Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Scott and Ramona]

Hey guys

What's shaking?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I think Siblings is town for 38 but I'll keep reading.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

VOTE: RachMarie

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Gamma the links didn't work on my side so I'm posting new ones

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=71135 - Escape Room
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70899 - Gay Mafia
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70784 - Whtie Flag

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70415 - Civ
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71107 - DBZ
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71319 - NY 1900

Do you seriously think Gamma is actually going to read those games?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

LUV Gamma said he wanted to glance at meta.
I gave him meta.
-Ali

That's a lot of glancing to do

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

meh no hes being stubborn even if he is not being trolly and stubborn nero is town nero
UNVOTE:


will look at some others after dinner.

Where are you seeing stubborn in his ISO?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

His insistence that I am scum because I was in the last incarnation, he knows better than that each game is randomized independently. He did not assume everyone that voted for him was scum he focused on me, and generally speaking when we both are town he really really is so sure I am scumz.



PEDIT
@ Cerb
yeah we did push on you to be more active, but at first you were like ho hum gonna be lazy in the first few posts, and we are in the first few posts in THIS game. I was trying to figure out why the change around.

It seems like you're grossly exaggerating your interactions with him and the times he's mentioned you. He hasn't shown a dogged determination to not change his read on you so far in my opinion.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

We will build a wall

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

We will build a wall

- Scott

Is that South Park?

Yes!

Shame the creators recently deemed him too hard to satirize though

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

The better half has arrived, and I've read everything. But it's late, and I'm tired, so yea.

-Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Hi Chick

Heeey


~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Vote Kidamn and your slot will be tred by us today

even though luv was slightly scummy

.

Rude. Take it back.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Wall should be untouchable. This game could be 4000 pages long. Anyone that disturbs the commitment to the self-imposed post restriction should be PL'd or policy NK'd.

This. So much this.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

this is going to be worse than civ isn't it?

Nonsense!

Oh yeah

That's cause I'm mobile

mobile doggo? doggmobile > batmobile

General thoughts:
Gin and tonic is town for sure.
All this talk of town titus and, while I can definitely see it, I don't have a hard town on him.
Majiffy's catching up and then sudden disappearance was interesting. Like "hey guys I'm not lurking," and then a lurk. No read yet.
I feel like Rach's posts have been mainly designed to look like she is actively solving the game, while not saying much. The posts of substance asking RB/Titus why they town read each other and then a quick town read on Nero. Nevertheless, slight scum lean on her - subject to change.

Kidamn's posts are null at best, so I wouldn't mind a vote for now.

VOTE: KidAmn

Why are you voting for a null read over a scum read? Do you think he's actually going to feel any pressure after you just revealed why you're voting for him?

Oh yeah

That's cause I'm mobile

mobile doggo? doggmobile > batmobile

General thoughts:
Gin and tonic is town for sure.
All this talk of town titus and, while I can definitely see it, I don't have a hard town on him.
Majiffy's catching up and then sudden disappearance was interesting. Like "hey guys I'm not lurking," and then a lurk. No read yet.
I feel like Rach's posts have been mainly designed to look like she is actively solving the game, while not saying much. The posts of substance asking RB/Titus why they town read each other and then a quick town read on Nero. Nevertheless, slight scum lean on her - subject to change.

Kidamn's posts are null at best, so I wouldn't mind a vote for now.

VOTE: KidAmn

Why not vote RachMarie?

She's active enough where I can sort her eventually. If others agree with my post, then I'll gladly vote her. However, in a 32 player game, 1 vote is like a speck of cocaine in a great line.

Not really. This game has 32 players and any chance you can get to sort someone should be taken immediately.

VOTE: Not Fury

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

A vote is a vote. I replaced into a 48 player game where a lynch was managed in almost all day phases. The only failures were due to a split vote and Town deferring to a 3p's will so the 3p could win.

I suppose I should follow my heart.

VOTE: RachMarie

It's just a hunch though. I'm decently proud of my gut's accuracy, but it's been wrong a lot lately.

This doesn't match up with the confidence you exhibited earlier. I didn't get the impression that you've been scared to go with your gut and be confrontational recently.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

true there are others who do it, and it is still a pretty lame play.

it's just a way to show annoyance-its not all that dissimilar than OMGUS voting. Though fake dayvigging has more to do with annoyance than finding something scummy. It also has the added effect of scaring the shit out of newbs and you.

vote:Rach

It's actually corny.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

can't wait to read all of this.
shaping up to be a lovely spiritual successor to Civ mafia. :>

You weren't even in Civ

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

/hugs?

Is it too late for hugs? Did I miss out?

Wall is the best poster in the game. i've decided to dedicate myself to keeping them from being lynched, provided they don't drop the gimmick.

pedit:
VOTE: Not Fury

Long live Wall.

[Scott and Ramona]

/hugs?

Is it too late for hugs? Did I miss out?

Wall is the best poster in the game. i've decided to dedicate myself to keeping them from being lynched, provided they don't drop the gimmick.

pedit:
VOTE: Not Fury

Long live Wall.

Got so excited about hugs, I forgot to sign my poooost.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|I vote for|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|many reasons.|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|I do have some mild|___|___|___|
___|___|___|scumreads though.|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

Care to summarize what those scum reads are?

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

TRANSCEND'S OPINIONS (might throw what giga has to say in there too)


DanelerH - scummy

Randomidget - slightly scummy

Curious why you're scum reading these slots. Dan has 3 posts and Random has 2. What's pinging you? You had plenty of other people at null reads, so I'm genuinely curious why these two stand out.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|Meh.|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|Frog. You need to be a|___|___|___|
___|___|___|rock for me soon,|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|please!|___|___|___|___|
___|___|I don't want to poke the bear|___|__
_|___|___|but you're not being town|___|___|___|
___|___|af right now and it's scary.|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|


___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|VOTE: Scott & Ramona|___|___|
___|___|___|___|Hi LUV!|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|Can you talk at my face about|___|___|
___|___|where your reads are in general|___|__
_|___|___|and Chick's reads too?|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

I've been playing catch up throughout the day.
LUV also has some catching up to do.

We're talking about reads.


~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Spoiler:

Wall should be untouchable. This game could be 4000 pages long. Anyone that disturbs the commitment to the self-imposed post restriction should be PL'd or policy NK'd.

This. So much this.

- Scott

this is going to be worse than civ isn't it?

Nonsense!

Oh yeah

That's cause I'm mobile

mobile doggo? doggmobile > batmobile

General thoughts:
Gin and tonic is town for sure.
All this talk of town titus and, while I can definitely see it, I don't have a hard town on him.
Majiffy's catching up and then sudden disappearance was interesting. Like "hey guys I'm not lurking," and then a lurk. No read yet.
I feel like Rach's posts have been mainly designed to look like she is actively solving the game, while not saying much. The posts of substance asking RB/Titus why they town read each other and then a quick town read on Nero. Nevertheless, slight scum lean on her - subject to change.

Kidamn's posts are null at best, so I wouldn't mind a vote for now.

VOTE: KidAmn

Why are you voting for a null read over a scum read? Do you think he's actually going to feel any pressure after you just revealed why you're voting for him?

Oh yeah

That's cause I'm mobile

mobile doggo? doggmobile > batmobile

General thoughts:
Gin and tonic is town for sure.
All this talk of town titus and, while I can definitely see it, I don't have a hard town on him.
Majiffy's catching up and then sudden disappearance was interesting. Like "hey guys I'm not lurking," and then a lurk. No read yet.
I feel like Rach's posts have been mainly designed to look like she is actively solving the game, while not saying much. The posts of substance asking RB/Titus why they town read each other and then a quick town read on Nero. Nevertheless, slight scum lean on her - subject to change.

Kidamn's posts are null at best, so I wouldn't mind a vote for now.

VOTE: KidAmn

Why not vote RachMarie?

She's active enough where I can sort her eventually. If others agree with my post, then I'll gladly vote her. However, in a 32 player game, 1 vote is like a speck of cocaine in a great line.

Not really. This game has 32 players and any chance you can get to sort someone should be taken immediately.

VOTE: Not Fury

- Scott

didnt like these posts/the flip from rach to not fury. makes me think their reads were disingenuous. liked their early posting though so i would put them as a smidge of a townlean (barely above null)

My scum read on Rach was and still is very much sincere. However, it isn't a particularly strong one. I didn't see how she found Nero's play early on serious considering his entrance, the way he asked if it's okay if we can permanently ban Not Fury, and how he posted a terrible Justin Timberlake song in response to SQ saying that he is the only one that should be policy lynched. I didn't really like her quick reversal on him either. She called the interaction and the times he mentioned her stubborn but they read more to me like annoyance than anything. I also didn't like her focus on Wall's gimmick but combined with the lack of a real response regarding her questions about who his or her main is, I can see how a player might be irritated by it, as crazy as that might sound.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Interesting. Also, I was unaware that I've been spam posting this game. Sorry for asking for your read on Rach.

Why did you apologize for asking? Frogger took issue with something that can't be helped.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

kid, ge, and gin for example

___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|AKA: My LHF scumlist!|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

NO

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

These are my reads Narna isn't here to sync with.

Right now thinking Gamma, Kid,Twinn, Not Chara, Dave all scum.

Doggo I am leaving to Narna to read and he is waffling.
After 1900 surpremely unqualified to read Transcend.

Rach Marie and Not Fury RB Titus Cerb townreads.

Reasons in a sec phone posting.
If I didn't mention you I don't have a read on you yet.

-- The Mathy One

Why are you scum reading Dave and Not Chara?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|Meh.|___|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|Frog. You need to be a|___|___|___|
___|___|___|rock for me soon,|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|please!|___|___|___|___|
___|___|I don't want to poke the bear|___|__
_|___|___|but you're not being town|___|___|___|
___|___|af right now and it's scary.|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|


___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|VOTE: Scott & Ramona|___|___|
___|___|___|___|Hi LUV!|___|___|___|___|__
_|___|Can you talk at my face about|___|___|
___|___|where your reads are in general|___|__
_|___|___|and Chick's reads too?|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

Sure, it's been a struggle, but we're hanging in there

Scott:
{Not Fury, Rach, Smith, Socrates,}

Ramona:
{Daneler, Not Fury, Rach, Socrates}

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

If you guys didn't pick up my crumb earlier, I am a cop

Nope, my role is not a cop. Why the fuck would a cop crumb so obviously? Indeed, my role is rather worthless, so look elsewhere.

If you think I'm trying to trick you, then night kill me or lynch me.

Why are you pointing out your own crumbs? Again, this is a very large game. You're nowhere close to L-1 so there was no reason to claim.

I can't tell if you're scum who wants to be sure they can coast off of a claim or bad town.

UNVOTE:

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Nope, my role is not a cop. Why the fuck would a cop crumb so obviously? Indeed, my role is rather worthless, so look elsewhere.

If you think I'm trying to trick you, then night kill me or lynch me.

So you decided to create unnecessary wine in front me because?

VOTE: Not Fury

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Who wants me to sheep them?

What happened to that post you said you were writing?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Hey LUV you rolled scum didn't you?

That Not Fury vote just feels like you plopping a vote down. I don't see the reasons behind your vote at all, and certainly no fire to lynch NF.

-Ribbit

Alisae get to you man?

I'm voting for Not Fury because I didn't like their hesitation to vote Rach earlier. I decided that my vote is best kept on her because of the unnecessary wine in front of me she created. It read like she decide to take the "crumb" that Gamma pointed out and ran with it but when Wall, arguably the most town read slot in the game said that he can see why people would dislike her, quickly retracted because of suspicion that her gambit wouldn't work.

[Scott and Ramona]

Hey LUV you rolled scum didn't you?

That Not Fury vote just feels like you plopping a vote down. I don't see the reasons behind your vote at all, and certainly no fire to lynch NF.

-Ribbit

Alisae get to you man?

I'm voting for Not Fury because I didn't like their hesitation to vote Rach earlier. I decided that my vote is best kept on her because of the unnecessary wine in front of me she created. It read like she decide to take the "crumb" that Gamma pointed out and ran with it but when Wall, arguably the most town read slot in the game said that he can see why people would dislike her, quickly retracted because of suspicion that her gambit wouldn't work.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Interesting. Also, I was unaware that I've been spam posting this game. Sorry for asking for your read on Rach.

Why did you apologize for asking? Frogger took issue with something that can't be helped.

- Scott

How does asking this help you sort NF's alignment?

-Ribbit

It helps me understand her logic. You find her annoying. I'm trying to understand why she felt the need to apologize over something that she can't really control.

[Scott and Ramona]

Interesting. Also, I was unaware that I've been spam posting this game. Sorry for asking for your read on Rach.

Why did you apologize for asking? Frogger took issue with something that can't be helped.

- Scott

How does asking this help you sort NF's alignment?

-Ribbit

It helps me understand her logic. You find her annoying. I'm trying to understand why she felt the need to apologize over something that she can't really control.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Posting on mobile sometimes can be a pain..

@Not Fury So what was your play before? Suddenly trying to draw a night kill rather than just continuing to scum hunt seems a bit odd considering how widely scum read you've been. Why did you think simply a claim would make you first priority for scum?

Talk to me more about Majiffy. At a glance it seems like you aren't liking his play style and not really taking motivation into account with him.

@Smith: Seems pretty self-explanatory...

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Hey LUV you rolled scum didn't you?

That Not Fury vote just feels like you plopping a vote down. I don't see the reasons behind your vote at all, and certainly no fire to lynch NF.

