Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Elliberetta]

Hi everyone, I'm excited to play my first large theme and second game on this site!
Please be gentle.

Vote: Bulbazak

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We have to vote for a group first

Group A is tomorrow sheep along group B today thanks

Thanks for the advice!

It's embarassing that another newbie like me is learning so fast while I'm making such elementary errors.

Why should I vote group B?
It's my understanding that decisions in mafia are to be made with careful reasoning and logic.

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Ah, I get it!
I really need to learn missing such elementary things.

Vote: Group B

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I tihnk we should self impose deadlines that would let us win this game before the new year.

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unvote

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Don't drop the gimmik.
You've been through such bullying before.

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I HAVE RETURNED

FROM HELL AND BACK

PRAISE THEE

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1)

For people who don't know.
CHESCKERSMAN is a good friend of mine irl.

We've known each other for a long time and have talked extensively on how we approach mafia and what we think play should be etc.

HE IS 100% TOWN HERE
100%

He would not care as much about this game as he does as scum.
He would not be posting at the absurd ratio he is in this game as scum.

He's actually similar to me in one huge regard: he's only super hard to read as scum when he cares deeply about winning a scum game.

And I can 100% garuantee you he would not give a flying fuck about winning this if he rolled scum so.

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2)

ALISAE I FUCKING CALLED IT IN THE SIGN UP THREAD I WANT MY CREDITS.

TOP LEVEL READING IN AND OUT OF GAME

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Anyway I hate meta so I'll wait for Elli to get in here and assure me LUV is town but I don't think anything short of that is stopping my deathtunnel as you put it.

I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS BUT I'VE SKIMMED SEVERAL OF THEIR GAMES PREVIOUSLY FOR *REASONS* AND MY INSTINCTUAL CALL HERE IS TOWN.

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POLICY
NULL

ALI WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS

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YO GINGIE
ARE YOU SCUMREADING LUV
OR ARE YOU PRETENDING TO SCUMREAD LUV

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POLICY
NULL

ALI WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS

We are
I think you could fool me so I'm putting you to the side for later

ali bb
if you're still haunted by fortnight
read my comments about my scumplay in the qt <3

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^^^ his and my point is that I go full tryhardscumbereth a very very low percentage of the time

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goddamnit gingie

so basically luv should be calling you scum and not lol he might be town but he's faking from your pov yeah?

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I'll stuff you in a washing machine.

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INTERMISSION

can people who think they've been obvtown raise their hand ty

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He’s caught and is too sick to try.

luv
is gingie scum now or still in the might be town faking?

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She might be Elli, she might be.

I played some mafia irl in college

and a dear friend of mine would always say

"They could be mafia...but they could also not be mafia...hmmmm"

and then say that about everyone.

You reminded me of this.

[Elliberetta]

you don't know them they were in esports

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ali if you're awake who in this playerlist isn't LOLMAFIASCUM in your opinion.

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ftr im mafiascum, born and bred.

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I like to think I’m town of meta alone but if that isn’t enough motivation should be. I haven’t done anything I think that siginfanctly could help achieve a scum win-con.

ok i believe you

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"I like to think I’m town of meta alone"

^^^

If I find that you've said something like in a game where you're scum before I'll be VERY disappointed.

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i have the most townreads in group b atm wut bout u guys

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Hell
maybe I should just stop playing mafia and just mod
maybe that'll make me happy.

you know what else would make you happy
when i make you eat your own liver.

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i have the most townreads in group b atm wut bout u guys

ratio is still shitty though

2-3-2

haven't really though about or did meta checks yet either lul

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first 2 inclusive

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can you stand the nightmares

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what if you wake up and you've been kidnapped

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ANDREW IS YOU RATIO SOMETHING LIKE 2-3-2 INCLUSIVE

ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE

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CHESS*
FUCK

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the rest of you kids too

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yeah there'll be a beautiful garden
gorgeous lakes
a thriving marketplace
elegant tamed beasts
money and riches as far as the eye can see

and you'll be tied up in the dungeons

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Do you prefer the psychological despair of being deprived of bountiful resouces so close to you that you can see but just can't get route.

or the pits of darkness route

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I'm about here

Majiffy - null
Rautherdir - town
SnarkySnowman - scum
Thor665 - null lean town
momo - null lean scum
Lil Uzi Vert - FUCK YOU (town by elli)
ConManMick - null lean town

we're flipped on momo

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INTERMISSION

can people who think they've been obvtown raise their hand ty

this is more intended for the peanut gallery btw

that means you folk that weren't around in the few pages since i've been back

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I like to think I’m town of meta alone but if that isn’t enough motivation should be. I haven’t done anything I think that siginfanctly could help achieve a scum win-con.

ok i believe you

LUV you'll save me a lot of work if you just promise you haven't said this sort of thing ("I like to think I’m town of meta alone") as scum before.

do you promise.

