Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[Zachstralkita]

Your weird theatre has no real grounding though, TPF. What basis did you have to call the town terrible? We should have turbolynched you upon entrance for your reads and associatives. They're robotic and nearly awful.. even if you had flipped green we wouldn't have had to read your posts at least... the gork and spiffeh panel is the best one. Also, no one cares if you don't like shitposting.



I said already, lynch either TPF or Game Replacement. I might even want to move onto that wagon, but I probably won't. Even I feel like GR would be defending himself more as town... but I don't know that that means anything.


Wait, are there really only 3 votes here, 4 with hebi, because this feels like a useless wagon.

[Zachstralkita]

Ok, lets do this, Zach, WHY are my posts awful?

I'd have to tell you later. I wish Gorkington hadn't replaced out, cause he probably could have done it.

[Zachstralkita]

Okay, uh, here's a good chunk of your ISO I guess. I mean, I read it all, but I dunno. I just realized I have no clue what you're doing. I stand by my original stance of TPF/GR counterwagons, I guess. In terms of a lynch today.

Spoiler:

The first 20 pages indicate to me that gonk manipulated Zach into claiming. It looks like he used Arcade, either intentionally or unwittingly, to help him leverage Zach. Therefore, I'd rather lynch gonk, but I'm ok on Arcade.

I chose to include PV in the story because he played an integral part in the pressure dynamics in that conversation.

Several of the players in this game are treating this like chat-room mafia, and I am unable to process this much text in depth. Likewise, I am not able to chime in on every topic or react to every development in real time. I have notes on everyone whose posts I have read so far, and I am currently reading several people carefully. When I have another confident lead, I will share that.

This posts details mechanical "events" and factors in 0 of context or tone. Reads are weird as fuck. I wasn't leveraged into claiming anything. Like 4 posts prior to me saying I was the kidney I was like I'm the kidney!! or something. Then gonk was like.. claim flavor?? Then I said no, then I said... I am THE kidney... that's really all that happened. It feels like you've made a narrative here.
..

I've caught up since last post and also is Iso'd lasagna/transcend, rb/GR, and carcallilly.

Carcallilly posts almost all fluff. She could be scum hanging back and trying to blend in, or town with no strong reads. Not useful town, not immediately threatening scum.

The blowup between ladagna/trans and rb feels manufactured to me. At this point, I think it's a gambit and we could successfully lynch scrum either way.

Game is not a convincing town in rbs slot.

I still believe think is a good lynch.
Arcade is still possibly scrum with gonk.

Thus, i'm happy to lynch rb or trans today.

Trans will help me lynch rb's slot, so...

VOTE: GAME REPLACEMENT

On a strategy level, if town players could stop defending their friends and towareads, and focus on sharing scumreads, that would make it a lot easier to figure out actual mafia teams.

Right its a gambit, Transcend already flamed u for this shit but I'd probably do it again if you make one of your posts complaining about this game. I like the comic, though.

But in this post again your preflips make no sense. Also you read the rb kraska interaction apparently and it's clearly stated that OGI is involved in the interaction, but that hasn't seemed to sway you at all.

few questions:

- When was the last time you played?

I may have played one game of mafia in the last year, but I don't think I've played here for around two years. I didn't check before making this post.

1. If Carcalilly's posting is all fluff, how then is she "not immediately threatening scum?" You prioritize your scum or are you calling her null after calling her posting all fluff?

Her posts are impotent and superficial. She's probably overwhelmed townie, but she might be timid scum. Either way, she poses no immediate threat to the town.

2. Did you just call that whole thing theatre?

Yes, I did.

3. Does your GR vote factor in the claims? Did you already state your thoughts on the "CC" we have going on?

I think I understand someone claimed some kind of doc and someone else claimed some kind of doc and there has been a lot of debate about if those two kinds of docs could credibly be assumed to be in the game together. I am not factoring it in to my GR vote.

4. Why is gonkbadoop scum on their play?

He manipulated you into claiming your flavor between day 1 and day 20 (a few hours?)
Gonk buddied up to you right away by following your vote on hebi.
Gonk jumped in to defend you against Arcade's meta case.
Gonk continued to defend you and sheeped.
After you had softclaimed twice, suddenly gonk starts praising Arcade.
Then, after you and hebi agreed to a Lycanfire wagon, gonk suggested you flavor claim.
Arcade agreed.
You said no.
Arcade says "dunn here",
and gonk votes for you and shoots smilies at Arcade.
gonk says there is no reason not to claim, and you do.

