Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

[Brian Skies]

I wasn't given any indication that you did know and wanted to see if you'd adjust your notes.

You were given indication:

I've read the stuff since daystart though I basically need to read ALL of D2 and over half of D1 still.

PenguinPower being confscum is part of the content since daystart.

Why is Penguin conf scum? Did I miss something?

[Purple Nurple]

I wasn't given any indication that you did know and wanted to see if you'd adjust your notes.

You were given indication:

I've read the stuff since daystart though I basically need to read ALL of D2 and over half of D1 still.

PenguinPower being confscum is part of the content since daystart.

Why is Penguin conf scum? Did I miss something?

That is mastina posting. not me.

[Brian Skies]

PenguinPower has been sent a Calling Card and is lynchproof for the day.

[Purple Nurple]

There's no inno on anyone

did Varsoon not claim Math is a PT?

I'm really lost rn.

[Brian Skies]

I thought we've come to the conclusion that PT != confirmed town?

[Purple Nurple]

I would be curios what inno dave has from n1, but of course that's still his choice.

[Maki and Kaito]

There's no inno on anyone

did Varsoon not claim Math is a PT?

I'm really lost rn.

Do you know what mulch flipped?

[Maki and Kaito]

I would be curios what inno dave has from n1, but of course that's still his choice.

Now is a bad time to reveal that information.

>Scum have abilities that trigger upon getting a Calling Card.

[WhemeStar]

Did everyone read the crier message? Whemestar, why did you think varsoon was the crier when he was a claimed phantom thief while the crier claimed not phantom thief? Who did you think was lying?

When did he claim phantom theif

[Maki and Kaito]

I think the crier is town from their flavour tracker role and mulch being a backup of that

We also have morgana hidden away somewhere, and potential innos from Dave

Town is in a strong position right now. Let's take out Smocaine today, deal with penguin overnight or tomorrow when we can

[Maki and Kaito]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

[Purple Nurple]

I thought we've come to the conclusion that PT != confirmed town?

I have to think about it more, but I think PT likely does mean town right now.

-We have had a godfather flip.
-This was in the form of a PT who also had a PT as a fakeclaim (Akechi/Ann)
-There are 8 total PTs. 6 left alive.
-If 2 of the PTs are used for scum (even one being a fake claim), it is very unlikely yet another one would be scum or a scum fake claim.
-PLUS, not only have we had a GF flip, we also had an ascetic flip. That is 2 scum who cannot be guiltied.
-This means that it is unlikely there'd be yet a third investigative proof scum.
-We obviously either kill penguin tonight or lynch him tomorrow if it fails. From his flip, we will know if he was a form of godfather or ascetic. If he is, then maybe it is reasonable the entire scum team is invest proof and we can throw innos out the window. In the far more likely scenario where he's not, then I feel pretty safe calling a PT investigation an inno.

Am I wrong here?

[Purple Nurple]

I would be curios what inno dave has from n1, but of course that's still his choice.

Now is a bad time to reveal that information.

>Scum have abilities that trigger upon getting a Calling Card.

Don't want Morgana revealed. Just the inno.

[WhemeStar]

Actually, I'm pretty sure I figured out a way that we could break the game and confirm every Phantom Thief.
Part of the Phantom Thief role PM tells me who Akira Kurusu is.
If, somehow, we could all claim at the same time, who Akira is, we could immediately confirm all the Phantom Thieves.
Of course, that level of cooperation and getting everyone to post at the exact same time so scum can't just copy+paste and sneak in would be nearly impossible.
I also though that maybe when we run someone to L-1, they could claim and also claim who they think Akira is, but if scum somehow know Akira's identity (But they shouldn't otherwise this game design gets real dumb), we could confirm out people before lynching them.
Of course, that does out Akira, who seems to be our most useful PR or something.

Oh forgot about this

[Maki and Kaito]

Am I wrong here?

I too read the crier message

[RationalNumbers]

There's no inno on anyone

Actually there is. On us. Unless you believe more than one of the Phantom Thieves is scum. Mulch flipped as a Phantom Thief and was informed that Dave was MC.

Varsoon checked us and was informed we are a Phantom Thief.

You have to make a series of absurd assumptions to even get to a "suppose all these assumptions are true ... then RN could possibly be scum" situation. I think this is finally an appropriate time to invoke Occam's razor.


Relevant quotes below from start to finish so everyone understands what Varsoon gave us for info. (Hint: RationalNumbers(us) is a Phantom Thief. Creature is not.)

VOTE: Penguin Power

Creature is scum with them.
Rational Numbers isn't scum.