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viewtopic.php?p=9741941#p9741941

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I've false positived desperado with Ellitell before and his relative post times don't indicate heavy lurking.

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that said we should rag him on it because i think he dislikes being ragged about it lul

YO DESPERADO YOU'RE ONLINE

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he logged off lmao

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Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable

"In past games I've played on this site I have only used meta to justify being town when I am town" is perfectly acceptable

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he's free to lie.

like me asking you to promise you're not scum

and you being like I promise

is fine.

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What bothers me about Elliberetta is that I haven't seen him doing something.

i have a variable length charge up period

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I was scum in the quoted game but it's a fairly accurate description: viewtopic.php?p=9663945#p9663945.

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viewtopic.php?p=9741941#p9741941

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viewtopic.php?p=9741941#p9741941

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Lil Uzi Vert - Obvious Town

Break my arms and kill me

*not sure if dan was joining on the rping train or not*

ali what do you think

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This shows that your purpose was to slander, smear, and discredit my statement, instead of tackling the reasons I scumread you, as a means to get rid of any pressure I am or could deliver on your slot.

so he's town

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Desperado Lurks as scum and doesn't really do much
As Town he actually makes attempts to solve the game

I expect way more gamesolving from Desperado.

ask chess and elli what they "expect" from me

and even if your bullshit burden of proficiency were defensible (and the short answer to a very long story is it's not, except for when it is), 5 players account for nearly 66% of the posts thus far...there is nothing to solve yet. there hasn't been a real vote cast.

i'm here, i'm reading, i want to lynch in group B, and i want LUV to claim. if you're looking for anything more from me right now, it's gonna be a long journey on the way to nothing.

I'm disappointed you didn't respond indignantly to by meming about your activity.

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to me* meming about

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YO ASSEMBLE GET IN HERE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
YOU CAN EVEN NOT READ ANYTHING JUST SAY THAT YOU'RE FLOATING AROUND

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I LIKE HOW YOU THINK

BUT TRYYYY AGAIN NEXT TIME

viewtopic.php?p=9405040#p9405040

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wait he was town there right

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yeah he was town

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Elli, I know we're not going to agree on Checkers, but talk to me about another read. I want to clear my head from that for awhile, and I won't even think about typing that longer post until tonight when I get home.

P-edit: I don't remember Creature ever making a checklist. I just have that as null for now. Creature really hasn't towned it up enough for me yet.

SURE

I NEED TO CHECK SOME META FOR THIS BUT I THINK CREATURE SCUM WOULD CHECK THE GAMESTATE BEFORE CATCHING UP AT LEAST BRIEFLY AND NOT JUST CATCHUP FULL BLIND

I DON'T THINK HE WAS FAKING THINKING ALI ALT WAS MARIA

THEREFOR HIS CATCHUP WAS FULL BLIND

THEREFORE HE'S TOWN

[Elliberetta]

YOU'VE USED UP YOUR ONE FREE ELLI EXPLAINS A READ FOR THIS GAMEDAY

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and lmao did he think me chess and dan were hydras LOL

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OH

How's your job. What you do.

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Wut you stream? Games on twitch?

Also are you good at reading eddie he's the guy you hydra with yeah.

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oooh thats cool
What's your favorite game you've done?
How many do you actually finish?

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on the flip side how good do you think eddie is at reading you

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because when the time comes we can blow group a wide fucking open I think

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If assemble gets in here I break the shit out of group A and we do that

ez mode

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AT LEAST NONE OF YOU FUCKERS HAVE ONE POST

UNLIKE

ASSEMBLE

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It's day 1 in a large, anyone advancing any scum read as particularly meaningful is being silly.

example of you having this philosophy before plz

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see chess i told you momo was town

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see chess i told you momo was town

i didn't read past the second line of his post when i wrote this LOL

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i mean the town part still stands but i'll let you yell at him for the last part

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It's day 1 in a large, anyone advancing any scum read as particularly meaningful is being silly.

example of you having this philosophy before plz

I'll offer a counter bit of research for you - go see how many Larges I choose to *start* in over the past five years and you'll get an answer pretty quickly.
I know for a fact I'm on record on site somewhere a few years back in a game advocating just lynching people for a few days to cut down on the noise. But I don't offer the thought a lot because I explicitly avoid the stage as much as possible. Because I have the thought.

does start mean to join?

