Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Mulch

since this out of the way - hey, everyone

[Ramcius]

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you told us to have fun, but now take our fun away?

[Ramcius]

Btw, something's hinting there are four scum.

something hinting me that 4 scum can't be true in 22 ppl game

also, if you going keep your usual lurk/useless playstyle, you will end up on top of my lynch list like usual

[Ramcius]

Okay we shall lynch ramcius d1

sure, i'm up for round 2

I'm not being useless, I'm trying to bring a discussion.

i'm not talking about this game, but previous ones where we played together, especially last one

as for discussion, 4 scums in game this big isn't reasonable, so what was purpose of saying that in first place?

[Ramcius]

16:5 tends to be scumsided.

first, it would be 17:5, second, it's role madness, so 16:4:1:1 or something is reasonable imho

[Ramcius]

My role PM suggests singleball.

well, mine doesn't, it says generic "all threats to town" as wincon

[Ramcius]

also, some math - 17:5 with 1 KPN means scum have achieve 6 MLs to win, if we take random vig/heal in consideration that's maybe +-1 ML needed, so i strongly believe we have some sort sk-like role

Mulch, because conspiracy is mafia, they are main enemy, sk is alone probably and way lesser threat, also, keeping sk as secret helps their survival a bit too in closed setup.

[Ramcius]

What is harder? Mislynching six times or lynching scum five times?

is this rhetorical question?

[Ramcius]

I have a pretty hard townread on Creature here ftr and I would appreciate it if we never lynched him.
Keyenpeydee is my biggest scumread right now because he tried to advocate for less posting when he said he would spam pregame. Not especially strong, but eh.

There could be a third party but considering the Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy flavoring we definitely shouldn't be relying on that imo.

here I was thinking we were going to PL creature

we can PL them both, let's double the fun

[Ramcius]

I think I figured it out now how to win this game

lynch all scums?

[Ramcius]

If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

[Ramcius]

also, would be nice, if you guys sign which head is talking to avoid misunderstandigs later on, when we would ask one head for something other head said

[Ramcius]

If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

Generally him engaging with the game like this is strongly town-indicative for him, and him not doing so is strongly scum-indicative for him. I correctly scumread him for it here and here.

-mm4 since I guess we aren't really easy to tell apart like I thought

thx, i'll keep that in mind, but one thing pinged me - me and him played Divergent game not that long ago, 20p closed with 4 + sk scumteam, but here he tells 4 scum in 22p game is balanced, 5 is too much

[Ramcius]

If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

Generally him engaging with the game like this is strongly town-indicative for him, and him not doing so is strongly scum-indicative for him. I correctly scumread him for it here and here.

-mm4 since I guess we aren't really easy to tell apart like I thought

thx, i'll keep that in mind, but one thing pinged me - me and him played Divergent game not that long ago, 20p closed with 4 + sk scumteam, but here he tells 4 scum in 22p game is balanced, 5 is too much

"+ sk"

well, you was arguing no sk here, so what's your point?

[Ramcius]

PenguinPower, are you sure you want the Real World strongman?

guess we have D1 and D2 lynches, thx, Creature

[Ramcius]

Was anyone around for DGB's loser claim a long long time ago.
I'm getting those sort of vibes.

if you hinting that mastina's claim is bs, i totally agree, but i want Creature's head today, she can wait

[Ramcius]

Was anyone around for DGB's loser claim a long long time ago.
I'm getting those sort of vibes.

if you hinting that mastina's claim is bs, i totally agree, but i want Creature's head today, she can wait

Did you consider Creature's "slip" in 163 to be real, or are you just agreeing with the "policy lynch"? Or is there another reason?

that "joke" was just cherry on top, he tried "townslip" with "only 4 scum" and gave ridiculous reasoning, then was arguing no sk, because of role PMs, but mine says "threats to town", no indication about no sk, so maybe he have different wincon? another fake "townslip" was "16:5 is scumsided", 16+5 =/= 22. He's active, yes, but does anything what he says make any sense? Or he just try play to his town meta?

[Ramcius]

"threats to town" =/= more than one anti-town faction

Town wincon is at post 2.

I knew 16:5 was 21 players, one extra player doesn't make much difference.

yes, you right, it doesn't mean there more than just conspiracy, but neither it proves there's no 3p's in play, but

My role PM suggests singleball.

so my question, how often do you played closed games, where you was informed about sk in play?

sure, 1 extra ML/kill for scums doesn't make much difference in game balance

also, why you think i'm town? I'm asking, because you not react like i'm a scum pushing for your ML on weak case from your POV

[Ramcius]

Creature is town

i already saw this somewhere else...

[Ramcius]

Was anyone around for DGB's loser claim a long long time ago.
I'm getting those sort of vibes.

if you hinting that mastina's claim is bs, i totally agree, but i want Creature's head today, she can wait

Did you consider Creature's "slip" in 163 to be real, or are you just agreeing with the "policy lynch"? Or is there another reason?

that "joke" was just cherry on top, he tried "townslip" with "only 4 scum" and gave ridiculous reasoning, then was arguing no sk, because of role PMs, but mine says "threats to town", no indication about no sk, so maybe he have different wincon? another fake "townslip" was "16:5 is scumsided", 16+5 =/= 22. He's active, yes, but does anything what he says make any sense? Or he just try play to his town meta?

I don't have a problem with your reasoning, but I don't think that it adds up to scum!Creature. I've played with Creature consistently over the past year, and I've yet to see him be able to play to his town meta as scum. It's not uncommon for Creature to throw out seemingly random ideas as town, or for him to get something about the setup or mechanics wrong, but I haven't seen him be able to fake being engaged for long periods of time as scum. Until I see Creature have an advanced scumgame, I'm going to keep townreading him when his meta calls for it.

long period of time? he already backing off from game and entering lurk mode

[Ramcius]

Creature is town

why you think he's town?

[Ramcius]

aren't we past RVS already with all these serious SRs floating around?

[Ramcius]

Was anyone around for DGB's loser claim a long long time ago.
I'm getting those sort of vibes.

if you hinting that mastina's claim is bs, i totally agree, but i want Creature's head today, she can wait

Well I'm asking to be lynched, so. If you're expecting me to discourage you from thinking it's bullshit I hate to disappoint but rather the opposite it's in my best interests to encourage you to think it's bullshit.

Thinking I'm bullshitting about my role is fine. It can lead to my lynch. Thinking I'm bullshitting about my reads as an extension of scumreading me is okay, too! Though, I must insist that if/when I am indeed lynched you lynch the FUCK out of anyone who says I was bullshitting my reads post-mortem when I've already flipped town. (Because I have never lied about my reads in a towngame and I never will. Ever. So someone suggesting as such should be lynched.)

mastina is prob jester

jester is a bastard role and game is non-bastard, so shouldn't be any jester in this setup

[Ramcius]

Chikorita feels weird especially 379. Key is prob scum for discouraging the Mastina lynch saying Mastina prob jester. Ramicus and Ellibeth same reason.

quality read on me, i'm scum for not buying mastina's gambit after i saw "voteless" doublevoter in KH from her? No, thx, i'm not trusting anything she's gonna tell this easily, and i'm not going PL her over someone i find scummy, especially when i have no clue what is her real gambit about

[Ramcius]

HURT WITH A BLADE: Mathematicians

you guys made my head hurt

[Ramcius]

i like this "Creature is town, meta, yada yada yada", i heard it in Clash of Gods too, so i refuse think about him as obv town, let alone conf town

VOTE: RationalNumbers

i like to see where this gonna lead

[Ramcius]

is there a point in you posting to complain about anything, Elli? might as well not post if that's all you have to say.
i have an opinion on 577 but i may as well wait for Varsoon.

smocaine: how can you tell?

Ramcius: what about either Drixx or Mathblade makes you think that's a good place to go?

because i don't like their wish to PL mastina, what neg utility is worth ML? Especially when other head is against it and says she's overreacting due disliking playerlist. Also scumreading people who don't buy mastina's claim is lazy way to make reads

[Ramcius]

PLing mastina is not a scummy position eityer

i never said it's scummy, i just gave my reasoning for vote on them

[Ramcius]

PLing mastina is not a scummy position eityer

i never said it's scummy, i just gave my reasoning for vote on them

...?
are you wanting to PL them then.

chesskid: honestly? fair.

pedit: still town.

no, i just think it's good starting point as they are null read for me and some things pings in what they posted

[Ramcius]

And you do exact opposite because?

Key is lynch bait. Ram is lynch bait. You’re not.

rude

I don't see much point in wagoning keyenpeydee while that slot is empty.

VOTE: Ramcius
How about this?

-mm4

you want 1 v 1? come at me, bro, show what you got, but you need more than "shitty comment about CoG"

VOTE: Chikoritas

[Ramcius]

Mulch, don't make me PL you again, i really thought you learned thing or two, when i saw you in CoG, but this AtE was disgusting even for you

[Ramcius]

so I can't read the whining fest here but agree it has to die sooner rather than later

but I'm going to throw out a curveball

I had "no idea" who akira was as it's NOT in my role PM, but if you had put a gun to my head before :loldrama: I would have guessed correctly based on the number of people who thought it was funny to manufacture a townread on a slot that's done nothing.

