Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Ramcius]

Say hi to me. I love you just the way you are.

Let's get some wagons going.

your wish is my command

VOTE: Titus

[Ramcius]

Ew Ramcius is in this game

If i didn't sr amn I'd be voting him now

i'm glad to see you too i supposed to hydra with momo, but he dragged me here and bailed without saying a word

HI RAMCIUS!!!!!!

HIIIIIIIIIII GAMA TEPES!!!1111!!

[Ramcius]

your wish is my command

VOTE: Titus

Whoo!Whoo! Someone to talk to.

Can you bark for me? Are you knocking on heaven's door?[/quote]

i'm not bark, i bite. Heaven? I'm going down, not up, so no.

You asked for kills, so i'm gladly rope you today and fulfill your wish

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

Ew Ramcius is in this game

If i didn't sr amn I'd be voting him now

i'm glad to see you too i supposed to hydra with momo, but he dragged me here and bailed without saying a word

HI RAMCIUS!!!!!!

HIIIIIIIIIII GAMA TEPES!!!1111!!

Did you see my post about that or did I just emulate him THAT well?

both

BTW is Ramcius still really obvtown when he is town?

no, i'm obv scum

[Ramcius]

Titus and myself are never being lynched today

i doubt you are that stupid to openly claim some sort of mason, so i don't see any reason stopping us from lynching any of you

You give me sads. I was hoping you were my bitch.

rb isn't enough?

[Ramcius]

Nah, he's the forgetful one.

Yup, we're almost masons. Teehehehe.

nice, mason lynch D1 is a good start

[Ramcius]

anyone voting titus is scumclaiming

good, vote me then, cause i don't buy at all this "confirmed by mod"

[Ramcius]

Ramcius sucks not sure if town suck or maf suck

What reason do you have to disbelieve the claim

jester suck, i'm always getting those jester rolecards

[Ramcius]

ramcius is dum titus and rb are basically conftown by both play and role smdh

are you have some day ability to learn their roles?
and no, they by far from being townread for play, memeing is NAI

[Ramcius]

ramcius is dum titus and rb are basically conftown by both play and role smdh

are you have some day ability to learn their roles?
and no, they by far from being townread for play, memeing is NAI

rb is so easy to read it's not even funny - he's locktown to anyone who can actually read him

titus did a few things ive only seen her do as town and i suspect that rb's role pm says something about titus's flavor so

ok, you TR them for meta reason, but you can't ask from me same, as i don't know their meta, and even if i knew, i never use meta to TR people

so, why believe meme conditional mason claim, but not believe PGO?

[Ramcius]

ramcius is dum titus and rb are basically conftown by both play and role smdh

are you have some day ability to learn their roles?
and no, they by far from being townread for play, memeing is NAI

This game is very flavour intensive. Frozen Angel did this deliberately - we were both flavour-hunting to find town, and then we found it. If you insist on being obtuse, you're getting lynched or vigged

is this a treat?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i wonder what my other head will think about this

they're all "vote sq stay on sq scum scum scum"

i'm like "yea there's 30 other slots tho"

are you scum, Trans?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i wonder what my other head will think about this

they're all "vote sq stay on sq scum scum scum"

i'm like "yea there's 30 other slots tho"

are you scum, Trans?

you know what my answer is

so you admit you are mafia? You are red after all

[Ramcius]

i admit nothing

but you know how i respond every time someone asks that

ok, what you expect from voting me? You not presenting any case, my vote on titus is a shit reason to jump my wagon, even rb changed his opinion already and went on someone else

[Ramcius]

i think we both tr not fury tho so can ramcius go first

usually his alignment is shittingly obvious

i haven't been town in a completed game with him, but i was in a multiball and i was traitor with him and i knew he was town twice

his alignment is not blaringly obvious, in fact i lean towards him being scum

how my alignment can be obvious, if you haven't saw any of my scum games?

Also, should i note that both times i've read you correctly as scum and you was calling me being defensive both times?

And if you keep up playing like this, before Not Fury is fine too

you mean i should give free TR for random claims and memes on day 1 of D1? Sorry, not happen, that's not how i roll

[Ramcius]

i think we both tr not fury tho so can ramcius go first

usually his alignment is shittingly obvious

i haven't been town in a completed game with him, but i was in a multiball and i was traitor with him and i knew he was town twice

his alignment is not blaringly obvious, in fact i lean towards him being scum

how my alignment can be obvious, if you haven't saw any of my scum games?

Also, should i note that both times i've read you correctly as scum and you was calling me being defensive both times?

And if you keep up playing like this, before Not Fury is fine too

you mean i should give free TR for random claims and memes on day 1 of D1? Sorry, not happen, that's not how i roll

did you just call me a random claimer/memer? So you're discrediting my RachMarie claim? Well, I want to see this slot flip now. When it flips scum, punch Rach in her nose.

VOTE: Ramcius

i don't care for now who are you, or what you doing, or whatever, but i see you didn't bothered to read why i'm arguing with rb, yet you drop your vote on me

VOTE: Not Fury

OMGUS

[Ramcius]

every post where you mentioned RB. Now you're just lying. You aren't even arguing with RB lul

Semantics, anyway, i had never said anything about you, discussion was going for rb/titus mason/whatever claim and that it's not make them conf town in my eyes

P-edit: my vote scummy? i clearly wrote OMGUS, after you voted me for literally no reason (i was referring titus/rb, not you, heck, even my vote was on titus back then), so when you look for scummy votes, look up yours

[Ramcius]

every post where you mentioned RB. Now you're just lying. You aren't even arguing with RB lul

Semantics, anyway, i had never said anything about you, discussion was going for rb/titus mason/whatever claim and that it's not make them conf town in my eyes

P-edit: my vote scummy? i clearly wrote OMGUS, after you voted me for literally no reason (i was referring titus/rb, not you, heck, even my vote was on titus back then), so when you look for scummy votes, look up yours

If you say OMGUS and vote for me for that reasoning, then clearly the OMGUS vote should be on you.

It's like the chimpanzee behind bars calling the woman at the zoo an idiot.

why you taking so serious OMGUS vote? As would Trans say - "why you so defensive?"

[Ramcius]

why you taking so serious OMGUS vote? As would Trans say - "why you so defensive?"

711 indicates some amount of seriousness, as does what you said when you voted her, besides the OMGUS part.
you can't have your joke-vote and your scumread too.

Some? it was all serious. She dropped vote on me for wrong reasons, i explained she wrong and that i don't want deal with her today, yet she brought up all my interactions with rb to prove i wasn't arguing with him despite we had quite some discussion about his claim, my vote was on titus - supposed rb mason/whatever partner. It's Fury, who made it serious just because got offended or whatever by OMGUS vote, so i don't feel any guilty to going hard on her now

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

Game is about to begin.
A final word from your friendly and patient moderator:

Recent site meta has given to trend of "Hyper activity" type games. I expect this game might have this same problem, especially given the number of players in this game. I will not regulate any player from being too active, but I do ask when you post to consider other people when you are playing. Play the game to your enjoyment of course, but understand other people may have hard time keeping up if you are making more than a hundred posts in a hour.

This is a big game. I don't want to have to deal with mass replacements because of "too active and I can't keep up".

Also understand, I am ONE person. I can't be here at all times.
I will try to do at least three vote counts per real life day at a MINIMUM.
But I am not perfect. Please be patient.

Thanks everyone, and I hope you all have fun and enjoy.

Cheers,
Firebringer the best mod 2k17

GUYS

REMEBER WHEN YOUR MOD POSTED THIS

FOR FUCKS SAKE LOL

Seriously though, I came back prepared to read like 20 pages to find 34, Heh, Will see if I can finish them within this hour... sigh

This guy is town. I can't keep up with this game right now, and I think scum would prefer it that way. I have to skim everything at this point, and with a game this large, people can hide forever and never be called out. They can also shit post 1000x with one liners and pretend they're town just through activity. It's why I think doggo is scum, but whatever. The super active players are on my shit list, especially when they aren't actually saying anything.

Pedit: I agree with NC. Why does rach care so much about if they played with wall before? It's just weird.