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ASSSSEMBBBBBLEEEEEEEEE

I KNOW YOU'RE ARRROOOUUUNDDDDDD

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*high five*

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I've false positived desperado with Ellitell before and his relative post times don't indicate heavy lurking.

but yeah this on desp in particular tho

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VOTE: group b

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low activity weekend because of anime new york

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I like to think I’m town of meta alone but if that isn’t enough motivation should be. I haven’t done anything I think that siginfanctly could help achieve a scum win-con.

ok i believe you

LUV you'll save me a lot of work if you just promise you haven't said this sort of thing ("I like to think I’m town of meta alone") as scum before.

do you promise.

LUV

I STILL WANT THIS
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[Elliberetta]

It's day 1 in a large, anyone advancing any scum read as particularly meaningful is being silly.

example of you having this philosophy before plz

I'll offer a counter bit of research for you - go see how many Larges I choose to *start* in over the past five years and you'll get an answer pretty quickly.
I know for a fact I'm on record on site somewhere a few years back in a game advocating just lynching people for a few days to cut down on the noise. But I don't offer the thought a lot because I explicitly avoid the stage as much as possible. Because I have the thought.

I'll do my own digging here after the weekends over but is there anyone else who else whos' played a large with him here that can remember this attitude.

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SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

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oh bulba you want your ceasefire?
lemme spell it out

is chess capable of fooling me and dan if he really really tried?
YES

would it take nontrivial effort from him over a prolonged period of time?
YES

would doing it probably only work once and then the next time it'd be even harder to do?
YES

So the now the only quesion is would he be willing to put in the effort here.
NOPE

And come on you've just met him for a little bit but you should know he's not blowing his one time on me here with this particular game and playerlist

for reference the recent alisae game that finished is townelli vs. scumchess

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okay
i mean if you're 10 for 10 pew pew and he's been both alignments that'll be nice

but that leads to a follow up

how do i tell the difference between townscend and scumscend?
have you done something here only townscend would do?

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im REALLY fucking bad at this alt thing huh

at least the accounts basically look the same

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UNLUCCCKYYY

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fuckme

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I appreciate the honesty but that makes my life harder huh

because I'll have to read through a bunch of your games and find something

riparoni

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fun fact tho, you're the first person to answer no to the first question

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I meant "no" in the sense that "you can't read me" haha.

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GODDAMNIT MAKING ME DO RESEARCH

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oh at least you have a fucking sorted wiki so i can just open your scumgames tyjesus

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I feel like i've read through these before during ali looking for something else lmao

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I mean you can eat with your hands too.
But i prefer using some tools.

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oh yeah creature irrelevant for today but dan is way more likely town than not (above the usual degree of everyone being more likely town lul)

not a 100% lock like chesskid but still

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i ifnally remembered to log into this account on the first try hurray

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it doesn't matter because we're doing group b

for why chesskid is 100% town see my post to bulba on the previous? page.

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Does snarky read the thread as either alignment.

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and ppl wonder why i need to use meta on mafiascum in 2017.

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tldr

[_] Read the members of group B

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Assemblerotws

u wut m8

Thor665

u wut m8

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posting these here for my own ease of reference later

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthre ... 58-Worm-WW
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=73149
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72407
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72817
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72746

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likewise

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70810
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73733
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73592
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70568
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70568
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70799
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69418

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idk

i have some respect for thor's intelligence

even if his philosophy for most large's is lol I dunt care about early game (which I still need to verify)

this game is practically three 5-2 minis and can be treated more of as such.

I think townthor would realize this difference and adjust.

while scumthor is more likely to pull up this meta of his large philosophy that i need to verify and be like loliduncared1lul

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you may go

and so shall I

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this game is practically three 5-2 minis and can be treated more of as such.

No it can't.
And even if I were to accept that claim - feel free to explain the scumhunting possible in the group vote section.
Like, explain how scum are motivated and how you can possibly track that at this stage.
I'll wait.

I mean I think you're wrong but if you actually believe that we can have the chat later.