Soooo this is why I blew up at Version and why I don't think Alchemist moment was legitimate. Something to consider?

Yeah, we also had no clue who akira was, though he is at least mentioned in our role pm.

I don't know anything about the flavor myself, can somebody explain to me why akira is a significant player in this game?

I'll take it, though:

In the game, Akira and his allies are the Phantom Thieves. They are the playable characters in the story. This is your team.
However, you still meet other people who support your cause--these people, in addition to the Phantom Thieves, offer you different Arcana (powerups), such as Chariot, Hanged Man, Moon, Lovers, Emperor, etc.
PurpleNurple claimed to offer the Hanged Man arcana. In the game, that arcana belongs to a character who sells weapons to the party and has connections to the yakuza. This character, while a supporter of the Phantom Thieves, is not an actual member of their group.
Ergo, it makes sense for him to be town-aligned, but not know Akira's identity.

So explain more about these arcana?

Do you think scum can have roles that give arcana?

i suggest you to read Akira's role PM in start of this thread, you will find some answers to your questions

[Ramcius]

Is anyone up to wagon Smocaine? What about Maki and Kaito?

why you want wagon them?

[Ramcius]

I have no time for this shithole right now but rest assured I will still be hammering on Mulch further lest one of his buddies also outs themselves in the process.

tldr is:

A big chunk of you are assuming he's town that went off his rocker so thus not okay only reason policy lynch blahblah.
That IS NOT and HAS NEVER been the position I've held.
He is SCUM that decided to act this way (which would then also incidentally be totally okay) and got the exact fucking reaction he wanted out of the vast majority of you.

Especially anyone who's going "mulch if you're town you're better than this".
HE IS BETTER THAN THAT YEAH.
BECAUSE HE'S NOT TOWN HERE AND HE'S SCUM.

However I think this is demonstratable and I'll try to get it to it tonight since apparently noone here can see a faked reaction when it's staring at them anymore.

Other than that
I didn't read the math vs. purple exchange too closely yet but that actually looked like tvt on a skim unlike mulch vs. me.
drixx is right about stopping the claims (I incidentally disagree with him on the ethics of using activity logs but we can chat about that in the future if you ever want to).
Kise's scummy as shit.
The lists's me and creature presented earlier still hold.

peace.

well, i saw him claim like this before, that was half year ago, he was VT that time, we PLed him pretty much for being obnoxious, also i know he's capable of doing something like this as a scum too. Knowing this i don't want lock myself on his PL so early in D1, also after reading Akira's role i'm considering possibility for Dave to check him and if Mulch comes up red, Dave will be forced to shoot him following night

[Ramcius]

since mm4 is silent, can i interest you guys in voting Chikoritas? I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon and i yet to see case on me (shitposting in pregame and "i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

[Ramcius]

I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

cute, i never expressed my sr on you, so why you expected my vote earlier? In fact it was you who was constantly calling me scum, but not taking any actions or providing any case

grasping straws, when called out? Why you didn't said anything back there?

also, start wagons? You didn't voted anyone, you retracted Mulch vote soon after you voted him, so what multiple wagons you are talking? You didn't even bothered FoS me, which you can have multiple

and now, why you didn't tried convince people join wagon on me, but you showed up right after i asked people to vote you? Was you lurking and waiting?

[Ramcius]

just got home, too tired. ill get to this tomorrow, soz. i love u math <3

Whelp I got dragged away for RL partly through mine. Ramicus is obv scum trying to distract from the discussion.

Scared you're gonna be on the wrong side when scum NK us dude?

Purple Nurple read. Go.

--Math

since mm4 is silent, can i interest you guys in voting Chikoritas? I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon and i yet to see case on me (shitposting in pregame and "i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

Can I interest you in bussing your buddy?

There's a shit ton of wagons and no one actually talking.

--Math

reading is a virtue or something, as i heard. Why would i ignore someone coming after me from start of game, when they finally took an action and tried start wagon?

also, as i stated before, i'm not going PL PN for mastina's gambit, but if you will provide reasonable case, i will consider their lynch closer to EoD

and finally, my vote on you was a reaction test, if my answer to NC wasn't clear enough for you, i didn't called you scum after all or did i?

[Ramcius]

PLing mastina is not a scummy position eityer

i never said it's scummy, i just gave my reasoning for vote on them

...?
are you wanting to PL them then.

chesskid: honestly? fair.

pedit: still town.

no, i just think it's good starting point as they are null read for me and some things pings in what they posted

Yes the ever inevitable "pings" where you don't call us scum but say you "ping"read us is definitely not scumreading us. Those must be Town pings you're referring to /sarcasm

You just want someone else to champion our mislynch.

--Math

Nah, i just accepted fact that town in FM quite often acts illogical, so when i see something scummy in my opinion, i try to investigate it. Also, mandatory reminder that scummy =/= scum

better tell me why you surprised i'm pursuing someone else, when i put no effort in pushing your wagon? inb4 you call me answering to NC an effort

[Ramcius]

since mm4 is silent, can i interest you guys in voting Chikoritas? I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon and i yet to see case on me (shitposting in pregame and "i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

I double iso you and Chikoritas and can't find any reference to CoG in Chikoritas. Why do you think it's that post in particular, or that it's the CoG reference and not something else in the post?

you scared me for a second, but i found it

UNVOTE:
whatever. there are twenty pages, I skimmed them and I dont even fucking know who's scum rn.

let's just lynch ramcius for his shitty clash of the gods comment or something

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i bolded, maybe it's my bad for saying Clash of Gods instead of Clash of the Gods, but anyways it's there

@Chess, who you was talking to? Me and RN or me and Chikoritas? Anyway, neither of them are on my lynchlist, but that's a subject to change ofc, D1 just started

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I really don't like how he was calling me scum since beggining, but only now tried start wagon

you weren't my biggest scumread for a while, at a certain point me and echo both scumread you so it's a pretty good idea to wagon you now. unfortunately I can't really start wagons on multiple people at one time, that's not how it works. it's also interesting that despite this being your reasoning, you only voted us once we voted you

and i yet to see case on me

i haven't seen a case on us from you either!

("i don't like that post about Clash of Gods" i don't consider good reasons at this stage of game)

considering how it was a huge misrep of what actually happened in this game that really makes no sense i disagree with you on that one
i also don't really like 592, 595, 599

-mm4

cute, i never expressed my sr on you, so why you expected my vote earlier? In fact it was you who was constantly calling me scum, but not taking any actions or providing any case

grasping straws, when called out? Why you didn't said anything back there?

also, start wagons? You didn't voted anyone, you retracted Mulch vote soon after you voted him, so what multiple wagons you are talking? You didn't even bothered FoS me, which you can have multiple

and now, why you didn't tried convince people join wagon on me, but you showed up right after i asked people to vote you? Was you lurking and waiting?

Re: can't start multiple wagons -- nobody can start multiple wagons

at the same time

, we all have one vote. I find it vaguely scummy to try to twist that statement -- only vaguely because it's a vote on you and the OMGUS runs strong in most people.

Re: lurking and waiting -- signs point to the "different active time window" effect. For another example, I'm replying right now because this is the first available time I've had in what seems like days (and in fact probably is). When I did that double ISO I noticed that you and Chikoritas (and lots of other people) seem to have hot and cold posting windows. We can't all be Creature/LUV. <caveat: yeah I know it's a hydra, but it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a hydra have hot/cold activity>

BTW I should mention, I'm pleasantly surprised that there aren't spurts of pages, and even more pleased that there aren't spurts of non-content posts. I wish I hadn't been slammed at work the past few days, it would have been nice to actually contribute in an environment where my posts wouldn't be lost in that sea.

Pedit: Thanks, I don't know why I didn't see that.

i know no one can't start multiple wagons, but how someone can give this excuse, when they haven't voted anyone at all (vote on Mulch didn't lasted long, so i don't count it) while expressing scumread on me long before they finally put vote?

it was 22 hours after my vote, when i called out MM4, he responded after 18 minutes (maybe less, if taking into account time to read and write response), so that's feels like waiting in thread

as for my posting, i'm from Europe, so it might feel like i'm away, when most people are here. Just like now thread felt dead for me whole day, cause no one else was posting, and i will look absent, when you guys will be active, as i will sleep

[Ramcius]

Reck ... you really need to read the rules and the Akira role post thoroughly. If Akira visits scum he'll collect an arcana from them and leave them a calling card. They go to the metaverse for some phases after that and then Dave can out the guilty to us and let us handle it later or he gets an unstoppable vig shot against them the following night (presumably if he vigs, he's not visiting someone else to collect arcana and get a cop result though, so like ... choices).