Tywin, how you can say this after timeshifted? Your long post before and this post gives me feeling like you scum again trying blend in without making lot posts

[Ramcius]

I was in 1 game during timeshifted, was scum, and it has like 13 players. It's also why I don't SR you now, because you TR all scum (defended them even), made tons of scummy posts, and I only NK'd you because you were a PR (actually I didn't choose it,Nero did I think). So if you're town, scum are probably everyone you TR.

only TR was on you from all scumteam there, but it wasn't my point here, point is that you pushing false agenda and your play reminds your play from timeshifted, your first post in here felt like we back in timeshifted second one was obv attempt to buddy and calling someone town for literally NAI reason

VOTE: Tywin

[Ramcius]

okay are you trying to get lynched ramcius

srs question

Did i push your scumbuddy? Sorry not sorry

[Ramcius]

the above is a scumclaim

VOTE: ramcius

i keep thinking he might be overzealous town and lynchbait, as per usual but every single post he makes pings me to no end. like i have sorted him games i've played even though i wasn't in a town slot. i got town from reading him. quickly.

this time. not so much. scumfuck mcgee posts all over the place. the most recent one basically seals the deal.

probably staying here for a while until giga has time to talk to me.

considering my actions not much differ from that multiball game, i guess you rolled scum again and try get easy ML on me. Not gonna happen

[Ramcius]

well your tywin vote was junk and your 750 was even more junk

like how fucking hard can you reach bro that was terrible

as much as i need to lynch scums, but if you think "he's obv town, cause he complains for 30 pages to read" is a pro town play, it's your right, but your reads are much more reachy than mine

[Ramcius]

no you're discrediting him pretty hard

he read the game and reached conclusions

pretty bad ones, but that's to be expected due to the plethora of shitposts he had to go through

and whining about 30 pages of shitposts is someone of any alignment would do.

the vote on us felt pretty towny tbh.

pedit: damn.

How about Tywin discrediting my ability read people? And hard TR someone for NAI post (someone with 2 meaningless posts), which you agree is NAI? And pushing agenda that scums wouldn't whine about shitposting

P-edit: do you want me to give solid hard scumreads at this stage of game?

[Ramcius]

well your tywin vote was junk and your 750 was even more junk

like how fucking hard can you reach bro that was terrible

as much as i need to lynch scums, but if you think "he's obv town, cause he complains for 30 pages to read" is a pro town play, it's your right, but your reads are much more reachy than mine

I've posted 3 times since I read the game this morning with my coffee and since the couple times I've been able to post while at work, but somehow you seem to think my 3 posts equal a game I was scum in, which is a pretty incredible reach. I agree with doggo here. You calling him scum also basically conftowns him based on how I've seen your reads in multiple games now lol. Plus their read list is townie af, which I didn't expect them to do. Their the first person to do it, and I dont see scum doing that whatsoever until necessary. Pretty obvious actually.

Also, you somehow correlated my activity this game thus far with how I played as scum, which doesn't add up for multiple reasons. A) You claimed me TRing the xxx guy for his post about not spamming the thread to be wrong because activity is NAI while using activity as a fake af SR on me, and B) I was one of the most active players in Timeshift mafia. Almost50 and Nero were there as well, so unless they're your scum buddies, I'm pretty sure they can confirm that without me having to look it up.

So what I'm saying is you're a lying hypocrite, your reads are trash regardless so thats NAI, but you arent looking either. You SR me for saying whoever you TR is scum. That's fine, except you haven't done anything else for someone that has used activity to gain a SR while also saying activity is NAI for the xxxj guy's post. Like your flailing at this point.

Lol ram you're scum VOTE: Ram

If it's multiball, then that means your buddies might push back a bit, but being a wagon D1 doesn't mean autotown like in normal games. It also means I want a read list from you. Game solving made easy.

Most active, when people was poking you in the end, but till then you was making your long posts and coasting, nice try.

Where my reads was trash? When i found 2/3 mafia and traitor D1? Or when town refused listen me for who is scums, but they wanted mine and both my mason buddies heads, so i replaced out?

i didn't SR you on activity, i SR you for your attempt buddy, for pushing false agenda and i brought some meta along with my SR

[Ramcius]

the above is a scumclaim

VOTE: ramcius

i keep thinking he might be overzealous town and lynchbait, as per usual but every single post he makes pings me to no end. like i have sorted him games i've played even though i wasn't in a town slot. i got town from reading him. quickly.

this time. not so much. scumfuck mcgee posts all over the place. the most recent one basically seals the deal.

probably staying here for a while until giga has time to talk to me.

Look, Trans! I have a TR on your slot for <reasons>, so let me remind you of our last game together where Scum!Me easily managed to mislynch Town!Ram for this exact posting style. I would have expected you to know better and wait for someone else to make a push and then evaluate that someone else's behaviour.

In other words, let's leave Ram for scum to sort him out. If he doesn't get pushed he needs to be copped or investigated by some means, but I certainly am not interested in lynching him on D1 in this game.

i like last paragraph - "if no one push Ram, we can ML him later, he's playstyle is scummy af, so that won't be difficult"

btw, don't take credit for my lynch in Spies, i got lynched for pushing 1v1 Nero, you were more concerned on my SR on you

[Ramcius]

sidenote: if you're town, please at least do a bebop wiki search on your character, so you can be crumbed to and actually fucking understand

THIS GAME IS VERY FLAVOUR INTENSIVE, ITS IMPORTANT

why it's important? rolefishing?

[Ramcius]

3 people have requested replacements.
Theres 32 players in this game.

The majority of people who have replaced out reasons are "I can't keep up".
I don't know how I can stress this point enough without becoming annoying about it.

Game has had like 50 posts in last 24 hours.

In a 32 player game. Like the rate of posting isn't even 2 posts per player per day since your last mention - the fuck more do you want, lmao.

The problem here isn't overactivity if people STILL can't keep up.

personally i just stopped read most posts, just waiting end of day

problem is 60 pages, not 80 posts in last day, people don't want read all that spam

[Ramcius]

prodge, keep spamming, hit record, i believe in you, guys

[Ramcius]

Both Ramcius and Gin came and went without posting.

i haven't read like 30 pages, so not so much i could say

[Ramcius]

VOTE: slysly

to end this day

[Ramcius]

Pls read during night at least

was there something important or just bunch of bickering like first 60+ pages?

[Ramcius]

Pls read during night at least

was there something important or just bunch of bickering like first 60+ pages?

Hm
I'm sure something will be important at some point

i'm not going look for something i don't know in 30+ pages of spam and walls, especially when i don't know, if live long enough to use it, or people that something is about to

[Ramcius]

i claim jester

who we lynching?

[Ramcius]

Not lynching until Sly claims

so, that Not Fury check was real or a joke?

[Ramcius]

Not lynching until Sly claims

so, that Not Fury check was real or a joke?

Real

then why wait Sly claim?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Tywin

[Ramcius]

Ramicus is probably scum though...:/

why i'm scum?

P-edit: i'm not resisting to Sly lynch, but i really didn't liked Tywin earlier, you can find it in my ISO, so i take his lynch over null read any day

[Ramcius]

Ramicus is probably scum though...:/

why i'm scum?

P-edit: i'm not resisting to Sly lynch, but i really didn't liked Tywin earlier, you can find it in my ISO, so i take his lynch over null read any day

Terrible response to my flavor clears.

Lurking through Sly wagon.

Naked vote onto Tywin

*shrug*

Flavor clear is nothing so early in game, you not even claimed there, just some hints on something

i'm lurking, because i'm not going read all this spam, plus i voted Sly to end day, before Nero was shot

you can find reasoning in my ISO, not that much i have posted in this game

anything else?

[Ramcius]

Flavor clear is nothing so early in game, you not even claimed there, just some hints on something

Nah, I claimed it. If Faye Valentine, Ed, Ein, Spiegel, and Black are in the game, they are town. This is your bad response.

yes, i saw that, when i was skimming, but we are talking early D1, when i was pushing and voting you, so it's problem on your part of situation comprehension

[Ramcius]

Flavor clear is nothing so early in game, you not even claimed there, just some hints on something

Nah, I claimed it. If Faye Valentine, Ed, Ein, Spiegel, and Black are in the game, they are town. This is your bad response.

yes, i saw that, when i was skimming, but we are talking early D1, when i was pushing and voting you, so it's problem on your part of situation comprehension

Nah. It's not. I was pretty clear I had flavor clears from very early and even my first posts. So yeah we can do this dance where you pretend to be less smart than you are. Ok.

