Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

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i think they mean they know what you are asking about but dont actually have that info

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VOTE: vax
was hoping he could use softs to keep him safe then when he was pushed for it panicked.

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VOTE: ari
lmao
@vax idk what you will claim but its probs fake

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how about we ql ari so they dont need to find a replacement
VOTE: ari

i think they mean they know what you are asking about but dont actually have that info

VOTE: vax
was hoping he could use softs to keep him safe then when he was pushed for it panicked.

This chain is horrible btw.

The Ari subout was not bad Shiro...:/

nice misrep missing some of my posts inbetween

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i agree with Shiro here.

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In fact

VOTE: random

Random is just jumping on whatever he thinks will have momentum.

picked up on that did you?
*slow clap*

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i never voted vedith, have been scumreading smith and vax for a long time and found ari replace out scummy.
sry that i disagree with you on stuff but it doesnt make me scum.

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how about we ql ari so they dont need to find a replacement
VOTE: ari

i think they mean they know what you are asking about but dont actually have that info

VOTE: vax
was hoping he could use softs to keep him safe then when he was pushed for it panicked.

This chain is horrible btw.

The Ari subout was not bad Shiro...:/

nice misrep missing some of my posts inbetween

In the span of ten minutes you went from lynch the sub to not lynch the sub. You were even defending Vax. So yeah, I don't get this opportunism.

i was never not lynch the sub. it was lets lynch vax.

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that probs explains the NF kill then

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why would NF be roleblocked tho

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and didnt he shoot socrates then

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Titus, you are kidding right? It was the epitome of I will get one more day worths of life

Yup, but the town version.

https://instaud.io/11ZW

I am really bored,also I want the answer on the end of this cause I think I am.misprounxing your name for like ever

i presume it is the second pronunciation
otherwise ive been pronouncing it wrong

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checks out IMO

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vax could be ascum busdriver but i believe the claim

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cant remember who i was first time ngl

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im confused

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<3 hope you recovered or are recovering. I merely did that to get some news from you.

Today is the first day I feel absolutely normal.

thats good to hear you are better then

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im confused

I want to play devil's advocate to her plan, but I don't have the same setup knowledge as she does, so it's impossible.

i think that pv should be allowed to commute tbh
if we want to check him, do it on an odd night. titus should know this and its kinda shady she is pushing the narrative that he can never commute.

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there is no reason for the narrative that titus is pushing that doesnt help scum a lot more than town.

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good point
probs just a mistake then

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that will be alignment indicative

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cerb what happens if someone submits an alignment indicative question again?

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Both of those are AI style answers Math as they exclude scum by default.

Town vig or SK.

It is NAI.

Otherwise you're asking me to craft a NAI statement that is AI:

--Math

A roleclaim works as the AI roles are out.

Not claiming.

Not killing makes me not scum.

--Math

That's why you cannot do that.

You could claim targets eithout a roleclaim...

could still be AI tho

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sry i didnt mean AI i meant could indicate the role

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how about we put this aside for today and lynch from
ari
pv
smith
MV
may add to this list in a sec

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meh i think thats a decent pool for today (i dont think these people should all be lynched btw i think this is a good pool in terms of general consensus

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@random, I want to lynch Math if they refuse to give Cerb what he needs.

I think that pool should also have you and Vedith in it. Most everyone else outside of that pool has some kind of clear/will be lie detected.

S&R?

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fair enough. i was mainly looking at people who quite a few were expressing scumreads on today.

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ty

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lie detector needs to be used for just that - catching lies. and as insomniacs hasnt claimed anything you can't really lie detect them

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I wasnt aware random had any reads, it looked like he was just voting the flavor of the moment.

ive been scumreading smith in particular for a long time
VOTE: smith

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I wasnt aware random had any reads, it looked like he was just voting the flavor of the moment.

ive been scumreading smith in particular for a long time
VOTE: smith

Well, why? I've seen a couple people say this but with little reason.

tywin ties, weak reasoning, beetlejuicing
although he does have a valid point about wheme here so i might have to rethink.

