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@Eddie I don't really think you making that claim that me scumreading Wheme means I'm setting up a ML when you don't know my reasons also "lynchable" players get scum roles all the time sit back let me work ^^
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SEE DUNN ALISAE LIKES IT-I mean Kaito.In post 372, Alisae wrote:OMG you two that avi is amazing-
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Thanks Leon you're great. Did you have a read on my slot you were keeping hidden for meta or?In post 406, Leonshade wrote:I guess I'll wait before posting my thoughts.
I didn't want to out Maria in case she was playing under a secret alt, but her posting style was impossible to miss.
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thisIn post 505, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why did you even sign up?In post 503, xRECKONERx wrote:
i dont careIn post 501, Purple Nurple wrote:if you won't read pregame that's trash, because whether or not it should have happened there was a shit ton of content this pregame that is VERY relevant for sorting people properly. it isn't useless garbage.
VOTE: Wheme-
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Side topic, who did you send in a report to?In post 993, Varsoon wrote:
I already sent in a report. My issues with the Mulch gamethrow, if it's coming from town, are issues that are independent of what should be happening in this gamespace.In post 987, Not Chara wrote:i feel as though Varsoon's emotional reaction to things like Penguin's ideas about what "flavour is alignment indicative" means and interactions with chesskid were more intense than the reaction to Mulch's gamethrow.
is it my head or not?
I'd like to not spend any more game-space energy talking about Mulch.
That said, we can probably PoE a shitload of town around it, so that's cool?
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Yeah, we also had no clue who akira was, though he is at least mentioned in our role pm.In post 880, chesskid3 wrote:so I can't read the whining fest here but agree it has to die sooner rather than later
but I'm going to throw out a curveball
I had "no idea" who akira was as it's NOT in my role PM, but if you had put a gun to my head before :loldrama: I would have guessed correctly based on the number of people who thought it was funny to manufacture a townread on a slot that's done nothing.
Soooo this is why I blew up at Version and why I don't think Alchemist moment was legitimate. Something to consider?
I don't know anything about the flavor myself, can somebody explain to me why akira is a significant player in this game?
So explain more about these arcana?In post 1074, Varsoon wrote:I'll take it, though:
In the game, Akira and his allies are the Phantom Thieves. They are the playable characters in the story. This is your team.
However, you still meet other people who support your cause--these people, in addition to the Phantom Thieves, offer you different Arcana (powerups), such as Chariot, Hanged Man, Moon, Lovers, Emperor, etc.
PurpleNurple claimed to offer the Hanged Man arcana. In the game, that arcana belongs to a character who sells weapons to the party and has connections to the yakuza. This character, while a supporter of the Phantom Thieves, is not an actual member of their group.
Ergo, it makes sense for him to be town-aligned, but not know Akira's identity.
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I don't support people with arcana claiming it, btw. There might be more to the setup that we don't know about and presumably akira can already get the hanged man arcana from purplenurple
Really? This gladiate is grossly anti-town at this stage of the game.In post 1121, Purple Nurple wrote:VOTE: rationalnumbers
mod - gladiating the other hydra (rational numbers
this is scum. mulch can post again. I'll be back phoneposting in the morning and I'll probably make a case after school. mastina and I habe both been pretty confident in this, but this slew of horrible posting setting up their attempt to mislynch our slot after their policy lynch on mastina the townread didn't pan out is just reassuring. FTR, quick notes: I wasn't "shading his opinion". I was stating what my impression of Mario's experience with mulch was. I wasn't your hydra posted multiple times after me asking you about your read, so that's bullshit too unless it was just math in which case I apologize. and math DEFINITELY POSTED without giving yume experience, multiple times, so yes, that's utter bullshit. and finally, thst last line of your last post is horrible and misrepping. I didn't say removing mislynches, I said whoever was likely to be the lynch the next day, which is also scum sometimes.
