WWF Mafia: Royal Rumble (GAME OVER)

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Having done a read through I still don't know what to make of anything. Doing another today and I'll post real thoughts tonight. if anyone wants to ask me questions or ask me to pay attention to something in particular let me know. Once I'm in the game I'll be fine

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Early on math was focused on iterating on other people's reads rather than engaging, developing and pushing his own. Is this standard Math meta? Because due to the vengeful nature of town I think there's lots of scum incentive to doing that.

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This setup also encourages with the delayed entrances but math was in early enough

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Gamma wagon is easy wagon filled with people who don't want town to think about things

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Game is also confirmed bastard and Kuroi is a troll

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So im not even trusting the no jester thing.

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Well maybe getting lynched isn't his wincon but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial.

In royal rumbles you sometimes get the spot where a big bad gets ganged up on and eliminated and then comes back in the ring mad and cleans house.

Maybe he is some sort of bomb that torches everyone on his wagonabd has a hidden partner that isn't voting for him.

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The guy is trying to get lynched.

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Why does Kuroi confirm no Jesters at the start of the game at all?

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Lots of things are bastard. Not all of them apart from Jesters can be in the game. I think the Gamma role is why we were told no Jesters. I think taking it to lynch would end poorly.

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VOTE: Mathblade

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If someone tells me there are no pink elephants in the game I am going to wonder why

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I claim pink elephant

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Seriously though. We were told that for a reason I think.

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I don't have the Gamma meta read that you have NC. I'm calling things as I see them within the game.

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If there were 2 maf teams I think there wouldn't be 1 nk a night rule. Also I know the mod likes putting SK in his games. Mod meta best meta

Yeah but how does 3+ teams, 1 nk work. Game takes forever.

Every townie is vengeful speeds up things as well. Probably other role factors in play

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So Chara. Am I correct on your position that Gamma doesn't benefit from being lynched at that Gamma claiming scum is AI of scum?

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So Gamma should be lynched? Gamma being lynched is a good thing?

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VOTE: Not Chara

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When you see it...

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It's super obvious dissonance. You'll get there.

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Well duh

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I think theres a lot of scum incentive to not be rocking the boat here. I also think there's a lot of scum incentive to support the gamma lynch without being on the wagon.

I'm not a complicated man.

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Why are you not on the wagon of someone who should 100% be lynched again?

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Fair enough.

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VOTE: Mathblade

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I don't want to lynch gamma

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He wants lynched and every townie is vengeful

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There are other ways to get him out of the ring. A mislynch will happen at some point.

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Like if he doesn't want to be lynched then why did he claim scum lol.

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I'm not trying to rush anything chick. I don't think we should lynch Gamma at all

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I'm not trying to rush anything chick. I don't think we should lynch Gamma at all

Seriously I don't know how you can come to the conclusion I am attempting to speed up a wagon I said shouldnt happen and is scum motivated unless you are consciously or unconsciously cherrypicking at surface level while ignoring the big picture

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Yes why?

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My issue with the Gamma lynch is that he is trying harder than anyone to make it happen

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We don't need to run the risk of probably

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There HAS to be a mislynch eventually. Then they venge gamma

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We can just scumhunt outside of Gamma and have a free also Gamma kill if we fuck it up

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How is that not a great deal

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Dodge. It turns any mislynch into a 1 for 1 trade with scum. How is that not good?

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Like, leaving scum alive, and defending scum only benefits you if you are scum. Gamma still gets access to a night kill. Guess what players he isnt killing? Oh right, his scymmatez and anyone defending him lol

No, I don't get what your reason is. Spell it out to me as if 8 was a first time player.

That kill happens regardless of if Gamma is alive or not. It's one unified night kill.

You know who wants to kill Gamma? Scum.

They get a lynch that isn't vengeful.
They increase the odds of them winning the Nk lottery

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Then why are you afraid of the kill?

Because scum wants it to happen including the guy getting lynched and there is a guaranteed way around this that's best for town.

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Survivalism is NAI but that is not what is driving me here.

We get a free target dummy for vengekills. We get to play around Gamma wanting to get lynched for free while also making the first venge kill a guarantee to hit scum

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Taking an unpopular stance on asking the town to reconsider a target that isn't me doesn't seem very focused on me not dying

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Dodge. If I am scum why do I want Gamma alive?

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How long do you think it's going to be before we mislynch? A day or two max right? is it worth taking this stand to not get nightkilled by someone who has only a chance of even getting the nightkill and probably won't see many more nights?

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Does that outweigh the benefits of having a better chance of getting the nightkill if im scum?

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RIP in peace Grey

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Gamma wagon is easy wagon filled with people who don't want town to think about things

I agree on the premise but disgree with the reasoning. I think it might be scums wanting to avoid being venged. The best way to do it is to lynch a non-town so we know they have no venge kill. (Watch everyone who jumps OFF that wagon after this post)

I think there can be more than one motivator here. I agree that that is one.

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I'm a bit lethargic and not up to date sorry
I don't like firescreamer's reaction to gamma's wagon

VOTE: gamma emerald

What don't you like about it?

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Scared why?