-Ribbit

Alisae get to you man?

I'm voting for Not Fury because I didn't like their hesitation to vote Rach earlier. I decided that my vote is best kept on her because of the unnecessary wine in front of me she created. It read like she decide to take the "crumb" that Gamma pointed out and ran with it but when Wall, arguably the most town read slot in the game said that he can see why people would dislike her, quickly retracted because of suspicion that her gambit wouldn't work.

I don't like this appeal to the other head of my hydra.

And voting someone for WIFOM is a complete cop out reason.

If you didn't like their hesitation earlier on Rach, then why did you end up unvoting them and then re-voting them?

-Ribbit

I'm not appealing to anything. I'm just confused as to whether this is your read or Alisae's read.

I unvoted and then revoted because they claimed cop and then shortly after said they weren't..

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

- Scott

Stop

You're bordering on spam with this shit

Replace out then.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

It helps me understand her logic. You find her annoying. I'm trying to understand why she felt the need to apologize over something that she can't really control.

Yet you're not interested in following up on this

-Ribbit

I never question hound people so I'm not sure what you're getting at here

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

spoiler=Smith's post to Scott]

If you guys didn't pick up my crumb earlier, I am a cop

Nope, my role is not a cop. Why the fuck would a cop crumb so obviously? Indeed, my role is rather worthless, so look elsewhere.

If you think I'm trying to trick you, then night kill me or lynch me.

Why are you pointing out your own crumbs? Again, this is a very large game. You're nowhere close to L-1 so there was no reason to claim.

I can't tell if you're scum who wants to be sure they can coast off of a claim or bad town.

UNVOTE:

- Scott

Nope, my role is not a cop. Why the fuck would a cop crumb so obviously? Indeed, my role is rather worthless, so look elsewhere.

If you think I'm trying to trick you, then night kill me or lynch me.

So you decided to create unnecessary wine in front me because?

VOTE: Not Fury

- Scott

Talk about this unvote and revote in span of less than 60 seconds? That seems weird and posturey; what's the point of it? What were you going for? What in 998 made you specifically want to unvote, and then specifically want to revote?

[/spoiler]

Scott's response

@Smith: Seems pretty self-explanatory...

I call bullshit

VOTE: Scott and Ramona

-Ribbit


pedit: don't call for people to replace out. That's not needed.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I unvoted and then revoted because they claimed cop and then shortly after said they weren't..

And you believed the original claim which made you unvote?

Come on

Fake posturing

-Ribbit

Are you even reading? I even said I wasn't sure when I unvoted. I don't see the way they retracted their claimed as bad town.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I unvoted and then revoted because they claimed cop and then shortly after said they weren't..

And you believed the original claim which made you unvote?

Come on

Fake posturing

-Ribbit

Are you even reading? I even said I wasn't sure when I unvoted. I don't see the way they retracted their claim as bad town.

- Scott

EBWOP.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Oh and Scott, I apologized for the game they are all salty about because it was a bad game. Still though, it was a single game that my behavior was mostly due to because of so many obv townies (in my eyes) scum reading me for idiotic reasons. I won't talk about that game anymore, but that was my thought process you sought to understand. I'd rather not have 3 people hate me from the start this game and ignore my reads. That will just hurt town.

Ah. Fair.

I want to dwell on this response and your push on Majiffy a bit more with Ramona.

@NF: What majiffy does as scum, if that's what he's doing here (possible), is very very good. He's not trying to make you TR him. That's not what its about at all, so you can't judge it that way. He's making you not have a voice, so nobody else cares that you SR him.

Look at it from a strategic perspective rather than him disliking you outside of the game and you'll see how good he actually is. Idk if he's scum or not, and gamma is the sure bet imo, but there's nothing bad about majiffy's scum game. It's quite good.

He clearly is intimidated to resort to ad hominem after my scum reading him in 2 posts. Don't think I haven't noticed. My gender may be female, but I'm not a little bitch

My first interactions with you were asking you to elaborate on your statements that seemingly took unfounded logical leaps.

You're the one who took that and started running with personal attacks.

- Scott

Stop

You're bordering on spam with this shit

Replace out then.

- Scott

I

should replace out because

you're

partaking in anti-town behavior?

Mate.

Yeah. Site meta is a thing and you signed up for a game with 32 players. This should've been expected.

@Smith: Seems pretty self-explanatory...

It does? Then you could explain it easily? Like, I see what you'd said at the time, but it's really weird that you'd flip you $0.02 in basically zero time, so yeah would like more on that thanks.

I just explained this to SQ..

It helps me understand her logic. You find her annoying. I'm trying to understand why she felt the need to apologize over something that she can't really control.

Yet you're not interested in following up on this

-Ribbit

I never question hound people so I'm not sure what you're getting at here

- Scott

This is such BS.

You asked them a question. You said it was to help understand their logic. yet you're not interested in following up on it.

That means you don't actually care, and you're playing it off as "I don't question hound"

-Ribbit

You can literally pull up any of my games. I never follow up on most questions as either alignment. I make note of a question being unanswered and move on.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I don't see the way they retracted their claimed as bad town.

Why not?

(in fact, why couldn't it even be good town)

-Ribbit

I don't see it as bad town due to word choice. The frustration there felt a little fake and didn't really come from someone who hadn't seriously taken the time to reevaluate why people might have issues with how she claimed.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Yeah. Site meta is a thing and you signed up for a game with 32 players. This should've been expected.

The mod explicitly sent a message out to everyone requesting the spam be limited so that this game doesn't suffer the same fate most larges have been suffering.

I think it's reasonable to expect the players would respect the mod's requests and also recognize that

spamming the game to the point where the majority of players replace out from sheer frustration and inability to keep up is inherently anti-town and should be weened away.

You have no argument here.

And the mod should know that wasn't going to be taken seriously considering how familiar he's with some of the player list.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

@Wall: Yeah I saw that post, I want to run it by my hydra partner first to avoid dissonance. I liked Not Fury's answer to my question relating Frogger though.

@Frogger: The cursing and the bit about whether or not if people think she's trying to trick them. Both felt forced.

@Majiffy: Yeah basically. And I'm not encouraging anyone to spam, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise there is going to be some spamming and trying to regulate it does no one any good.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

@Majiffy: Yeah basically. And I'm not encouraging anyone to spam, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise there is going to be some spamming and trying to regulate it does no one any good.

How does telling people not to spam not do anyone any good?

It's very simple: just don't fuckin' do it. Just don't. Really that easy.

And then the thread doesn't get bloated. Then townies don't replace out. Then town doesn't lose moral and allow scum to just coast to victory like in GM III

It literally does town lots and lots of good and there's no valid argument you can put forth against that.

It does no one any good because you're under the assumption that people are going to listen to you when they either have no read on you or scum read you. Even if they town read you, people aren't always going to compromise just for you. We have players in this game that like to post a lot and often, some of that posting contains shit posting and spam.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I want to run it by my hydra partner first to avoid dissonance.

This sounds so self-conscious

who gives a shit about a bit of dissonance. It's to be expect in a hydra.

-Ribbit

Bad hydras you mean.

I told Chi before the game I do not want to end up like The DEO.

[Scott and Ramona]

I want to run it by my hydra partner first to avoid dissonance.

This sounds so self-conscious

who gives a shit about a bit of dissonance. It's to be expect in a hydra.

-Ribbit

Bad hydras you mean.

I told Chi before the game I do not want to end up like The DEO.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Bad hydras you mean.

I told Chi before the game I do not want to end up like The DEO.

DEO has nothing to do with this

some hydra dissonance is expected. In ANY hydra. People don't have the same reads sometimes.

I don't have the same read on Nero as Ali. It doesn't mean we're a bad hydra

Again...this is way too self conscious

-Ribbit

There is nothing overly aware about wanting to go over a read with my partner...

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

@Majiffy: Yeah basically. And I'm not encouraging anyone to spam, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise there is going to be some spamming and trying to regulate it does no one any good.

How does telling people not to spam not do anyone any good?

It's very simple: just don't fuckin' do it. Just don't. Really that easy.

And then the thread doesn't get bloated. Then townies don't replace out. Then town doesn't lose moral and allow scum to just coast to victory like in GM III

It literally does town lots and lots of good and there's no valid argument you can put forth against that.

It does no one any good because you're under the assumption that people are going to listen to you when they either have no read on you or scum read you. Even if they town read you, people aren't always going to compromise just for you. We have players in this game that like to post a lot and often, some of that posting contains shit posting and spam.
Dude we only have 51 posts and counting..

- Scott

- Scott

The read on my slot should be irrelevant to the fact that

IT LITERALLY IS PROVABLE TO BE ANTI-TOWN AND A BAD FUCKING IDEA

But hey maybe you're right and if you're going to keep insisting on spamming the fucking game then I'm fucking done, too.

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry. Was excited to play, love Cowboy Bebop, but I'm not playing another game with players that shit up the thread 100 pages per day phase.

[Scott and Ramona]

@Majiffy: Yeah basically. And I'm not encouraging anyone to spam, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise there is going to be some spamming and trying to regulate it does no one any good.

How does telling people not to spam not do anyone any good?

It's very simple: just don't fuckin' do it. Just don't. Really that easy.

And then the thread doesn't get bloated. Then townies don't replace out. Then town doesn't lose moral and allow scum to just coast to victory like in GM III

It literally does town lots and lots of good and there's no valid argument you can put forth against that.

It does no one any good because you're under the assumption that people are going to listen to you when they either have no read on you or scum read you. Even if they town read you, people aren't always going to compromise just for you. We have players in this game that like to post a lot and often, some of that posting contains shit posting and spam.

- Scott

The read on my slot should be irrelevant to the fact that

IT LITERALLY IS PROVABLE TO BE ANTI-TOWN AND A BAD FUCKING IDEA

But hey maybe you're right and if you're going to keep insisting on spamming the fucking game then I'm fucking done, too.

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry. Was excited to play, love Cowboy Bebop, but I'm not playing another game with players that shit up the thread 100 pages per day phase.

Dude we only have 51 posts and counting..

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

There is nothing overly aware about wanting to go over a read with my partner...

No, but saying "to avoid hydra dissonance" is scummy as hell. It's way to self aware. There's no need to point out you're going over a read to avoid dissonance. None. Just say you'll talk about it with someone.

Specifically talking over reads to avoid dissonance is just concern with how you appear.

-Ribbit

Each his own then

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Spoiler:

@Majiffy: Yeah basically. And I'm not encouraging anyone to spam, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise there is going to be some spamming and trying to regulate it does no one any good.

How does telling people not to spam not do anyone any good?

It's very simple: just don't fuckin' do it. Just don't. Really that easy.

And then the thread doesn't get bloated. Then townies don't replace out. Then town doesn't lose moral and allow scum to just coast to victory like in GM III

It literally does town lots and lots of good and there's no valid argument you can put forth against that.

It does no one any good because you're under the assumption that people are going to listen to you when they either have no read on you or scum read you. Even if they town read you, people aren't always going to compromise just for you. We have players in this game that like to post a lot and often, some of that posting contains shit posting and spam.
Dude we only have 51 posts and counting..

- Scott

- Scott

The read on my slot should be irrelevant to the fact that

IT LITERALLY IS PROVABLE TO BE ANTI-TOWN AND A BAD FUCKING IDEA

But hey maybe you're right and if you're going to keep insisting on spamming the fucking game then I'm fucking done, too.

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry. Was excited to play, love Cowboy Bebop, but I'm not playing another game with players that shit up the thread 100 pages per day phase.

There is literally NO point to this post other than just being a general dick.

@Mod -- can you tell Scott to stop quoting posts and then just putting the word Scott

Yeah you're tunneled man

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|Cause this isn't how LUV|___|___|_
_|___|___|plays as town? Frogger is|___|___|
___|___|also making specific points|___|___|_
_|___|___|so I don't really get the|___|___|
___|___|___|point of your question.|___|___|_
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

Spoiler: |___|___|___|

Cause this isn't how LUV plays as town? Frogger is also making specific points so I don't really get the point of your question.

How do I play? I'm one of the hardest people to read on this site so I'd like to hear this one

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|You don't sound like you did|___|_
_|___| in Civ/in general convo at all.|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_

___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_
_|___|___| Also, your angles are|___|___|___|
___|___|___|really really shit so far.|___|___|_
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

You were scum in Civ, you weren't trying to read me there..

Why have they been shit?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I've also mentioned quite a bit in site chat specifically that Civ is an outlier. I trolled quite a bit after the middle of Day 2 which is why I had over 2000 posts.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|I can get a grasp of someone's|___|___|_
_|tone from playing with them as scum.|___|
___|___|Your NF vote is garbage.|___|___|_
_|___|And you not giving me shit for|___|
___|___|calling it garbage is bad too.|___|_
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

Spoiler: |___|___|___|

I can get a grasp of someone's tone from playing with them as scum. Your NF vote is garbage. And you not givingme shit for calling it garbage is bad too.

Not with that game as an example, especially after you subbed in way after Day 2. What part of outlier do you not understand, Wall?

Why is my vote garbage?

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|I can get a grasp of someone's|___|___|_
_|tone from playing with them as scum.|___|
___|___|Your NF vote is garbage.|___|___|_
_|___|And you not giving me shit for|___|
___|___|calling it garbage is bad too.|___|_
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

Spoiler: |___|___|___|

I can get a grasp of someone's tone from playing with them as scum. Your NF vote is garbage. And you not givingme shit for calling it garbage is bad too.