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^
bc they are buddying titus

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^
bc they are buddying titus

How does LUV buddying Titus correlate to MV's read on S&R

what does luv have to do with this and mv is townreading S&R

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oh i see what you mean i meant mv was buddying titus

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i would be willing to lynch wheme today

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p sure there is at least one scum in wheme and smith

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Is randommidget confirmed town cause I think he's scum

i am.

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ngl i forgot who im voting atm

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you atm
will wait for next vc and then decide where to vote

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also if wheme is a guaranteed lynch we get an extra night of info before the next reads driven lynch which is a good thing

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smith stop doing stuff that makes me not want to lynch you tyia

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Thata why we should force insomniacs claim, lynch smith, and shoot wheme.

srsly did no one call me out for telling wheme i was conftown wtf

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oh right forgot that quote i agree with that course of action minus insom claim

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or they dont claim yet and we wagon them tomorrow

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or they dont claim yet and we wagon them tomorrow

You magically think it will be easier to wagon them tomorrow with more town dead and lie detector?

do smith and wheme today/tonight and you have my vote tomorrow.

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tbh im becoming more confident in wheme scum than ari here

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and when i say ari i rly mean smith

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tbf you were lying about quite a bit of the stuff in there. math is annoying here but you arent innocent of the cause

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math is a good enough scum player not to make the mistake of 4 and isn't doing it strongly enough to be a bluff (which is the kind of move i would make)

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i guess im not rly a big fan of claims that i dont think advance the game particularly and if math is town here and had a benefit to claiming i think they would have?
do you think math is scum titus?

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its hard to judge balance here tbh because the red team are doing/did so shite.
right now i have two ugh im hung up on these players as being scum and they are smith and wheme so once they are gone i can reset based on those flips.

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i may be willing to vote math if wheme is vigged tonight.

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not voting now in case stuff goes down and day ends before im back tomorrow but i proxy vote there for a claim not the lynch for now.
im not happy about this but i know im fighting a losing battle and may as well work with town for now.

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sry but i rly dont think onsom should claim today.

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or insom for that matter

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VOTE: insomniacs
FINE

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can we just get this over with please math?

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Inb4 math leaves the thread

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VOTE: smith

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i agree that wheme and smith are different alignments but im not sure on how confident you are on ari's effect on their alignment. I'm happy to lynch ari though today.

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math, what were you expecting people to do vs titus + cerb + gork? the only real pushback has been me and shiro and it was clear that the game would stall out.

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I have Shadowrun y'all but this game is pissing me off.

First you let Titus stop the game to a crawl spamming math claim over and over again. Now that I have you all aren't unvoting and those of you that are unvoting aren't even pretending what I say gives a damn. This day is so freaking scummy.

Tinfoil hat theory: Titus,Cerb, Random, Ginnie, Wheme, Master Vampire all scum of some kind

And please stop advocating for a non existent vig to shoot people. Gamma hasn't been posting in a while.

--Math

your claim was scummy tbh
you crummed a PR, used it to try and alleviate pressure on yourself then claimed VT.

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no shit
did you miss me pushing smith and wheme? you lot shitting up the thread was the thing hindering the discussion of other stuff

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tinfoil OP
it isnt possible to push people when a large portion of active town is dead set on one course of action.

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cerb titus and gork wanted the claim. who is this "large pool" that didnt?

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the vocal opposition was me and shiro.

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smith is one of the most likely lynch candidates today they don't count.

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ok?

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what section of vedith ISO are you considering recent?

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do you find it objectively scummy or scummy because they are taking math's side?

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or vedith is in a similar position to me where they are suspicious of teh mpush on a townread and are defending them?

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Lets face it, Titus, you just don't like people disagreeing with you.

Are you doubting I am town? Why are you deflecting my concerns? What are your motivations in dealing with Math? Why do you handwaive them with an insinuation that this is about ego?

I've actually been trying to sort Math and continue the game.


@random, So what? If Vedith TRs Math, the better reply is to let it go and say Cerb will lie detect it. That was the point. Keeping Math pissed and rambling nonsense only hurts that.

so you should let people force all your towreads to claim?

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why do you think the claim will stop that?

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what if they pass and continue spamming though

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explain?

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lmao

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smith is a better lynch than wheme due to policy elements of wheme

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sry i meant to add that wheme shoulod be vigged to the end of my post

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night wont end until replacements are filled.