Me? it's you tried bring "i claimed" argument, when it was way later than my push/vote was, and no, i don't have to believe early vague flavor claims, and yes, i have right to push random claims early to see if they are legit, which i'm doing time from time, that not makes me scum, NAI very best

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

Flavor clear is nothing so early in game, you not even claimed there, just some hints on something

Nah, I claimed it. If Faye Valentine, Ed, Ein, Spiegel, and Black are in the game, they are town. This is your bad response.

yes, i saw that, when i was skimming, but we are talking early D1, when i was pushing and voting you, so it's problem on your part of situation comprehension

Nah. It's not. I was pretty clear I had flavor clears from very early and even my first posts. So yeah we can do this dance where you pretend to be less smart than you are. Ok.

Me? it's you tried bring "i claimed" argument, when it was way later than my push/vote was, and no, i don't have to believe early vague flavor claims, and yes, i have right to push random claims early to see if they are legit, which i'm doing time from time, that not makes me scum, NAI very best

Look, you can try to spin things not as they are. I don't care. The quickest way to get me to believe otherwise is to actually detail a different scumread.

First, i don't care, if you believe, i'm not lynch today, second, my case on Tywin is in my ISO, his response to my SR on him was really disgusting, so he's my first pick for a lynch, and by the looks, it's not just me getting scum vibe from him. If there will be someone else close to lynch and i notice it, i'll vote them to end this day

[Ramcius]

welp, i was really sure Doggo was scum

VOTE: Tywin

this still is my top SR

[Ramcius]

VOTE: MariaR

if the dayvig could just shoot ram tyvm?

-nos

sorry for wanting your scumbuddy dead, but it's just how game goes - mafia dies, one way or another, so town would win at the end

[Ramcius]

yeah someone should shoot ram tonight.

p-edit: ah yeah i guess since nightkills arent affected by asceticism it might be possible that in that case the loud modifier wouldnt be blocked where it might be otherwise.

Why would vig waste shot me? It's more than obvious that mafia wouldn't kill me by any chance

[Ramcius]

okay im being dumb.
ram.
why is mastervampire scum? are you saying theyre scum with slysly? why if so?

that was more like a joke, but i would like to know why they want vig me?

Only thing i did D2 was my vote on Tywin and my pity that Doggo got killed (they were on my SR list, i was wrong), Master Vampire never mentioned me D1, i looked their ISO, so that can't be D1 shenanigans, which leaves possibility them being on same team with Tywin and trying push me from Tywin, BTD saw how relentless i can be on my SRs in recent game we been together

[Ramcius]

I need to nip this in the bud. I think RB's claim was an obvious fake

based on the day start PM that he did not realize everyone got

.
He fake claimed Faye and then said he did it to try to shield the real Faye.
He goes in my policy pile now. Even if town, the multiple lies are damaging.

what day start PM you talking about? Only PM i ever got from Fire was my role, no day start PM for D1, neither for D2, and how you know "everyone got"?

VOTE: Davesaz

[Ramcius]

I think Tywin,

Ramicus

, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

tell me about this one

tell me about you sudden wish vig me

[Ramcius]

I need to nip this in the bud. I think RB's claim was an obvious fake

based on the day start PM that he did not realize everyone got

.
He fake claimed Faye and then said he did it to try to shield the real Faye.
He goes in my policy pile now. Even if town, the multiple lies are damaging.

what day start PM you talking about? Only PM i ever got from Fire was my role, no day start PM for D1, neither for D2, and how you know "everyone got"?

VOTE: Davesaz

Double check your inbox. I did get a D2 start PM from FB.

nope, still not there, but still, how he can be sure everyone got? No one talked about it in here

anyway, want share what's so important was there?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: MariaR

if the dayvig could just shoot ram tyvm?

-nos

I can't do the dayvig thing, I'm stuck with nightvigs now

why would you want vig me on Vampire demand?

[Ramcius]

I need to nip this in the bud. I think RB's claim was an obvious fake

based on the day start PM that he did not realize everyone got

.
He fake claimed Faye and then said he did it to try to shield the real Faye.
He goes in my policy pile now. Even if town, the multiple lies are damaging.

what day start PM you talking about? Only PM i ever got from Fire was my role, no day start PM for D1, neither for D2, and how you know "everyone got"?

VOTE: Davesaz

because everyone was talking about how davesaz targeted SQ. it was also in the first post of this day.

what about Ramcius is town?
VOTE: Ramcius

davesaz needs to claim. if SQ targeted Tywin i believe it because i'm townreading him, but we need actual confirmation of that.

my question is about DAY START PM, i didn't got it, what was in there? And how he so confident everyone got that PM? I can read first post of day, i can see Dave have loud modifier, but it is NAI, loud modifier can be attached to any alignment, he can be some sort investigative role from opposing mafia/sk that killed SQ for example, or fruit vendor, or something, he's not cleared in any way

what's about me is town? Green rolecard i guess

[Ramcius]

except ive seen plenty of scumteams kill people who suspect them on n1. it happens all the time. most people dont read back to check the reads of people who die, especially not earlygame and especially not when people are going to be focused on the flips, not the nightkills that go through.

its super weak that all youve come in to do so far is discredit a dead player who scumread you and admit that you were fakeclaiming on d1.
who is scum.
push something.

You can't be sure killer was from someone they suspected, it could be other scum team trying "frame" their suspects, or killing them for being widely townread, or any other reason, i. e. it's not general rule for scum behavior and you can't use it as general rule for scumhunting

[Ramcius]

someone killing a player or not is technically NAI, because a town vig could have done it. just because a true would make dave here scum doesn't change that it's not an alignment-indicative question.
that's what i'm thinking. otherwise it could be used to check another claim, but i don't kmow of anything better.
i don't have a tonlwnread on Peregrine exactly, but i'm trying to look for someone i at least lean scum on first. if Ramcius is actually like this normally i might switch, but his attitude and the way he's been responding to criticism keep pinging me.

Several people telling you i'm normally like this, yet you still thinking "if"? I can give links to my previous games, if you want, because i dunno what else could show you it's usual me. Ofc you can keep your vote on me and pretend you doing something to scumhunt, it's good too

[Ramcius]

welp, i was really sure Doggo was scum

VOTE: Tywin

this still is my top SR

"I was really sure someone who is town was scum"
"I'm still really sure Tywin is scum"

ERRORRR ERRRORRRRRR

VOTE: Ramicus

only error is you not reading D1 and making conclusions on my actions

also, pls don't butcher my name, ktnxbye

[Ramcius]

Hiraki, what's scummy about that post of Almost's you quoted, exactly?

Ramcius: all other players saying you're lynchbait does is make me have to work harder to find out what's NAI from you. it doesn't make you town. i don't like your play.

good luck then

[Ramcius]

welp, i was really sure Doggo was scum

VOTE: Tywin

this still is my top SR

"I was really sure someone who is town was scum"
"I'm still really sure Tywin is scum"

ERRORRR ERRRORRRRRR

VOTE: Ramicus

only error is you not reading D1 and making conclusions on my actions

also, pls don't butcher my name, ktnxbye

So my vote wasn't an error? Noted.

VOTE: Rammus

that's an extension of your error

[Ramcius]

VOTE: MariaR

I dunno if you play different on your alt, but your play here not look usual lynchbait as i saw in other games, but bad VI act, no real scumhunting, probably you part of Syndicate due your reactions to flips

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE:

so be it then

[Ramcius]

i'm feeling popular

can i hear what is reasons for my lynch besides me being lurker?

[Ramcius]

I could lynch Ramcius.

Don't want to do Scott&Ramona

Hiraki I'm not sure on at all actually

Care to explain each?

ramcius is very glib about stuff in a way that isn't very town. like i'd expect there was content in between, but there's not. just comes on to be glib and useless, then goes away again. he's not even the lurker he calls himself now, just a bad overall defence. haven't liked any of his responses to pressure or his actual content

i'm not reading like 90% of posts, i haven't seen any real pressure on me yet, couple random votes and random reasoning? I have no real interest in this game, as i said i think in my first post, it supposed to be hydra with momo, only reason i stick with game i imagine what pain is find replacement

Only think that makes me a bit interested is, when people try push for my lynch

i might be more useful, when there will be like half of numbers that are now, but for now i have no interest in reading all these walls, so i merely prod dodging

If you guys need lynch so desperate, lynch me, but at least be honest - "we can't find scum, so we should lynch Ram for being useless"

P. S. shout out for my scumbuddy Gamma

P-edit: Gamma, i'm not so paranoid, just not interested, you saw me paranoid in that newbie game

[Ramcius]

Ohhh, ramcius believes himself to be superior to us. Cute.