Oh, d'oh.
I'm a cop with a guilty on creature.
I also am a mandatory vigilante. I killed Yume.
I tried killing Creature last night but it failed.
I have an inno on Rational Numbers.

If you preform an action on a Phantom Thief, you will learn that the person you targetted is a Phantom Thief.

Yeah, I have the same ability, jackass.

Oh, d'oh.
I'm a cop with a guilty on creature.
I also am a mandatory vigilante. I killed Yume.
I tried killing Creature last night but it failed.
I have an inno on Rational Numbers.

anything special about last night?

Lots of stuff is special about last night.
1. My kill failed even though it should not have.
2. I was informed of a Metaverse change.
3. I began today enabled with powers related to Realworld/Metaverse.

Varsoon has an inno lmao

He's pulling a gambit. Tomorrow he'll come with "oh, I don't know what happened..."

I got two results of 'not phantom thief' on you, dude.

PASSIVE
Phantom Thief: You are aware that other Phantom Thieves know your identity. If you preform an action on a Phantom Thief, you will learn that the person you targetted is a Phantom Thief.

@Mod: Does this ability investigate whether the target has the Phantom Thief Alignment or whether their character is a Phantom Thief from the game?

PASSIVE
Phantom Thief: You are aware that other Phantom Thieves know your identity. If you preform an action on a Phantom Thief, you will learn that the person you targetted is a Phantom Thief.

@Mod: Does this ability investigate whether the target has the Phantom Thief Alignment or whether their character is a Phantom Thief from the game?

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I really would've made the town faction called something different that "Phantom Thieves," because that rhetorical distinction is pretty fucking huge.

Creature's not a PHANTOM THIEF, but that doesn't make him guilty.
He is BP though, and that combined with not being a Phantom Thief

does

ping me really hard.

~Drixx

P.S. - Nice to see you back in the game Mastina. Now that you should be able to eradicate paranoia about us, we can finally work together.

[Purple Nurple]

Am I wrong here?

I too read the crier message

What about it?

[Brian Skies]

I thought we've come to the conclusion that PT != confirmed town?

I have to think about it more, but I think PT likely does mean town right now.

-We have had a godfather flip.
-This was in the form of a PT who also had a PT as a fakeclaim (Akechi/Ann)
-There are 8 total PTs. 6 left alive.

-If 2 of the PTs are used for scum (even one being a fake claim), it is very unlikely yet another one would be scum or a scum fake claim.

-PLUS, not only have we had a GF flip, we also had an ascetic flip. That is 2 scum who cannot be guiltied.

-This means that it is unlikely there'd be yet a third investigative proof scum.

-We obviously either kill penguin tonight or lynch him tomorrow if it fails. From his flip, we will know if he was a form of godfather or ascetic. If he is, then maybe it is reasonable the entire scum team is invest proof and we can throw innos out the window. In the far more likely scenario where he's not, then I feel pretty safe calling a PT investigation an inno.

Am I wrong here?

I agree that PT's at this point are more likely town than not.

I don't understand why you think scum can't have more than one PT fakeclaim. I also don't think investigation immunity has a correlation with whether scum has a PT fakeclaim since scum got to choose/distribute their fakeclaims.

[Maki and Kaito]

Has anybody claimed phantom thief aside from Varsoon and Rational Numbers?

[Maki and Kaito]

Quick look at Leonshade tells me he is more likely to be town than scum

[Brian Skies]

-We obviously either kill penguin tonight or lynch him tomorrow if it fails. From his flip, we will know if he was a form of godfather or ascetic. If he is, then maybe it is reasonable the entire scum team is invest proof and we can throw innos out the window. In the far more likely scenario where he's not, then I feel pretty safe calling a PT investigation an inno.

I don't think Penguin is investigation proof/ascetic since he received a calling card. I'm also pretty sure Dave is forced to kill him tonight.

[Brian Skies]

Has anybody claimed phantom thief aside from Varsoon and Rational Numbers?

I'm pretty sure LUV claimed to be Yusuke.

[WhemeStar]

Can someone show me a game where Key replaced out as town because he got frustrated

Only time I see him get frustrated like he did this game is when he's scum

[Purple Nurple]

-We obviously either kill penguin tonight or lynch him tomorrow if it fails. From his flip, we will know if he was a form of godfather or ascetic. If he is, then maybe it is reasonable the entire scum team is invest proof and we can throw innos out the window. In the far more likely scenario where he's not, then I feel pretty safe calling a PT investigation an inno.

I don't think Penguin is investigation proof/ascetic since he received a calling card. I'm also pretty sure Dave is forced to kill him tonight.

Could be another kind of investigation proof. Not relevant though unless it happens.

[Brian Skies]

He probably did it because people refused to engage him.