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sry i meant to add that wheme shoulod be vigged to the end of my post

Again we have no active vig.

Stop saying wheme should be vigged.

Gamma is site flaking and replacements he is second in the list.

If you think Gamma can mysteriously show back up then suggest vigging Smith. Don't let almost certain scum escape a lynch.

--Math

smith lynch is more informative than wheme

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dave's theory makes sense with almost and nero flips as well.

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isn't it tho?

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on it

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Cerberus v666 town
mhsmith0 scum
Shiro null
Carnelian* Whemestar null
DanelerH MariaR town
Insomniacs (Narna+Mathblade) town
Davesaz town
Vedith Not Chara * null scum
Not Fury scum
Majiffy Drixx nulltown
Almost50 nulltown
Master Vampire (Nosferatu+BTD6_Maker) null
Tywin Lannister * scum
ZZZX jjh927 town
Socrate snullscum/town
Tarkus Aristophanes null
Kidamn Vaxkiller * scum
Gamma Emerald town
Nero Cain scum
Rb town
RachMarie * scum
PeregrineV null
Chairman doggo (Transcend + giga) town
Randomidget town
Titus town
TheRealGin-N-Tonic Ginngie null scum
Siblings Quarrel (Fro99er and Alisae) town
Wall Gorkington town
GinghamDog Hiraki Priscila nulltown
Scott and Ramona (Chickadee and LUV) nullscum
Ramcious town
SlySly scum

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did you have to go back to do that or did you just remember?

remembered. i have a pretty good memory in general.

did you have to go back to do that or did you just remember?

Doesn't matter he doesn't have enough scumreads. List is likely fake.

Random can be lynched too.

--Math

Wheme today.

math try actually reading

dave's theory makes sense with almost and nero flips as well.

What about those flips makes Dave's theory more likely?

scum investigatives/counters to kills.

quick random what are all your reads from

day two

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Cerberus v666 town
mhsmith0 scum
Shiro null
Carnelian* Whemestar null
DanelerH MariaR town
Insomniacs (Narna+Mathblade) town
Davesaz town
Vedith Not Chara * null scum
Not Fury scum
Majiffy Drixx nulltown
Almost50 nulltown
Master Vampire (Nosferatu+BTD6_Maker) null
Tywin Lannister * scum
ZZZX jjh927 town
Socrate snullscum/town
Tarkus Aristophanes null
Kidamn Vaxkiller * scum
Gamma Emerald town

Nero Cain scum

Rb town
RachMarie * scum
PeregrineV null

Chairman doggo (Transcend + giga) town

Randomidget town
Titus town
TheRealGin-N-Tonic Ginngie null scum

Siblings Quarrel (Fro99er and Alisae) town

Wall Gorkington town
GinghamDog Hiraki Priscila nulltown
Scott and Ramona (Chickadee and LUV) nullscum

Ramcious town

SlySly scum

i did something like this too, but not nearly as bad...

it was deliberate. I literally c&p'ed the playerlist and wrote my view on them at day 2. the validity of the reads is irrelevant the point is that i remembered them.

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Math isnt even reading at this point they are just throwing out random accusations

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smith is clutching at straws here.

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but what if you are scum tho

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other scum team might be weaker overall

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yeah that works too
an SK would probs be p stacked powerwise for a 32 player game

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Is there anyone here that does not have a strong opinion on weather there is or is not another scum team?

im not sure on other team vs sk or w/e but i dont think the only anti town is red team

Is there anyone here that does not have a strong opinion on weather there is or is not another scum team?

If there is, they are not only steamrolling redscum lynches, the redscum can't seem to scumhunt to save there lives, since they have shot 0 otherteamscum in 5 nights.

why would they be aiming for that though?

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are we lynching ari or no? bc i support it

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why the fuck is titus' iso 8 pages long

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mb i forgot to not agree with titus on everything sry

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behind every meme is a grain of truth
and ari is a good compromise

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who is strongly townreading ari again outside of vedith?

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blue team is titus smith vax and wheme + ?? calling it

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ive been considering you as scum for quite a while.
reistance to wheme/smith dichotomy implies they are scum and you fit the bill of being the buddy pushing against it
nice misrep tho

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Random what are your thoughts on insomniacs again?

i had them down as v high town but their claim lessened that read

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Oh and third, the scenario you just suggested what mhsmith0 and wheme as partners, which means not a dichtomy at all.

what?