I'm busy at a con this weekend and I see that you have joined larges before so it would be VERY helpful if you just linked me 1 or 2 examples of thinking this same thing before ANYWHERE as town.

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SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

snary plz help me

[Elliberetta]

i mean u presumably remember where you've said it before and aren't on ur phone all weekend so it should be easier for u

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the theory is also pretty ez

if i can't find evidence u thought this way before im getting u lynched lul

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on the random thing

just because you don't know of a method doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

i'd at least reccomend you look at my last two town games

random chance is like 17% accuracy?

i can garuantee i can do better with just data.

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and like of course its easier for u to remember where u said something than for me to go find where u said something wtf you have some sense of what to look for

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i do have examples

past two games ive' played

lmao

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if you don't think even a primitive system with human assistance that has enough sample size that tracks word choice, post times, and other concrete shit like that can't do better than random on d1 you're the one fooling yourself lmao

but I don't care about convincing you I'll just keep turning in good results

and i'll just do the busy work to find ur shit myself on ~monday~

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if you don't think even a primitive system with human assistance that has enough sample size that tracks word choice, post times, and other concrete shit like that can't do better than random on d1 you're the one fooling yourself lmao

I do think that and expalined why.
Feel free to describe your criteria - as I've asked.
I would love to be able to mine the group selection voting. I just don't see how.

i gtg

but if this is sometihng ur actually interested in

how many games in a row do i need above random accuracy on d1 in a row for you to admit that there exists a method and that you just don't know it

you can't call sometihng luck forever.

i'm not planning on teaching or sharing in the near future and I gnerrally can make up reasons or find reasons that people will sheep after the fact so.

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I would sheep Elli

how's the weather on Mars?

i understand (tho i disagree) with the concept of disapproving of sheeping in general

but why would you specifically disapprove of sheeping someone you recently got out of a game with where they only misread one person (coincidentally you but).

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yeah im saying they are meaningful

but yeah we can do this after the game when we don't have doubts about each other's alignments.

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because this isn't that game

i dont know you're town

i think most of your tells are garbage

and in this particular instance I was questioning why mikan would sheep you on thor when you have went even developed a read on him yet

what makes a tell garbage or not garbage

(Hint: it's not whether they logically make sense to you)

but okay the last line was not clear but i get it.

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i wish i didnt obsessively check this sit eon my phone somtimes

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I really like Thor coming out of that conversation with Elli. I'd like to see more of that, only from something more alignment bearing.

[Elliberetta]

Yo. Weekend got away from me. Will try to catch up at some point today. I know I have outstanding questions, lemme find those and I'll see what I can do. Have we picked a group yet?

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SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

where's my response snowman

[Elliberetta]

ali's obviously town and shouldn't replace them because i love them and we'll win this game

ALI PLZZZZZ

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Thor like "abort conversation"

hmm?

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SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

where's my response snowman

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I'm in peaceful protest against vote tags until I solve the game.

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which should be sooner than later if some people showed up and if some people answered some thing things zzzz.

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Yo. Weekend got away from me. Will try to catch up at some point today. I know I have outstanding questions, lemme find those and I'll see what I can do. Have we picked a group yet?

BROKEN PROMISES

BROKEN

PROMISES

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memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=25190

tick tock tick tock tick tock

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LMAO

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i only spent time making sure luv is town since last time i said anything lul

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why dont we just ask him

YO MOMO

WHY ARE YOU TOWN HERE

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Alright, you guys can vote me. [for now].

also an example of you saying something along these lines as town before would be nice ~

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I mean yeah I'm pretty sure he's town.

I'm just not ready to parse through the final 4 yet.

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something like this
I can probably parse out a few more on the outside groups if i tried but

GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor
CMM

GROUP C
vflare
Desp
Gingie
Rach

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skirt's super cool

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rach i need to review what her scumrange is like I added her back at the last second

I'm not removing ging for sure
same with eddie

I don't think ali would do a tactical replace out.

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well i disagree

and their reads in their post were dece so

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VOTE: CMM

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been online
been on site chat
been everywhere

EXCEPT HERE

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Actually I am glad Elli has doubts about me, the amount of town reading me in this game has made me rather worried.

Okay rach is town.