5. Why is Transcend/Lasagne scum on their play?

Here are my notes on Lasagne:
lasagna: why me?, asks for vig, votes RB, fluff, ready to sheep Zach, vague support of votes, wars against zach tunneling on so 651, fluff, buddying to spiffeh, asks what spiffe things he would be as scum, townreads hebi, defends hebi a lot. asking many questions about meta, sucks PVs cock, tries to confirm gonk.

And, of course, see question 2.

6. I'm sure you have to have analyzed... other stuff, right?

Of course, I have notes on everyone who has posted, and incomplete theories here and there.

Heading out of the house now.

Scumposting or you don't read tone. The latter would explain why you scumread things like "emotion". Also, you're straight up just creating associations here.

The task you propose is not "easy."
First, you are asking me to dig through my long term memory and/or old games. I estimate that this would take at least an hour. I don't have that to spare.
Second, you ask me to provide an example of scum theater "to the level" that I think rb/kraska went to in this game. This is problematic for two reasons. One: I don't know rb or kraska, so I have no idea what "level" this is. Second: I don't know what YOUR definition of "level" here is, so you could effortlessly shoot down anything I submit anyway. For these reasons, this task is "difficult."

Here's you doing an 800 meter dash around Gork asking you a simple question.

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

so you have nothing to say to this?

Here's Gorkington explaining what he means. But wait, there's more. You just actually flat out don't respond to it.

Zach, can you point out an engagement that I have been running around?

I realize gork wants a response to his advice, orders, and statements of requirement. I will answer any questions that I'm asked.

Here's you acting like you don't have an engagement to respond to ^...

Okay TPFKAP, I'm going to ask you some questions that I would please like answered. Don't mind any oddities, I'm typing with my left hand.

i) Can u pls ? seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater,

because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.

can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater?

ii) If you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them?

ii

i) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.

Hi friend

What do you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences,?

and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail

what made you think that it was fake ?

can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics? please?

I. can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater

Sure. I think there are two explanations for in-game drama on that magnitude

1. Both people involved are immature, overly sensitive, and self-absorbed, and selfish.
2. One is scum and intentionally tilting the other in order to distract the town from scumhunting.
3. It's a bi-lateral scum gambit.

I think 2 or 3 is more likely. Either way, scum theater.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them

If one or both are scum, playing to their history would apparently be a great idea, solid scum strategy.

iii) can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics

Not offhand. I will deliver on this later if I have the opportunity.

^ And here is you finally responding to these questions after I... rewrite his exact words to where he doesn't shade you and put question marks on them. So you knew what he was talking about and you still, decided to not engage directly with him.

Uzi, what actions did carcallily do that made you think she was scummy, and why?

Narna interactions mainly. Self explanatory.

I read carcalilly's interactions with narna and see an easy town explanation. You obviously don't see this issue the same way. Therefore, the situation is not self-explanatory.

You decided to include "mainly", what other factors are you considering?

You have not justified your vote, which makes it hard to analyze. It looks like you are just bandwagoning because you are itching for the day to end.

The overall consensus is that's self explanatory. Just because one or two people might answer 5 for 2+2, does not mean the answer isn't 4.

I don't like her read on me. We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you.

I am bandwagoning because I scum read the play and the slots I want to get lynched aren't preferred right now.

From which posts are you drawing this "overall consensus"? If there is one, why are you going along with it?

You wrote : "

I don't like her read on me.

We only have one completed game together in which she was scum and I don't believe that's succiffent due to such a small sample size and

as scum you're not trying to read for alignment but more for how people are reacting to you."

So, you are calling yourself scummy.

This scumread on Uzi is terrible.

OK ok you SOFT BRAINED maggots let me spell this out for you. I'm am a town POWERROLE.

Is this true? Even this part reads like some bullshit that you made up cause I don't think you have any cause to be upset about this game.

[Zachstralkita]

I dunno, as much trash as that post was I'm enjoying the snark. It makes me want to lynch someone like Spiffeh or Game Replacement instead, to be honest.

[Zachstralkita]

You're bad if you want to lynch me

There is no other way around it

Okay....but you pushed someone's gimmick out of the game because you couldn't solve with their actions obstructing you, and then proceeded to not solve. You come back as of recently and then push Gork and PW (for having the audacity to scumread you). For a good part of the day you ignored solving anyone else besides Can It for a good portion of the game because they were scumreading you in paint without words.... I'd say we're at similar levels of negative utility atm.

[Zachstralkita]

It's all I can do at this point since this is probably a town loss at this point.

Like I've been informed that town win rates for days over a 100 pages long are %17.

I am going to obliterate you.