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the dichotomy was on whether or not wheme or smith was going to be lynched which was obvious from the context.

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it really isnt

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the dichotomy was on whether or not wheme or smith was going to be lynched which was obvious from the context.

removing people who refuse to cooperate.

settle down there Big Brother

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smith: assocs to scum team. he has been pushing really weird angles today. little to make him seem town.
wheme: sus miller claim, sus flavour claim, not done a huge amount. thats it rly, its mainly mechanical which imo is why he is a better vig shot than an k

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also if smith is blue team wheme is probs with him due to smith claiming wheme scum clears him and vice versa

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smith: assocs to scum team. he has been pushing really weird angles today. little to make him seem town.
wheme: sus miller claim, sus flavour claim, not done a huge amount. thats it rly, its mainly mechanical which imo is why he is a better vig shot than an k

Scum pushed me as scum for the smith0 lot when I was misunderstood town in other games.

what?

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oh right i see what you mean. that doesnt invalidate the points tho

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sorry titus that really isnt a strained usage of the word dichotomy at all.
saying "there is a dichotomy between choosing to lynch player a or player b" is pretty standard fare.

That would be correct if random said only one was scum. That's how he'd be using it.

Gork, can we just lynch the obstructionists that stop us from getting wagons? If you me Shiro Cerb and Vax agree anywhere, then it should be lock scum. I'd include davesaz but his wifom is spot on right now.

wasnt i scum for trying too hard to lynch anything earlier?

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Miller claim and flavor is not a case. Wheme is one of the few players who are not lock town but willing to compromise here.

He's healthy and scumhunting

.

How? Show me actual evidence of scumhunting, if this is your argument. Not shitting out lazy or easy reads, ACTUAL SCUMHUNTING. You've made a substantive statement, back it up.

You made a statement he isn't. His entire ISO is scumhunting.

Second, in multiball it's a fucking given both teams scumhunt. That's a sideshow point. We both know he is. The question is whether or not he's genuine in his efforts.

I can but I'd rather get to why you feel like you have to be in control and wreck the game rather than things flow naturally.

You know random is obvscum priming to come after you right? Yet you refuse to engage there? You've refused to even vote Math to get their claim.

You refuse to actually consider anyone else. Why?

Fucking hell ive been playing the long game on smith havent i then

Spoiler: Wheme's ISO on page 2

That's what I asked

If PV's claim is remotely acceptable, I'll be joining you here.

Then I'll just lynch you and Gork...

What

VOTE: PV

insom's probably right that ari is more likely to be scum and yes im inviting vedith to come in and say "lol told you so", but i dont really care hes still a garbage person and im glad this is probably my second last game ever so i dont have to play with toxic waste like him anymore.

You call me toxic while I kept it game related... You just constantly insulted me with everything not game related.
You need to learn what toxic really means, and you should be grateful that I'm not sinking to your level of toxic, because I truly can.

You need to learn to accept when you're wrong and I proved this by pointing out your flaw in your top Scum read.

As I said though, you do you.

I'm going to lurk mode, because you know, that's how you avoid being lynched now days rather than questioning people

Been doing it all game

Aristophanes is town

That Ari replacement was towny af

I could do Smith but not Ari

Don't think he's been on site for a while

Titus I'm confused about your Bus swap

Ok but why them

Would Ari replace out like that if he was scum

VOTE: Insomniacs

Part of me really wants this gone but part of me thinks its town and RB also thought they were town too

Why would I claim my scum flavor though

Also, buddying me would largely be ineffective. I am pretty much putting myself at the bottom of the night action pick order to lynch Math.

I'll believe that Math could be a blue traitor after we get a blue flip (Math's reluctance on Wheme, while Wheme/Gin seem happy enough to pile on Math, is reasonably in range with what at least could be a blue traitor dynamic). Wheme is probably going to be a blue flip, and is still I think the optimal lynch today.