And rb is making some good points finally

yes, i'm superior, now bow before me

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Socrates

This is how you pressure scums, guys, not with posturing

[Ramcius]

Not chara, doggo, gamma are Tr

Doggo is dead

[Ramcius]

why are Gamma and i townreads?

Your votes on sly

that's bad reason, they can be on other team and still vote sly

[Ramcius]

also Wheme, it's likely multiball. meaning two separate scumteams. that's what Ramcius was talking about.

Give proof it's multi ball or im voting Ram

Syndicate rolecards

[Ramcius]

Uhhh what syndicate role cards

"You will win if the red dragon syndicate controls 50% of the votes or more and no other type of scum (Enemy of Town) are alive."

[Ramcius]

also, in game such big it would be bad idea make one huge scum team for balance reasons

[Ramcius]

@Ari: NF I cant tell if they're a troll or what. They haven't done anything to be called town, but I don't see why they've claimed cop 100x if it isn't true. That's like asking for a PL.

Dave has a loud modifier that let everyone know he visited SQ the night they got NK'd. He never explained what he was doing there as far as I know, never gave any sort of info on it? The real question to ask is why would scum have a loud modifier, and even if they did, why would they send Dave for the NK if so? Makes no sense, so prob town.

why you dismiss possibility Dave being simply loud visiting scum PR?

If he's flip scum, you'll get rope

[Ramcius]

@Ari: NF I cant tell if they're a troll or what. They haven't done anything to be called town, but I don't see why they've claimed cop 100x if it isn't true. That's like asking for a PL.

Dave has a loud modifier that let everyone know he visited SQ the night they got NK'd. He never explained what he was doing there as far as I know, never gave any sort of info on it? The real question to ask is why would scum have a loud modifier, and even if they did, why would they send Dave for the NK if so? Makes no sense, so prob town.

why you dismiss possibility Dave being simply loud visiting scum PR?

If he's flip scum, you'll get rope

Cuz I have common sense? Idk how to help you with that. Seems to be something you just have or dont have. Not really a learnable trait.

i could argue your common sense, scum having something like loud fruit vendor is possible, and i believe it more than town having loud modifier and not claiming - i wouldn't be surprised, if he's not survive till tomorrow

[Ramcius]

I think Tywin,

Ramicus

, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

tell me about this one

We just finished Timeshift were he was scumread most of the game, but I found him town. His play feels similar here, enough so I don't want him (of the others on my list) lynched today.

Why do you think he is scum?

So, he looks town to you, thus the scumread?
Was he scum in Timeshift?

i was JK in timeshifted

[Ramcius]

He is a scumread.

@mhsmith, Vote Ram?

Can you bottom line the case on him? Don't need a wall, but a link to where it was spelled out or a couple sentences would help.

He hasn't scumhunted at all, or if you're feeling charitable, hasn't scumhunted since pressuring me about my masonizer claim, but has a beetlejuice syndrome.

cute, my push on Tywin was much more serious than that reaction test on you, so either you didn't read my ISO, you are selfcentric or scum, either way, keep it coming, i will have good laugh in dead thread, either from you ML me, or from town following scum

[Ramcius]

Btw, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Ramcius.

My gift to you will be not sheeping Titus on you for today (that's May 23rd, not the whole gameday)

thanks

you can sheep, i don't mind

[Ramcius]

if ou think this is scummy from ram read day one of Surreptitious. His play here is extremely similar (including the beetlejuicing which is the main reason he should be scumread here IMO)
@smith im in the middle of exams. I have a break coming up and will be more active then.

i'd say my play similar to my play in large 201 (till like page 64 or so, after i replaced out), Surreptitious wasn't similar, i cared for game, i was pushing my scumread to the point where i literally 1v1 Nero, and i wasn't beetlejuicing there, you guys were spamming during night my time and barely posting during day

[Ramcius]

@smith/Titus: Let me ask you two.. what makes Ram scummier than ZZZX or Socrates? What have they done (or haven't done) that he didn't (or did)?

The resistance to conftown for me. Socrates as scum (well the only place I have seen him), he was actually more active than this. I didn't like his outward hostility to me early.

Has Ramcius still been a stick in the mud regarding your conftown status?

a) Titus not conf town, but very close to it
b) i don't pushing or trying to interact with Titus at all, it's pointless to do so with her current status, only she wanting my head for some reason

[Ramcius]

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

[Ramcius]

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

No. Rather it's the only read he has pushed and that was d1. I've commented that it's ok for me not to be conftown with Dave, but static reads are not cool.

I will post my own reads within 24 hours. In 48 hours from this post,

if no organic wagon emerges organically

, I will look through everyone's reads and pick someone according to Wisdom of the Crowds theory. Then, people will need to get on that person or pick some and cite evidence they are a common scumread.

considering scumread on you wasn't much of a read, i call your case just a bias for whatever reason

my scumread on Tywin wasn't a proper read? my scumread on Dave isn't either?

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

Titus babe, do you find Ram Ram scummy? If so is it the treatment the slot is giving you?

Yes.

@Shiro/Cerb, I'll read over what you said in detail later tonight. I don't keep notes but I can give initial reads lists.

Is it because he isn't treating you as conf!town?

what is proper treating Titus as a conftown?

No. Rather it's the only read he has pushed and that was d1. I've commented that it's ok for me not to be conftown with Dave, but static reads are not cool.

I will post my own reads within 24 hours. In 48 hours from this post,

if no organic wagon emerges organically

, I will look through everyone's reads and pick someone according to Wisdom of the Crowds theory. Then, people will need to get on that person or pick some and cite evidence they are a common scumread.

considering scumread on you wasn't much of a read, i call your case just a bias for whatever reason

my scumread on Tywin wasn't a proper read? my scumread on Dave isn't either?

I can't find you pushing them anywhere recently or anyone or doing anything to progress this game.

@Ari: NF I cant tell if they're a troll or what. They haven't done anything to be called town, but I don't see why they've claimed cop 100x if it isn't true. That's like asking for a PL.

Dave has a loud modifier that let everyone know he visited SQ the night they got NK'd. He never explained what he was doing there as far as I know, never gave any sort of info on it? The real question to ask is why would scum have a loud modifier, and even if they did, why would they send Dave for the NK if so? Makes no sense, so prob town.

why you dismiss possibility Dave being simply loud visiting scum PR?

If he's flip scum, you'll get rope

this for example

and you said i didn't scumread anyone besides you at start of D1, now you change it to recently? As i said, if you want me lynched, say it clear - you want PL me for lurking more or less, not for having genuine scumread on me, i can accept it, but i won't accept your biased bs about me only pushing your sorry ass for dumb masoniser/neighbouriser claim D1, which was merely reaction test, but not pushing/scumreading anyone else in this game

[Ramcius]

So I just quick skimmed Ram' s iso. His one and only push was on me as the counter to Sly. He called Sly null and me scum a couple times. That's about it. He also voted Dave, MariaR and Socrates. There was a bit of arguing with doggo at the beginning of the game (who ram called scum), a bit of calling Titus scum, and not much else.

He did claim jester multiple times and shit posted 2/3rds of the time, but no real substance. Even his push on me wasnt much more than going for the alternative wagon over Sly. Or trying to associate me with others randomly, because I'm apparently his only SR all game. He tried with doggo and now with Dave.

I'm ok with voting Ram at this point. I've given him passed because he was so scummy in Timeshift as town, it was unbelievable. He's just plain scummy though. I'm tired of giving people excuses.

a) you missed my Not Fury vote
b) when i pushed you, Sly wasn't even a thing
c) yes, you scum, and it wasn't random, i make associations from your posts, not making it from thin air

[Ramcius]

i have no idea, why Almost defend me like that, most likely meta, we played 2 games together. Anyway, my flip wouldn't clear him

[Ramcius]

i have no idea, why Almost defend me like that, most likely meta, we played 2 games together. Anyway, my flip wouldn't clear him

is there context from those two games that would explain him defending you..?

probably, Random was in Surreptitious too, and he defending me for me playing similar

[Ramcius]

Tywin Lannister - I have a hot and cold relationship with his recent posting. I go hmmmph going after scum reasonably and hard core, I agree with what he says... and then there are moments like... this post is utter garbage.

exactly same i felt in timeshifted about Tywin, wouldn't do same mistake again

also, you complain about Gork voting A50 instead of me, but your vote on Soc?