~Drixx

i think guilty will be public and we can't lynch them that day, Akira will be forced enter Metaverse with their target, so he have to vig target or maybe will have choice to use Dreaming God abilities (arcana?) instead of vig, that part is little unclear to me as if he can vig and use Dreaming God same time or have to choose

[Ramcius]

hmm you know I can't remember. I liked something about the early game aggression but I've lost that feeling in a 500 post absence from thread combined with feeling more like he is being defensive now

well, you can help me then, what your read on Chikoritas?

[Ramcius]

@Ali

does scums had access to fakeclaims from start or when timer started?

[Ramcius]

i don't like this arcana speculation - rolecard implies arcana's are 1-shot Dreaming God abilities, and they are different for Meta and real world, so i'm for cop check rather going for unknown arcana

[Ramcius]

Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?

[Ramcius]

no. i'm done being nice to you. you don't get to command me if you refuse to engage with anything i'm saying.

I did engage and respond. I even quote the posts. Wtf?

--Math

@Ramicus -- You think so?

Then help us "bus" Purple and when Dave hopefully confirms us as Town then you'll hopefully repeat the same with E and then repeat the same with Not Chara then yourself.

--Math

i never buss, i have honor

on serious note, you fight quite a while already, but i see no real result, PN backing out of fight after some questionable gambits is weird, you holding on same people since day start (or even before day started, i'm not even sure anymore), do you guys so sure in your early reads?

also, i'm considering possibility you being gf or some other undetectable role, or you can shut off something in Dave, if he visits you. Telling your arcana is important purely on wiki is another questionable gamble, we have no clue how arcana's work or if they are like in game and not remade by Ali (and i expressed my opinion they are Dreaming God abilities, which as role PM indicates are different for real/Meta and Dave have no clue what they will do)

[Ramcius]

no. i'm done being nice to you. you don't get to command me if you refuse to engage with anything i'm saying.

I did engage and respond. I even quote the posts. Wtf?

--Math

@Ramicus -- You think so?

Then help us "bus" Purple and when Dave hopefully confirms us as Town then you'll hopefully repeat the same with E and then repeat the same with Not Chara then yourself.

--Math

i never buss, i have honor

on serious note, you fight quite a while already, but i see no real result, PN backing out of fight after some questionable gambits is weird, you holding on same people since day start (or even before day started, i'm not even sure anymore), do you guys so sure in your early reads?

also, i'm considering possibility you being gf or some other undetectable role, or you can shut off something in Dave, if he visits you. Telling your arcana is important purely on wiki is another questionable gamble, we have no clue how arcana's work or if they are like in game and not remade by Ali (and i expressed my opinion they are Dreaming God abilities, which as role PM indicates are different for real/Meta and Dave have no clue what they will do)

Oh honey. If you didn't think I didn't crumb the name of our arcana already to Dave, prepare to pray to the porcelain gods because that is where your crap will end up.

--Math

Is this your Ace argument? If so, i feel sorry for you - there is 21 arcana (yes, i did some research), that means everyone have one (except Dave ofc), and every arcana from what i noticed is attached to same flavor name as it is in game, so it's not a proof of being town, only proof of flavor, but we all know that scums have fakeclaims. Also, before you tell you from PT's - i believe at least one PT must be a fake claim, or what would stop PTs just claim and become ICs? And you have agree that if all PTs would be conf towns, it would straight up break game

[Ramcius]

no. i'm done being nice to you. you don't get to command me if you refuse to engage with anything i'm saying.

I did engage and respond. I even quote the posts. Wtf?

--Math

@Ramicus -- You think so?

Then help us "bus" Purple and when Dave hopefully confirms us as Town then you'll hopefully repeat the same with E and then repeat the same with Not Chara then yourself.

--Math

and if you're town and decide to take your head out of your ass and not make this one of the famous games where math tunnels town the entire game, i am willing to do ramcius probably if a key and luv lynch can't happen.

so, why you think i'm scum?

[Ramcius]

we think there's likely to be one PT traitor right?

Then scum would know who Dave is. That dosen't make any sense

why you think scum can't know who Akira is?

[Ramcius]

Ftr, mulch, I'm suspicious of you.

Why

if you're the suggested PT traitor, you got to tell your buddies who dave was (small point)

your reaction is extra considering i and others have been critical of your town game recently and you know you blow up too much, and you fake ate all the time as scum

i was not okay with policy lynching you and bullying you, i am okay with hearing what elli has to say and possibly lynching scum!mulch as opposed to policy!mulch.

My reaction isn't extra at all, I got a top role this game and was being mislynched day 1 again, I was angry. And I do fake AtE as scum but I don't know why you think this was fake and not genuine.

Elli has nothing to say, they keep saying it's obvious, but the reason it's "obvious" is through meta which makes no sense or my posts in mafia discussion which makes no sense. And it's not obvious.

self watcher isn't top role, why you chosed it over rolecop for N1?

[Ramcius]

self watcher isn't top role, why you chosed it over rolecop for N1

I wanted to go into the metaverse

yes, i saw, but it's weird to me, so i expect results from you D3

(i think you town, because i doubt scum team would give you PT fakeclaim)

[Ramcius]

because i doubt scum team would give you PT fakeclaim

What do you mean

i mean that PT claims have more credibility than non PT claims, so it's more likely to avoid suspicions with PT claim than non PT one, so i expect people keeping PT claim for themselves than giving it to you

[Ramcius]

In the game, there are 9 PTs including Joker, aka Akira, aka the protagonist.
So that basically leaves 8 more PTs. At least one is traitor or not-town-aligned: Goro Akechi, the Justice confidant.
I would be really shocked to see any of the other 7 turn up as scum. There just isn't a flavor justification for it unless the mod provided some kinda backstory stuff to explain the change of heart from the end of P5 to now.

Why you don't think Ali could gave PT as a fakeclaim?

[Ramcius]

hm, i have no clue about this, my role card have no indications about votes not counting, so something on Chikoritas end i guess

[Ramcius]

Chicoritas, are you loved?

[Ramcius]

I have none yet.

why we shouldn't lynch you today?

[Ramcius]

Because you can't. My ability prevents me from being lynched once.

well, we should test it, don't we?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Yume

well, i have keep my word then

[Ramcius]

Why you think i would believe you after KH?

[Ramcius]

Hey, there are more players in favor of wagoning Smocaine and Maki-Kaito.

Smocaine is V/LA for unknown amount of time, so sell me on Maki then

[Ramcius]

Ramicus’s vote history is towards shutting things down.
 (Side note: Ramicus is a very realistic candidate for scum. Doesn’t follow up, doesn’t do anything and this is likely a mastina post outside of pregame
 574 Vote on us to see where it leads. This is after FoS of Not Chara, this is a chainsaw defense per the mafia scum wiki. Ramicus said it was because they didn’t like our policy lynch of Mastina (despite it was a valid request). Ramicus don’t even genuinely believe it and so haven’t had a genuine vote yet in their own words 595
 Attacks CiA when they vote Ramicus. (CiA’s loved comment also feels genuine that they didn’t see a need to claim it.)
 Leaves vote on CiA despite not pushing them or interactin with them.
 1638 switch to Yume is more about just trying to distract. A policy lynch as demonstrated earlier is going nowhere. This vote is noise and Ramicus again doesn’t follow it up.
 He then asks to be sold on someone.
 Ramicus is playing very passively rather than actively scumhunting. He wants to have the game “solved” for him and then be able to come on at the end. He’s a noise maker/vote flopper as needed. The scum wanted me gone so he tried. Scum want CiA gone so he tries. Very likely CiA is town here if Ramicus is scum.

thx for portion of good a laugh, really

Eh, sad she's not here, i would like to ask if KH is going to be all over again
Have you ever heard "reaction test"?
No, i attacked CiA, when they finally took action instead just hinting sr on me and doing nothing about it
Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me
You not happy, when i park my vote, you don't happy, when i try push lurker with miller claim, make up your mind
Reading is a virtue, Creature said people are interested in someone else than Yume, so i asked why i should chase them instead of her, but you have problem with this too
Passively? Tbh, shove this Passively where sun don't shine with all "noise maker" and shit.

Why would scum want you gone? Because you clog thread with your fight with PN? Because you have some associative shitty reads that you barely push? What CiA did to earn attention from scum team to get rid? Why don't mention me going after Creature early? That would be probably most realistic person to associate to me pushing as scum as people in every game tells he obv town and already he's nearly unlychable because of meta arguments floating around from pregame

so for the end, i appreciate your attempt to solidify your very early SR on me for saying i'm not PLing mastina for her demand, you haven't moved from your very early scumreads, so are you so confident in your ability to scumhunt? Or you don't want clear too many people early, so you have hard time to ML people later on?

[Ramcius]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

are you townreading me now?

[Ramcius]

Ram that post was bobo.

which one?

[Ramcius]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

are you townreading me now?

No. Can you answer my question please- since that was a reaction test, what was your planned reaction when someone "fell for it" (i.e came after you for it)?

I can't, i don't know about you, but i can't anticipate all possible reactions, so i have react on the fly, when someone fell for it as you said

[Ramcius]

Again, reaction test, to see who would come after, when i will ignore that weak case of CiA on me

what...? if someone came after you for it what did you want to do about it?