Your so confident I'm scum it's funny lol

At the same time I feel like you know I will flip town but idk

? I'm just not sure if your push on me is town coming from the POV that all scum flavor is the same as this game as it was last game. Or if your scum trying to get towncred by pushing me

You can argue that it was a good wagon and a good reason for voting me (which I think it is a good reason)

Also if I was scum I would of defended Jjh a lot more

Is randommidget confirmed town cause I think he's scum

Nah I'm making it to end game

Like I still don't understand why I would vote Jjh like I did if I was scum

Like I still don't understand why I would vote Jjh like I did if I was scum

Find me three legitimately interesting or solvey things you've done this game. You have >200 posts and they basically all look like boring slop.

They are boring slop. I've never really gotten into this game

Now tell me why your bringing up something else than what I am talking about

I am not fine with that

Okay

Also I think the major reason I've been doing nothing is multiball messes with my head

Also I think the major reason I've been doing nothing is multiball messes with my head

good thing its not multiball then

But people are saying it is

Hey math I'm not certain scum

Literally the case on me is that my flavor is the same as scums was last game

Uhm I forgot why I town read Tywin

I voted him cause I thought there was a guilty on him?

Whene, you didn't do what I said.

Go read the quotes I pulled from your iso. When your read on someone changes, please explain why.

Hint: you pushed Tywin as scum long before there was a guilty. Some nice town points you just pissed away with that answer.

I did? I forgot lol

Literally the case on me is that my flavor is the same as scums was last game

Case on you is you are miller and you've been doing jack crap all game.

Literally the flavor is irrelevant to the case.

--Math

The flavor is how the case started

So cerb, you want me to go through that Wall of quotes of yours. And explain to you why my reads changed from person to person?

Why do you guys want to lynch Smith

I want to

This is "healthy and scumhunting"??? HOW??? The closest thing to anything substantive is when he stated a TR on Ari due to "town replace-out", and the rest of that set is unending crap. And, for someone who wants to "work together", you seem completely uninuterested in that one bit of content he DID have (since you seem to want Ari dead, but not to talk to him about Ari). Why is THAT?

I talk to players as they get on. I actually agree with him on Ari and Vedith. He moved the game along by voting Insomniacs so we can get that slot resolved.

so because they agree with you they are scum. Gotcha

What the fuck have I done

welcome to the Carnival of Lunacy

What specifically am I looking for from those days

They are days with guilties that I sat on for a bit. We have 1 red scum left unquestionably. Who is it?

It me
Stsly though why is it unquestionable

I lost a couple of quotes from vac there but i cant be bothered to get them on mobile.
You said it was sus that i wanted to compromise on ari by quoting a podt as proof that you cut out the part where i said i didnt want to compromise of ari from. Tf dude.
Also are cushions for pushing scum redeemable at any point? If so can I redeem my push on tywin since day 2?

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@Whemestar, wtf yo?

@random When you stop insinuating that my reads are petty and vindictive, I'd be more inclined to listen to you.

Alright.
Why do you think I am scum?

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what about his replace-out makes it seem like hes town who wants to help his team vs scum? you realize that scum will typically feel more guilty about letting their team down than town right?

why are random and vedith scum? do you have any kind of reliable track record with reading them or reading players like them?

titus im p sure has a bad track record of reading me.

VOTE: ari
@dc btw titus is lying about being a masoniser. players they neghbourised dont get a confirmation of her alignment.

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thats not a masonizer then.

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thats not a masonizer then.

Does it matter?
Serious question

yes because it is titus lying.

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thats not a masonizer then.

Does it matter?
Serious question

yes because it is titus lying.

I was lie detected on this by Cerb n2.

This is scum opportunism.

You were low detected about your ability to recruit certain flavors to the pt, NOT about your role as a whole, and in a fashion which could have arguably guaranteed a "true" result(though I'm certain you were telling the truth about that part of your role).

I believe random just wants to make it clear to DrCirno that there is no mechanical reason to believe you're town, unless we prove singleball.

this was my point ty for explaining it well cerb.

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i think it is a definite possibility.

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just to clarify when we say singleball we mean only one scumteam with the possibility or SK right?

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I think gork already figured this out, but I am an even night commuter. i only commuted night one, because after that i realized im an unlikely scum kill and its most likely to screw with investigatives trying to sort me. Happy to make a lie detect statement on this.
VOTE: smith
still confident in this being scum.
pv is also a decent lynch.