[Zachstralkita]

Oh shit narna got ghosted

[Zachstralkita]

When did PV vote Lily?

Who is Lily?

[Zachstralkita]

carcallilly. 630 this morning

Oh. I'm tired of these god damned meta cliques.






Anyways, I'm going to post less tomorrow, guys. Please don't kill me.

[Zachstralkita]

This site is full of absolute nut jobs

I'm taking my leave after this because i don't need to be exposed to this shit.

Nah chill honestly

[Zachstralkita]

I dunno if you want to lynch gamereplacement I can do that at this point

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: tpf

this slot claimed pr too

does that not bother you at all

The slot claimed pr at 3 votes in a post which we're going to make into a copypasta

and I still thought it could be town

The problem is every lynch we've gotten close to L I've 180d on so

but i'd much rather just lynch my cc

kinda i guess

[Zachstralkita]

In fact

and you know that's nice and all but why are we lynching with emotion and not with our fucking BRAINS

yes tpfwhatever said some repulsive shit

this is the ADVANCED MAFIA SECTION this shit doesn't warrant a fucking policy lynch grow a fucking backbone and get over it. people say hateful shit. it's a hateful world.

i like vedith as much as the next guy but his slot cc'd my role, and he has done absolutely NOTHING to make me think he is town. usually i am able to id town!vedith with ease.

this is not it.

let's go.

i mean tpf ~could~ be scum but my sr there is waning a bit

Yo u call disrespectful? it's disres pectful to put in zero effort hile simultan eously creat ing hund reds o f pag es to read with your t otal bla t her ing forth. Go howl at the moon somewhere else. Respe ct is earned, children. You don't deserve a mom ent of my time, let alone my respect.

I'm deciding who to sheep for the rest of th e game if you Fucking idiots can ever lynch someone whowho is actually a scummy.

Oh by the way, doctor is a scum roll in this game. Read the Fucking thread.

[Zachstralkita]

torgonitoh help

who of game replacement and tpfkap is the scum? 1 must die now

[Zachstralkita]

torgonitoh help

who of game replacement and tpfkap is the scum? 1 must die now

replacemans is badmans

can pick? is ok

VOTE: replacemans

my technical advisor has led me to a decision

PEDIT is that L1? but I've said this is greening? I hope I'm wrong. Are you going to hammer?

[Zachstralkita]

L1 zzzz fuck this day


VOTE: Game Replacement

[Zachstralkita]

if this flips green doc im going vig everyone who didnt listen

I defended rb's slot from early, I was like the one person doing it. I was whined at for something.

We powerlynch any of the last 7 people on the wagon

We don't powerlynch anyone.

[Zachstralkita]

TPFKAP is town.

Scum in Zach/Bins/LUV too.

I'm town. LUV is being a scum fuck, though.

I defended rb's slot from early, I was like the one person doing it. I was whined at for something.

stop voting there if you want arcade to live zzzzzz

I'm pretty sure he has been hammered

[Zachstralkita]

btw he's not hammered

please continue lynching him lol

its too early in the morning for you to manipulate my emotions like that you piece of shit

[Zachstralkita]

I hate transcend but I feel bad for torg and if we go to Carcalilly, then she won't fucking get lynched.

[Zachstralkita]

Should've just done Arcade.

Hell this Day would've been over before a 100 pages.

Stop conceding town loss. You can't defend hyperposting then be comfortable with losing when it happens. I'd say I can parse most of what went on here today. We need a flip.

this post implies he knew he wasn't hammered and thus spewed random bullshit reads when he knew he wasn't lynched when he hasn't spewed reads like that all game

GUYS

He's not really making me want to lynch him, but I don't want to move my vote. So he's probably getting lynched because we didn't lynch Carca.

[Zachstralkita]

I also ask myself why I'm lynching rb when his replace out would have been tactical still, and I said this like eighty times. But I don't really care because if this slot doesn't flip then Transcend isn't going to work with anyone.

[Zachstralkita]

Trans voting from just dislike
Carca being scum
Scum in LUV/Bins/Zach
Fuck you Venca.

So this means this is multi ball.. or he's town.


Bins PM is sort of red, a little.

rb was just getting stressed site world, and received a ban because of that.
It has nothing to do with his alignment here.

Other people have problems, he should have known better than to bring it inside the game and not have consideration for other people.

[Zachstralkita]

As in, it didn't justify the behavior.

[Zachstralkita]

yay!
happy memories!

GOAT

[Zachstralkita]

hi tpfkap

[Zachstralkita]

going to use the copypasta you invented dont worry

[Zachstralkita]

torgonitoh mvp