-mm4

i am a failure

are you townreading me now?

No. Can you answer my question please- since that was a reaction test, what was your planned reaction when someone "fell for it" (i.e came after you for it)?

I can't, i don't know about you, but i can't anticipate all possible reactions, so i have react on the fly, when someone fell for it as you said

Okay, but like, why did you even do the reaction test thing in the first place?

It wasn't planned, i just had no one else to pursue at the moment

[Ramcius]

I don’t even know what CIA and Ram Ram are arguing about.

Ram, do you have a track record anyone can easily verify of you mindlessly reaction testing?

I wasn't mindlessly reaction testing, i just used opportunity and parked my vote as i had no suspect to pursue

[Ramcius]

can you guys explain, why you trust Yume's lynchproof claim? Cause to me it sounded just as a joke answer to my joke about lynching her

[Ramcius]

can you guys explain, why you trust Yume's lynchproof claim? Cause to me it sounded just as a joke answer to my joke about lynching her

I believe it's more like we have a mod-confirmed strongman vigilante and someone else indicating they might have a vig shot, so we're going with Option B instead.

strongman-vigilante can kill only guiltied by him Conspiracy members, also, why you want Yume dead?

[Ramcius]

I'm aware of how the role works.

Yume's iso is devoid of content outside of her roleclaim (which I'm not accepting at face value for reasons already explained) and softs. And I think that the things she has claimed (or softed) could be scum-indicative.

meta reasons?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Smocaine

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Chikorita'sInaction

tell me one thing that you have done in this game that matters on any level

I rolled green. I know it's not as exciting or interactive as picking a role from a list, but matters.

matters to who? I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

[Ramcius]

what are you doing that is so useful ramcius?

if you want my wagon, go ahead, if don't - don't ask silly questions

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

I don't believe you're this

bad

confident I'm scum.

i'm not, you null

[Ramcius]

can we go back to Ramcius challenging Eddie to vote him if he has a problem, and then getting angry when he does? it's still funny. i'm trying to figure out if it's scum or not.

i'm not angry, i'm laughing

[Ramcius]

hm hm, sure. i believe you.

you're bad liar

[Ramcius]

gosh darn, you caught me. i was

really

trying to sell it.

why are you still voting your null read, and do you have any actual reads?

counter question: why i shouldn't vote my null read?

[Ramcius]

counter question: why i shouldn't vote my null read?

when did i say you shouldn't be? i asked why you were, i want an answer.
to my question about your reads, too.

Because voting townreads would be stupid and i see no reason vote my scumreads, when we nowhere close to lynch phase
yes, i have reads, and no, i won't do read lists, i like concentrate on couple people at a time, i have no clue how people manage to keep up with 10+ people reads simultaneously

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

do i have become Math and put your nose in your own posts? You literally pointed out i have less posts than Mulch

FM is forum mafia, the very thing we are in

[Ramcius]

what does being 'close to lynch phase' mean? find scum and vote them now, you don't need to use all 14 days just so you can scramble at deadline.
i didn't ask for a readslist either. i asked if you had

any

reads. who are your scumreads and townreads?

It means that people don't lynch yet, we don't have any big wagons (Smocaine was L-6 i think, after my vote, but now it's dissolved in no time)

Mulch, Chicoritas, LUV town, don't tell scumreads, don't want them to know i suspect them

[Ramcius]

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

thx for another good laugh, but you aren't better, and i'm too lazy pull my crystal ball in middle of the night to see future. I can tell one thing for a fact - you not doing same as i do, you lost your head, when i provoked you into voting me

P-edit: aaaand we back

[Ramcius]

how do we get to lynch phase if you're not trying to lynch?

When i said i want lynch right now? I'm in no rush, i have a lot nulls, so i'm happy to take my time and explore my lynch options

[Ramcius]

Give your scumreads. There is NO BENEFIT to not outing them. People argue not doing reads lists is good because it doesn't out your townreads for scum to know early on, which I can understand, but not giving your scumreads is anti-town and awful play. Also, you should explain your townreads here now that you've given them because they're all likely enough lynches, especially the latter 2. And ftr, I knew I wasn't going to like this game and why I will probably be disappearing when Mastina is back.

There is benefit to keep scumreads in secret - people are more careful, when talking to you, if they know you are suspecting them, or might refuse talk at all, while they are more careless, if they think you might TR them

[Ramcius]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

If we talking about competent scums, then it's less likely they end up in my scumreads on D1 and even if they do, it would be hard push for their lynch, so my focus is less competent scums early on

[Ramcius]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

If we talking about competent scums, then it's less likely they end up in my scumreads on D1 and even if they do, it would be hard push for their lynch, so my focus is less competent scums early on

can you start by explaining your townreads?

hyow about you tell why you disagree with my town reads and we discuss that

[Ramcius]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

If we talking about competent scums, then it's less likely they end up in my scumreads on D1 and even if they do, it would be hard push for their lynch, so my focus is less competent scums early on

can you start by explaining your townreads?

how about you tell why you disagree with my town reads and we discuss that

i should preview before posting

[Ramcius]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

[Ramcius]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

and other things that happened after that, but thats why i voted him

you don't need to "justify their stupidity" though. saying why you townread them creates discourse for you to either convince any town on the wagon that your townread is town OR convincing you that he's scum and you were wrong. justify your townreads doesn't mean arguing with people initially, it means saying why you townread them.

Do CiA in danger? No. Do people provided case that i could argue? No. So i see no reason do do anything about their wagon

[Ramcius]

Did anyone actually try to sort Smocaine while there was a wagon on him?

Nah, someone came with idea vote Chicoritas and now it's new hot wagon

[Ramcius]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

and other things that happened after that, but thats why i voted him

you don't need to "justify their stupidity" though. saying why you townread them creates discourse for you to either convince any town on the wagon that your townread is town OR convincing you that he's scum and you were wrong. justify your townreads doesn't mean arguing with people initially, it means saying why you townread them.

Do CiA in danger? No. Do people provided case that i could argue? No. So i see no reason do do anything about their wagon

CiA?

case doesn't matter. it is your job as town to prevent town getting lynched to the best of your abilities, that's an awful mindset.

someone else came with that name and i use it, when i'm too lazy write Chicoritas

last VC shows they at L-10, maybe got couple votes after, i can't remember, too lazy check, still, miles from getting lynched, so i see no reason to jump gun.

How many times you going try to attack my playstyle till you have enough?

[Ramcius]

you're refusing to out your scumreads or explain your townreads

i'm going to attack your playstyle until it stops being anti-town

have fun i guess, i have no obligations to answer your questions/requests, so don't be surprised, if next time i simply ignore you

[Ramcius]

you're refusing to out your scumreads or explain your townreads

i'm going to attack your playstyle until it stops being anti-town

have fun i guess, i have no obligations to answer your questions/requests, so don't be surprised, if next time i simply ignore you

no you don't have any obligations

VOTE: ramcius

is it how you are better than me? First, you missed fact that you aren't my TR, so i have no real reason share my reads with you, then you vote your townread, because you don't get answers you want.

And you think you have right attack way how i play?

[Ramcius]

i am not moving my vote until i get an answer that satisfies me. you do with that what you will.

if you're going to be a useless fuck and not help the game at all i have absolutely no problem lynching you

all you've done is occasionally pop in with useless bullshit, and be obnoxious. you won't help town's wincon which is catching scum, or the secondary function which is not lynching town. your iso does not have any reads progession whatsoever. you voted chikoritas a long ass time ago, threatened to policy lynch mulch, and actually didn't even mention luv in your iso before calling him a townread. if you're town two of the three reads you've given are backwards from mine and i've tried to get you to engage with me on them but you won't, so we are stuck with one of us being wrong because of your bullheaded stupidity. why don't you go back and show me how many lynches you've EVER pushed through? or how often you are lynched? or how often you win? or how often you vote scum vs town? i guarantee i beat you in ever department, but you keep insisting on bringing this into a personal argument of you being better than me. i think you're town, and i am trying and have tried to work with you, but you're refusing to engage with me and that isn't okay because late game that is the difference between a win and a loss. you want me to explain why i scumread uzi yet i've already done that many times and chikoritas has nothing in my opinion that would warrant them being a townread at this stage. call this a policy vote, i have nobody my vote really needs to be on right now so my vote is staying here until you actually answer me and i fully believe you aren't scum trying to get out of having to give scumreads or more likely scum who gave out some names as townreads and can't justify them. just because i townread you doesn't mean infallibly so.

I'm not cooperative? I asked what problem you have with my townreads? Your answer was "CiA have wagon on them and go look my ISO for LUV", why should i bother with that? If you really wanted discuss, you could write couple sentences why you scumread them. You didn't, so how about if you stop shading me?