Not with that game as an example, especially after you subbed in way after Day 2. What part of outlier do you not understand, Wall?

Why is my vote garbage?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Don't bother to sign a post if it's going to take up another. In the end, your slot has the same role.

I will continue to do so until the mod tells me to stop.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

UNVOTE:

After discussing things quite a bit with Ramona this morning, she has convinced me for now that I'm being silly and letting my stubbornness get the best of me. She has beat it in to me that Not Fury is probably telling the truth and that no one would claim a role like that without thinking of a CC. I failed to acknowledge that a cop claim there really made no sense there because it could've potentially have caused the real one to CC. She also thinks that Not Fury claimed because she was emotional compromised.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

My post is shaping up to be rather large: would you prefer I split it or leave it as one? Asking the general public here.

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|For the love of God make it just|__
_|___|___|___|one post..|___|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

I will continue to do so until the mod tells me to stop.

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|We could lynch you?|___||___|__
_|___|Being pointlessly abrasive|___|
___|___|is a good way to get a |___|__
_|___| wagon on you started. |___|___|_
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

Not with that game as an example, especially after you subbed in way after Day 2. What part of outlier do you not understand, Wall?

Why is my vote garbage?

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|The more you keep using|___|__
_|___|this first point, the more it|___|
___| makes me feel like you're just |__
_|___|___|___|scum :/.|___|___|___|___|_
___|___|Your tone in this game is|___|__
_|___|a limp noodle so far, and you|___|
___|openly admitted in Civ that you|___|__
_|can't replicate your tone as scum.|___|
___|___|You're not posting like I |___|__
_|___|expect Luv to post ANYWHERE on|___|
___|___|site, let alone Civ.|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|You're pushing Not Fury|___|__
_|___|on a gimmicky point and |___|___|
___|___|ignoring that their play|___|__
_|___|around that point is pretty|___|
___|___|unlikely to be coming from|___|__
_|___|___|___|scum here.|___|___|___|
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Spoiler: |___|___|___|

My post is shaping up to be rather large: would you prefer I split it or leave it as one? Asking the general public here.

For the love of God make it just one post..

I will continue to do so until the mod tells me to stop.

We could lynch you? Being pointlessly abrasive is a good way to get a wagon on you started.

Not with that game as an example, especially after you subbed in way after Day 2. What part of outlier do you not understand, Wall?

Why is my vote garbage?

The more you keep using this first point, the more it makes me feel like you're just scum :/.
Your tone this game is a limp noodle, and you openly admitted in Civ that you can't replicate your tone as scum. You're not posting like I expect LUV to post ANYWHERE on the site, let alone Civ.

You're pushing Not Fury on a gimmicky point and ignoring that their play around that point is pretty unlikely to be coming from scum here.

Go right ahead? I mean this is how I know you don't know my game because that post is how I am. Me being pointlessly abrasive was how I treated Yuri in Civ.

The first point is valid because I have tons of other games on this site and most people would agree with me when I say the game you're constantly referring to is an outlier. Also, where did I say that about my scum game? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

There's nothing gimmicky on what I was pushing Not Fury on. It's interesting though because you can argue it's how I caught one of your partners in Civ. What she did falls under the realm of a dumb tell in my opinion.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|Scott, who is scum if you're|___|__
_|___|___|feeling better about|___|___|
___|___|___| Not Fury? |___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

Spoiler: |___|___|___|

Scott, who is scum if you're feeling better about Not Fury?

None of the rest of my scum reads look like they have a chance of going through. Ramona mentioned that I should really look into Gamma. She didn't like how focused he was on the back and forth between Kid and Rach.

My problem with Gamma is that I always misread him. I think I just have to accept that it's not me, but more of his play style. It's just scummy.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Okay, I know this read is strictly all you now.

I don't play like you Frog. I don't yell for someone to be lynched. The only time I do anything remotely similar is when I'm in a don't give a fuck mode and just spam someone is scum but that hasn't crossed my mind this game because I haven't had a scum read thar strong. I either state my reasoning or I just constantly get into it with my scum reads in hopes town comes to their sense. I expect things that make sense to me to make sense to other people rather quickly and I don't care if people see them right away because I dislike playing town.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Also stop the over reliance on meta. I only have 1 completed game with you Frog in which you didn't even get to post in because the werewolves decided to killed you when you replaced in during the night. Same goes to you Wall, we only have 1 completed game together, one that I've constantly mentioned elsewhere is not indicative of how I play. There are only 3 people on this site who I can say can read me well.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Also stop the over reliance on meta. I only have 1 completed game with you Frog in which you didn't even get to post in because the werewolves decided to killed you when you replaced in during the night. Same goes to you Wall, we only have 1 completed game together, one that I've constantly mentioned elsewhere is not indicative of how I play. There are only 3 people on this site who I can say can read me well.

- Scott

Relying on meta?

My read on you has NOTHING to do with meta. I haven't brought up meta once

you're making shit up now

-Ribbit

You just said wouldn't town me, as in town Uzi..

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

You just said wouldn't town me, as in town Uzi..

As I would expect almost EVERY town player to do

I'd expect the vast majority of town who is getting their read of NF discredited to either push that read harder and CONVINCE us of why they had that read, or push on the people pushing against his read

-Ribbit

Yeah that's not how I play. I'm also not going to reiterate what I already explained since I thought it was pretty self-explanatory

Alisae can tell you that.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

What do you think of Scott/Ramona

their townread of you was dumb and yeah i kinda agree that luv's posting rubs me the wrong way

and ok great i'm sorry your hydra partner is obvscum

wall i will get to u

You guys never asked why I town read the post..

Why does my posting rub you the wrong way?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Does anyone have links for the heads of S and R (town and scum) I have only played one game and that was recent with Luv and as far as I know that is the only game I have played with hm.


Umm Math in Gitsou you were my archenemy and scumz you tortured my gf and were the grand poobah for the red scum team IIRC

Anyways just finished a game recently same one that Luv was in with Dav and I thought he was scumz and was off base so not quite willing to jump on him as scum just cause hes lurking in a game with several hyperposters.

Scott: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lil_Uzi_Vert

Ramona doesn't have any completed town games on site. At least not that I know of. I do however have a scum game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=71424

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Nope, this is the only time you mentioned it.

Fuck this shit

Could lynch luv for the bad tr on siblings for a bad post.

Can someone just get Hot Chocolate'd already

Me and Ramona talked briefly about this in the PT but we shrugged it off as Transcend just being Transcend.

Anyway I town read 38 because of how Alisae reacted to Nero. I found his reaction genuine because two of his closest friends in that game, one being Jae, said quite a bit how he was feeling down about the game and while Nero was right on a few of his reads there, I can see Alisae getting that frustrated because Nero's play was arugably just as toxic and contributed to the mess that it was.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

How am I not scumhunting. I just crushed LUV. I've cased Gamma. I've pointed out problems with KidAmn and A50

It's like you're not reading

-Ribbit

You didn't crush shit. You're tunneled town who can't read me

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Uzi doesn't liek me Q.Q

Nonsense!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

These are my reads Narna isn't here to sync with.

Right now thinking Gamma, Kid,Twinn, Not Chara, Dave all scum.

Doggo I am leaving to Narna to read and he is waffling.
After 1900 surpremely unqualified to read Transcend.

Rach Marie and Not Fury RB Titus Cerb townreads.

Reasons in a sec phone posting.
If I didn't mention you I don't have a read on you yet.

-- The Mathy One

Why are you scum reading Dave and Not Chara?

- Scott

Davesaz is because he would be considered lurking even in a normal game. He has much fewer posts than in games and that is generally how Davesaz plays scum by coasting. I haven't misread him since Gistou but at the same time this means he has a much more active head I want to go after. He would only be this quiet if he could be.

Not Chara is based on what Narna and I feel are inconsistencies regarding Undertale and here. I don't have time to go too indepth right now.

Furthermore I see a lot of words from you that are not about Gamma and Tywinn. Do you townread them? Do you scumread them? Why? I would want Gamma today. Tywinn however would not be bad. I have Shadowrun today people. Will catch up on anything after this post later.

--Math

Oh forgot about this.

I town read Ty because he's been butting heads and being very confrontational with the shit posting crowd and he just seems like he's in one of those typical conformation bias tunnels in regards to Gamma. I also don't see scum working that hard to lynch Gamma.

I'm reviewing Gamma now because of my tendency to always misread him.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Who wants me to sheep them?

Hi

Are you caught up? I'm thinking about voting A50.

Only in the most nominal of senses. My eyes have technically passed over all the words in this thread, yet I retain nothing and every page that passes I feel like I somehow have fewer thoughts than I had previously.

To add to that, if this IS multiball like people are assuming, then my only real experience with multiball tells me that I won't be able to build constructive, worthwhile reads until we get one scumflip and can start sorting people into groups.

I threw this post out hoping someone would engage with me and help me get into this game. It seems to have failed in the context.

The only real observations I can cling to at the moment is that LUV wasn't a belligerant ass the one time I saw him play town, (NOR a spammer!?)

and Siblings_Quarrel is super fucking town here and I find people's continued insistence that they aren't doing anything but playing defense to be completely nonsensical.

I'm going to place my vote with my heart for now.

VOTE: Scott and Ramona

We all have our moments of being a belligerent ass. From what I can tell, people only scum read our slot over a dispute LUV had with Jiffy, and some hydra dissonance.

Other people have been way more spammy, the only difference is that our (what, 3 or 4?) posts that were quoted to sign his name, resulted in an argument.

And we're being called out for town reading a slot that half the people here seem to town read anyway? (SQ) That's ridiculous, and you all know it.


Please don'y policy lynch us, we love you all! <3


Now let's all step up our game, stop spamming, and stop dominating pages. The biggest reason LUV has been here posting instead of me so often is because I get off work or have a free moment and have to play catch up on a million pages. Let's be good to our mod who has been so gracious as to run this for us.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Off the top of my head, Frogger has been shoving his face down S&R's throat and then named 4 people they scumread, and, as a testiment to how hard I am finding it to keep up with this game, jumped on someone else and moved their vote there in a way that I liked yet cannot recall the context. They have been playing defense, but there is a key difference between doing nothing but self-protection and responding to all comers while still playing the game. I feel they are clearly doing the latter.

This is a good point, and one I totally agree with. I think they've done a great job at trying to engage other players while playing defense.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Frogger hasn't been laying down anything. He's pushing me because I wasn't pushing back people questioning my read on Not Fury as well as thinking I'm too self-conscious because I want to avoid hydra dissonance. He had no rebuttal when I told him to pull up my games or ask Alisae that I'm not that kind of player that yells for who I want to get lynched. He's clearly tunneled after asking the mod for me to stop correcting posts that contrary to the popular belief, aren't spam.

Wall who is also Cheet makes his meta read on me even more puzzling.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

These are my reads. I sorted them by how they were formed.

Spoiler: Reads I had before making the list

1) Not Fury is a solid town read, I doubt he'd retract the way he did as scum.
2) Hiraki is town because his analysis looks genuine. He acknowledges he generally finds me scummy but doesn't use that as a reason to townread me.
3) Tywin is misrepping me and is is pushing Insomniacs over total bullshit.
4) rb is obvtown
5) Titus is obvtown
6) KidAmn is town with a mouth, I've talked about this
7) Idrc about sorting Wall since I'm not lynching him anytime soon. So Townread just for the record
8) S&R doesn't seem like scum due to the inexplicable wagon that formed on them
9) Cerberus kinda feels scummy. I feel like he's trying to discourage Town forming a solid block of townreads by calling the townhunting rolefishing. I also dislike his decision to follow random without question. I get the sense he's setting up random for any blame for shitty lynches

Spoiler: Reads I had to develop for the list

1) Socrates reads as town, he looks to be working with people and trying to sort for real
2) randomidget seems kinda towny. His reads seem a little sheepy but he looks to be putting serious thought in. Also I doubt random is scum with Cerberus
3) Majiffy slot seems like town, I'm not sure how to read him, does anyone know?
4) Almost50 is kinda Town, but I think he needs to take harder stances.
5) Not Chara seems to be towny, looks mindful in their votes
6) smith feels a bit scummy, didn't like him voting SQ for mod metaing
7) I don't think RachMarie is scum since her scum game in In Memory involved a lot of buddying.
8) Carnelian hasn't posted much yet but I get light town feels from their posts and I've been told they don't claim Miller as scum.
9) Master Vampire is a bit of a townread, I can see what they are saying about my ISO.
10) Nero feels like town, normally I see shitty pushes from him as scum but I'm not seeing any here.
11) SlySly seems to be scum riding the Tywin v me conflict.
12) Gin is town because he looks to not be actively sorting and helping Town. I also like his questioning of me and my reads.
13) Insomniacs could swing either way, but is leaning town right now.
14) Ramcius has a healthy dose of skepticism, not trusting the rb/Titus town team. I can get behind this since I've been that guy before, the one not letting the status quo get in the way of sorting out the game. rb was in the game that I'm referring to and his response to my skepticism was in my sig for a while. It's on my wiki page if you want to see it.

Spoiler: Reads I had to update due to being formed in an earlier state

1) I'm not a fan of how SQ keeps tunneling me, but I haven't seen anything to really suggest scum. Also the speed of the early wagon suggests they are not teamed.
2) Doggo has not pushed a single person I haven't thought of as town in this list. Reading as scum currently.

Dave, Dan, Tarkus, PeregrineV, Shiro, and ZZZX have not posted enough for me to read them.