I'm going to bed. this is not a troll so hopefully alisae will be online in time to get some actual votes one way or another. even if I'm lynched here, mastina wanted to die anyways and scum never lynch me without piling on so this'll be very revealing regardless.-
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In post 1159, xRECKONERx wrote:
Yes, there is a reason.In post 1011, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think your reactions to me are pretty natural and think you're Town because of them, so I'm willing to believe for a bit that you could be Town who didn't know who Akira is. That said, I'm not at all familiar with Persona 5 so I'd like to hear from people who are familiar with the theme if there could be a in-flavor reason why some Town would know Akiru and some wouldn't.In post 880, chesskid3 wrote:so I can't read the whining fest here but agree it has to die sooner rather than later
but I'm going to throw out a curveball
I had "no idea" who akira was as it's NOT in my role PM, but if you had put a gun to my head before :loldrama: I would have guessed correctly based on the number of people who thought it was funny to manufacture a townread on a slot that's done nothing.
Soooo this is why I blew up at Version and why I don't think Alchemist moment was legitimate. Something to consider?
There are the core party in the game, the Phantom Thieves, who all are friends with the protagonist (aka Akira) and know his secret. Those character names are Ryuji, Ann, Morgana, Yusuke, Makoto, Futaba, Haru, and Akechi. Akechi turns out to be a traitor/psychopath, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's an SK or scum out there who knows Akira's identity.
Looks like Varsoon explained this, nevermind.
FTR, all this talk of claiming, I'm not saying shit about my role today. So let's just not.
The whole chess v Varsoon back and forth looks like a lot of selfrighteous masturbation on both parts so I'm gonna call it a wash for now.
I still don't understand this ~QuIrKy~ hurt bullshit RationalNumbers is doing but it makes me want to just votepark them.
Ayyy at least we have a gladiator happening? THANK god.
@Elli: Okay hunty let's sit down for just a minute
IF Mulch is actually scum, he's SK not groupscum IMO because the ONLY role that makes sense to know Akira's identity and not be town-aligned is Akechi, who is SK-aligned not scum-aligned. (Possible that Akechi is a usurper instead of SK, I guess, but it's a long shot when town already has so much power)
So I'm looking at it like this... scum aren't going to get a full ass fakeclaim including info on who town power is AS A FAKECLAIM. hell the fuck no, that's essentially giving them the most powerful rolecop ever in pre-game for free. Let's throw the "Mulch is fakeclaiming" theory out the window for the most part
So our options are:
1) Mulch is Akechi-kun. This makes him likely antagonistic to groupscum in some way, even if he is a part of groupscum. It would also mean Ann is not in the game and two Phantom Thief roles are resting on one person.
2) Mulch is actually Ann and this whole wagon is pointless.
I think I would much rather vote elsewhere considering IMO it's way way way way way more likely Mulch is antagonistic to groupscum than he is a part of groupscum.
UNVOTE: Mulch
So there's a potential mafia traitor who knows the identity of confirmed town?
His play definitely matches that, with this flavor knowledge I don't think we should ever lynch outside of Mulch today.
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you are selfish and a moron if this is true. reading up nowIn post 793, Mulch wrote:I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.
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My whole thing on Mulch is I can see it coming from town him do I scumread him? No not really. he's selfish and an asshole for doing that and I almost want to policy lynch him but he's most likely just town end of the day Kaito scumreads him
anyone who tr's off flavor needs to stop right away why do you sr Mulch help me on that
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I fully agree if Mulch is scum that was planned to get a townread and he's smart enough to fake that. My meta from mulch is I remember one scum game when his reads were wrong he was being stubborn and this somewhat reminds me of it but I don't want to base a scumread on meta alone I'm fine with the vote given Kaito sr's the slot and I trust his read. Hopefully I can chat with Mulch or get something more from him after fully reading thanks for this.In post 1207, Ellibereth wrote:First off can we agree to this.
If Mulch is scum the play wasn't stupid. He wasn't selfish. He wasn't an asshole. It was just a decent play given the playerlist.
And as such, "the too stupid to be scum" argument doesn't work. He's been on the site long enough and been in enough games to see how defeatism and AtE effects people watching, faked or not.
Second,
I'm glad you don't buy the flavor shit. I can deal with disposing of that argument some other time then.