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sry meant night two my apologies.

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lmao ive fucked this up badly this is fucking everHOPE all over again -_-
im odd night and commuted night 1. i realized i made a mistake in my first claim but forgot what it was.

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(btw i do this shit as town as well check everhope for reference)

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Not bothered to figure out.
Let's just get rid of them both.

I still prefer to lynch SK today though, even if PV5 ends up not being the SK.
This is the point where we are over-relying on roles and mercilessly lynching all the non-confirmed towns, and body counts can decrease very quickly.

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I'm happy to lie detect the statement to prove legitimacy.

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p much that. he was softing a guilty on me. im inno so i knew it was fake. i thought he was scum. wanted to apply pressure on him.

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my flavour is Punch. will find the crumb in a sec. I was expecting a Judy claim from PV which is why i pushed for that.

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who is scott

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oh s&r

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Boy I.am so dying ain't I?

ok for real i cc this

this was the crumb btw to my flavour

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what's your flavour?
has pv flavour claimed?
what was your train of thought on PV this game?

PV claimed Heavy Metal Queen forgot the real name.
I had a nullread on pv while they first got pressure tbh. Didnt really see anything that developped a read. When i saw the claim i though they might be the counterpart to my role which could potentially be a soft clear but their flavour nullifies that. Playwise they have been p null most of the game but mechanics make them a decent shout for sk.

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idk.
i feel like 1-2 more days without massclaim might be okay?
i kind of want to parse whoever is the tracker/watcher claim sooner rather than later so they have less room to fakeclaim while theres still roles that they could fuck up trying to fakeclaim on.
was hoping that was what random was going to claim.

Yeah, the tracker/watcher is honestly the only role I see much value in having claim, because with their results and everything else listed(assuming they weren't super paranoid and watching tracking Titus or something(probably not a watcher, because scum kills have obviously been on the obvious targets, therefore a watcher should have caught scum by now)) it might help narrow down that pool of potential groupscum a bit.

I'm a bit leery of randoms error. When he made the initial mistake, I read it and was like ah, he means odd night. Then changing it the wrong way, that's...idk. I'd like to believe random wouldn't make such a mistake as scum, but I've never seen him as scum, so I can't tell you how careful he is with his posts.

i would (and have) done it as either alignment. i am incompetent at claiming.

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Rereading the game is taking forever. Going to pull a Titus and just start fresh.

Everyone convince me you're Town.

--Math

good pushes.

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the classic lie detector SK

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from the player that brought you "random must be scum because he doesn't have enough scumreads for day 6 in his day 2 reads"

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Cerb could be groupscum here. The difficulty in finding Cerb as scum is that he will simply spend his time telling you true things in the thread. You'll only catch him by catching his mistakes, and sometimes that means the mistakes of his team that he wasn't prepared for. I'm taking him seriously as a suspect specifically because of the way he called me out. You have to understand that he and I have spent a good deal of time talking in text for the better part of a decade. Sometimes you just know someone. It's a hunch atm. When I have more than a hunch, you'll know.

The obvious thing to clear up is his post where he talks about his night actions and says he

could have

used his action last night to

prevent a mislynch today

. Coming from Cerb that probably means he could have used a 2nd lie detect to clear PVs day 1 statement, which if it cleared him would prevent him getting lynched today. But it might be an actual slip (and if it is, that would be something since he literally doesn't slip... finding Cerb as scum is a bitch).

the thing is tho we have guaranteed multiball/3rd party so there is no way he could know pv was town anyway
cerb not making this point is weirding me out tho

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that doesnt have anything to do with the mislynch statement though?

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I am? if i am then its moving to what i intended with the first post. the mislynch status implies that he knows what alignment pv will flip. but even if he was scum/sk he couldnt know that. i pointed this out but would have expected cerb to have pointed it out already.

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i believed you and if I thought you were going to be lynched I would have. also my push for flavour was bc i was expecting you have a certain flavour that went with mine.

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ginn does make kinda sense for last scum

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narna why did you not vote drixx or PV?