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Lol at resigning us to lynching town. Mislynches happen. Are wearing to perfectly lynch every non Gamma scum in the setup? Cool. I'm up for that plan too. Then once we run out we mislynch someone trying to find more, they venge gamma and we win the game.

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Saying Gamma needs to be lynched because hurr he's scum and scum should be lynched is so shortsighted. The gammawagon is likely scum driven

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Just look at the town and scum incentives and disincentives for a Gamma lynch. Think critically and outside the box.

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Gamma is not town. Towns win Con is to eliminate scum. Why are we really still debating this? I'm all for getting other things done today before we lynch gamma, but we're getting really hung up on this and not getting anything else done

Why lynch gamma today? It's free to look elsewhere. Either we lynch another scum who actually has a shot to win the game or we lynch a townie and they kill Gamma anyway.

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I love how my scumreads push me thinking kmd was dead as a slip. There's only one kpn. Mod confirmed. It's literally impossible for me to have submitted a kill on kmd.

I'd bet my bottom dollar Math and Chickadee are scum.
mastina I want to sort when she gets back.
Firescreamer needs to fight me about something.

Well right now I want Math lynched and don't want Gamma lynched. We will fite at some point but we ain't fighting on either of those

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I love how my scumreads push me thinking kmd was dead as a slip. There's only one kpn. Mod confirmed. It's literally impossible for me to have submitted a kill on kmd.

I'd bet my bottom dollar Math and Chickadee are scum.
mastina I want to sort when she gets back.
Firescreamer needs to fight me about something.

Well right now I want Math lynched and don't want Gamma lynched. We will fite at some point but we ain't fighting on either of those

You got any other reads?

Right now its mostly just scumreading people who disagree with me and townreading people who do. So I guess not really.

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Apart from Dodge. Even though we came to opposite conclusion on what to do about Gamma they are showing some flexability and I think they think what they think for reasons that are town to them.

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Why is having a designated whipping boy in the event of a mislynch a bad thing? I don't get it. Keeping gamma alive doesn't cost us anything.

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The game of mafia encourages a mislynch. It's a long hard game. Lets use our lynch trying to find scum that still have a chance to win the game. We get a free rebuy into a gamma kill if we get it wrong. It isn't a worse position than lynching Gamma today and being exactly nowhere tomorrow.

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Honestly I don't understand why Gamma hasn't been lynched yet. We have flipped scum and we'll have another by the end of today if we all would stop overthinking. I'm bored and I would rather scum hunt in a better game state and with more information.

Gamma wagon happens and he flips scum because of course he does. What new information can be gathered from that? We are not going to get more information by lynching gamma.

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The game of mafia encourages a mislynch. It's a long hard game. Lets use our lynch trying to find scum that still have a chance to win the game. We get a free rebuy into a gamma kill if we get it wrong. It isn't a worse position than lynching Gamma today and being exactly nowhere tomorrow.

I rather lynch Gamma now and worry about that later. Stop trying to next level.

Why would you rather?

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Gamma doesn't have a chance though.

Either we lynch scum perfectly every day sequentially till we run out of scum, then mislynch once and gama gets venged.

Or

At any point down the line we mislynch once and gamma gets venged.

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Describe to me how Gamma wins the game if we do things my way.

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There is one unified NK tywin. Gamma isnt likely to get it and even if he does we have no way of verifying if he is playing ball.

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Just cause I likely know what the answer is doesn't mean I can't check to see if YOU know what the answer is. There isn't a lot of harm in doing it. I was in the mood to hang around the thread for a while. I saw you and interacted with you. I saw something, poked at it and wanted to see if you would squirm.

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"I agree we should lynch Gamma today but don't need to do it right away and can still get other stuff done"

>Stays on Gamma
>doesn't try to make other stuff happen


I'm seeing this from a couple people, though I'm on the bus and can't be bothered looking at who till later tonight.

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I think that's the scummiest line anyone can take just now.

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Wait is that actually anyone's position? I think I accidently attributed that to Character which is totally not what it's doing.

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Real drunk hours who up

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What is it, like 3AM there?

2 now. Maybe one when I posted that.

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I'm drinking champagne boyz. The occasion bring I found where the person I'm staying with apparently keeps their champange

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Jiffy I checked your iso and I couldn't find an opinion on anything.

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What opinions should I be seeing? I've got an early Gamma position that you then reversed by voting Gamma. Anything else?

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Yeah fair enough Jiffy, I guess you havnt been any less committal than me.

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Tituuuuuuuus. I don't think you are town and I share a few of your reads, but I don't see Kmd. Can you walk me through it?

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I do think you are town

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I lost my train of thought half way through that and ended up fucking it up

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Who is scum apart from Gamma math!

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Who is scum apart from Gamma math!

He's said who already.

Who did he say?

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A. 500 batting average would get him into the hall of fame I guess

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I'm Tring titus

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Why ami superpower?

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Supertown

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I could lynch Chickadee

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Though imo lamist is nia

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The NK lottery is specified not town.

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Why do you assume scum? Why not vig?

Oh awk.

Why did you think vig was in the NK lottery?