[Ramcius]

Happy birthday Ram!

thanks, i guess, better later than never, eh?

[Ramcius]

I think Tywin,

Ramicus

, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

tell me about this one

We just finished Timeshift were he was scumread most of the game, but I found him town. His play feels similar here, enough so I don't want him (of the others on my list) lynched today.

Why do you think he is scum?

So, I wanted to give this time to mature, and I just went back an looked over Timeshifted.

@Ramicus- you were way more questioning and probing and challenging in that game, where here you are way more defensive, and most of your posts are about the scumreads on you , and less about you trying to read other people.
Similarly, at about this same point in the game (day2), you were posting at double the rate, in a game smaller than this.

Vote: Ramicus

you named it - Timeshifted was smaller game, and i don't have so much interest in this game as i had in Timeshifted

funny thing about my scum meta - i look much more towny than i look as an actual town

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I think Tywin,

Ramicus

, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

tell me about this one

We just finished Timeshift were he was scumread most of the game, but I found him town. His play feels similar here, enough so I don't want him (of the others on my list) lynched today.

Why do you think he is scum?

So, I wanted to give this time to mature, and I just went back an looked over Timeshifted.

@Ramicus- you were way more questioning and probing and challenging in that game, where here you are way more defensive, and most of your posts are about the scumreads on you , and less about you trying to read other people.
Similarly, at about this same point in the game (day2), you were posting at double the rate, in a game smaller than this.

Vote: Ramicus

you named it - Timeshifted was smaller game, and i don't have so much interest in this game as i had in Timeshifted

funny thing about my scum meta - i look much more towny than i look as an actual town

Yes, but there are 2 flipped scum in this one- your lack of fervor at the smell of scumblood in the water bothers me.

For example, who do you think was investigated by Siblings?

no clue, wasn't reading after page 70 or so in D1, well, wasn't reading like 90% of posts

my fervor is in place, just my scumreads are either TRed and unlynchable, or haven't slipped strong enough to push them

anyway, doesn't bother you sheer fact that whole discussion turning around me for couple days and game stalling, but no one comes with good reason for my lynch besides lolmeta (i doubt any of you have seen my scum meta as i haven't rolled scum yet here) and me being lurker?

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I think Tywin,

Ramicus

, Gorkington, Ramona-Scott all town.

tell me about this one

We just finished Timeshift were he was scumread most of the game, but I found him town. His play feels similar here, enough so I don't want him (of the others on my list) lynched today.

Why do you think he is scum?

So, I wanted to give this time to mature, and I just went back an looked over Timeshifted.

@Ramicus- you were way more questioning and probing and challenging in that game, where here you are way more defensive, and most of your posts are about the scumreads on you , and less about you trying to read other people.
Similarly, at about this same point in the game (day2), you were posting at double the rate, in a game smaller than this.

Vote: Ramicus

you named it - Timeshifted was smaller game, and i don't have so much interest in this game as i had in Timeshifted

funny thing about my scum meta - i look much more towny than i look as an actual town

Yes, but there are 2 flipped scum in this one- your lack of fervor at the smell of scumblood in the water bothers me.

For example, who do you think was investigated by Siblings?

no clue, wasn't reading after page 70 or so in D1, well, wasn't reading like 90% of posts

my fervor is in place, just my scumreads are either TRed and unlynchable, or haven't slipped strong enough to push them

anyway, doesn't bother you sheer fact that whole discussion turning around me for couple days and game stalling, but no one comes with good reason for my lynch besides lolmeta (i doubt any of you have seen my scum meta as i haven't rolled scum yet here) and me being lurker?

Not really. Everyone was screaming for your blood in Timeshift, and you had no problem ignoring them and continuing to scumhunt and continuing to push your reads.

If your saying your town meta is to lurk, then you did it to yourself by setting the bar higher in your first game.

What are you current reads, in full?

Nah, my meta is to be VI

Timeshifted was different, people at least was talking with me, when i was calling them out, here it got lost in spam, so i just said to myself "why to try?"

I have no reads for half people in game, as for other half, as i said, some are TRed and no way i could push lynch trough, some are too weak cases to push

[Ramcius]

my fervor is in place, just my scumreads are either TRed and unlynchable, or haven't slipped strong enough to push them

anyway, doesn't bother you sheer fact that whole discussion turning around me for couple days and game stalling, but no one comes with good reason for my lynch besides lolmeta (i doubt any of you have seen my scum meta as i haven't rolled scum yet here) and me being lurker?

So your position is basically that there aren't really any good cases to be made, but at the same time you're town because there isn't a good case on you? That seems... like kind of an odd perspective to have here. If good cases can't be made on anyone, then why is it an issue that a good case can't be made on you, especially if you're lower activity than average (which makes it less likely that there WOULD be something substantive enough to make a good case on you)?

Nice try to twist my words, i'm saying my scumreads are townread by most people, so i can't push them, others (you included) haven't done enough for me to push for lynch

My point is that i have 4 votes on me including Pere vote, do you think it's normal? Game stalling, leading wagon is lurker at L-11 and everyone happy?

So, you say you can't make case on me, because i'm posting less than average, ok, then why me over other lurkers with less posts? Like Socrates or ZZ, or Shiro

[Ramcius]

Nice try to twist my words, i'm saying my scumreads are townread by most people, so i can't push them, others (you included) haven't done enough for me to push for lynch

How is that twisting your words? The key thing I was responding to was "or haven't slipped strong enough to push them", and I don't think I twisted that at all.
Even wrt you having stated scumreads that others town read, if you think the cases are strong you can continue to push, or specifically argue against the reasons why they're getting town read (Tywin in particular seems like a situation where, if you think he's scum you could pretty reasonably dig into whether you think SQ investigated them, and explain why you think SQ didn't, or why Insomniacs is scum with Tywin, if that's really a point of honest interest for you)

My point is that i have 4 votes on me including Pere vote, do you think it's normal? Game stalling, leading wagon is lurker at L-11 and everyone happy?

What in particular is odd about it in a way that's alignment relevant for you?
Like, if you wanted to argue that you're at like L-3 and no one cares, that'd be one thing, but if you're scum, why would your team be super bothered at you getting a handful of votes?

So, you say you can't make case on me, because i'm posting less than average, ok, then why me over other lurkers with less posts? Like Socrates or ZZ, or Shiro

Why them over you? Given the scale of lurking in this game, I'm fairly interested in lynching a lurker, so if you want to make a case on a lurker go for it.

I was talking for myself, you tried portray as i was talking for everybody not being able to make reads

I don't know what's happened with Tywin and Insomniacs, but i voiced out my observation that he might be scumteam with Dave

You say my team, what about other team? What about town? I'm at L-11, so people aren't interested in my lynch, but neither they interested in someone's else either, why so? There was so many discussions, huge walls, now just lazy attempt lynch lurker

You didn't answered my question - why i better lynch than other lurkers? And i'm not interested in PLing lurkers now, so i will not provide cases for you, it's you voting me, so i'm interested why you chosed me

[Ramcius]

ramcius, youre in a position where a wagon on you is pretty much inevitable if you dont start acting more town.
trust me on that.

like, your slot literally has compromise lynch written on it.

oh, i can foresee that, but i don't really care, only think i care now is how i'm gonna mock town people on my wagon, when they join me in graveyard

[Ramcius]

you cant be fucked to literally just give reads?
really?
you think you have any license to talk shit to people if youre town and get lynched when you refuse to actually play the game?

i don't talk shit, if i'm not provoked

i don't refuse actually play game, i refuse play game in way i don't like. If you guys have problem with how i'm playing, you can PL me, but calling me scum, and then providing only argument - lurker, is weird, when there are plenty of other lurkers, but no one want tell why i'm scum over others

P-edit: Gamma, he's on my wagon, he was first to follow Titus demand to vote me, so i'm pretty sure he's SR me

[Ramcius]

i don't refuse actually play game, i refuse play game in way i don't like. If you guys have problem with how i'm playing, you can PL me, but calling me scum, and then providing only argument - lurker, is weird, when there are plenty of other lurkers, but no one want tell why i'm scum over others

i believe the sentiment is more that youre posting a bunch
but youre not actually posting your thoughts as to who you think is scum
and why

hence making you a little bit worse than a lurker who might just not have time to get their head into the game.
if you want to counter that, start pushing something.

how that's different from me prod dodging and openly admitting i didn't read thread seriously after like page 70? That was, when Titus came gun blazing on me. Tbh, if game wouldn't be so slow, i wouldn't bothered reading it and responding

[Ramcius]

Ramicus, you say you don't have strong reads, so what am I to make of your vote on me?

i don't have strong cases, i'm happy with my reads

[Ramcius]

Gork

flavopr name - Zebra
role - VT

here you go

[Ramcius]

Gork

flavopr name - Zebra
role - VT

here you go

Great. Ramicus scum claimed that is literally the first post.