Do you really want fight me on my reads department? Surreptitious i got 2 scums D1 that i was pushing and i had traitor that i didn't named in thread, town lynched me instead, Real folks blue i lost interest, when people ignored 2 scums i was pushing and i got lynched D2 for not having PR role pretty much, Divergent i led lynches on scums D1 and D2, i named last 2 scums in my hood N4, when sk killed me, but my buddy decided ignore those, KH i pushed scum lynch D1 and D2, i was ignored, i was on other scum tail too, but people were "no way this slot can be scum, cause of drama it caused before", so stop bringing up how godlike you are and how bad i am, when you have no idea of my plays. We mid D1, i have no reason to lay down my reads just like that, so i really dislike your interrogation, when you not try cooperate, but just try learn what i know

[Ramcius]

I don't scumread CiA, but I see no justification that could allow someone to townread them based on the amount of content and lack of impression they have. Plus, they're a wagon. That's why I want CiA townread justification from you. Luv I have spent a LOT of time talking about and it annoys me you want me to regurgitate it yet again and are too lazy to go look. We aren't "mid day 1", we are 6 days from deadline in a 22 person game and you actively and openly aren't trying to get your scumreads lynched "because you don't want then to know you scumread them" which is utter bullshit. I never said I was godlike and I never said you were bad,

you are the one who brought up player skill AND you are the one who brought it up a second time later

. I refuted your points, and that's that. I have no idea of your plays? Your plays like "does PN and RN feel staged" "I am better than you" "I don't want my scumreads to know I scumread them" "I have no reason to argue why a major wagon is town"? I'm sorry I have no idea of your plays. I tried to cooperate, I tried to focus on your townreads first since scum already know you townread them (:lol:) and I don't know exactly what you know you think I should try to learn but maybe don't bring up player skill and I won't cite why I'm better than you, don't refuse to do the most basic thing in mafia which is give and explain reads, and don't talk with a cocky ass attitude that YES you brought up because YOU are the one who decided to say I'm bad and you're better than me.

i never said i'm better, i just said you are bad, because you clearly don't want accept people use different approaches to games

you were bashing each other for a week, but neither of you was trying to push wagon on other, then came yours 60/40 read, which fits really nicely to scenario "mastina makes gambit, Math joins game and dislikes gambit, mastina MIA and you try defend yourself from your scumbuddy without trying to push him too much", but you never asked why i made that observation, you simply saw me as a VI (if you town ofc, which i doubt more and more)

i used play with 120 hours days, so 6 days is more than enough for me and 6 days out of 14 is mid day

Yes, i have no reason argue wagon, when people don't explain their reasons to join wagon in first place, and calling that wagon major is a bit of exaggeration

[Ramcius]

was a while ago but didnt like how he was basically saying "this is my reasoning for voting them, but that doesn't mean i think they're scum, stop trying to make me justify that!"
in clash of the gods creature!scum was lynched for meta, and ramcius tried to twist that into "creature was called town by meta in clash of the gods!"

again you with same argument, fine, i'll answer, since you forgot so0me things - Creature was lynched D3, i wanted his head D1, got answer about his meta, hope you remember i replaced out D1 from game, so you pushing this over and over as only argument against me is getting old

[Ramcius]

i tunnel for reads. sorry if you don't like that. i am fine with other playstyles, that's exactly how i'm able to consider rc and boon and math good players even though i don't like any of their playstyles too much. there's a difference between having a different playstyle and refusing to do the fundamental element of mafia which is scumhunt. voting null reads, refusing to give scumreads, refusing to defend your townreads; none of that is scumhunting.

before i pushed math, how many people had that slot as town?

the fact you are thinking me and rn have a decent chance of being svs shows me you really don't understand this game. that isn't what svs looks like, flat out.

it was the second biggest wagon, and others had expressed approval of it, so yes, i consider it a major wagon.

I looked games you linked yesterday - all mini's and micro's, what experience you have in large ones? 20+ ppl preferably, but little smaller probably fine too

Voting null reads makes them act, so you can try make read on them easier. What changes, if i tell my lynch preferences 3 days before EoD instead of spilling them now? Do you going prosecute them on spot and end day earlier? Why defend townread, if i don't see him getting lynched anyway? That's rhetorical questions, no need answer

I never said it was decent chance, don't twist my words, i said it's possible looking at how neither of you pushed other to be wagoned, and i have seen such SvS that you would drop from your chair, if you seen them

[Ramcius]

i don't like larges. i don't consider them as competitive as minis and don't enjoy them really. ftr, i also don't really like micros, happened to be in some though. i think my last completed large was viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 and if you want theme viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70536 excluding a game i afkd the entire time cause hydra + i had quit mafia.

if you tell me your lynch preferences 3 days before eod that means we only have 3 days to discuss them and then hypothetically organize a lynch on them. ALSO, you never said you would give them 3 days before eod, so if thats the case i'll drop it because i don't really care.

what do you mean neither of us pushed the other to get wagoned? what exactly do you think we were trying to accomplish by walling at each other? i've done hardcore bussing, there was a micro where frogger and i were the scumteam and we were the two most widely townread players and hardcore pushed each other (it worked, I let him lynch me day 2 and we won cleanly) (viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70624).

good, so you can't discuss basics of large games, if you dislike them and don't play often

you never asked, so i just assumed it's common sense to give lynch preferences closer to EoD rather than keeping for themselves for all game

just what i said, you were beating each other for a week, but no big wagon on either of you, wasn't that strange?

[Ramcius]

it's not even funny how fast PN got from "we don't need consolidate wagon on Smocaine, we have Yume to execute" to "Yume is scum", it's second time he tries shift focus from Smocaine wagon

[Ramcius]

You really should have said that during pre-game well before scum rolled roles

Actually think this could be town. I'll talk it out.

wow what is happening ok
VOTE: elli

(Still think this is scum, too.)

VOTE: key.
HURT: Maki and Kaito.
HURT: RationalNumbers.
HURT WITH A BLADE: xRECKONERx.
HURT WITH A BLADE: Ramicus.

I find it much more likely PN was trying to divert a Ramicus wagon onto Smocaine or Yume and is now trying to play savior again and direct the lynch onto a claimed PR.

Then again I am still doing the homework asked by Drixx but that is what I feel.

Despite the scumreads of Ramicus most of the game PN doesn't actually push there.

would you share what you smoking? There never was my wagon, and PN trying divert Smocaine wagon second time, now he's victim is Yume, yet after all this "you should share reads" lecture to me he's just giving "Yume is scum, just trust me"

[Ramcius]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

There was an attempt to wagon Ramicus but it was pathetically weak despite PN agreeing with me that Ramicus isn't scumhunting.

Despite PN agrees with a lot of my reads at different points PN shades my ability and says to consider them Town when they aren't actively pushing where the people they townread agree on.

Instead they push Yume who again multiple townreads of theirs have no interest in. Smocaine who multiple townreads have hopped on because of the apathy.

My suggestion is we flashwagon E or Ramicus.

--Math

"PN is shady scum, but let's wagon Ram or E" You da MVP, Math

[Ramcius]

VOTE: PN

your reasoning so weak, how you can be sure Yume isn't lying about her role? All your case is that her role can't be town, you ignore promising wagons for wagon no one interested in and you dare criticize my plays and call me anti-town? I still have no clue why you townreading Smocaine and try indirectly dissolve his wagon by pushing random people. I could lynch you just for you hipocrisy - you attacked me for not defending CiA, when their wagon was really weak, but you don't try defend Smocaine, when he's big wagon, only divert attention elsewhere

[Ramcius]

VOTE: PN

your reasoning so weak, how you can be sure Yume isn't lying about her role? All your case is that her role can't be town, you ignore promising wagons for wagon no one interested in and you dare criticize my plays and call me anti-town? I still have no clue why you townreading Smocaine and try indirectly dissolve his wagon by pushing random people. I could lynch you just for you hipocrisy - you attacked me for not defending CiA, when their wagon was really weak, but you don't try defend Smocaine, when he's big wagon, only divert attention elsewhere

excuse me? how can i be sure yume isn't lying about her role? "oh, this role fits scum but it might be fake so why would i lynch it"
what promising wagons? and how is noone interested when its at 3 votes and nobody townreads the slot aka there's potential?
i townread smocaine for tone and i don't like his wagon formation. its a lynchbait reada
i don't townread him enough to argue against it, i've given all i have for him being town and people choose not to follow it
and you sound like you're scumreading me for preflip with smocaine so you're trying to lynch me which is
you are just demonstrating you're as awful a player as i think you are though. so thanks. call me when you aren't being bad town.

You realize that 3 votes in 22p game is nothing, right? it's 1/4 amount for lynch
No, i don't want PL Yume, because there are better wagons, you are one of them, also, i don't see why you so surprised, it's not like i ever said your slot was town, it's quite opposite, i was good with lynching your slot and said it to Math, if he could provide reasonable case. If you going back to pregame, only thing i said was i don't want PL mastina for her gambit as i took that as NAI for her
"I townread useless slot for tone, but i'm not confident enough to defend", top notch play, 10/10

Yes, i'm bad, i really should learn vote people that provokes me, maybe i even learn to vote same person twice, even i express towwnread of them, maybe some day i will be good like you

[Ramcius]

"You realize that 3 votes in 22p game is nothing, right? it's 1/4 amount for lynch"
right, but you said noone was interested, and its at 3 pretty soon after with plenty of others who i'm sure considered/are considering it.