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ignore my penis

How to ignore something that doesn't exist?

i died

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nah just lurking

if i had a dollar for each person in the game that didn't have good content

I'd have ummm

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idk probably enough money for dinner and lunch

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UNVOTE:

i don't want lolhammer before Mick have chance to claim

This looks pretty phony

seems consistent

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i mean its not if they've done it before as town tho.

also chesskid's alt slipped more times than assemble has posted this game lmao

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im catching up to vlfare

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not as good as INACTION DAN

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I have a feeling a good chunk of you know each other offsite

Mirite?

there is absolutely no way i know chesskid or action dan off site.

neither of them are in this game anyways

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SNOWMAN

HOW HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN

TOWNSNOWMAN
AND SCUMSNOWMAN

TYVM

where's my response snowman

I'LL EVEN MAKE THE QUESTION EASIER

what have you done here that only snarkytown does

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He's posted on site.

He's chatted on site chat.

When he's online his name appears at the bottom of the home screen.

And his last online updates on his profile.

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VOTE: UNVOTE

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the fucker's online I want his post

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UNVOTE:

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Been pretty swamped at work my B. Committing to getting on properly in about 2hrs and sorting my shit out xo
Lemme know if there's anything y'all want me to taco bout

you've been active on site

and you decided to not incidentally check the one game you're in

and go socialize in se/site chat instead

why

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ps if you lied again about when you'll start doing shit (i.e. in the next hour or so) your temporarily delay of chesskidhammer will be unstayed

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the fucker logged off

someone put down a countdown clock i don't know how to do those

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Been pretty swamped at work my B. Committing to getting on properly in about 2hrs and sorting my shit out xo
Lemme know if there's anything y'all want me to taco bout

so he has to check in byy...12:49 here.
Ill give him a little leeway

someone put a 1 hour countdown.

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was there a shortcut or did you type everything i see when i press quote on ur post

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Time's up

VOTE: CMM

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gonna wait for the guilty because there better be one/world's most obvious shot

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but actually though
make sure everyone checks in

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I HAVE RETURNED

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As a a showing of gratitude for y'all sating my fetish for lurker lynches yesterday I will now lead y'all to a GLORIOUS VICTORY.

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Step fucking 1:

Has every player posted since daystart.

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Chessy I like how you took some tools from my toolbox and made them your own.

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Majiffy and Assemble still need to check in

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oh wait majiffy doesn't matter only assemble does

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So why is Assemble not scum?

Because he's known for lurking as town and being active as scum + he had genuine posts like 1778 where while everybody was 'flailing' he posted something more serious.

TIME TO CHECK

posting these here for my own ease of reference later

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthre ... 58-Worm-WW
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=73149
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72407
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72817
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72746

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god did i choose really shitty links back then he has 2, 7, 9, 12 posts lmao

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yeah no creature where the hell are you getting the active as scum part

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didn't you just copy my list from d1 and change vflare

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i'll let you know after tryhardberetta's fucking live and operational

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I'm about here

Majiffy - null
Rautherdir - town
SnarkySnowman - scum
Thor665 - null lean town
momo - null lean scum
Lil Uzi Vert - FUCK YOU (town by elli)
ConManMick - null lean town

we're flipped on momo

lol that was you.

[Elliberetta]

something like this
I can probably parse out a few more on the outside groups if i tried but

GROUP A
Eddie
Assemble
WhyMafia

Group B
Jiffy
Snarky
Thor
CMM

GROUP C
vflare
Desp
Gingie
Rach

but yeah
i called rach town after this so the only difference is vflare

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O i thought I stole it from u in a previous game but I'm lazy so

maybe from our hydra stuff

I'm less publicly abbrasive

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ps I don't see vflare

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I agree with Assemble but not Von.

But yes, they’re Micks.

I'd expect scum!vonflare to be more invested.

NO RESEARCH DONE

but this doesn't align with this superficially

ctrl+F vonflare

nothing

prepare for the storm, cheet

The last time we played together I'm pretty sure you got lynched for lurking as scum.
(:

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yeah no creature where the hell are you getting the active as scum part

If you link to the real post there's context prior.

Creature plz respond to this ty.

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Hey mod while you're doing replacements, assemble has 6 TOTAL posts

Will send him a "warning" for inactivity.

I have already sent a few warning to players.

search.php?author_id=30105&sr=posts

headbash

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I'm asking a slot you think is town where he's getting how to read a slot I can't read and you're like nostop wtf is wrong with you -.-

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wat that comment is about assemble

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like wtf

creature says assemble is active as scum

I try to check and find no posts from assemble in all the scum games I can find.