Could you explain Gin, Master, and Sly a bit more? How is Gin not looking to actively sort people and help town make him town? If that's a typo, I have to disagree with you on Gin there. He's been too focused on Rach's earlier suspicion of Nero. I don't recall him really being interested in much of anything else. Master Vampire hasn't really done much but question Frogger's push on me which is NAI really. I haven't seen much of Sly but I only recall him just making a big catch-up post and not really mentioning you since so I don't see how that's riding. He hasn't been as present to really say he's been mindlessly pushing that or vote parking. I don't see how you can call him out for coasting or riding and not Carnelian who claimed miller and is still voting for you I believe.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

One minor phenommina that I did see in multi ball was the designated mislynch getting double teamed by both scum teams. Both sides dogpile, then see the others players (of another alignment) dog piling on as well and it seems like this weird consensus forming out of the blue, but it's really something much sillier. Have we had a number of wagons like that in this game?

VCA isn't really my thing but I'm going to say no. The only major wagons we've had are Not Fury and SQ and they weren't even that big considering the size of this game.

Do you feel like you have found your voice since the last time we played, Uzi?

Yeah. I'd like to think I've found a style of play that works for me and improved greatly since then.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I have no idea what I meant to say but the Gin read is totally typoed out. I'll try to figure out what I meant there in a bit. I think I was typing something, had another thought, and wrote that thought and it just ended up messed up.
Master Vampire doesn't really seem to have scum motivation to their posts, plus as I said I can understand his scumread of me.
The post where SlySly did the coin flip is what I'm basing my scumread on. Not only is voting based on RNG banned, it reads as scum who doesn't care which slot between me and Tywin gets lynched.
As for Carnelian, I'm used to that player lurking. I don't see how voting me is supposed to be an issue.

Do you really think he determined his vote based on a coin flip? I think he thinks you two are teamed based on I guess how you've been responding to Ty? I think he was just having some fun with the players he feels are obvious scum by taunting them with the picture of an iPad that contains some sort of coin flipping app.

The thing with Carnelian for me in relation to you is that I just don't see how you are more concerned with Sly's vote when her vote can be easily labeled the same thing. I don't see Yume pulling the miller stunt as scum for the record but I just don't like how selective these reads feel.

One minor phenommina that I did see in multi ball was the designated mislynch getting double teamed by both scum teams. Both sides dogpile, then see the others players (of another alignment) dog piling on as well and it seems like this weird consensus forming out of the blue, but it's really something much sillier. Have we had a number of wagons like that in this game?

I'll let YOU figure THAT out.

One minor phenommina that I did see in multi ball was the designated mislynch getting double teamed by both scum teams. Both sides dogpile, then see the others players (of another alignment) dog piling on as well and it seems like this weird consensus forming out of the blue, but it's really something much sillier. Have we had a number of wagons like that in this game?

VCA isn't really my thing but I'm going to say no. The only major wagons we've had are Not Fury and SQ and they weren't even that big considering the size of this game.

- Scott

Missing something are we?

Not according to the mod's ISO? I know you've been voted but I don't know how large your wagon has gotten or currently is.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I have no idea what I meant to say but the Gin read is totally typoed out. I'll try to figure out what I meant there in a bit. I think I was typing something, had another thought, and wrote that thought and it just ended up messed up.
Master Vampire doesn't really seem to have scum motivation to their posts, plus as I said I can understand his scumread of me.
The post where SlySly did the coin flip is what I'm basing my scumread on. Not only is voting based on RNG banned, it reads as scum who doesn't care which slot between me and Tywin gets lynched.
As for Carnelian, I'm used to that player lurking. I don't see how voting me is supposed to be an issue.

Do you really think he determined his vote based on a coin flip? I think he thinks you two are teamed based on I guess how you've been responding to Ty? I think he was just having some fun with the players he feels are obvious scum by taunting them with the picture of an iPad that contains some sort of coin flipping app.

The thing with Carnelian for me in relation to you is that I just don't see how you are more concerned with Sly's vote when her vote can be easily labeled the same thing. I don't see Yume pulling the miller stunt as scum for the record but I just don't like how selective these reads feel.

Carnelian's vote was RVS. How is that being selective?

One minor phenommina that I did see in multi ball was the designated mislynch getting double teamed by both scum teams. Both sides dogpile, then see the others players (of another alignment) dog piling on as well and it seems like this weird consensus forming out of the blue, but it's really something much sillier. Have we had a number of wagons like that in this game?

I'll let YOU figure THAT out.

One minor phenommina that I did see in multi ball was the designated mislynch getting double teamed by both scum teams. Both sides dogpile, then see the others players (of another alignment) dog piling on as well and it seems like this weird consensus forming out of the blue, but it's really something much sillier. Have we had a number of wagons like that in this game?

VCA isn't really my thing but I'm going to say no. The only major wagons we've had are Not Fury and SQ and they weren't even that big considering the size of this game.

- Scott

Missing something are we?

Not according to the mod's ISO? I know you've been voted but I don't know how large your wagon has gotten or currently is.

- Scott

It's gotten large, I can tell you that.

Yeah, however she has a post long after RVS and didn't unvote. I think that can be considered riding since you were receiving a bit suspicion during that point.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Now that you mentioned Wall and Rach interactions it reminded me of Wall saying he would spoiler his posts for Rach. I didn't consider it much at the time but now when I think of Gork slipping that he is wall it made me think a thought.

????

He acknowledges he generally finds me scummy but doesn't use that as a reason to townread me.

Just so we're clear, I said that because I currently still think you are scummy.

I hate 1391 because it's really nonchalant. Also there are no scumreads outside of:

Smith: who has posted like maybe a max of 10 times
Slysly: who I think just about everyone has called a mixture of scummy and dodgy

I could be just flat out wrong here but TRing this many people is detrimental to the game state.

Ha nice try.
Slysly is obvTown. Saying everyone is a huge stretch.

This is a 32 player game. As much as I hate it a town block will happen.

--Math

How much experience do you have with Sly? I rarely found from the games I've played with him that he comes off as obvious town on Day 1. What are we missing?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Let Socrates catch up pls

Why Socrates specifically? Why not try to encourage everyone to allow every single low-content poster to catch-up?

3 people have requested replacements.
Theres 32 players in this game.

The majority of people who have replaced out reasons are "I can't keep up".
I don't know how I can stress this point enough without becoming annoying about it.

Game has had like 50 posts in last 24 hours.

In a 32 player game. Like the rate of posting isn't even 2 posts per player per day since your last mention - the fuck more do you want, lmao.

The problem here isn't overactivity if people STILL can't keep up.

personally i just stopped read most posts, just waiting end of day

problem is 60 pages, not 80 posts in last day, people don't want read all that spam

There has hardly been any spam and anyone who has complained to the mods about not being able to catch-up needs to speak up now or make their way to the exit. This honestly shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

RB

About Kid -- It isn't Kid's dislike of us that is the issue. Transcend dropped the whole "Math sucks" bit after RVS ended. The Doggo hydra is at least providing content and interacting with the thread. The problem with Kid is the majority of his ISO is filled with attacking me rather than anything substantive.

About Tywinn -- When Narna and I were catching up, he pointed out Tywinn's entrance was horrible as well as some of his vote interactions around Doggo. As for me, I was pinged by 870. He doesn't interact with anyone's concerns and just says "late game player". Eddie did the same thing in 1900 and was scum. Saying "late game player" makes me look at you closer and the slots you're mentioning. This made me look at A50 and Not Chara closer in depth. While I don't have a firm A50 read either way, Not Chara is likely scum. I don't like how he also says "Gamma is obviously scum" but at the same time says that scum can't be lynched. A lot of his posts rub me entirely the wrong way. Why do you townread Tywinn?

About SlySly --

Silence spell cast received

-- Why did you ask me for silence on the topic then make post 1498?

About Davesaz -- When Dave is town, he asks a lot of clarification questions. Take Elemental Trinity for example, he asked a lot of questions to try to understand reads. In Gistou, where I was scum with him on in a 42 player game, he stalled and asked questions that let other people talk. It looks more of the same thing here to me. I have a rule of thumb for Dave. If he asks Why you say something he's town. If he says Why is something AI/NAI or other questions about theory/getting you to talk more posts he's scum.

Vampire Master -- They're a nullread I could do if I had to. I much prefer Gamma or Tywinn though.

--Math

I don't understand the Sly bit. What's going on there? I kind of like your Dave meta read however. I'll do some quick digging later on to see if it's valid but it sounds believable and almost as accurate as tells for players like ThinkBig.

VOTE: SLYSLY

LETS GO GO GO

HE WAS OBVTOWN IN SURREPTITIOUS

HE IS NOT OBVTOWN NOW

IN FACT I KINDA FOS HIM

~T

Sly wasn't obvious town in Superstitious. You were also scum in that game

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

QUESTION FOR ALL:

If you're not voting SlySly, why the fuck not?

You know, I'm not actually sure. I just think the guy is someone you approach with a wait and see mindset. I really don't think he'll give a fuck about being wagoned.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

SQ is obvtown.

Are you caught up or even aware that you're being wagoned right now? This post feels really weird in context because SQ weren't even in the subject of conversation.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

SQ is obvtown.

Are you caught up or even aware that you're being wagoned right now? This post feels really weird in context because SQ weren't even the subject of conversation.

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

Ok, this is where we're at right now:

Gamma Emerald (L-9): Carnelian, Insomniacs, Master Vampire, SlySly, Siblings Quarrel, Randomidget, Hikari, Nero
Cerberus v666 (L-16) : Tarkus
Master Vampire (L-16): DanelerH
Tarkus (L-16): PeregrineV,
Scott and Ramona (L-15): Socrates, Almost50
Tywin Lannister (L-16): Ramcius,
SlySly (L-5): Chairman Doggo, Not Chara, Gamma, Not Fury, RachMarie, Wall, Davesaz, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Tywin Lannister, Titus, rb, Scott and Ramona,



Not Voting (8): Shiro, Majiffy, ZZZX, Kidamn, Cerebrus v666, Mhsmith0,

With 32 players alive it takes 17 votes to lynch.


We've had some disagreement about the Gamma wagon, but we're both ok with the Sly wagon. Sly's read on SQ sounds fake.

VOTE: SlySly


~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Oh wait I just noticed why you townread rb.
rb, why you pretendin to be me?
-Ali

It's a long story

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

@Scott: I agree with doggo that scum can read someone as genuinely obvtown, since I'VE DONE IT. Hogwarts Mafia, I felt Keyser Soze was obvtown. I was scum there.

Yeah I don't get that. As scum you're not really reading people, you're just reading how they react to you.

I also think it's pretty obvious why Sly would tr SQ here...

-Narna

Not really.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

vote smith

thanks

smith

is

scum

okay, there's 2 options here

1. lynch mhsmith
2. lynch mhsmith

Ramona's not seeing what I'm seeing there but I'd follow if she was and actually felt we could get support. He's continued to ping me.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Ok, this is where we're at right now:

Gamma Emerald (L-9): Carnelian, Insomniacs, Master Vampire, SlySly, Siblings Quarrel, Randomidget, Hikari, Nero
Cerberus v666 (L-16) : Tarkus
Master Vampire (L-16): DanelerH
Tarkus (L-16): PeregrineV,
Scott and Ramona (L-15): Socrates, Almost50
Tywin Lannister (L-16): Ramcius,
SlySly (L-5): Chairman Doggo, Not Chara, Gamma, Not Fury, RachMarie, Wall, Davesaz, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Tywin Lannister, Titus, rb, Scott and Ramona,



Not Voting (8): Shiro, Majiffy, ZZZX, Kidamn, Cerebrus v666, Mhsmith0,

With 32 players alive it takes 17 votes to lynch.


We've had some disagreement about the Gamma wagon, but we're both ok with the Sly wagon. Sly's read on SQ sounds fake.

VOTE: SlySly


~Ramona[//quote]

SlySly wagon is Terribad.

There was universal agreement to end the day. Gamma was the majority wagon then a SlySly wagon emerges led by my scumreads and Tywinn abandons the Gamma wagon for it? Wtf. Catching up on specific posts now.

--Matg

She's talking about in our PT.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Carnelian is probably scum guys.

Nah. I was teamed with Yume as scum in one of my first scum games here and she wouldn't dare try that miller stunt. She's also not a player I really want to focus on until Day 3 due to her health problems.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Ok, this is where we're at right now:

Gamma Emerald (L-9): Carnelian, Insomniacs, Master Vampire, SlySly, Siblings Quarrel, Randomidget, Hikari, Nero
Cerberus v666 (L-16) : Tarkus
Master Vampire (L-16): DanelerH
Tarkus (L-16): PeregrineV,
Scott and Ramona (L-15): Socrates, Almost50
Tywin Lannister (L-16): Ramcius,
SlySly (L-5): Chairman Doggo, Not Chara, Gamma, Not Fury, RachMarie, Wall, Davesaz, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Tywin Lannister, Titus, rb, Scott and Ramona,



Not Voting (8): Shiro, Majiffy, ZZZX, Kidamn, Cerebrus v666, Mhsmith0,

With 32 players alive it takes 17 votes to lynch.


We've had some disagreement about the Gamma wagon, but we're both ok with the Sly wagon. Sly's read on SQ sounds fake.

VOTE: SlySly


~Ramona[//quote]

SlySly wagon is Terribad.