"No, i don't want PL Yume,"
same

""I townread useless slot for tone, but i'm not confident enough to defend", top notch play, 10/10"
i've given my reasons i think they're town and vocally shamed the wagon. if people ignore me that's not my problem. it's WAY more than you ever did or will do. and i still find it fucking hilariosu you're calling their slot useless.

"you sure", glad to know you can read minds too

"i said wagon is bad, people didn't listened, so it's not my problem"

You know, it's not only me, who think Smocaine did nothing in this game, but sure, you right, everyone else is wrong

Serious question - why you want test Yume's claim and sacrifice Smocaine in process, if she tells true? And why you want waste exec now so badly?

[Ramcius]

Calling PN's push on Yume a "policy lynch" is a complete misrep. It's not even based on one factor. I see points being made about meta, flavor, setup, and Yume's lack of meaningful town activity. The one thing that gives me pause is why Yume would bring up the role in the first place.

I never said he wanted PL Yume, i say i don't want PL Yume, which means i don't find his case strong enough (and from looks other people too)

[Ramcius]

HURT WITH A BLADE: MulchHURT WITH A BLADE:

[Ramcius]

i'm really not interested in lynching yume today

i would like this though
VOTE: PenguinPower

why you want Penguin?

[Ramcius]

his entire iso is basically just flavour speculation and when he catches up after like eight days of absence he doesn't actually post anything

so, you want PL lurker over scummy slots?

[Ramcius]

Tfw you've got 30 pages to read and see you're tied for the #1 wagon

you welcome

[Ramcius]

is it only me against lurker PL that gives us no associations? Cause i feel people really starting consider PP lynch

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Brian Skies

this seems like a good lynch

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Brian Skies

this seems like a good lynch

You seem like a good lynch

Your luck i'm no vig, or you would be dead tonight

[Ramcius]

how do u fools who like to say shit feels like tvs and tvt and svs feel about MASTINA V RECKONER

burn both of them with fire ASAP

[Ramcius]

If you think this game or players are bad, you need play more games, it's pretty god game, if not look at some bad events

[Ramcius]

Eddie, can you give your real read on RN? Cause i'm tired of your flipflopping on them - "you won't lynch them, when we flip town", "you lose hydra with 2 experienced players, when lynch them" and your argument about Math clogging thread was just mindblowing, when you spammed no less

can someone who has experience tell me if mulch is always this useless

short answer would be yes

[Ramcius]

is it only me against lurker PL that gives us no associations? Cause i feel people really starting consider PP lynch

this isn't a good reason to not lynch pp. a LOT of scum lurk, and our job is to lynch the scummy people. associations we can get by ppl defending PP, but we don't really need them.

Are you try push NAI as AI? Town lurk too, also, PP isn't scummiest person here and seeing how fast interest gone for that wagon shows how "good" it was

[Ramcius]

"town lurk too" yeah town don't post, they don't have time, they're disengaged w/e

they try, they post some content to try and get engaged, they don't use their time discussing flavour which is pretty obviously just an useless distraction because scum

will have fakeclaims in any game in which flavour is indicative of alignment

i just don't see any reason argue you on this as no one is interested in PP anyway and we have 3 days left for lynch, so get on some serious wagon

[Ramcius]

"town lurk too" yeah town don't post, they don't have time, they're disengaged w/e

they try, they post some content to try and get engaged, they don't use their time discussing flavour which is pretty obviously just an useless distraction because scum

will have fakeclaims in any game in which flavour is indicative of alignment

i just don't see any reason argue you on this as no one is interested in PP anyway and we have 3 days left for lynch, so get on some serious wagon

sorry I forgot the game ended after d1

yes, it does, didn't get latest memo?

[Ramcius]

cia and ramcius, are you guys sorting each other or shitting snark on each other? There is a very important distinction.

we just discussing today's lynch

[Ramcius]

Mulch, are you going explain why Kise is town or you going just spam "Kise is town"?

[Ramcius]

Mulch, are you going explain why Kise is town or you going just spam "Kise is town"?

I already did, read my iSO

Is your only reason is that Eli is voting Kise? Cause i skimmed your ISO and didn't saw anything else besides your usual spam

[Ramcius]

Read it again

you realize that i'm not even voting him? You still didn't learned to provide case, when asked instead spam "X is town" or "X is scum", people don't listen those

[Ramcius]

None. I want to wagon chikoritas

we not lynching CiA

[Ramcius]

None. I want to wagon chikoritas

we not lynching CiA

Give me an alternative to Kise?

Brian, Reck, PN, choose

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Kise

[Ramcius]

Kise

i really didn't liked this and push on PP as counter and i was thinking "if Kise flips red, this'll too", when i changed my vote

VOTE: Brian

[Ramcius]

Kise

i really didn't liked this and push on PP as counter and i was thinking "if Kise flips red, this'll too", when i changed my vote

VOTE: Brian

Intesresting, would do Chikoritas first though. I would even do Penguin over Brian I think

you do you, i do who i think is scum and i can back up my read

[Ramcius]

Kise

i really didn't liked this and push on PP as counter and i was thinking "if Kise flips red, this'll too", when i changed my vote

VOTE: Brian

Intesresting, would do Chikoritas first though. I would even do Penguin over Brian I think

you do you, i do who i think is scum and i can back up my read

You mean when I asked why people were scumreading Kise and it took me 15 pages to get anything resembling a case on him, and it wasn't even by someone that was on the wagon?

how about fact that you never stated why Kise is town? And your attempt again to push PP is interesting - that was counter wagon at EoD to Kise - probably strongest and most important conspiracy member. I liked you naked vote on Kise and next post going back to PP without saying anything

[Ramcius]

how about fact that you never stated why Kise is town? And your attempt again to push PP is interesting - that was counter wagon at EoD to Kise - probably strongest and most important conspiracy member. I liked you naked vote on Kise and next post going back to PP without saying anything

I never stated why I thought Kise was town because I wasn't confident in the read and wanted people to help me in that regard. I spent the majority of EOD engaging Ellibereth, who was one of the strongest advocates of the wagon, and he not only refused to give me his reasons (which I asked him for), but he asked Leon to make the case for him.

I voted PP because while I thought the case was okay, it was written in a way that didn't seem like the person who wrote it was even that convinced by it. The alternative wagon was very obviously going to be Reck, who I wasn't okay with being lynched or even run up, so I just sheeped onto the Kise wagon (who I wasn't even that confident about even after the case and Mulch's sudden defense there made me very uncomfortable about it all).[/quote]

are you really try convince me that PP had good case while Kise didn't? I tried look your ISO, but i couldn't find anything serious why you prefer PP lynch

[Ramcius]

i just thought about something - any claimed PT can confirm that you had choice go to Metaverse pregame? Because town starts in real world and Conspiracy in Meta, so Mulch claim he went to Meta could be slip, if it wasn't possible to do so

[Ramcius]

i just thought about something - any claimed PT can confirm that you had choice go to Metaverse pregame? Because town starts in real world and Conspiracy in Meta, so Mulch claim he went to Meta could be slip, if it wasn't possible to do so

I don't understand what you're getting at here since Mulch is claiming a character that would almost certainly be able to make this choice pregame (and I think Varsoon claimed to go to Metaverse as well). Also, some characters reside in the Metaverse (see Igor, the twins).

you shouldn't blindly believe game flavor, but you right, i should've reread Varsoon entrance, somehow i assumed he was planning go Meta N1

[Ramcius]

i think we shouldn't trust crier - if they see someone visit killed person, then they should tell us. If we reveal targets, then it will work like public role cop and i don't really want scums to get free info like that

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Penguin

well, it's D2, start play game

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Penguin

well, it's D2, start play game

Uh...I am? I mean, vote me if you think I'm scum, but that was a bad reason.

you are? You not voting anyone, you not interacting with people, so i take it as a no and ignore your opinion about my vote being bad. D1 i was against your lynch, but now i'm ok with it, we got powerful scum PR lynch, so we have something to work with and lynching lurker is ok for PoE and gamesolving sake

[Ramcius]

I'm pretty sure it's benefitial for scum to sit on the sidelines for now.

There are plenty of players and plenty of lurkers, and scum would want to survive some days.

Won't be better to make strategy for town, not for scum?

[Ramcius]

Well, most likely scum have thought something like that and is doing that rn.

you completely missed my point - start doing something or i will put you on top of my lynch list and no one could bring "meta" argument

[Ramcius]

Well, most likely scum have thought something like that and is doing that rn.

you completely missed my point - start doing something or i will put you on top of my lynch list and no one could bring "meta" argument

creature is not currently lock town on meta jsyk

Edie, do me favor and stop posting before i start seriously consider your lynch, thx

[Ramcius]

Well, most likely scum have thought something like that and is doing that rn.

you completely missed my point - start doing something or i will put you on top of my lynch list and no one could bring "meta" argument

creature is not currently lock town on meta jsyk

Edie, do me favor and stop posting before i start seriously consider your lynch, thx

I've played probably 15 games with creature, haven't mislynched him once and correctly scum lynched him in all except 1 where he nkd me n1. But sure be passive aggressive.

i put it simple - if you want push creature - push him, want do something else - do it, but for love of god, stop teaching me how to play, i know how to do it

[Ramcius]

Ali, can i change my role to a dayvig that can shoot 3 times at once?