MariaR is likely not VT but may be EIN but I doubt VT because reasons.

--Math

dop you expect my real claim? i didn't saw 10 votes on me getting trough to put me at L-1

[Ramcius]

Gork

flavopr name - Zebra
role - VT

here you go

Great. Ramicus scum claimed that is literally the first post.

MariaR is likely not VT but may be EIN but I doubt VT because reasons.

--Math

dop you expect my real claim? i didn't saw 10 votes on me getting trough to put me at L-1

You can just die. You're at L-1 I think dude.

I am too lazy to do another VCA when after doing one how I was treated so no thanks. I will trust Gork.

--Math

math is hard, i know, but difference between L-8 and L-1 is big enough to see it, and i'm not going claim at L-8 just because some one demand my claim

[Ramcius]

vote: ramcius

p-edit: titus isnt really playing like town-titus and shes being cooperative enough that if scum arent willing to shoot her before endgame, it probably means shes scum.

now get 6 more votes, if you want my claim

[Ramcius]

Gork

flavopr name - Zebra
role - VT

here you go

Great. Ramicus scum claimed that is literally the first post.

MariaR is likely not VT but may be EIN but I doubt VT because reasons.

--Math

Isn't it Giraffe in the first post?

i think it's Zebra

[Ramcius]

i dare you to flip town
and be a shitter in dead pt.

i dare you with how youre playing right now.

you have no idea how garbage i will be to you.
:')

nah, i won't take your spotlight to be shitter in dead PT

[Ramcius]

Did Ram get hammered

i'm at L-6 i think

[Ramcius]

Gamma just made a post that said literally everyone in the game is town except me and PV. Am I the only one that notices shit like that and question if he isn't scum or an SK? Why is gamma so GD scummy all the time?

Also, VOTE: Ram

L-5 Fredo. I mean Friendo

Bada ching! I'm here all night.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey

Ram is scum. Almost may be his buddy. Maybe gamma is too. Yippie Kai Yay Mother Fucker.

Wish i could see your face after my flip, when you realize your read on me was utter trash

[Ramcius]

ramcius, if you're town you can't play like this and then take enjoyment in proving those who were scumreading you wrong. what's a good reason to townread you, exactly?

and Not Fury: don't vote people who annoy you. that'll hit town a good 8 times out of 10. just vote scum.

i could ask opposite - what is reason for everybody to SR me?

[Ramcius]

So why are Ramcius and Socrates evil?

Titus claim she was my only push, Tywin says same for himself, everyone else just bandwagoning, because they too lazy scumhunt and don't like my style

[Ramcius]

So why are Ramcius and Socrates evil?

4855 and 4857 summed it pretty well before he claim. The way he claimed and what he claimed (4935) as well do it for me also.

Socrates seems to be scum read because people are reading his lack of focus and little to no scum reads at one point in the game to be very scummy.

- Scott

Why you expect me claim serious, when i'm at L-8, but people lie about me being L-1?

[Ramcius]

ramcius is going to have to use an ic for me to not want to lynch him here.

like.

this game is a SLOG and its almost entirely his fault right now.
he isnt giving the most basic of reads when hes asked to give reads, he isnt explaining anything hes doing, he isnt voting or pushing anyone and he isnt claiming when hes asked to claim and is forcing us to get him to l-1 and waste time doing so when deadline is just around the corner. hes just pushing the same gimmicky-ass point of "THERE IS NO REASON TO SCUMREAD ME" while simultaneously responding to nothing else that anyone else is asking him about anything.

im hopeful that how gimmicky this is just means hes scum who doesnt know how to fake reads and is trying to avoid dropping a trail to scumbuddies. if hes town i have no fucking regrets dropping dead antitown weight thats making things harder to play anyways.

no, i'm voting, but if you disagree with who i'm vote, it's your problem
Mendelo al-Hedia (Rasheed), VT, feel better now? Will find someone else to pester? Or whole this claim demand was just bs?

[Ramcius]

Gorkington you are on the tail end of the wagon but you are pushing the wagon as if you built it. You are pushing it while admitting that ram is not scummy but antitown and at the same time you are absolving yourself of the town flip when it occurs. Sorry, you are scum.

you sound pretty sorry. o: i dont know where youre getting the impression that im not calling ramcius more likely scum than not. im just saying that if he is town i wont regret it and i wouldnt blame anyone else for not regretting it either.
theres a difference between selling a wagon and absolving oneself of responsibility for it.

no, i'm voting, but if you disagree with who i'm vote, it's your problem
Mendelo al-Hedia (Rasheed), VT, feel better now? Will find someone else to pester? Or whole this claim demand was just bs?

why do you think socrates is scum.

where i said he's scum?

[Ramcius]

thats who youre voting????!?!
!>?!?!#
%$%(*&$%(*$%&($*%&(
ERFOIUWYFIUGHIUFDSGHISDFUJHI

yes, i'm voting him, but that doesn't mean i scumread him, you know, people sometimes vote their null reads to sort them, but maybe it's just me, i don't really know

[Ramcius]

and hows that been going? any questions you want to ask him? any posts of his that you want to pick at? you know, the other parts of sorting that people generally do.

isnt it kind of bad to be decrying any vote on you while also insisting that your reasonless vote on socrates is for "sorting"?

you know, when i have deal with army of knuckleheads trying lynch me, it's hard to try sort people

Anyway, which team you are on - Nero/Sly or other?

[Ramcius]

right.
this is the part where we hammer ramcius please and thank you.

don't be shy now, your attempt to look good after i flip green right now wasn't towny at all, i bet D3 you will say something like "it was his fault for getting lynched"

[Ramcius]

do you think calling me scum is going to derail the wagon on you?
you should vote me.
im sure you and pris could probably singlehandedly get the job done.
(:

no, i don't, i'm just making sure you going down tomorrow

[Ramcius]

vote: ramcius

woops i forgot that i was joking.

i thought you unvoted to hammer me later

[Ramcius]

Off topic:

I just got a job! *Hooray Mathy dance*

Bad news expect my posting to go way down.

-- Math head obviously

Congrats! We will celebrate this glorious achievement with the death of this scum Ramcius! Tomorrow, we shall feed his body to the crows, and scum RandomMidget shall have his turn on the gallows! 9 days shall he hang from the tree Yggdrasil. Rattatosk shall teabag his face. Odins spear shall pierce his side, and Thors hammer shalt pound his balls into dust. We shall sacrifice all the scum until the gods are appeased.

nah, i'm going to Valhalla, Random won't be lynched, but you'll be, after that scumfuck Gork, and both of you will hang till Ragnarok

[Ramcius]

i think ive been pretty clear on my thoughts on what little youve posted in the game so far.
not sure why it would shock you that i think youre a better lurker lynch than people who havent been here.

and im saying that youre closer to a lurker lynch than socrates who is here and is actually posting game-related content.

No your were not. Dont fucking lie to me here.

I Iso'd you with Cntl-F ZZZX. mentioned 4 times with any relevance and 4 times that mean nothing

all 4 times you talked that:

1- Wanted to hear more from me

2- Might be a deadline Lynch

3- Would be a deadline lynch

4- Your last post



Am I wrong?

If I am then show it.

he's just scum trying get lurker ML

[Ramcius]

actually i take it back, zzzx might just not be reading into how annoyed i was at how he was posting at the time.
ramcius is still dying.
primarily because hes pretty obviously just trying to troll me.

i'm not trolling you anymore, i genuine think you are scumfuck

[Ramcius]

Ramcius why do you scumread Gork

demanded for my claim, when i was L-8, i don't see that a town move, especially, when he had no intention to change his vote, unless i would claim something big, but who would claim big PR at L-8?