There was universal agreement to end the day. Gamma was the majority wagon then a SlySly wagon emerges led by my scumreads and Tywinn abandons the Gamma wagon for it? Wtf. Catching up on specific posts now.

--Matg

She's talking about in our PT.

- Scott

I don't have a PT with you and I am not a she.

--Math

Me and Ramona's hydra PT

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Carnelian is probably scum guys.

Nah. I was teamed with Yume as scum in one of my first scum games here and she wouldn't dare try that miller stunt. She's also not a player I really want to focus on until Day 3 due to her health problems.

- Scott

Health problems? Does she need a vla?

I am just assuming from what I read in the WoTC thread.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Seeing I can catch up no matter what lets do it this way:

1- If anyone has something they want me to look at @ZZZX and I will check it
2- I will ISO some players (titus comes to mind f.e I think I can read her)

probably will never catch up to this games pace so fuck it.

ISO Gin too.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Would you still be town reading Sly if you never played with him before and without the crumbs, Insomniacs?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|Lurker lynching on D1|___|__
_|___|is fine. Making artificial|___|
___|___|resistance to a lurker|___|__
_|___|wagon on a large D1 is not.|___|
___|___|If you think SlySly is|___|__
_|___|town, then push that. I'm|___|
___|___|planning on diving the|___|__
_|___|games you linked when I get|___|
___|___|home tonight. Instead of|___|__
_|___|just saying "DONT LYNCH DONT|___|
___|___|LYNCH" over and over and over|___|__
_|___|ACTUALLY PUSH YOUR POINTS. K?|___|
___|___|Otherwise you're making|___|__
_|___|noise for literally no fucking|___|
___|___|___|___|reason.|___|___|___|__
_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|

I have been stating points:

1) SlySly did Town catchups.
2) SlySly crumbed something.
3) The wagon speed and timing is utter crap.
4) Because he is only pushed for being a lurker.

--Math

He only had one catch-up. Why is that catch-up more likely to come town than scum? He's also not being pushed for lurking.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I have a feeling I know what you're referring to Math about the crumb thing however if you can't say what age range the character you think he is, I'm more inclined to believe you're stretching here.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

We've had some back and forth over Gamma, but because of some of the people on the Gamma wagon, we're ok with that being the lynch today. We're waiting on the VC, but consider this intent to hammer. We'd like a claim.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Read the thread:
@Scott
I posted a Town versus scum catch-up of SlySly's.
Why do you think SlySly is being wagoned? All I see is Doggo posting "I FoS SlySly" and sheeping.

@Wall
Wall what do you think I am doing?

--Math

@Scott
I found a reference to an episode. Hei sui is ALL I will say on that.

I have and I think scum can fake the way they catch-up in games as town easily.

Doggo has stated that the reason they scum read Sly is for quality, not quantity. This is why I sort of asked you to picture a world where you're unfamiliar with his meta and saw no crumbs.

As for the crumb, I buy what you're saying now but when I originally read that post, I thought he was using Kevin Hart's thing. If you ever watched him stand-up, you'll know what I'm taking about. What do you think of his actual catch-up post though? There is something in that post that I thought you were referring to if you want to continue talking about crumbs.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Claiming now
I am a Vigilante. I have the ability to kill at night or day, but the dayvig is one shot. I have infinite night uses.
When I checked my flavor it said that my character was a bad shot so I had to check the rules to see if they were bastard, since if they were I'd expect to be a blank vig.

I believe this for now. If you're planning on shooting today or tonight, please don't have anyone direct your shot.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Can you shoot SlySly gamma after he claims flavor if not on my list?

Certainly.

First of all no.
Second of all Gamma is scum.
Third of all Frozen experiments with weird power combinations.
Fourth I feel like my head is hitting a brick wall.

--Math

Gamma's town. Claiming what he claimed as scum there is suicide since whether he can actually shoot during the day or not can be tested. I also don't think weird power combinations means that FA doesn't know how to balance. Even with how large this game is, I still don't see scum having a vigilante on their side that can shoot during the day.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I believe I've seen a scum "dayvig" before. I don't think the role confirms alignment, even if true, especially in this flavor.
Not saying it's likely to be scum, just stating the obvious that you can't be sure it's town.

Where have you seen it before? It doesn't strike me as something that has been seen recently by a majority of people. It sounds more like myth than anything, kind of like jester.

just have gamma take the shot then we can discuss his alignment later

----------->

This pretty much.

Gamma can kill me and I flip Town and y'all realize I was a threat to scum.

Or Gamma is lying

OR Gamma shoots Tywinn.

That is what I prefer.

Obviously haven't talked about this with Narna.

--Math

Gamma shooting you would not accomplish anything. You're letting confirmation bias eat you alive again.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

mhsmith0
Shiro*
Carnelian*
Insomniacs (Narna+Mathblade)
Not Fury
Master Vampire (Nosferatu+BTD6_Maker)
Socrates
Gamma Emerald
Chairman doggo (Transcend + giga)
Siblings Quarrel (Fro99er and Alisae)
SlySly

Doggo and SQ? Carnelian and Shiro? Why are you considering them? This reads like such a lazily thrown together list. You haven't even pushed half of the people on here.

- Scott.

[Scott and Ramona]

nero cain or cerberus my dude

would actually love some more nero pressure imo

I'm down for a cerb wagon, self-vote at literally L-15 because "I don't want to argue with this" is sketchy af

not so sure about nero, but thats cause I've ignored him this whole game cause I can't stand the smurfs

I'm down with Cerb because while I get that he could be speaking from experience, it read more like a lot of jumping through hoops and stretching to come to that conclusion that Gamma is trying to pulling of an insane gambit. However, I think his frustration he expressed towards Titus is genuine. It reminded me of his post game commentary on Civ and how he trashed how terrible town played and that scum really didn't play all that well.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Spoiler: Phoenix Wright

He didn't role claim.

--Math

Your honor the court presents evidence Nero is not posting and Tywinn is not posting.
Therefore Gamma's excuse is not valid.

Gamma also did not get a role claim out of Nero.

We present to your honor that Gamma is likely scum whether that vig is real or not.

--Math

And as scum I have vigged scum so it is literally immaterial to Gamma's alignment what Nero is. I scumread Nero but Shooting that illprepared after screaming Tywinn scum is bad.

His flavor sort of implies vanilla..

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Someone drew a gun out and shot Nero Cain!

(will provide better flavor later)

Nero Cain ; Mao Yenrai ; Godfather Rolecop aligned with the Syndicate

Spoiler: Nero Cain ROLE PM

Mao Yenrai Godfather Rolecop Aligned with Red Dragon Syndicate Godfather: If anyone investigate you, they will find you as a member of Town (Bounty Hunters). Rolecop: Each night, you may investigate the abilities of a player in game. Factional Kill: Your faction has a night kill. You as a member of the syndicate who has a gun, will be able to do this killing as well. Factional Chat: You can talk with the other members of the syndicate at any time in here . You will win if the red dragon syndicate controls 50% of the votes or more and no other type of scum (Enemy of Town) are alive.

Holy shit, savage!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

VOTE: SlySly

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Claiming now
I am a Vigilante. I have the ability to kill at night or day, but the dayvig is one shot. I have infinite night uses.
When I checked my flavor it said that my character was a bad shot so I had to check the rules to see if they were bastard, since if they were I'd expect to be a blank vig.

I believe this for now. If you're planning on shooting today or tonight, please don't have anyone direct your shot.

- Scott

Only reason I'm not considering this a 100% fake as fuck scum claim is fire hasn't updated the OP yet. As it is...

I don't see scum being able to shoot during the day, that just feels grossly overpowered. Someone threw out that this is probably multi-ball too and Nero's win condition confirms that I think so town either has enough power to compensate or this game isn't balanced.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Actually look at the time stamps. That is a RIDICULOUS amount of content to be generating live in a two minute span. Seems like a posturing "I totally didn't see the scum shot" bit; only question I have is what's even the point of doing that.

I just resume where I left off and then open like 10 browsers of that same page and just go really.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Actually look at the time stamps. That is a RIDICULOUS amount of content to be generating live in a two minute span. Seems like a posturing "I totally didn't see the scum shot" bit; only question I have is what's even the point of doing that.

I just resume where I left off and then open like 10 browsers of that same page and just go really.

- Scott

So you churned out all that content in the span of two minutes? Or you prepped the posts beforehand and then hit them all at once? If the latter, at what point were you actually aware of the shot being taken?

I left off around page 80. I quoted some posts, typed what I wanted to say, and then went to the next browser and continued reading. After I finished catching up, I posted it all at once. I saw no need to edit out anything before the shot was taken or Nero's alignment was revealed because laziness.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Also while I do like jumping in conversations, I always make sure I know what has happened before I do. I hate to reread and if I can prevent doing so as much as possible, I will. I don't like constantly posting in the midst of a catch-up because it just disrupts the flow of whatever is currently going on at the time.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

So basically you're like "yeah shitting up the thread with stuff that I KNOW is obsolete is fun"?? Does anyone know LUV well enough to say if this is actually normal for him? It seems completely ridiculous to me (especially in a game where "lets not shit up the thread" has been explicitly discussed), but maybe this is just a LUV thing and I shouldn't actually read into it?

I never called it fun, it's what I do. I become a bit ineffective if I don't do it. I also didn't even shit up the thread just now, it was like about 7-8 posts so I'm not sure what you're getting at really. All of it isn't even irrelevant, since there has been some scum reads on Cerberus expressed, Gamma's alignment is still being questioned, and Sly is still alive.

- Scott.

[Scott and Ramona]

So basically you're like "yeah shitting up the thread with stuff that I KNOW is obsolete is fun"?? Does anyone know LUV well enough to say if this is actually normal for him? It seems completely ridiculous to me (especially in a game where "lets not shit up the thread" has been explicitly discussed), but maybe this is just a LUV thing and I shouldn't actually read into it?

I never called it fun, it's what I do. I become a bit ineffective if I don't do it. I also didn't even shit up the thread just now, it was like about 7-8 posts so I'm not sure what you're getting at really. All of it isn't even irrelevant, since there has been some scum reads on Cerberus expressed, Gamma's alignment is still being questioned, and Sly is still alive.

- Scott.

2384, 2385, 2387, 2389 are totally useless knowing Nero shot and flip. 2390 reads kinda fake too if the whole thing was planned out and thought on instead of being off the cuff. Which is why I asked around whether there's anyone who knows you well enough to say "yeah that's just LUV being LUV, don't worry about it", since it COULD be just a sketchy play style issue,

I didn't know however..

I don't see how 2384 and irrelevant 2385 when Gamma's alignment is still being questioned. I'll give you the last tow however, but pointing out that Nero's fake claim implied vanilla is sort of a hammer it in home thing in general with Math that I try to do in games where I play with them.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

So basically you're like "yeah shitting up the thread with stuff that I KNOW is obsolete is fun"?? Does anyone know LUV well enough to say if this is actually normal for him? It seems completely ridiculous to me (especially in a game where "lets not shit up the thread" has been explicitly discussed), but maybe this is just a LUV thing and I shouldn't actually read into it?

I never called it fun, it's what I do. I become a bit ineffective if I don't do it. I also didn't even shit up the thread just now, it was like about 7-8 posts so I'm not sure what you're getting at really. All of it isn't even irrelevant, since there has been some scum reads on Cerberus expressed, Gamma's alignment is still being questioned, and Sly is still alive.

- Scott.

2384, 2385, 2387, 2389 are totally useless knowing Nero shot and flip. 2390 reads kinda fake too if the whole thing was planned out and thought on instead of being off the cuff. Which is why I asked around whether there's anyone who knows you well enough to say "yeah that's just LUV being LUV, don't worry about it", since it COULD be just a sketchy play style issue,

I didn't know however..

I don't see how 2384 and 2385 are irrelevant when Gamma's alignment is still being questioned. I'll give you the last two however, but pointing out that Nero's fake claim implied vanilla is sort of a hammer it in home thing in general with Math that I try to do in games where I play with them.

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean when you submitted you DID know the flip right? Like, I can see how you might type them out not knowing, but it's a conscious choice to hit send (it's also kinda weird to not even look forward to see if he DID take the shot just as a natural thought process but I guess I can concede people just don't think like I do and not worry super much onnthat specific issue). 2384 mainly is directing the already taken shot, and 2385 is obsolete given that both his claim and his shot basically clear him (if hes scum then opposing scum shoot him anyway). Neither has any real use once the flip happened, much less flip and later discussion.

No I just spammed submit on ever tab.

It seems like the issue you're having with me is that you find my catch-up useless overall. If so, why not find a way for me provide content that will help you better sort me by asking for my thoughts on a specific post or a player?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean when you submitted you DID know the flip right? Like, I can see how you might type them out not knowing, but it's a conscious choice to hit send (it's also kinda weird to not even look forward to see if he DID take the shot just as a natural thought process but I guess I can concede people just don't think like I do and not worry super much onnthat specific issue). 2384 mainly is directing the already taken shot, and 2385 is obsolete given that both his claim and his shot basically clear him (if hes scum then opposing scum shoot him anyway). Neither has any real use once the flip happened, much less flip and later discussion.

No I just spammed submit on ever tab.

It seems like the issue you're having with me is that you find my catch-up useless overall. If so, why not find a way for me provide content that will help you better sort me by asking for my thoughts on a specific post or a player?

- Scott

Well I found it fake, so I was asking if anyone knew you well enough to comment on wherhte that actually means anything for you in partuclar or not. Which is in fact a way to help sort you, presuming anyone knows you well enough to take that on. I guess if you have anyone in mind who knows you well that might help?