I ask creature where the hell he's getting his assemble is active as scum for

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oh

it was about desp

carry on

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I KNOW AND MY RESEARCH SUPPORTS THAT WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO TALK TO CREATURE ABOUT WHY HE GOT THE IMPRESSION ASSEMBLE IS ACTIVE AS TOWN

jesus christ

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chesskid you too where the hell did you get vlfare town because that one better be meta

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WHO THE HELL IS SCUMREADING CREATURE

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IF YOU THINK ITS ME

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO

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Luv wtf you've played with me i don' talk to people i think are scum.

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like seriouslly

creature says 1+1=3

elli fucking checks and sees that 1+1=2

and asks creature where he got the 3 from.

and you're all like nonono wtf are you doing.

the right thing to do is shutup and let him tell me where he got 1+1=3 from because you might learn something to from it

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There’s no case against Assemble or Toto.

NEXT TOPIC

I don't know anything about toto so I'll refrain from commeting there.

Please tell me a way to read assemble as scum in any scumgame he's been in.
Or read assemble as town in any town game he's been in.

I've linked all the scumgames I could find in my iso.

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1) I only talk about Meta because it's my most reliable tool.

2) I'm happy CMM got lynched and would lynch there again 100% of the time. Probably would knowing the flip.

3) You're not good enough to judge whether what I'm doing is going to lead me anywhere.

4) If you don't think talking to nonscum reads to see where they reached certain conclusions has the potential to be healthy you're really bad at this.

5) I'm sufficiently triggered by all of you that I'm not doing this game until later.

PEDIT 6) That's a toxic playstyle and should be policy lynched.

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1. Understandable, but you shouldn't rely on it so much. Everyone tries to put their best "town" foot/game forward and people get caught up in the "TOWN META POSTING!" movement it blinds them.
2.) Why are you happy about the CMM lynch?
3-5.) I won't comment on because I see it's coming from a place of frustration
6.) Not exactly a PL'able offense nor is it toxic imo. We get to that "low hanging fruit" argument. Mods, if they know a certain player is going to play a certain way, should have final say on whether or not they want a player in their game they know their play style.

1) I'm the best meta user that's active on site.
2) I have a fetish for lurker policy lynches and would do them as many times as possible.
3-5) I actually think LUV would agree with me on them so.
6) We obviously disagree.

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K

VOTE: b

Think we already hammered C, and actually checkers is right that going B now is a bad tactical play.

....

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yeah no creature where the hell are you getting the active as scum part

If you link to the real post there's context prior.

Creature plz respond to this ty.

Nom Assemblerotws for "Lurking as town"

This isn't a random nom. it actully is very significant. Assemble is known for lurking more as town than he does as scum. It is part of his game play. It makes it harder for people to predict his alignment, and makes him more unique than other players. Lurking is his downfall a lot of times, but when the player list has played with him, they tend to know this is normal. He actually is a really good scum. He makes good posts (sometimes) when he does make posts. I think that if there was a title for him based off his game style, this would be it!

taking uc's word on meta without verifying it independently is probably not the smartest thing to do in the world

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like wtf

creature says assemble is active as scum

I try to check and find no posts from assemble in all the scum games I can find.

I ask creature where the hell he's getting his assemble is active as scum for

Also [url=viewtopic.php?f=51&t=72817]here[/ur] where he had a bit more of activity.

11 posts in his first (and only) game day.

Final 10 of them were in the same irl day,.

First was at 8:22 pm when there were 0 votes on him.
Other 9 were between 9:42 to 11:14 where the wagon on him started at 9:39 and ended with a lynch the next morning at 7:59 am. He was at L-2 at the time of his last post. He was presumably not awake or given up after making his final post the night previous.

so yeah

this doesn't tell you anything about how to townread the guy

this tells you that assemble might try to fight back a little against a wagon on him as scum.

and I'll also have to compare how he fights against town wagons too etc.etc.

and usually I wouldn't even do this publically since I don't like making players aware of their own unconcious habits but I'm doing it here this once to make a point.

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VOTE: Group a

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So Eli is pretty scummy to be honest. Look at all the effort she just put to tell us how much effort she is putting

LOL

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chessy

actually though

level of confidence on vflare?

if you can move that slot from null for me I'd be able to do C

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Bulba our group sould already be at like 2/3 for you ya?

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actually how do you have any level of confidence there lmao.

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yo desp why is bulba the scummiest person in A

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Bulba I honestly feel slightly worried that I think we're on almost the entirely same page. -.-