Finally,
I don't have time to go dig up posts and quotes from various threads right now, if I end up needing to I'll probaly have to do it later, but the way he exploded here does NOT match his explosions in his other town games and his attitude expressed about his play does NOT follow the general attitude he's had in other games and expressed in MD. Like I'm pretty sure if you guys go skim his stuff and actually try to compare them you'll see what I'm talking about. He tried to imitate it but the timing and the way he did it fell short.
The rest of the read isn't stuff you can directly verify I guess? I have a lot of experience judging faked vs. real blowups in general because faking these were realllly common back in 2011 and 2012 and this one just screams fake from experience. But I've calmed down and I understand that most of the town people here don't have that experience so they need to rely on comparative shit hence the above paragraph.
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Spring fever u-pick hosted by rc is what you're thinking of I thinkIn post 1322, davesaz wrote:Meta question, I'm pretty sure I have seen Yume before as really bad scum, unless I have alt identifications and/or memory wrong. Which game was it where she ended up being crafty scum? Would crafty scum!Yume take the risk of looking like bad scum!Yume as a way to soft clear herself as being beyond the point she'd make that kind of mistake?-
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Hint: they got warned by the mod for personal attacksIn post 1450, Ramcius wrote:Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?-
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One of the phantom thieves is a traitor though, I think it's likely one of the scum have that role and are a phantom thief. At least oneIn post 1517, Ramcius wrote:
yes, i saw, but it's weird to me, so i expect results from you D3In post 1516, Mulch wrote:
I wanted to go into the metaverseIn post 1514, Ramcius wrote:self watcher isn't top role, why you chosed it over rolecop for N1
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post 1399In post 1529, Purple Nurple wrote:
huh? where?In post 1527, Maki and Kaito wrote:
Hint: they got warned by the mod for personal attacksIn post 1450, Ramcius wrote:Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?-
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In post 1630, Yume wrote:Hey hey heyIn post 1633, Yume wrote:I have none yet.In post 1635, Yume wrote:Because you can't. My ability prevents me from being lynched once.In post 1637, Yume wrote:Sure, do so at your own risk.In post 1639, Yume wrote:However, I will say this: it's a bad idea.
This isn't something town says in response to 1 voteIn post 1640, Yume wrote:Be ready for consequences.....
VOTE: Yume
I think we are better off voting here rather than having a vigilante shoot here-
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This isn't true if you've been keeping up with the game; only phantom thieves knew that davesaz is akira is the premise we're underIn post 1649, RationalNumbers wrote:Assume Mastina had an arcana: Then from the sample role PM she’d know Davesaz is town.-
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See, this is important information that other people who know the flavor seem to have been withholdingIn post 1594, Brian Skies wrote:There are 22 player slots in this game. There are also 22 Major Arcana
Yeah I've been scum with her 3 or more timesNot Chara wrote:
have you played with Yume before? i don't know how to read her, but so far she hasn't done anything out of character. it's frustrating, but i don't think just lynching her is a good way to resolve it.In post 1684, Maki and Kaito wrote: This isn't something town says in response to 1 vote
VOTE: Yume
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Why?In post 1670, Alchemist21 wrote:
Please do.In post 1608, Maki and Kaito wrote:Can we wagon Kise? His answers have been trash to anything he's been asked.
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Stop trying to base reads on flavor flavor in any game should be N A I if we base a game on flavor we're 100% fucked the mod would know better then to flavor this game to hell as AIIn post 1803, Purple Nurple wrote:Is there flavour justification you tcan think of that would allow Ann or Ryuji to be scum?
I'm going to shoot you.In post 1809, Purple Nurple wrote:cause, again, flavour is alignment indicative.
The only towny thing I've seen Wheme do is ask about the claims in prep game and I feel like if he was mafia he'd have asked that in his pt (mafia have pre game chat I assume)In post 1873, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Eh, Wheme is probably town but his reasoning for 174 doesn’t sit right with me.
Luv's reads are decent and I agree with them? I don't scumread him? Yo wtf something is wrong hereIn post 1874, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Kise, can you explain why you don’t think I’m scum again?
the latterIn post 1889, Creature wrote:Are players refusing to hop on the Smocaine wagon because he's a townread or because they think there's no case?