He's openly admitting now i'm PL, not scum lynch anymore, he realized i'm not flipping scum, but he need ML

Whole this posturing from him isn't towny, it's scum trying save their ass from coming ML

[Ramcius]

pls board my shiny new wagen

I thought you scumread Ram, am I remembering? We can get precilla tomorrow. (or maybe Almost maybe?)

Ramicus, please reconcile the following two posts:

thats who youre voting????!?!
!>?!?!#
%$%(*&$%(*$%&($*%&(
ERFOIUWYFIUGHIUFDSGHISDFUJHI

yes, i'm voting him, but that doesn't mean i scumread him, you know, people sometimes vote their null reads to sort them, but maybe it's just me, i don't really know

Ramicus, you say you don't have strong reads, so what am I to make of your vote on me?

i don't have strong cases, i'm happy with my reads

Also, forgive the awkward question, but is English your first language?

my vote on you was pressure/reaction test, as i said alongside with my vote

no, English isn't my first language, i know, my grammar is awful

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

pls board my shiny new wagen

I thought you scumread Ram, am I remembering? We can get precilla tomorrow. (or maybe Almost maybe?)

Ramicus, please reconcile the following two posts:

thats who youre voting????!?!
!>?!?!#
%$%(*&$%(*$%&($*%&(
ERFOIUWYFIUGHIUFDSGHISDFUJHI

yes, i'm voting him, but that doesn't mean i scumread him, you know, people sometimes vote their null reads to sort them, but maybe it's just me, i don't really know

Ramicus, you say you don't have strong reads, so what am I to make of your vote on me?

i don't have strong cases, i'm happy with my reads

Also, forgive the awkward question, but is English your first language?

my vote on you was pressure/reaction test, as i said alongside with my vote

no, English isn't my first language, i know, my grammar is awful

My intent isn't to give you shit, I just noticed oddities in your word usage I associate with non-english speakers (editor here) and it occured to me to wonder it some of the miscommunication here is due to a language barrier.

What do you feel your pressure has accomplished? Has your perception of me changed at all?

i didn't paid much attention to anything after everyone came after me - there's no pressure, when someone else is pushed hard

[Ramcius]

How about we take a moment and do that, then?

I am genuinely curious to see your thoughts.

why you curious about mine read on you?

[Ramcius]

Because I want you to demonstrate curiosity and a show that you actually had something in mind when you voted me.

i'm not scumreading you, i'd say slight townlean

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Gork

[Ramcius]

Nah I'm not one to lynch over avatars in any situation. I also wouldn't lynch you rn since I still townread you.
Don't know what neutral means.

neutral is 3p

[Ramcius]

We have three days left. Either get on ram or defend him claiming the sample PM.

that claim was a joke, for whoever took it serious, it's not my problem

also, guess you missed my claim - Mendelo al-Hedia (Rasheed)Mendelo al-Hedia (Rasheed) i'm VT, rolecard says just Vanilla as a role

[Ramcius]

The sample pm claim is sorta stupid. As in, it's stupid of anyone to think it means anything. I'll be back in a moment, going to check what the votes on him were like at the time of that claim.

it was L-8 with Gork shouting "claim! you at L-1"

[Ramcius]

If an ISO is empty then they are null.

That list is just bad. We lynch Ramicus who is caught scum today and Priscilla mentions where they are caught up to in Priscilla's next post.

--Math

i can't understand - bad town or posturing scumfuck

[Ramcius]

you forgot to call me a scumfuck ram.

did i? ok, you scumfuck too, and i'm pretty sure you're Syndicate

[Ramcius]

No
I think his push on Math is actually scummy
We just can't seem to agree on him can we

that wasn't push at all, he's not on my scum list, but he's so confident that i will going flip scum that i couldn't resist to make a joke

[Ramcius]

my scumreads atm are Tywin with Dave as a team, Master Vampire, Smith, Gork

Inso isn't on my list, but they can die for all i care, didn't noticed them being useful (i haven't read like half thread, so i might be wrong on this about their usefulness)

[Ramcius]

my scumreads atm are Tywin with Dave as a team, Master Vampire, Smith, Gork

Inso isn't on my list, but they can die for all i care, didn't noticed them being useful (i haven't read like half thread, so i might be wrong on this about their usefulness)

Lol am I being associated with Dave now too? Randommidget said it was with msmith. Oh. I see now. They both think this is the scum team. Hi Dave. Hi msmith. Hi MV. Hi Gork.

What's interesting is SQ could have investigated only a couple slots. One is MV. One is me. Maybe a couple others. So what ram and randommidget and players like this are saying is that they don't care that it came back inno, let's call anyone that could have been cleared as scum, because that sure is a townie move!

Honestly, ram is so full of shit that there's no way he's town. He needs to go.

good morning, sunshine, i was calling you and Dave, when you said he can't be scum, because loud modifier, and i remember we had some discussion on it, yet you pretend like i say it first time

[Ramcius]

Regardless, your scum team sucks. Those are some shitty reads.

wish i had one, i'm not as lucky as you

and i hear that often enough to keep my reads to myself, but as you probably noticed, people were demanding for my reads, so i posted them, as for them being on point or not, i will know soon, you will have to wait

[Ramcius]

Regardless, your scum team sucks. Those are some shitty reads.

wish i had one, i'm not as lucky as you

and i hear that often enough to keep my reads to myself, but as you probably noticed, people were demanding for my reads, so i posted them, as for them being on point or not, i will know soon, you will have to wait

Ram do you have a scum game for me to look at of yours? All I can find are town ones.

not in here

[Ramcius]

Ram, who would you honestly push other than yourself, besides me? I'm not gonna push myself, sorry, and you think I'm just associated with everyone right?

So why no push on msmith, or dave, or MV, or whomever? Gork won't work, so I think you know better than that. Still, MV or dave or msmith are SR enough to maybe work, so why haven't you pushed them? Like at all?

Because i wasn't interested that much in this game to go all out and push weak cases

[Ramcius]

Ram, who would you honestly push other than yourself, besides me? I'm not gonna push myself, sorry, and you think I'm just associated with everyone right?

So why no push on msmith, or dave, or MV, or whomever? Gork won't work, so I think you know better than that. Still, MV or dave or msmith are SR enough to maybe work, so why haven't you pushed them? Like at all?

Because i wasn't interested that much in this game to go all out and push weak cases

So you'd rather be lynched yourself, a guaranteed hit to your team, than risk pushing town with a weak case?

a) how you know all they are town? Cause i don't
b) my team want my head, so they can have it, i will bring popcorn and watch drama on dawn of D3 for who was responsible for my ML

[Ramcius]

-he doesn't know how to do that convincingly, and might think calling you/insomniac scum looks like hunting.

-He might have slipped being non-red-scum and is genuinely bad at hunting the other team.

-He might really be the designated bus, and is taking one for the team.

Look at how hard it was to get him to articulate a read on me, and the level of thought that it had.

again, why do that to me and insom when it has 0 chance of succeeding instead of on tywin, or priscila, or you, or most people that arent as unlynchable as insom and i are?
and the half-assedness of both pushes there doesnt really strike me as someone who thinks hes going to actually come across as genuine in doing so.
i dont see how those explanations take that into account.
i guess maybe just the idea of potentially linking himself with easier to lynch slots instead of clearing them in the event that he does get lynched?
:/

i will tell 3rd (?) time - i don't SR Inso, and neither i tried push them, i think that was my only post about them, so why you insisting on it?

[Ramcius]

i think u suck.
my gut tells me so.

pedit: so youre planning on watching yourself then?

i will be dead, so i will not be able participate

[Ramcius]

you still poked insom saying "bad or scum?" and are still implying you would lynch them for being bad? even as a joke, youre still riling them up in a dumb as fuck way.

i don't care, if they get lynched or not, that was my response to Math posturing how sure he is i will flip scum

P-edit: sure, but we both know you won't flip town

[Ramcius]

Ram, who would you honestly push other than yourself, besides me? I'm not gonna push myself, sorry, and you think I'm just associated with everyone right?