[Ramcius]

I would shoot penguin, chikorita as my “safe shots” and then allow me a hero shot to do as well

i would use all 3 on you

you were saying something aboutcreaturesmeta making him lock town. I pointed out that wasn't true really rn. was just trying to help.

key word is something, you had no clue what i was saying, maybe you haven't read start of the thread, neither does that matter to me, but if you don't understand what's going - you ask or you stay silent and observe, making useless posts just annoy people

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Mulch

meta never lies or something, am i right, Mulch?

[Ramcius]

Mulch L-3, so better not vote now, i want wait Dave at least, maybe he checked Mulch last night

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE:

L-3, don't hammer again, guys, while i'm asleep

[Ramcius]

I'd eliminate Purple Nurple, Rational Numbers, Leonshade, Ellibereth, Brian Skies, Ramcius and WhemeStar from being last scum here.

Any townread here you want explained?

why you think only 1 scum left?

@Varsoon, why you targeted Creature?

[Ramcius]

The crier talks a certain way, full grammar, no text speak, periods at the end of every sentence. In addition, they manage to put more than a few lines down. I would again be very surprised if the likes of Whemestar, Luv, Chikoritas were the crier.

I claim crier

then who you tracked N1?

[Ramcius]

Oh, d'oh.
I'm a cop with a guilty on creature.
I also am a mandatory vigilante. I killed Yume.
I tried killing Creature last night but it failed.
I have an inno on Rational Numbers.

so you have 2 actions a night??

he said rb is day action

[Ramcius]

also i think that crier is mastina and that's the role that they were complaining about in early d1

-ryannnnnnn/echooooooo/i like toasttttttttt

considering fact that mastina claimed different flavor, i doubt she's crier

[Ramcius]

PT isn't IC, try again

[Ramcius]

It's already been explained why PT is most likely town and besides that the Luv vote is bad period PT or not.

"most likely", i like it during night i was tinfoiling a bit - why we got Kise lynched so easy? Making PTs to VT is powerful ability and came to idea that several fakeclaims are PTs, effectively reducing viability of vanilaizer

also, i like vote on me, but you should look elsewhere, i have ways to confirm myself, so i'm not getting lynched

[Ramcius]

Wouldn't Kise being able to VT people make it more likely PTs

are

town he just had really awful play. Look at the other 2 scum it's not like anyone was really shocked at there flip because they had barely any influence on the thread. I think that explains why Kise was easy to lynch the only people who would save him (his partners) didn't do much

VOTE: Smo
Sure if you can clear yourself perfect I'll vote the person who was defending all flipped scum.
Pedit: Not at all I'll flip a vote on that if it happens.

not really, does it makes sense ability that can turn 7 (8, if count Akira) PRs to VTs? That's like half town, but we got him easy enough without any strong counterwagon

[Ramcius]

2 of them are gone so 6 being town 1 that can't get hit by the VT that makes it 5 people kise can hit (maybe even less) I think that makes sense.

You mean Akira? It was stated that he can be vanilaized, if some conditions will be met

VOTE: Smocaine

i like to flip this slot

[Ramcius]

No I mean xRECKONERx he can only be killed.

ah, right, ascetic, my bad

[Ramcius]

VOTE: anitsam
VOTE: mastina
VOTE: Purple Nurple

If attacking a confirmed inno isn't a scum claim what is?

I wanna do this: Thoughts Varsoon?

And we are reevaluating. I am looking at every wagon right now. The evidence is how little we are posting among other things.

Drixx has taught me to look for Town motivation not scum and I don't see the Town motivation in all the words against us and then dropping a vote on Smocaine.

~~Math

who is confirmed inno?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: anitsam
VOTE: mastina
VOTE: Purple Nurple

If attacking a confirmed inno isn't a scum claim what is?

I wanna do this: Thoughts Varsoon?

And we are reevaluating. I am looking at every wagon right now. The evidence is how little we are posting among other things.

Drixx has taught me to look for Town motivation not scum and I don't see the Town motivation in all the words against us and then dropping a vote on Smocaine.

~~Math

who is confirmed inno?

Drixx and I

~~Math

oh, for a sec i thought you were serious there

[Ramcius]

VOTE: anitsam
VOTE: mastina
VOTE: Purple Nurple

If attacking a confirmed inno isn't a scum claim what is?

I wanna do this: Thoughts Varsoon?

And we are reevaluating. I am looking at every wagon right now. The evidence is how little we are posting among other things.

Drixx has taught me to look for Town motivation not scum and I don't see the Town motivation in all the words against us and then dropping a vote on Smocaine.

~~Math

who is confirmed inno?

Drixx and I

~~Math

oh, for a sec i thought you were serious there

I am

~~Math

@chesskid -- When we lynch Purple Nurple I'll shut up about them being scum.

why you still alive? I remember you said you going die N1

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: anitsam
VOTE: mastina
VOTE: Purple Nurple

If attacking a confirmed inno isn't a scum claim what is?

I wanna do this: Thoughts Varsoon?

And we are reevaluating. I am looking at every wagon right now. The evidence is how little we are posting among other things.

Drixx has taught me to look for Town motivation not scum and I don't see the Town motivation in all the words against us and then dropping a vote on Smocaine.

~~Math

who is confirmed inno?

Drixx and I

~~Math

oh, for a sec i thought you were serious there

I am

~~Math

@chesskid -- When we lynch Purple Nurple I'll shut up about them being scum.

why you still alive? I remember you said you going die N1

Scum are being silly? I don't know why scum are playing so badly. Ask Purple Nurple.

~~Math

should i take this as a sign that i'm not your scum list anymore?

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: anitsam
VOTE: mastina
VOTE: Purple Nurple

If attacking a confirmed inno isn't a scum claim what is?

I wanna do this: Thoughts Varsoon?

And we are reevaluating. I am looking at every wagon right now. The evidence is how little we are posting among other things.

what your thoughts about Smoc?
Drixx has taught me to look for Town motivation not scum and I don't see the Town motivation in all the words against us and then dropping a vote on Smocaine.

~~Math

who is confirmed inno?

Drixx and I

~~Math

oh, for a sec i thought you were serious there

I am

~~Math

@chesskid -- When we lynch Purple Nurple I'll shut up about them being scum.

why you still alive? I remember you said you going die N1

Scum are being silly? I don't know why scum are playing so badly. Ask Purple Nurple.

~~Math

should i take this as a sign that i'm not your scum list anymore?

Purple Nurple WhemeStar and Chesskid are my top three scumreads ATM.

Drixx is still doing his thing but the data is pretty clear on Purple and Kid.

WhemeStar is there because of the "joke"

~~Math

[Ramcius]

should i take this as a sign that i'm not your scum list anymore?

Purple Nurple WhemeStar and Chesskid are my top three scumreads ATM.

Drixx is still doing his thing but the data is pretty clear on Purple and Kid.

WhemeStar is there because of the "joke"

~~Math[/quote]

thoughts on Smoc?

(i tried ask same in previous message, but i messed seomething)

[Ramcius]

Purple Nurple WhemeStar and Chesskid are my top three scumreads ATM.

Drixx is still doing his thing but the data is pretty clear on Purple and Kid.

WhemeStar is there because of the "joke"

~~Math

thoughts on Smoc?

(i tried ask same in previous message, but i messed seomething)

EBWOP

[Ramcius]

It's simple. Kise didn't flip hated. He flipped with only 11 votes.

Either someone on that wagon is a secret double voter (likely chesskid who ended the day early which is a scum claim in and of itself) or Alisae made a mod error.

~~Math

Pedit: Smocaine is null for me atm read wise. Because of the wagon data he's probably town based on counter wagons and vote trends so prob town.

well, PP gave up and probably we are dealing with 5 scum team, so only 1 other scum around, not that easy to make counterwagon to him

[Ramcius]

i hate you all, why you doing this to me?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Varsoon

i prefer venge kill and won't pray Conspiracy to kill him for us, they have strange NKs till now

[Ramcius]

does bus driver is unblockable? I looked at wiki and there's nothing

also, letting you off the hook is to get resolved by kill, not to keep your wifom going on after all this shit hit the fan

[Ramcius]

sweet, insults time, but should i remind you that it was you, who gladiated, also, it was you, who accepted your lynch not that long ago, so why all this hostility?

Also, sidenote: i don't mind lynch ton, if that helps solve game and i would like to hear what more you holding back, that could prove you are town?