Not really.

This is just how I catch-up.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Can you link to a similar situation, where you dumped a bunch if catch-up stuff that was obsolete after a key event happened, from a similar town game?

This is oddly specific and I'm not going to try to find out I have. However, I clicked a random game of mine and I did a catch-up just like I did here. Read from 75 on.

viewtopic.php?t=70148&f=52&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Can you link to a similar situation, where you dumped a bunch if catch-up stuff that was obsolete after a key event happened, from a similar town game?

This is oddly specific and I'm not going to try to find out if I have. However, I clicked a random game of mine and I did a catch-up just like I did here. Read from 75 on.

viewtopic.php?t=70148&f=52&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

Macadamia?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|
___|___|Hi Nos, who is scum |___|__
_|___|___|that isn't SlySly?|___|___|
___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|__

I was thinking gamma but that nero flip makes me uncertain of that.
SQ is still a scumspect of mine along with Cerb, but that's about it off the top of my head.
~nos

Y'all do know Titus has semi-cleared SQ right?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Can someone give us the reasoning behind MV other than meta?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Yo scott, I just did ya hear fam?

Huh? The first post is them challenging the strength of the meta read Frogger has on them and the second is who they suspect. Scum reading SQ still weirds me out but I'd like to hear their reasoning.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Yo scott, I just did ya hear fam?

Huh? The first post is them challenging the strength of the meta read Frogger has on them and the second is who they suspect. Scum reading SQ still weirds me out but I'd like to hear their reasoning.

- Scott

I already pointed out the posts I didn't like.

I'd honestly like for frogger to find a single game where he actually found me as scum D1, especially cause I've literally never had a scum game with him.

Are you talking about me and Frogger's little spat? I read that as more tunneled town than scummy.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Cerb, who do you instead propose we lynch?

You're being annoying, end the fucking day and don't even suggest moving somewhere else.

This frustration seems a little unwarranted.

Not Fury was the first one to point out how Sly is probably Nero's partner and just screamed for the day to end shortly before reiterating what lead her believe that Sly is teamed with Nero.

Spoiler: SLY posts with scum hunting

SlySly - Wall is cool and all and I certainly am delighted by his persona and have said so.

but why are your only real contributions to the thread about this persona?

After happy hour and wine later, reading Wall made me envision him dreaming about Wall posts for months and being in meetings at work thinking of ways to top his own greatness. It's a self imposed flogging. It's still making me laugh.

My first post about Not Fury was a real contribution. One word, pineapples.

well your tywin vote was junk and your 750 was even more junk

like how fucking hard can you reach bro that was terrible

as much as i need to lynch scums, but if you think "he's obv town, cause he complains for 30 pages to read" is a pro town play, it's your right, but your reads are much more reachy than mine

I was in Timeshifters and I agree with Ram. Tywin's signature scum bloating is hard to miss. When Tywin posts more than 2 lines, I immediately ignore.

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I read my predecessor before joining games to make sure I have a clean slate but nice try

This sounds like fear of exposing your true scum self.

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and you just admitted that your reads were reachy too

This sounds like you're admitting yours are.

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Nachos and wine = mighty fine!

Remember that time we did laundry with nacho and had wine

-Ribbit

It is unforgettable!

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Because I'm a deeply introspective special child.

An Innocent Child? Andrius, is that you?!

Pedit 2: oh u Rach. Oh. U. I'm about as coachable as Tim Tebow

Nope, not Andrius. I invited him. He said he was too busy, I was hoping he lied and was incognito.

Hmmm, there is that Wall.

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THIS GAME IS VERY FLAVOUR INTENSIVE, ITS IMPORTANT

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Wow, you completely ignored the quoted text and did more defensive stuff. Everyone else here thinks I'm shit though, so fuck it. What's the biggest wagon?

VOTE: Gamma

Sorry for trying.

Gamma v Tywin is striking me as a Greyhound Lines commercial

They are voting each other. Both have been throwing votes around to see what sticks.

Ram's on Tywim, Not Fury's on Gamma. I have TR on Ram and NF.

I'm good with either of these.

Gamma
Tywin

Heads = Gamma
Tails = Tywin



VOTE: Gamma

I see some complaining about my post count. Just a little update about the life of Sly for the uninformed.

I'm a single dad.
I have 2 kids, 1 has autism.
I have a full time job.
I have a gf and we go do stuff.
This weekend, I had company. I have a date tomorrow and more company is coming Tuesday.

This game is a 32 player game that is expected to be a post explosion game, and it has been, but I've actually been in games that were moving faster than this one. I have read the entire game. I have not reviewed what I have read, nor have I iso'd anyone. When I'm reading, the things people I'm familiar with stand out to me more than those I'm not familiar with. Then there's hydra's with people I've played with, but I don't realize it's them until the game gets rolling. Then we have the incognito player(s), i.e. The Wall. And there's PerV. Has he even posted? He always seems to be invisible until around D4.

I haven't reviewed those jumping on to my wagon and why yet, but at the moment, these are the closest things I have to reads.

Obvtown: SQ
Probtown: Not Fury, Ram
Scum: Gamma, Tywin

You're literally saying sly because some random person picked them for not being able to keep out with the level of activity. STOP IT.

SLY SLY has taken concrete stances on things. Are you actually going to interact with those stances or are you just going to say "HERP HERP NOT POSTING ENOUGH". Because lynching someone because they have a life is atrocious.

-- Math

Math, it really feels like you're stretching here. None of the stances you describe here as concrete don't look like they have any depth to them. Where is the scum hunting? There are zero attempts to really probe.

Also, why haven't you gotten back to me on our crumbs conversation?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

End the damn day already. Sly is lurking scum. Should've made him claim days ago. It's D1 and people are posturing for a claim that never comes?

Why should he have claimed days ago? He has been nowhere near L-1 up until just recently.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I get the feeling that Rach is Nero's designated bus target.

Vote: RachMarie

This feels a bit disconnected and quite a reach. Could you walk us through how you came to this conclusion? I see scum that was agitated that they were being called out early, not a blueprint to bus a partner down the road.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I get the feeling that Rach is Nero's designated bus target.

Vote: RachMarie

Why is this?

Look at Nero's iso.

He has to have more interaction with her than any other player, and I'm pretty certain he has played with almost everyone here.

If he was buddying, he would pick a more active player.

Rach has been fairly active.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Just putting this game in my ego and clarifying that any concerns about setup deign should be directed at me not Fire bringer.

He is your mod so you should clarify everything with him

but I can assure there is a logical - in game explanation for every single event of game like all of my previous games and that this is not bastard so no mod lies.

GL and HF everyone

(I got permissions from mod to post this)

FA is free!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I can read Alisae pretty decently and I don't think he opted to cop Ty last night, especially after Nero flipped scum. Frogger seemed like he was leading the hydra and his scum reads were a bit different from Alisae's. I'm thinking Kid, Majiffy's slot, or Master Vampire.

I think speculating is a waste of time though.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I guess I should eat crow here. although I still don't understand how Slysly was scummy or how anyone found anything in those 14 posts scummy.

Why are you making it seem like 14 posts isn't substantial? Or that the content of his posts were similar to Carnelian or Shiro's?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

what happened to tywin case?

Doesn't someone have a cop inno on Tywin or did I misunderstand that.

I guess I should eat crow here. although I still don't understand how Slysly was scummy or how anyone found anything in those 14 posts scummy.

Why are you making it seem like 14 posts isn't substantial? Or that the content of his posts were similar to Carnelian or Shiro's?

- Scott

The 14 posts Slysly made weren't substantial to me at all and he had even less than that before hand my big worry is that it was a huge bus and the mafia have super op roles that the ninja was the least op role they had

I disagree. His reads were enough to feel pretty confidenent in his alignment alone when you take into account the context in which he presented them.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

@luv,
wheres your head at right now?
whos scum?

@maria,
reset if you need to, but you should probably put this game on higher priority.

Still don't really like Gin or Smith.

Shrio's latest post was a simple prod dodge but something about it pings. Mainly the congratulating.

Ramona has mentioned wanting to scour flipped scum's ISO before going on her with today so hopefully we find more there. Nero was pretty sloppy with his hop off Sly.

- Scott

And I slipped

[Scott and Ramona]

Has there ever been a PR that can give a player a modifier? Seems kind of broken.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

If I'm understanding correct Vax, you think someone made Dave loud?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

For me, loud just seems bastard to give to scum. There are not many roles I can think of where it be worth the drawback. Silencer maybe?

The real question obviously is why did Dave target SQ. I think it might have something to do with not buying the PGO and protection. Dave doesn't seem the gambiting type though.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

For me, loud just seems bastard to give to scum. There are not many roles I can think of where it be worth the drawback. Silencer maybe?

The real question obviously is why did Dave target SQ. I think it might have something to do with not buying the PGO claim and protection. Dave doesn't seem the gambiting type though.

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

Still don't really like Gin

can you talk to me about what your expectations are of scumGin after civ?
do you have any other experience with him otherwise?
also, some general words on your read here would be neat. like. what about him is rubbing you the wrong way if it isnt meta-based at all?

Gin came and went for me in Civ. All I remember is him getting mad about something and leaning town on him for it. I don't have much experience with him outside of that game.

1394 mainly.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Shrio's latest post was a simple prod dodge but something about it pings. Mainly the congratulating.

Why would I need to prod dodge when I am on V/LA till the 20th?

It was just a happy little gesture of faith.

Remember Shiro loves you



Btw as for the latest development, btw I think there is a chance someone else targeted Dave that proked this public annoucnment. I mean according to MS Wiki Loud only inform the person targeted not the whole thread. It could be that this is an extra abbility at play.

I didn't know that, my bad

I've only assumed you've been inactive because it was recently your birthday according to the site.

[Scott and Ramona]

Shrio's latest post was a simple prod dodge but something about it pings. Mainly the congratulating.

Why would I need to prod dodge when I am on V/LA till the 20th?

It was just a happy little gesture of faith.

Remember Shiro loves you



Btw as for the latest development, btw I think there is a chance someone else targeted Dave that proked this public annoucnment. I mean according to MS Wiki Loud only inform the person targeted not the whole thread. It could be that this is an extra abbility at play.

I didn't know that, my bad

I've only assumed you've been inactive because it was recently your birthday according to the site.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Well, I've been sadly mistaken.

I'd like to hear his reasoning however for his visit. I think him seem to be agitated than one should be in regards to some of rb's recent posts seems genuine and not a fight scum would pick given the game state.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Okay for real, is Not fury or whatever actually a day cop or just full of shit?

What do you think?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

at the start of d1 titus claimed a list of 5 characters that were confirmed as town to her.

My bad, I missed that. Who are the five town?

1858.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I'm still skeptical about davesaz. I worry he is a loud roleblocker or something (saying that out loud tho... sounds pretty dumb, so much negative utility)

He lives for today because he will be proven later.

Why not help us sort him now? What do you think of his play Day 1? Do you think town Dave opts to target SQ despite the PGO claim?

tbh I find the idea of literally just picking out claims to keep track of as scum motivated.

going through the entire game at least twice to find all the claims + apparently maintaining "a lot of reads" only to sheep a compromise wagon doesn't help either.
-nos

Sadly it's NAI.

Some players just prefer to solve the game through setup speculation. I've seen it cost town quite a bit of games because people are the under the assumption that scum are always keeping track of claims and such. Putting information like that in one whole neat post and constantly doing it only makes scum job easier in my opinion but I can see how one can think it's town motivated.

A lurker lynch really? Carnelian is likely going to be replaced. As Carnelian is in practically every game. *sigh*

Do you still scumread PV Titus? Help me understand here.

--Math

If it's not being town, I don't care. It's not worth wasting an investigative on. I am lynch anyone not obvtown and sort it from there. Too many players a wake without a guilty of any sort to demand player X be lynched. Whomever resists is more telling.

I don't understand the logic here and it makes me want to go back to what I was talking about with Majiffy earlier before he subbed out for a second. This is a 32 player game. Slots like Carnelian while shouldn't be tolerated, were to be expected. Yume will be replaced most likely at some point and we will hopeful get someone who will have time for this game.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

This is starting to turn into CIV Mafia again for me it's just page after page and I am trying to play this game mostly because I love the mod(s) and playerlist but trying to catch up feels so much like a chore instead of enjoying and trying to find scum I still have so many questions like "Is this multiball so looking at wagons is shit" "Why is ____ not engaging with me" etc etc I'd like if a few people shut up so we can get some other people talking because reading 20+ players is just it's a lot I don't know how you people do it

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MariaR

This is far from Civ in terms of spam and toxic behavior. We were still on Day 1 in the 150s running around with our heads cut off.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Not Fury, why have you stopped playing?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Players I'd always kill if I was MariaR:

Chairman Doggo
Dhairman Coggo
Dairman Choggo
oggoD namraihC


~

Gamma no, everyone should just townread the absolute ever living shit out of Gamma. We put him on the Shiniest Town Pedestal all the way to endgame.


Ramcius i agree tho

Welp we can table Gamma then. His posts today are underwhelming.

Is underwhelming posts the only thing you see in your Gamma read? Tell me more.

~Ramona

[Scott and Ramona]

Not interested in Tywin today. Sounds plausible for Sqs check.

Not interested in MariaR today.
I townread her.
I think she is lynchbait every game she plays and people need to knock it off.