All caught up and I feel the 2 other hydras fighting are locked into a tunnel and any towny line the other says they'd just glaze over or find a way to find it scummy I think there's a chance both are town and I kinda want both to shut up so others can talk given scum is most likely in lower posters who are just letting these guys fight it out
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VOTE: Smocaine
I know what I just said but a lot of my tr's are on the wagon and I don't tr that so let's give it a shot.
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Wanna start a wagon with me? He's my biggest sr.In post 1945, Purple Nurple wrote:Btw, light fos kise.-
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I don't see having a read on our slot would matter to voting someone you sr but alrightIn post 1950, Purple Nurple wrote:
id hammer him later but I want luv lynched and your slot isn't exactly a lock town read eitherIn post 1947, Maki and Kaito wrote:
Wanna start a wagon with me? He's my biggest sr.In post 1945, Purple Nurple wrote:Btw, light fos kise.
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this made me click my tongue mostly out of bewilderment you'd sheep a random IC just because they're Ic? I mean I guess sure. but having more confidence in your own reads should beat an IC so is RN your only "confident sr" at the moment?In post 1960, Purple Nurple wrote:
I don't scumread him enough for me to want to do that though. if you were an ic, sure, i'd play ball.In post 1954, Maki and Kaito wrote:
I don't see having a read on our slot would matter to voting someone you sr but alrightIn post 1950, Purple Nurple wrote:
id hammer him later but I want luv lynched and your slot isn't exactly a lock town read eitherIn post 1947, Maki and Kaito wrote:
Wanna start a wagon with me? He's my biggest sr.In post 1945, Purple Nurple wrote:Btw, light fos kise.
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I see no need to test her ability, I believe it is true and don't see the point of fake claiming it. Now the only question that remains is if that ability belongs to scum or town, right now I'm leaning townIn post 2069, Purple Nurple wrote:yume, I believe we should test your ability today.
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What are you even on aboutIn post 2280, Purple Nurple wrote:This is an alisae game. "Does this role belong to town or scum" along with things like "scum would never get this role" are not the way to solve it. #modmeta
i am more concerned with how being a lets call it executioner miller makes sense. but yume can be town for today.
Here is my interpretation of events:
You say we should test yume's ability
I bring up that I believe yume's ability and we don't need to test it
You say the ability can belong to either faction
You say yume can be town for their role
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What are you on about? There appears to be substantial interest for kise, including people talking about him a few posts above you and a few more pages backIn post 2287, xRECKONERx wrote:since nobody is interested in Kise I will join the VOTE: Smocaine wagon
This post really feels wrong-
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Not a get out of jail free cardIn post 2426, Smocaine wrote:Kise is v/la-
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Spoiler:
Just look at these posts, 1/3 of the posts are awful flavor speculation, 1/3 is making excuses as to why they're not going to read and post, and the last 1/3 is just meaningless posting.
PenguinPower has never really joined in on any discussion or took initiative for himself, he doesn't even discuss alignments outside of flavor speculation that is probably out of touch with how this game handles it. On top of that, for some reason nobody has really noticed him as scummy despite all his fluff posting.
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In fact, let me sort it a ll out for you guys, every single one of PenguinPower's posts fits into one of these three categories:
Spoiler: Flavor speculation
Spoiler: Excuses why they're not going to read and post
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hrm. This is something I can see myself saying so I don't know why it pinged me. I'm not fully against my partners vote but I'd still highly pref Kise/SmoIn post 2558, Purple Nurple wrote:For what it's worth Not Chara is simply a person who I justwantto townread because the idea of it being town is something which fills me with an immense sense of happiness. So a townread for me there, too, albeit one I can't significantly substantiate.
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mastina explain your read on us it's strange and weird you've played a lot or soon a lot of my games so the fact you aren't super confident one way is a question mark for me.
You should be able to go into detail on your sr on us (or me) if you can't I'm gonna be reconsidering my read on you.