[Ramcius]

i read thread, but you didn't had guilty on him, you earlier realized not PT isn't conf scum, and i want to add that someone not dying to vig isn't guilty either, so stop put everything on mod error, when you simply wanted to push Creature lynch for some reason. BP isn't only way to survive, maybe he had some TP on him, or who knows what else what might've happened, it's closed theme with crazy roles, yet you were narrow-minded and now ask us to keep all this chaos/wifom shit floating around?

Also, you might be scum vig that want get more kills before Dave gets chance to send calling card

Anyway, i liked how you became hostile in instant i said i like your lynch instead trying to talk with me

[Ramcius]

Math, you was talking about masonry earlier, but i didn't paid much attention at time, but now i looked at flipped people's and saw only Reck being Dave's masonry enabler. Was you talking about that masonry or something else?

[Ramcius]

@Varsoon, why you didn't saw anything wrong, when got not PT result on Creature? According to you, you killed Yume and got no result, so getting not PT on Creature should've ring a bell that something different

[Ramcius]

@Varsoon, why you didn't saw anything wrong, when got not PT result on Creature? According to you, you killed Yume and got no result, so getting not PT on Creature should've ring a bell that something different

Yeah--that's why I was especially convinced something wrong was going on with Creature, especially their claim re:BP and Metaverse.


And, of course I'm going to be angry with anyone who reads up to this point, somehow thinks I'm scum, and will push for my lynch.

no, my problem is, why you proceeded with attempt kill Creature, when obviously something was wrong? Miller gave no result, Creature gave not PT result

[Ramcius]

Did you asked if you still kill someone in metaverse, when you i9n real world?

[Ramcius]

poop

that's a good way to describe your play here

[Ramcius]

Varsoon claims to kill Yume, CiA says they busdrived Creature and Yume, Varsoon claims he shot Creature N2 and got not PT feedback as a mod error, he wasn't supposed get any, Creature claims not BP and that he was in Meta, while Varsoon claims he was in real world all time, he didn't asked, if his vig works on Meta from real world either, he didn't answered me, why he shot Creature and why he thought it was guilty ti get "not PT", when he got no result on miller

[Ramcius]

i hope not, i prefer not to have to prodge till this day ends

[Ramcius]

i don't mind it. i've been busy anyway.
who wants to be motivated?
you can choose to take that question seriously or not.

me

[Ramcius]

Varsoon claims to kill Yume, CiA says they busdrived Creature and Yume, Varsoon claims he shot Creature N2 and got not PT feedback as a mod error, he wasn't supposed get any, Creature claims not BP and that he was in Meta, while Varsoon claims he was in real world all time, he didn't asked, if his vig works on Meta from real world either, he didn't answered me, why he shot Creature and why he thought it was guilty ti get "not PT", when he got no result on miller

Sorry, thought I did answer.
I thought the death flip from Yume was basically my 'result' for PT/Non-PT there, OR that the role functionality was as-intended and I wasn't supposed to get a result on non-PTs.
When I got a result on Creature, instead of immediately saying, "Wait, why did I not get one from Yume," I was immediately like "Shit, shit, creature's scum!? Kill him!"

honestly, the more you give excuses, the less i like them. If you said day ended sudden, you had no plan, made rushed shot Creature, i would believed, but you telling you were aware that you got conflicting results, but you didn't cleared it with host, but proceeded with shot

can anyone who played with Varsoon before tell me, if he's been this reckless before?

[Ramcius]

Also I think the stuff he added on to the end of his claim (vengeful, calling card enabler) is really out there and I don't see him as the town gambit type

yes, i disliked too, when he gladiated and was ready to die, but later he tried save himself with anything he could

yes, Dave's cop is enabled, it's on rc, but on other hand, there's probably 2 scum left, possibly Mulch made one of them ascetic, we don't know if there's more detection immune mafia too, so i don't expect too much from cop ability at this stage of the game

also, other thing on Dave's rc pinged me - his real world dreaming god is disabled, so i had idea that disabling cop might enable it and Dave could use arcana's as dreaming god in real world instead of 1-shot abilities in Meta

[Ramcius]

I was never ready to die, asshole.

oh my, aren't we sensitive?

VOTE: Creature

Or lynch me, it's that easy

Blammo

i was talking about this

[Ramcius]

how are you confirmed?

[Ramcius]

@ali would someone be informed if they were made ascetic by Mulch's power?

yes, Mulch rc says person gets informed, if they becomes ascetic

[Ramcius]

how are you confirmed?

Read the game thread.

thx, i will

[Ramcius]

@Ali

hypthetical question - if compulsive vig shots someone, but his target gets bus driven, who will die? Original target or bus driven? Also, if he shots in real world, but target in Meta, will target die?

(i know, you can't answer those, but certain person is so full of himself and have no wish to try clear things up... )

[Ramcius]

@Ali hypthetical question - if compulsive vig shots someone, but his target gets bus driven, who will die? Original target or bus driven? Also, if he shots in real world, but target in Meta, will target die?

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[Ramcius]

@Ali

can i get suicide button, pls?

[Ramcius]

you targeted Yume and Creature with a flavour cop?

Well, not exactly. We targeted them with a busdrive, which according to Alisae doesn't affect them directly therefore we're not really targeting them or something. The flavour cop thing is an add-on to that, where we also find out their flavours (but scum's fakeclaims appear as their flavour to us)

so, how this "bus drive" works? What it does exactly?

[Ramcius]

the busdrive thing kinda comes with a flavour cop thing

so you

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targeting them? (Yume and Creature, for example)

Yes, but not with the busdrive.

i was confused about this convo. What you meant "not with bus drive"?

[Ramcius]

i meant that we didn't target them with a bus driving ability. i mean now that i think about it we weren't actually targeting them with the flavour cop anyway, but yeah.

wait wait wait, so what you actually did N1?

[Ramcius]

Creature refused to claim to me in our hood which makes me unhapppy.

I'd either like the claim to me or the flip I think.

well, he was willing to claim in main thread, but people said to him not to

[Ramcius]

Varsoon claims to kill Yume, CiA says they busdrived Creature and Yume, Varsoon claims he shot Creature N2 and got not PT feedback as a mod error, he wasn't supposed get any, Creature claims not BP and that he was in Meta, while Varsoon claims he was in real world all time, he didn't asked, if his vig works on Meta from real world either, he didn't answered me, why he shot Creature and why he thought it was guilty ti get "not PT", when he got no result on miller

Sorry, thought I did answer.
I thought the death flip from Yume was basically my 'result' for PT/Non-PT there, OR that the role functionality was as-intended and I wasn't supposed to get a result on non-PTs.
When I got a result on Creature, instead of immediately saying, "Wait, why did I not get one from Yume," I was immediately like "Shit, shit, creature's scum!? Kill him!"

honestly, the more you give excuses, the less i like them. If you said day ended sudden, you had no plan, made rushed shot Creature, i would believed, but you telling you were aware that you got conflicting results, but you didn't cleared it with host, but proceeded with shot

can anyone who played with Varsoon before tell me, if he's been this reckless before?

VOTE: Creature

Pretty scummy to be voting Varsoon at this point, imo.

~D

why we shouldn't lynch him then?

[Ramcius]

Right but that's all ass backwards

no, why he should claim in some hood? You aren't conf town, so i see no reason why he should do it

[Ramcius]

informed decision? If it comes down to Creature lynch, he will have claim in main thread anyway. Locking in claim in this big closed setup with wonky roles? Also, you might die, or face same fate as Eli, there's no real benefit for you to know Creature's claim

[Ramcius]

why you town, chess, and why you think Creature can be scum?

[Ramcius]

only Ramcius?
i was hoping someone else wanted to do a fun gladiate or something. maybe a dayvig on davesaz? can i motivate anyone in that direction?

i hope you don't use this on me, i need motivation to keep play this, not enable more abilities

[Ramcius]

Pretty sure I could help you solve the game.

ofc you can, tell your buddies to surrender

[Ramcius]

that isn't me saying "i want to lynch creature", its me saying "we have an option of no lynch and likely mislynch, which do you prefer?" because i am not going to tolerate anybody trying to wagon creature after we no lynched over roping him

tbh, i could lynch you just for this, but people are townreading your slot for some unknown reason

[Ramcius]

Tbh, you're a dumbass

if you want get personal, don't waste your time, i'm not interested, you clearly don't have anything to say that would be worth my time

[Ramcius]

I'm not hyped.

well, it's your own fault for not taking detection immune rc

[Ramcius]

I blame you tbh.

too bad, i don't feel sorry at all

[Ramcius]

Your apathy makes me happy.

you are pure evil, you deserve to die, oh, right...

[Ramcius]

We should have lynched Creature.

~D

another one woke up just before deadline, where you were earlier?

[Ramcius]

Probably not maf
Dave
Eli
Smocaine
purple
rational
varsoon
chikorita*
creature
maki kaito
chara

Probably maf
Lil Uzi Vert
Leonshade
Chesskid3
Ramcius*
WhemeStar*
Brian Skies

These reads have been focus tested and marinated over the course of the whole day. Thanks Varsoon for the slowdown to catch up.

i hope you go down with PP tonight, these are really shitty reads