So why no push on msmith, or dave, or MV, or whomever? Gork won't work, so I think you know better than that. Still, MV or dave or msmith are SR enough to maybe work, so why haven't you pushed them? Like at all?

Because i wasn't interested that much in this game to go all out and push weak cases

So you'd rather be lynched yourself, a guaranteed hit to your team, than risk pushing town with a weak case?

a) how you know all they are town? Cause i don't
b) my team want my head, so they can have it, i will bring popcorn and watch drama on dawn of D3 for who was responsible for my ML

A weak case on someone is only weak because you can't establish sufficient reason to believe that individual is scum. If you're not willing to push someone with a weak case on them, it means you aren't convinced they're scum, which means you're more willing to let yourself be lynched, a 100% mislynch if you're town, than push a lynch that may reflect poorly on you in the future on someone who, from your perspective, has a less than 100% chance of being town.

Does it make sense when I phrase it that way?

it's not about what i believe, it's about everyone else not believing me

So, if i say someone is scum, because i feel something is off in their posts, will you follow my lead to lynch that person? You think other people in this game would?

I doubt either answer is yes

P-edit: VOTE: Ramcius

let's make it L-1

[Ramcius]

Rammy unvote plzz

there's enough people to hammer me anyway, it's not like miraculously someone else gets lynched today

[Ramcius]

Ram, a lynch on you could easily be prevented if the right voices put the time in. I believe it's time for your real claim though, since you're at l-1, and this post is intent to hammer the fuck out of you if you don't claim.

just for you, 3rd time - Mendelo al-Hedia (Rasheed), VT

[Ramcius]

Lolhammwred.

This is why you don't wait to claim til L1 in large games.

yes, and that's why i claimed at L-3, so what's your point?

[Ramcius]

I cannot kill at night.

so, you can kill at day?

[Ramcius]

There was not even a hammer - so did ramcius actually think he was hammered?

Smith fooled me for a sec, but besides that i'm aware i wasn't hammered

[Ramcius]

Off the top of my head, Almost, Priscilla, maybe Ramicus (I'm waffling myself, the lack of an exodus onto Priscilla honestly surprised me).

Random is not Ramcius' scumbuddy.

The crossection between Maria's wagon and Ramicus's wagon that isn't named Gork contains at least 2 scum if I'm a betting man.

You have only 3 scumreads? I am town and the other is flipping town - what now?

Why are you so convinced that Ramcius is town? He's not even sure that he's town. Even if he flips town, he's not doing shit and kinda just laughing at his lynch. I'd rather just lynch it and be done. Whew I censored myself a bit - don't want that ban

no, i'm sure i'm town, it's you claim being 3p, running around with fake daycop claim, being complete anti -town and still people don't want lynch you for some weird reason

[Ramcius]

I'm not voting you now am I? I don't even think you're scum. I think you're just troll town. Who would you have us lynch?

i made list of my scumreads, but apparently they all are town (according to Gin i think, others have similar opinions), so i don't even care anymore, it's not like people would be interested in making new wagon, just no one want take responsibility to hammer ML

my biggest concern is that there like at least 10 scums left (i guess 6 6 20 is lowest that could go, 5 5 22 would be way too much), but people townreading each other like no tomorrow with just occasional scumread on lurker or someone with bad reads in their own opinion. That said i prefer watch this from graveyard, as i doubt town have any chances at winning, unless scums goes berserk on crosskilling

[Ramcius]

lol what
6 each is lowest, 5 is to much
Did ram just scumclaim

you think 5 ppl per team in game this big is balanced? there could be 5 5 5 17 too, but i'm leaning to 2 teams only

if you consider this a scumclaim, then yours day/night by choice unlimited vig claim is blatant sk claim

[Ramcius]

Ok we can hammer now. I was considering wagoning another player but oh well. Considering Ramicus wants out regardless of his alignment.

If you wasn't nearly conf town, i could take this as a huge scumslip

[Ramcius]

Is Ramcius still seldvoting

yes, and i think it's L-2 atm

[Ramcius]

lol what
6 each is lowest, 5 is to much
Did ram just scumclaim

you think 5 ppl per team in game this big is balanced? there could be 5 5 5 17 too, but i'm leaning to 2 teams only

if you consider this a scumclaim, then yours day/night by choice unlimited vig claim is blatant sk claim

Yes I think it can be balanced: it's a fair balance by my 2:5s calculation

looking at roles (flipped and claimed) i still think it's 6 scum per team, or you are sk

[Ramcius]

i dont think you understand what the word scumslip means.

"oh, i was going push someone else, but since you want die so much, i will don't bother", consider we almost at deadline, and Titus posted it very quickly after my post, so yes, if she wasn't almost conf town, i would take that as a scum posturing and distancing from ML wagon, while still staying on it

[Ramcius]

a scumslip implies revealing something that only scum can know, thus youre slipping up and outting yourself.
being opportunistic is an entirely different territory.

i need to do some homework, but i kind of feel like if we're not doing ramcius, we should probably put tywin in a grave.
i still owe pv a fuller metadive on tywin, so hopefully when im back from work i can do that.

Titus wasn't opportunistic there. It seems i use term scumslip more loosely than you do, but that's won't makes any of us right, scumslip isn't defined anywhere

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Tywin

i'm fine lynching this

[Ramcius]

it's amazing how people can make big deal from least meaningful part of my post, but ignore elephant in the room - it's not really matter, if we have 5/5/22 or 6/6/20 setup, fact is we have 8 scums on loose, but everyone sheeped Titus/Gork on my wagon. Thing is, Titus tried push my wagon several times trough course of this game, but it wasn't getting traction, so what's changed now? You all giving TRs like free candys on really questionable motives, but are too lazy to try look for scums

[Ramcius]

Actually i dunno what to think of ramcius but hes making like zero effort to defend himself and in a way it seems like scum trying to outlast pressure by just being chill

It doesnt seem town to me. But i find it hard to rly tell because ppl have different engagement levels. At best hes town but doesnt care to try

i should defend against what accusations? That people disagree with my reads? Or against people simply saying "scum" without adding anything else to it?

btw, 28 ppl left, not 30

[Ramcius]

the only vote youve pushed is on someone that is currently not likely to go through because of "possible-sq-crumbing-stuff". if you actually care about getting momentum going, you should either be attacking smith's position that tywin is cleared or start pushing something else.

also, is it really fair to criticize the content of the push on you, when i dont really remember you ever pushing real reasoning for any of your reads either?
like, why is the push on you people disagreeing with your reads and just calling you scum
while your push isnt?

Why people are expecting me come with some big case, when i was lurking/not reading big chunk of game? If you want PL me for it, i can't do anything against, hence that's was my point to rb, why i don't defend myself

guess Inso is town, if i getting Ice cream person right (either of them)

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Ram

L-1

[Ramcius]

final reads ram?

nah

[Ramcius]

Eh
tbh just pretend that selfvote is me voting him
for VCA
If I'm on when he's hammered I'll put him to L+1

UNVOTE:

put me L-1 then

[Ramcius]

i never threatened self hammer - i only self hammer as scum

not night will be fun, but start of D3, i can foresee that

[Ramcius]

I imagine it will be regardless of your flip.

So Ram, were you scum?

Let me check rolecard, nope, still green

[Ramcius]

finally it's over i still laugh remembering people scumreading me for that sample rc fakeclaim with 28 ppl alive

Titus, my push early game wasn't directed at you, but rather at rb, as his claim was ??? to me, but after Divergent i didn't felt like pushing him would give anything, then you came along and associated with him, so i took it as a start on sorting you both.

Tywin pushing me for my "bad play" in 1 game, then turning around and telling people can't judge him for 1 bad game was a good meme Tbh i will avoid him in future, there are limits how much shit i can take and that was more than i accept

My lurk started after people ignored my call out A50 for his attempt set me with "let scum team to sort Ram", which would be ML set down the line as "scum didn't killed him, so he must be scum, let's lynch him" and reading 20+ post in morning to catch up wasn't something i enjoyed, was considering replace out, but then saw 3 empty slots waiting replacements i decided stay and see if things gets better

[Ramcius]

care to share with the class? not everybody was lucky enough to get Ginngie prods

[Ramcius]

https://i.imgur.com/dhI9skO.png


https://i.imgur.com/ObrsClO.png

https://i.imgur.com/p3SAyeL.png

hmmmm