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1) Feels too easy a lynchIn post 2805, Mulch wrote:
WHy do you think they are bad town over scum?In post 2802, Maki and Kaito wrote:scum 100% have fake claims sweet jesus. Also Reck is annoying bad town imo waiting for Kaito to finish his catch up
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2) I don't think he takes this tone/style as scum
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I can 100% get behind thisIn post 2821, Ellibereth wrote:woohoo updates
Scum are {Mulch, Kise, PenguinPower} + some subset of:
Yume
Chesskid3
Smocaine
Lil Uzi Vert
ChikoritasInAction
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Why Ram. Not Chess smoc needs to die.In post 3052, Purple Nurple wrote:Eli/dave/chess/creature/leon/chara/ram/smoc
does anyone in this group disagree with anyone in this group being town?
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Are we reading the same thing? They didn't claim role cop.In post 3137, Purple Nurple wrote:crier is probably scum
that said, there's no real reason to claim results eitjer way since crier only gets the game claims and not the real ones so it's effectively useless (outs town power to scum and doesn't dis anything negative to scum).
Speaking of which:In post 2970, Alisae wrote:I am also able to flavour track somebody each night
Looking at this stuff, it doesn't really jive with:Alchemist's role wrote:Customers (Modified Self-Watcher): If you are ever visited, you will learn how many people visited you.
This claim.In post 793, Mulch wrote:I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.-
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So... you've got no suspicion on mulch right now even though you say this or what? You should be campaigning for his lynch if you believe thisIn post 3217, Varsoon wrote:Probably 5 and an SK.
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What do you think about the part where he outted dave for no reason and you guys let him get away with it? Why can't mulch be the traitor you're talking about?In post 3340, Varsoon wrote:I'm not really scumreading mulch for the hard defense of Kise, and I'm not won over by meta arguments that Elli's made against Mulch.
While not a fan of how Mulch has approached the game in a lot of ways, I don't really see it as damning, and, frankly, the speed of the Mulch wagon has me hesitant to join it.
That said, I'm not really townreading the slot, either, so, ugh.
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We did what?In post 3444, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Mulch
If he doesn't flip this shit after you gave him the road to, I'mma be hella pissed.In post 3403, Maki and Kaito wrote:
What do you think about the part where he outted dave for no reason and you guys let him get away with it? Why can't mulch be the traitor you're talking about?In post 3340, Varsoon wrote:I'm not really scumreading mulch for the hard defense of Kise, and I'm not won over by meta arguments that Elli's made against Mulch.
While not a fan of how Mulch has approached the game in a lot of ways, I don't really see it as damning, and, frankly, the speed of the Mulch wagon has me hesitant to join it.
That said, I'm not really townreading the slot, either, so, ugh.
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Defended Kise
Defended PenguinPowerIn post 2532, Smocaine wrote:In fact, Penguin is a null read to me. Let me spill it a ll our for you guys.
Spoiler: I think PP
Spoiler: Is just bad
Spoiler: Regardless of alignment
In post 677, Smocaine wrote:I appreciate the sr, but I don't see why someone would be frustrated with Mulch or Chesskid as of now. The latter is playing well and seems like they will be a town asset.
Defended MulchIn post 2526, Smocaine wrote:
I don't think scum expected Mulch to get lynched after his claim. I think a more viable theory is that he was getting ahead of their nk/Mulch's cop check by taking his side.In post 2519, Leonshade wrote:
Out of these, the only one I'd take off the list is Varsoon. I think there's been odd parts to his play, like suggesting, then immediately dismissing a gambit to out all the Phantom Thieves, but overall I think those oddities are more likely to come from town than scum.In post 2511, Creature wrote:I'd add Lil Uzi Vert, Varsoon, Alchemist21, xRECKONERx, Maki and Kaito and Chara to my watchlist.
Possibly, but if Mulch flipped town, I would consider those Penguin posts null. They're only scummy as an associative, as I don't think scum!Penguin would have any special incentive to stay off the Mulch wagon, especially on such poor reasoning.In post 2518, Brian Skies wrote:Do you think Penguin can be scum independently from Mulch?
Also was off wagon on both scum lynches
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lynch thisIn post 3527, Smocaine wrote:I'm third party survivor-
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