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urgh im bad sry

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uhh anyway
VOTE: smith

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Pending any dedicated re-reading of this novella,

Vote: Vedith

Also, more at the top of my scumlist than the bottom:
randommidget
Scott & Romona

Middle:
Vaxkiller-claimed role
Smith-because you guys seem convniced, but still havent seen whatever your scumreading him for

Lower-
Master Vampire
Drixx
Insominiacs

this is an interesting readlist. having drixx and insom at the bottom together is the main surprise. what do you think the relation and alignment between the two of them is?

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oh right that makes more sense then.

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having drixx and insoms as your two strongest scumreads in conjunction is weird. having them both as "could possibly be scum" works.

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exactly whichis why I asked if that was the case.

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it wouldve resolved pre lynch if it was activated at a specific point IMO

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with that much immunity invest basically become neg utility and i dont see that happening on top of double millers for town

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smith, mv, drixx, s&r, vax for groupscum.

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Granted, it's somewhat marginal, because we're really looking at, at most ONE MORE investigative immune slot to an already resilient scum team. The question becomes how much is too much.

@Random: don't think I don't see you advocating for a line of reasoning that also applies to your slots defense.

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smith, mv, drixx, s&r, vax for groupscum.

Elaborate on Drixx and Vax please.

Ehh vax probs isn't group scum tbh. I've found a lot of play rly scummy but his messing up scum kills probs clears him.
Drixx hasn't really done a huge amount that is AI and I feel like his tunnel on you was to avoid having to give large amounts of reads. Still, that could just be activity. I would probs say its in order of most to least likely group scum atm but drixx and s&r are equal

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smith, mv, drixx, s&r, vax for groupscum.

Elaborate on Drixx and Vax please.

Ehh vax probs isn't group scum tbh. I've found a lot of play rly scummy but his messing up scum kills probs clears him.
Drixx hasn't really done a huge amount that is AI and I feel like his tunnel on you was to avoid having to give large amounts of reads. Still, that could just be activity. I would probs say its in order of most to least likely group scum atm but drixx and s&r are equal

What makes the argument against your or PV as group scum not apply to Drixx, since as a gunsmith clear, he also represents another investigation immune slot in groupscum.

I forgot the gs clear actually. Either the result was fucked with(unlikely) or drixx isnt gs. I highly doubt he is immune

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Pending any dedicated re-reading of this novella,

Vote: Vedith

Also, more at the top of my scumlist than the bottom:
randommidget
Scott & Romona

Middle:
Vaxkiller-claimed role
Smith-because you guys seem convniced, but still havent seen whatever your scumreading him for

Lower-
Master Vampire
Drixx
Insominiacs

this is an interesting readlist. having drixx and insom at the bottom together is the main surprise. what do you think the relation and alignment between the two of them is?

having drixx and insoms as your two strongest scumreads in conjunction is weird. having them both as "could possibly be scum" works.

Elaborate though, I don't understand why one couldn't have them as the two strongest scumreads. Absolutely no reason I can see why one couldn't suspect drixx of being the sk, and insomniacs of being groupscum.

exactly whichis why I asked if that was the case.

This sequence seems to indicate that as of the time of this post the idea that Drixx was unlikely to be groupscum was something you were well aware of...unless you had some other thoughts going on with regards to why you asked about the specific relationship and alignment reads on Drixx and Insomniacs.

Narna's posting at the start of the day made me think they weren't buddies. It was the specific relationship between the two

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iirc all roles that vax can screw with are now dead so he doesnt need to be leashed

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Should we be looking for groupscum if it exists or for the SK?

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My vote should be an explanation given my recent posting

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Sorry what was your role again?

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Oh nvm

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@ginngie can we get a vc plz?

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Btw i think we should do analysis on the current voting patterns once we get a couple of flips

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smith for redscum.
hardpushed wheme as alternative to both ginn and aristophanes.
tried to clear tywin on SQ's clear.
tried to clear themselves on SQ's clear.
had overblown and inconsistent reaction to being scumread. 1 minute "oh ya sure i am okay with being lynched if need be" and then next "wtf we're not lynching me you fuckos i am obviously town even though i am not obviously town"

@insom

Boy I.am so dying ain't I?

ok for real i cc this

this was the crumb btw to my flavour

Random could you explain this crumb wrt your flavor?