--Math

That hasn't been my overall experience with her. Could you site some games? If you're mostly referring to PyP, that was a planned bus. She wasn't getting lynched that game period without our help.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

i MEAN it honestly pisses me off that the only person I ISO'd completely (doggo) was killed. the game is as long as ever, I dont know what to do sigh.

I can understand the frustration but shouldn't that motivate you more? There is no way you can seriously be implying your effort has gone to waste. Doggo flipped town which means we know his thoughts and motivations were genuine which is huge. If you've taken any notes about his ISO, you can now use them a little better to find scum

But maria, you having zero reads on anyone in the game is an obvious scum tell. You need to go. I'm voting you not PV,because you're scum. So go shade someone else while you lurk and hide and cry about being scum.

Since when is that a universal scum tell for Maria? I thought the tell was her level of anger and confusion and whether it's genuine or not.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Blah Civ mafia 2.0 okay rev up the WAGON BOYS WE GOING TO TOWN

Can't be Civ, scum died this game

OOOOPE LMFAO

This is starting to turn into CIV Mafia again for me it's just page after page and I am trying to play this game mostly because I love the mod(s) and playerlist but trying to catch up feels so much like a chore instead of enjoying and trying to find scum I still have so many questions like "Is this multiball so looking at wagons is shit" "Why is ____ not engaging with me" etc etc I'd like if a few people shut up so we can get some other people talking because reading 20+ players is just it's a lot I don't know how you people do it

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MariaR

This is far from Civ in terms of spam and toxic behavior. We were still on Day 1 in the 150s running around with our heads cut off.

- Scott

I mean from MY point of view and how I was handling Civ mafia I came in guns blazing and my want and need for the game slowly slowly drifted because the game was going fast

Kill the player I have meta on and can pocket:? Wow you're a smart one aren't you.

Why do you think Doggo was killed then? The other two big SRs were PV and Cerb. Cerb is a lie detector claim we aren't lynching.

So what's your thought on PV? Why was doggo NK'd?

Didn't we have the EXACT same issue in hotel mafia where I was pinned for the cloud NK you should know this Tywin that's another reason to sr you Pere feels town on recent posts. I think doggo was NK'd because the longer there in the game the more obv town they can get.

I wasn't in hotel mafia so I have no idea what you're referencing.

Yes...Yes you were. viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69654

But maria, you having zero reads on anyone in the game is an obvious scum tell. You need to go. I'm voting you
,not PV,because you're scum. So go shade someone else while you lurk and hide and cry about being scum.

You think me having 0 reads is a scumtell? Oh come on you act like making up reads as scum is hard. I do have reads I have light trs I have light sr's but a lot of them are just "I like this post or that" it's nothing conreate that I feel like saying right now. I'm not shading anyone

The thing is that this game has significantly slowed down from the first couple of days. I have a hard time believing that you still believe it's going at the rate that Civ was.

The game is multiball that means both sides are going to be scumhunting for the other team (Duh) It's just how they progress the game that you need to look at things like this that's why I think the other scumteam will be near the middle of the wagon and red will be more near the end
Pedit:

Also point to me in Tywins Iso where it's legit scumhunting without him leaving a backout option

Tywin's Iso was all about pushing Gamma along with a hedging of the bets if he flipped town

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma is scummy as all fuck. I know I'm not the only one that sees this. I've been giving gamma a pass because in the past, he always pinged me hard as hell and I'd SR him. He eventually always flipped town though. So I was ignoring him thinking maybe he's just a scummy player in general, but I cant keep ignoring this shit. Gamma is not town. Like Almost50 just gave an excuse for Ram to be scummy af as if that's okay and he's never scum for it (bullshit), but Gamma's posts are just as bad if not worse. Seriously, someone iso him and tell me he's town. Give reasons. Otherwise he's obvious as hell to me.

Read his posts and see how he calls every player under the sun town or acts super friendly toward them, and notice that he hasn't SR anyone and has made no attempt whatsoever at finding scum. He hasn't even made a single accusation. Its all neutral lukewarm shit that is completely useless. He's fluff the entire way.

He needs to be lynched. He has the second highest post count after doggo, but it's ALL trash. Every single post he makes is shit. Its either not game related, neutral in every way, or calling someone town. He has zero scum reads and has not looked for scum at all. 125 posts of fluff trash.

Side note: lynching him helps make the thread easier to read for all. Its like a bonus with lynching obvious scum.

He needs to go. ISO him and see for yourself. Seriously, this is the worst I've ever seen gamma do this, and I searched his iso for anything that wasn't completely useless. I came up with nothing.

This post is a big one that was red lights look at the over justification for this read "I always sr gamma guys but I've been letting it go!" Always a reason and always room to back peddle hell his first post was "wow you are all shitposting gr I'm upset!"

No. I haven't been in a gamma scum game,

He's so confident in a sr with Gamma but hasn't been in a scum game with him at all like what the fuck? Not a single ounce of worry

I think you're not really taking Ty's personality into account here. While I agree the reasoning there was pretty terrible, I think you're forgetting that Ty is sort of similar to a player like Two-Face in the sense that he is very bullheaded and as a result, plays and looks at mafia in sort of a simple way.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Should I claim btw?

Could you walk us through the town motivation for asking if you should?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Glanced through Siblings ISO for clues on who they might have copped.

My best guess might be Master Vampire, since there reads on him went through the gambit.

Less sure it was Tywin, because their last few posts seem to indicate that they townread him.

Where I was last at with that since Frogger seemed to be mostly in control of the hydra. However, it could be anyone as we all know and I think it's waste of time trying to find out.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

This kind of reminds me of Watchmen with the way Alisae, Ankamius, and TellTaleHeart subbed out. This has already escalated beyond that point and I rather not have our mod be forced to look for more people.

I think you're approach here is fine Titus, but just like me in Watchmen, you're failing to see how you come off to others. What may be constructive criticism and tough love to you is clearly not registering to Math and everyone else. Drop it and hug things out offsite. Continuing only drowns out others and allows scum to hide in the noise.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Who did Wheme replace again?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Still feel good about that slot for town.

Intital thoughts Wheme?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

UNVOTE:

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

If Aristophanes doesn't follow through on his promise, kill him.

I can get behind this.

I mean, everyone has the same read on me which is funny as "i can see him flipping scum"

Brah, I am not posting anything meaningful. I can see myself flipping a bird. Dont decorate a random read and instead tell what it is. ZZZX is doing nothing. Feeling its horrible? push it or ask questions or try to tell him to read stuff. "weak" "might" "see" reads suck. I hate em.

Why are you whining?

Everyone has the same read on you because you're not delivering much when you're here, you keep complaining about the game length, and now people scum reading you. After a while, the excuses start to run thin, as you had ample time to replace out. You even requested too and then awkwardly withdrew said replace out. Either ISO scum reads of someone of you town read or forget about catching up and just interact with people in real time.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

My computer has been weird for the past few days so that's part of my absence. It's OK now.

I pick town!Maria side.

@gork - if you're not having fun and are always getting frustrated at this game, I don't think anyone will blame you on replacing out. In fact -

Saying autism is not a personal insult. It should be used as a flag to accept your differences and help people shine and know what not to do.

Are you kidding me?

Tywin, I accept your apology. I'm a little disappointed that it took Titus' re-ignition of the argument (or whomever, I am really not OK to check right now) for you to say that but I can see your sincerity. I hope you understand that I have no intention of being in this game after this discussion though. I

hate

replacing out of a role where I replaced in. I think it's probably the worst thing that you can do as a player for a mod, especially in this game where inactivity is at an all time high.

My reads haven't been great (I called both scum yesterday town and figured that I'd be pressured for it right off the bat today for it) but I figured that I would not only go into a game with more than the normal amount of players for experience (and fun) but also replace into a fast moving game. However, justifying a personal insult that stems to a mental disease that no one can control because it might be a nice mafia tool for someone who has clearly shown that they are not a psychiatrist in any means?

That's FUCKED up.

I'm glad you can forgive Titus, Mathblade. I am also sorry that you have to deal with someone that would actually use that hovering over your head. You are a much better person than me to deal with that. However, I just cannot do that. This is absolutely disgusting behavior that I'd expect on 4chan rather than on Mafiascum. Just to help your fucking mafia tools, I have no mental disabilities.

Mod: Please replace me. Titus, please refrain from playing with me further.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Finish your catchup.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Is Scott LuV

Yep.

Ramona is Chickadee.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I see I see

When are we doing Rappers Mafia with 21 savage being the villain

Maybe this summer

That's when Savage Mode 2 comes out I think.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean, everyone has the same read on me which is funny as "i can see him flipping scum"

Brah, I am not posting anything meaningful. I can see myself flipping a bird. Dont decorate a random read and instead tell what it is. ZZZX is doing nothing. Feeling its horrible? push it or ask questions or try to tell him to read stuff. "weak" "might" "see" reads suck. I hate em.

I actually like this post

Why?

Had a long weekend, will catch up tonight.

Iso dives are going on the back burner.

Who were you planning on ISO diving and why?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

@ZZZX: if you need to just go the way of cerb and don't catch up. Read PV and tell us your opinion on that slot; he's got a relatively low post count.

PV always has a low post count. Don't let that fool you. I guarantee you he knows EVERYTHING that has gone on this game. I haven't figured out how to read him well yet, despite a not small number of games together, but he's not a slot I would ever even consider post count when evaluating.

Can we lynch ZZZX already?

You guys go back and forth on players like PV, Ramcius, or NF, but ignore lurkers like ZZZX without even allowing discussion to foster. You just make excuses for him. Why?

I've played with town ZZZX a lot. This is what he does. When he lives long enough, he does sometimes engage quite a lot more ... when there's fewer players left and less to read through. He frequently gets mislynched before that point when he's town though, because for some reason, people have this idea that activity level = alignment. And I suppose that

some

scum do in fact lurk, or else people should have long since abandoned the idea. Since I cannot recall seeing ZZZX as scum, I cannot say for certain that activity is NAI for him, but I can say that if he's town, he will show up and obvtown himself when the pace slows a bit.

Up to you whether you want to prosecute for activity level or wait and see.

What are you basing this assumption on? If it's from this game, I don't see it, especially after his interactions with and based on Titus. If it's from experience, share yours with us. I've have found that PV is always in a state of constantly catching up due to being v/LA on the weekends. So walk me through this as best as you can because like MV is just stating that reading PV's ISO will be easier for you due to his activity. PV has been scum read by quite a few people, so getting your thoughts out there on him would be nice and honestly a no brainer considering how little you would have to read.

As for ZZZX, it sounds like he does better in Mircos. I can't see him as town staying in for this long because we most likely have a long way to go before we even reach the average size of a mini normal. What do you think of him asking to be replaced and then retracting it?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Okay, starting D2 now.

Why the heck did Not Fury daycop a dayvig? That seems stupid! He shot scum, and even tho it's mulyi, dayvig makes no sense for scum generally.
Inb4 this was a gambit/reaction test tho.

Also, why do we know Davesaz visited SQ? Is that a role thing I missed?

Tone of the first part of this reads very fake. The enthusiasm seems unwarranted.

As for Dave, he has a loud modifier.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

So far I would vote: PV, Ramiscus, Vax in that order. Vax just because his early D2 catchup is bad. I'm hoping he gets better and obvtowns as I read further.

Ok but my catch-up was worse

I really like this post.

Carnelian slot forever town.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Other than that, Socrates needs to give some SRs if he thinks ZZZX is lynchbait. He said a lot of people are town, but take them off the table, and someone in the remaining pool has to be a SR, right? Not mentioning then at all feels like what scum do to avoid gaining votes. They wait for a wagon to get big enough before pretending to SR someone. Socrates is waiting for that wagon imo.

Having a scum-read doesn't mean you have to automatically vote it. Sometimes you might have one reason or another for not doing so I guess?

Can you elaborate on this?

He is a scumread.

@mhsmith, Vote Ram?

Can you bottom line the case on him? Don't need a wall, but a link to where it was spelled out or a couple sentences would help.

He hasn't scumhunted at all, or if you're feeling charitable, hasn't scumhunted since pressuring me about my masonizer claim, but has a beetlejuice syndrome.

cute, my push on Tywin was much more serious than that reaction test on you, so either you didn't read my ISO, you are selfcentric or scum, either way, keep it coming, i will have good laugh in dead thread, either from you ML me, or from town following scum

This is an interesting point and now that I think about it, I don't really see a reason why town wouldn't claim it bar reaction testing. Which again, brings me back to Dave and what I know about him. He just doesn't seem the type to gamble.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

My computer has been weird for the past few days so that's part of my absence. It's OK now.

I pick town!Maria side.

@gork - if you're not having fun and are always getting frustrated at this game, I don't think anyone will blame you on replacing out. In fact -

Saying autism is not a personal insult. It should be used as a flag to accept your differences and help people shine and know what not to do.

Are you kidding me?

Tywin, I accept your apology. I'm a little disappointed that it took Titus' re-ignition of the argument (or whomever, I am really not OK to check right now) for you to say that but I can see your sincerity. I hope you understand that I have no intention of being in this game after this discussion though. I

hate

replacing out of a role where I replaced in. I think it's probably the worst thing that you can do as a player for a mod, especially in this game where inactivity is at an all time high.

My reads haven't been great (I called both scum yesterday town and figured that I'd be pressured for it right off the bat today for it) but I figured that I would not only go into a game with more than the normal amount of players for experience (and fun) but also replace into a fast moving game. However, justifying a personal insult that stems to a mental disease that no one can control because it might be a nice mafia tool for someone who has clearly shown that they are not a psychiatrist in any means?