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VOTE: Gerryoat

I can get behind a Gerry wagon

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Gerry thought a night vig would be part of the night lottery.

Post 1 clearly states "Each non-town player's name will be put into a hat"

BUT

The flipped scum role PMs say

"Each night, one name among all killing roles will take part in a lottery"

While its possible town Gerry forgot what was on page 1, in favour of the flipped PMs, I posit to you that its more likely he put more weight on the definition in the flipped scum PM's because he has one himself.

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Oh awk.

This is the post where he realizes he slipped

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Is Massive's "partner" still at large?

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Whose wagon do you get?

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Why do you assume scum? Why not vig?

Oh awk.

Why did you think vig was in the NK lottery?

Didn't read the fine print lol. I thought it was everyone who can kill was in a lottery

I wonder where you got an idea like that from

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Pretty sure the scum NK was talked about extensively yesterday with relation to gamma. As the scum NK, not the killing role NK.

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Because I was thinking to myself after I saw the Math flip 'Tywin is doing well, maybe he isn't scum'. Whereas Gerry is obviously scum for those keeping score.

Is it gloating? I'd believe it if you weren't also spending all day yesterday telling us how awesome your slot was for killing Bins.

If I don't flip scum will you self vote tomorrow? I don't care if you're town, i want you to look like an idiot. Say yes and I will self vote right now. Also I want people to lynch you tomorrow when I don't flip scum.

Note: Gerry doesn't think he is vengeful

lol this is indefensible

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This was really one you shoulda read the rules to Gerry

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You're so stupid. i know he's town, i'm not gonna veng him. i just want him to be lynched for being an idiot

???

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This is salty caught scum.

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So Gerry has

- Slipped, admitting he was defering to information in the scum role PM over information in the rules
- Possibly forgotten town could venge
- Said he wants a townread lynched
- Self voted

Pushing this to conclusion. Aware it he has implied i'd be his venge target, confident enough that he doesn't have one to see this out.

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Both A50 and Dodge are being particularly diplomatic with Gerry while trying to lynch him.

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I generally try to pull back the rhetoric when people start showing genuine emotions, yes. It is an out of game thing to me.

Fair enough. That's fair. You have to understand me reading it as lack of conviction, playing politics with the venge.

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Oh believe me, regardless of your alignment I think there's a lot of incentive to sheep someone elses push. Dodge was on you first. I joined but I brought something to the table in terms of reading you. I agree that theres incentive for scum to sheep me/dodge and use us as possible venge shields. But I do think what I saw was real, and your emotional reaction to it indicative of caught scum. It's hard to determine who shares my conclusion and to whom it is merely convenient for.

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Bret Hart irish whips Freddie Prinze Jr. into the ropes before grounding him with a hip toss. Circling round to the legs he takes the soft star and flips him over, crosses his legs and locks in the sharpshooter. Freddy screams "aahhhhhh, this is worse than the scooby doo movie". Powered by immense pain he slowly drags Bret on his stomach to the ropes and latches on, but of course there are no rope breaks in the royal rumble. But what's this?! Freddy isnt trying to rope break. He is trying to climb the ropes with only his arms, carrying Bret. First the bottom, painfully to the middle, agonisingly to the top. Bret is still locking in the now vertical sharpshooter. As Freddy reaches his apex, Bret suddenly lets go into a forward roll while Freddy tearfully launches himself over the top rope to stop the pain.

Bret rolls forward with perfect form, lowers his sunglasses over his eyes before stating "He ain't all that".

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wtb pep

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I don't have the heart to eliminate the last NPC. But somebody should if Kuroi is hinting at us to.

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After sleeping on it I an finding myself townreading Gerry's meltdown. I put it in town Gerry's range in a way I don't for anyone else here apart from maybe Momo. I like his reactions since he calmed down.

VOTE: Majiffy

Jiffy has done nothing, balked when I told him as much day 2, openly admits it day 3.

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What's the non math associative for the read Titus?

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Non math associative reasoning*

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Why was Matt Hardy part of this roster. Thats the biggest nod troll

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Mod

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Jiffy lynch>>Chickadee lynch>>>Tywin Lynch>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerry lynch.

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Feels like half the roster is playing this game and the other half is just staying in the nullzone to avoid lynches/venges.

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PV have you heard about our Lord and saviour Majiffy wagon?

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The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.

Wagons come and go, the big fish eat the little fish and I still want to

VOTE: Majiffy

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Would also lynch Mastina based on the huge scum advantages to lurking due to the mechanics of the game and lol 5 posts in 3 game days.

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I think 5 posts in 3 game days should be replaced if its just RL.

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I think scum is more likely to disengage from the game than town once an external pressure is applied.

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They don't need to care about lynches on anyone but them or thier partner (assuming universal 2 people teams). They don't need to look for answers.

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KMD has been modkilled

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I don't get why Mastina can't read the thread when its in night.

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VOTE: Mastina

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Well Mastina showed up.

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VOTE: Pepto

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Post

Could you tl;dr this?

"Mastina should be policied for the sake of our children and our children's children. Why won't you all please think of the children."

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Happily waiting for a pepto hammer