I'm Punch who is a sheriff

FWIW I have this weird feeling that random is trying to lynch "not PV" in a similar way that Ginngie was trying to lynch "not Ari". idk if it's because random is solo SK and thinks that PV dying really crunches the POE, or somehow they're SK buddies (two in an alt faction at least SLIGHTLY dampens the absurdity of any kind of SK being remotely fair given the scum roles that have flipped - ascetic full bulletproof ninja strongman SK... still debatably not enough for a solo SK here?). Kinda want to reread random to see if this is a thing that's popped up before or not, and if my sense is justified.

I've been pushing you for ages

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Why?

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I took no actions on D5 or N5, and I am a odd night commuter

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Can't be bothered with analysis rn will check in 2morrow

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Vedith case from MV was acc p strong
Smith pushing cerb makes sense from scum trying to dilute the townblox though.
P sure the remaining groupscum/s is in those two

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I didnt commute night 3.

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I'm also choosing to believe that the sk is gated in a non-day-modifier sense. Just a choice between killing and commuting or something.

So what do you think about the dr cirno death?

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Ive seen scum randomly go for shots on neutral lurkers for low info (e.g. EverHOPE btd6 kill) so ari is kindaaaaa possible but in the context of this game the chance is negligible with the number of obv town/pr slots

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Random has also been around onsite but choosing not to post here btw.

I'm trying to catchup but rly tired and struggling to focus on making goodposting here.
@question about me/insom, i think that math was much more passive in gif's game. they seem much more confident here. they are pretty strongly town imo.

smith you are probably town here due to the amount of effort you are putting in. sorry for being wrong on you. if there are any particular questions you have for me let me know.

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Now that I'm town, who do you think is scum/SK and why?

Do you think it's fair or unfair that I feel like you've had kind of a weird "I don't want to lynch PV" voting / pushing pattern during the game (notably today but iirc happened earlier too)? Have you substantiated a town read on him that I've missed? Have you been more open to that lynch than I've given you credit for?

meh. i've felt like there was bigger fish to fry.

smith you are probably town here due to the amount of effort you are putting in.

Given that I'd already been putting in a pretty substantial amount of effort previously, why did you think that was scum indicative in the first place?

What convinced you I was scum?

Why did you think I was bussing Wheme, while at the same time being totally unwilling to join me on that "bus"?

Why haven't you been doing any work today to try and sort things beyond just kinda parking your vote on my slot?

Why is your PV interaction today a fairly lazy

this is an interesting readlist. having drixx and insom at the bottom together is the main surprise. what do you think the relation and alignment between the two of them is?

and then when cerb explained it (which should have been obvious in the first place) you basically peaced out of the interaction entirely?

What IS your read on PV? And why?

it was the fact that you had already been lynched and continued. its nai before that.
lack of other scumreads, interactions with tywin and not doing anything to make me think you were town.
bigger fish to fry. wheme was always being lynched at some point, you not necessarily.
I'm kinda demotivated tbh (not game related)
good question.
idk probs about 70/30 town/sk. I think he has stuck to his playstyle confidently enough to lean towards town.

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I DID NOTHING WRONG
APART FROM THE STUFF I DID
GG YALL
ALSO HOW TF DID PV OUTSURVIVE ME
TY FIRE FOR MODDING

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Yeah i knew then. I decided to protect him in the hope he would actually start killing people at some point because with scum collapsing i wasnt too bothered about having the commute

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Ehh

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The double SK variant idea was pretty cool, but definitely underpowered. They should have been able to talk to one another(without that information being revealed upon the flip), and shouldn't have been mirrors of one another. I'm not certain HOW they should have been designed, but the fact that they mirrored one another basically guaranteed their deaths at some point given the likelihood that they'd need to explain how some action failed on them at some point. Add in my roles existence, and they couldn't even safely fake claim as just VT to prevent the mirrored thing.

Agree.

One other thought, it seemed kinda obvious that that they were linked somehow... almost(50) to obvious (like a red Herring)

sry im durnk and im just random shout-outing ppl in my thoughts

sry im durnk and im just random(midget) shout-outing ppl in my thoughts

Best posting in this thread

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you werent that scummy but you werent that townie either

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tbh the poor play from scum was to not bus harder. they shouldve tried to push the wagon or stayed off it completely