That's FUCKED up.

I'm glad you can forgive Titus, Mathblade. I am also sorry that you have to deal with someone that would actually use that hovering over your head. You are a much better person than me to deal with that. However, I just cannot do that. This is absolutely disgusting behavior that I'd expect on 4chan rather than on Mafiascum. Just to help your fucking mafia tools, I have no mental disabilities.

Mod: Please replace me. Titus, please refrain from playing with me further.

Hiraki, please just stay in for this game. I don't want to deal with ANOTHER replace in.

He's gone sadly. Thoughts on the slots play overall?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Spoiler:

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

No. Rather it's the only read he has pushed and that was d1. I've commented that it's ok for me not to be conftown with Dave, but static reads are not cool.

I will post my own reads within 24 hours. In 48 hours from this post,

if no organic wagon emerges organically

, I will look through everyone's reads and pick someone according to Wisdom of the Crowds theory. Then, people will need to get on that person or pick some and cite evidence they are a common scumread.

considering scumread on you wasn't much of a read, i call your case just a bias for whatever reason

my scumread on Tywin wasn't a proper read? my scumread on Dave isn't either?

I can't find you pushing them anywhere recently or anyone or doing anything to progress this game.

@Ari: NF I cant tell if they're a troll or what. They haven't done anything to be called town, but I don't see why they've claimed cop 100x if it isn't true. That's like asking for a PL.

Dave has a loud modifier that let everyone know he visited SQ the night they got NK'd. He never explained what he was doing there as far as I know, never gave any sort of info on it? The real question to ask is why would scum have a loud modifier, and even if they did, why would they send Dave for the NK if so? Makes no sense, so prob town.

why you dismiss possibility Dave being simply loud visiting scum PR?

If he's flip scum, you'll get rope

this for example

and you said i didn't scumread anyone besides you at start of D1, now you change it to recently? As i said, if you want me lynched, say it clear - you want PL me for lurking more or less, not for having genuine scumread on me, i can accept it, but i won't accept your biased bs about me only pushing your sorry ass for dumb masoniser/neighbouriser claim D1, which was merely reaction test, but not pushing/scumreading anyone else in this game

Where's the push here? It's a weak attempt to sort with a weird warning at the end.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

LUV why do you read my slot as town I don't see how you could do that unless you somehow know I'm town via your role

Yume claiming miller. I really don't see her being that bold with a gambit like that.

You're also Wen, I don't really see that character being group scum. Ramona had a theory that she had peddled to me about how it could potentially be third-party. I don't think our mod would put something bastard in a game like cults though.

[Scott and Ramona]

LUV why do you read my slot as town I don't see how you could do that unless you somehow know I'm town via your role

Yume claiming miller. I really don't see her being that bold with a gambit like that.

You're also Wen, I don't really see that character being group scum. Ramona had a theory that she had peddled to me about how it could potentially be third-party. I don't think our mod would put something bastard in a game like cults though.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean, everyone has the same read on me which is funny as "i can see him flipping scum"

Brah, I am not posting anything meaningful. I can see myself flipping a bird. Dont decorate a random read and instead tell what it is. ZZZX is doing nothing. Feeling its horrible? push it or ask questions or try to tell him to read stuff. "weak" "might" "see" reads suck. I hate em.

I actually like this post

Why?

Had a long weekend, will catch up tonight.

Iso dives are going on the back burner.

Who were you planning on ISO diving and why?

- Scott

It reads as frustrated townie trying to force people to take stances

Why do you think he was doing that when he's barely contributed when he's been here? I don't see him making any real judgements on the stances people are making about him other than his town read on Socrates.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Does anyone know what Ram is at right now?

Also RB are u scum

Fyi WhemeStar joins my I want to lynch reaaaaaallllllly bad group.

--Math

Why?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Gin's aggression seems unwarranted.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Gin's aggression seems unwarranted.

- Scott

You can either argue one side or fuck off with your shading

No one is shading.

Dave hasn't been the subject of discussion in a while and I don't think it is logical to assume a majority of us are going to write him off as town because flavor.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Gin, it's not so much about being fired up, it's what you're fired up about. The timing of this aggression coupled with what's it over is why I called it unwarranted. Especially after you recently called for a wagon on Dave but made no effort to engage him on his posts shortly after that.

Socrates town reading Dave off flavor is extremely dumb in his position. He has a wagon on him I believe, people scum read him, and his overall play doesn't give him much clout. Your concerns are valid but do not require the level of aggression you've just shown.

--

Math, I see you don't have much experience with Wheme. He's similar to me in the sense he doesn't like going back and reading, especially if that reading contains large amounts of wall posts. Some people aren't as diligent or bother to comb through as much as you. You also have to take into account if he was scum, there would be no reason to appear clueless in an effort to not look scummy when Carnelian was widely town read. I think your issues with him stem from play style differences.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Is mod meta a thing that could apply here?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Math, I see you don't have much experience with Wheme. He's similar to me in the sense he doesn't like going back and reading, especially if that reading contains large amounts of wall posts. Some people aren't as diligent or bother to comb through as much as you. You also have to take into account if he was scum, there would be no reason to appear clueless in an effort to not look scummy when Carnelian was widely town read. I think your issues with him stem from play style differences.

Playing the ignorance card is a very common scum-stalling tactic and I'll eat my shorts if none of the players doing it flipped scum. It's why I've got my foot firmly on Aristophane's ass, because that is entirely in his scum-meta. He finally got around to giving some reads on Monday, but he needs to keep it up to avoid my vote.

I actually do have experience with Wheme and he is rather smart.

--Math

I think he's smarter in general than he portrays but I think his play style makes him appear scummy because he doesn't really give effort. He often has trouble elaborating on reads and doesn't read much. Try interacting with him extensively in real time?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Gork

flavopr name - Zebra
role - VT

here you go

Great. Ramicus scum claimed that is literally the first post.

MariaR is likely not VT but may be EIN but I doubt VT because reasons.

--Math

dop you expect my real claim? i didn't saw 10 votes on me getting trough to put me at L-1

I can see the town motivation behind gambiting but the tone of your fake claim read more like "Here, take my VT claim and leave me alone."

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I don't imagine the sample role being in the game

@Scott Explain how to interact with posts like this. He isn't posting anything interactable.
@Wheme no intent to hammer?

I don't really have a certain way to approach his posts. He isn't like a Kain or Riley. Or even Naomi. I just think interacting with him in real time will help you read him better.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean, everyone has the same read on me which is funny as "i can see him flipping scum"

Brah, I am not posting anything meaningful. I can see myself flipping a bird. Dont decorate a random read and instead tell what it is. ZZZX is doing nothing. Feeling its horrible? push it or ask questions or try to tell him to read stuff. "weak" "might" "see" reads suck. I hate em.

I actually like this post

Why?

Had a long weekend, will catch up tonight.

Iso dives are going on the back burner.

Who were you planning on ISO diving and why?

- Scott

It reads as frustrated townie trying to force people to take stances

Why do you think he was doing that when he's barely contributed when he's been here? I don't see him making any real judgements on the stances people are making about him other than his town read on Socrates.

- Scott

He wanted people to take stances so at the very least other people could see and analyze those stances.

Why is opting to help others when he hasn't stated many town reads at all?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I mean, everyone has the same read on me which is funny as "i can see him flipping scum"

Brah, I am not posting anything meaningful. I can see myself flipping a bird. Dont decorate a random read and instead tell what it is. ZZZX is doing nothing. Feeling its horrible? push it or ask questions or try to tell him to read stuff. "weak" "might" "see" reads suck. I hate em.

I actually like this post

Why?

Had a long weekend, will catch up tonight.

Iso dives are going on the back burner.

Who were you planning on ISO diving and why?

- Scott

It reads as frustrated townie trying to force people to take stances

Why do you think he was doing that when he's barely contributed when he's been here? I don't see him making any real judgements on the stances people are making about him other than his town read on Socrates.

- Scott

He wanted people to take stances so at the very least other people could see and analyze those stances.

Why is he opting to help others when he hasn't stated many town reads at all?

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

VOTE: Ramicus

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Think I'll put Ari as town

Why aren't you considering him?

Ok everyone I'm officially a comod for the game from this post forward, currently trying to update op and promised VC slots.

Hi FA!

Hiya

Hello obvious alt!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

So why are Ramcius and Socrates evil?

4855 and 4857 summed it pretty well before he claim. The way he claimed and what he claimed (4935) as well do it for me also.

Socrates seems to be scum read because people are reading his lack of focus and little to no scum reads at one point in the game to be very scummy.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Hiya

Hello obvious alt!

- Scott

I am from another site.

Right

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

So why are Ramcius and Socrates evil?

4855 and 4857 summed it pretty well before he claimed. The way he claimed and what he claimed (4935) as well do it for me also.

Socrates seems to be scum read because people are reading his lack of focus and little to no scum reads at one point in the game to be very scummy.

- Scott

EBWOP.

[Scott and Ramona]

Innocent:
Tywin Lannister
PeregrineV
Mhsmith0
RachMarie
Titus

To sort:
Master Vampire
Randomidget
Scott and Ramona
Davesaz
Drixx
Ramcius
TheRealGin-N-Tonics
Cerberus v666
WhemeStar
Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Not Chara
Socrates
Vaxkiller
ZZZX

Evil:
Shiro
Aristophanes
Gorkington
Rb
Insomniacs
MariaR
Not Fury

Could you explain how this list come about? Specifically the good and evil parts, because from the looks of it, the town reads section would imply that you've been following this game before subbing in but I don't think that's the case given your scum reads. The scum reads you've listed not only show a disturbing disconnect but also just look like you randomly picked people that are on the Ram Ram wagon and then threw in a couple of other people for seasoning.

Can you elaborate on this?

If I am scum reading A B and C but only slightly and I see someone going for A but I am in a position where I don't think A should be lynched yet because he didn't do enough to get sorted for examplel. I wouldn't vote A because I will eventually get a chance to sort A and get a "Better" read

I don't think I follow. Why do you feel you eventually will? Also what's wrong with voting while sorting in order to help sort?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Off topic:

I just got a job! *Hooray Mathy dance*

Bad news expect my posting to go way down.

-- Math head obviously

Congrats!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Okay. We're talking about real life and shit now. I think that's some kind of universal sign for "get on with it" or something.

So where's your vote? Do you scum read Ram Ram? If not, what are your thoughts on Priscilla?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Never lynching Wheme.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Innocent:
Titus
MariaR
Cerberus v666
Gorkington
Insomniacs
Tywin Lannister

To sort:
everyone else

Evil:
Drixx
Rb
Shiro
TheRealGin-N-Tonics
Scott and Ramona
Socrates
Aristophanes
Not Fury

So scum was not even smart enough to kill me, and now they have no kill at all. I love being a "potential mislynch."

And I do not think any of you even know why you are voting me.

I suppose now I must begin to read the game fully. At least we are guaranteed a scum lynch today.

Can you explain why do you need to sort Pere, Rach, and Smith now? I remember you town reading them earlier. What's changed?

Can you also explain why do you still need to sort Gamma? Are you doubting his claim due to the no one dying last night?

I see you still have some of the same scum reads as you did earlier. What am I missing with rb and Shrio? Both feel good tonally.

Priscila needs rope. Reads changed waaay too much overnight to have not read the thread. Either she has already or she is posting a reads list that is full of shit. Either way she is lying.

I have a feeling they're an alt of a user we all know but I rather not do what I did with Yuri in Civ.

prodge. Will read the last 10 pages tonight

Just checking in and noting that I am still re-reading with a couple of specific purposes. Some things have been said and I'm trying to see if I can put the pieces together correctly. I might have finished but I played Stellaris with Cerb for a few hours tonight.

What are you trying to piece together? I think obvious places to start are who Dave has visited and everything concerning how the Ram wagon formed, who was reluctant to join it, and who joined it without much interaction with Ram are going to go a long way into figuring things out. Would be nice to hear your thoughts on those 2 things since you haven't been sharing at all and your lash out at NF worries me.

Major alt slip

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Math if you indeed had hinted at a role and they have a good idea of what it is, why would you want to force them to out it?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Oh I do, incase the old "I have experience with you but can't say where." trick gets pulled out.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

o:
scott was luv all along?

Plot twist!

[Scott and Ramona]

o:
scott was luv all along?

Plot twist!

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I understand the frustration some but as someone who doesn't have nearly half the experience Titus does, I'm inclined to believe she knows what's she doing here even if it all doesn't make sense right now.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I think it is more beneficial for at least today to continuing to sort Dave and PV. See what Priscilla does as we start the third quarter.

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

Don't you think if this was a concern, more people would be coming out the woodwork to try to get you to stop poking at this Math?

- Scott

[Scott and Ramona]

I think focusing on this only hurts more than it helps, Math. Especially the way you're approaching it. Sometimes gambits are done and when they aren't fucked with, they payoff well. From your POV, I can see how it can be a bit disturbing that the game has completely revolved around a result we won't hear for another 24 hours or so from someone who you have claimed has lied but it isn't a surprise given the lack of night kills.

[Scott and Ramona]

I think focusing on this only hurts more than it helps, Math. Especially the way you're approaching it. Sometimes gambits are done and when they aren't fucked with, they payoff well. From your POV, I can see how it can be a bit disturbing that the game has completely revolved around a result we won't hear for another 24 hours or so from someone who you have claimed has lied but it isn't a surprise given the lack of night kills.

- Scott