Paint Mafia Mania! Game Over come look at the garbage fire

[Something_Smart]

It's probably just tinfoil tbh. Actually a town purple cop would make sense with 17:4:3 as an extra way to find the red scum.

I really don't think we should be red hunting right now though.

[Something_Smart]

By which I mean, I'll refuse to take part in red hunting.

[Something_Smart]

I need to hear more from:

beeboy
Smocaine
Something_Smart
Alchemist21
PeregrineV
schadd_
West9

what do you want to hear?

my lynchpool is {PV, schadd, jjh} in order of preference.

[Something_Smart]

does schadd like to lolbus?

[Something_Smart]

Maybe switch schadd and jjh after ISOing both.

[Something_Smart]

we know that he wasn't on the Davsto wagon...

[Something_Smart]

if random is yellow then there's probably only 2 yellow left.

[Something_Smart]

Tomorrow

[Something_Smart]

Y are we mass claiming tomorrow?

Depends on flips I guess. If red is dead then we definitely massclaim.

[Something_Smart]

So many of PV's posts look bad in retrospect.

are u calling me scum for this or what

no

Also crap... no colour flips?

So what does this mean?

also i legitimately never noticed i was doublevoter until now. good thing that is, considering im always right about everything

You never read your role PM?

When I confirmed, I had to confirm like my color, my role, my alignment, my mothers maiden name.

I guess maybe I was just special that way?

Vote: Sesq

OK nvm you're town sjapanesenamex2

I cannot be nked.

Why can you not be naked?

we are in a neighborhood with Davsto, Nosferatu, Satoko and Rika, and Sesq.

What are your feelings on the thought that the neighborhood is all town?

@Satoko

Cause right now I'm hearing you think its Dav and/or Nos. Taking just your 4 hood-buddies into consideration, do you still think that?

@Keychain: I picked you because, on D1, you weren't getting a lot of focus and I figured the only way I'd have a wagon there later is if you were guilty. When I got an inno, I pocketed it and was planning on claiming if you ever hit L-1.
I chose Porkens because I was getting frustrated with the slot's activity and thought he was scum.

My result for today is that PeregrineV does not have access to a factional Kill

And we did have a town painter, guys. UC/Carcalilly's role painted people yellow.

Yeah, I don't have a factional kill or access to one, although I guess I would say that even if I did.

@west

If Varsoon is scum do you think his partner is bussing the shit out of him?

Single partner, huh? not partners.

So each scum team is 3 players.

Good to know.

Here is the thing...
Varsoon isn't recolored either
So Bins recolored some magical 4th scum player which kinda sucks that a magical 4th scum player is a thing.

I don't know why you're calling it magical. The ratio for multiball I've always thought was the rule of thumb was 1/3 of the starting players are scum, equally divided into 2 teams. For 24 players, that's 8 scum in teams of 4.

Although I did ask Cheet a while back if it would be announced if a scumteam is completely eliminated and he said it wouldn't be. So maybe it's a flawed assumption on my part.

This is too highly scumsided unless town has powerhouse PR roles, which we do not.

However, the double kill means red is still alive.

Asymmetrical scum teams is also a possibility, but they usually have to be balanced in power. Meaning red would have to have another goon and yellow two more PRs, or something equivalent.

[Something_Smart]

Honestly I think PoE makes it difficult not to hit scum in {jjh, PV, schadd, beeboy}. I still prefer PV and I don't understand why others don't but schadd wagon isn't bad and this game is stalling hard.

[Something_Smart]

roleblocks 4 people in one night, once during the game.

[Something_Smart]

Probably should have checked on that given that I thought beeboy was red

not sure if I do any more. Maybe it's schadd.

[Something_Smart]

you think schadd's is bad?

read Peregrine's.

[Something_Smart]

If Creature blocks Varsoon then they can have Bins claim blocked if she wanted. (Or beeboy )

Of course if he could target fewer than 4 than the same principle applies with just not using all 4 blocks.

[Something_Smart]

Hey s_s give me a more detailed version of the "PV is the scummiest scum and needs to burn asap"

I don't really have one

like idk because my reads are in general crap and have been overall meh this game, but I think the quotes speak for themselves.

Both PV and schadd have inadequate content, but PV has all those nasty lines plus he wasn't on the Davsto wagon. That tips it in favor of him for me.

[Something_Smart]

I know who's responsible for the images.

I also think this is the right play today

VOTE: Alchemist

[Something_Smart]

Pretty sure schadd's role wouldn't exist in the game if his results were infallible. I believe yellow scum have a way to not only change their color but to change it further than orange/green.

Also omg it's my scumday

I seriously doubt that Cheetory includes a red yellow cop and a yellow purple cop. That'd be so weird.

[Something_Smart]

I think today is the day for a massclaim.

I want Alchemist to claim, at least.

[Something_Smart]

Can we... not popcorn

Popcorn is stupid

[Something_Smart]

Alchemist definitely claims before anyone else though.

[Something_Smart]

West there is absolutely no way your role exists if only one scum role out of eight has the capacity to change people's colors.

In other words scum could easily have messed with your result.

[Something_Smart]

I seriously doubt that Cheetory includes a red yellow cop and a yellow purple cop. That'd be so weird.

Why? Also I'm assuming the "contains yellow" in schadd's role PM includes green and orange, and a yellow redcop equivalent would have a similar "contains red" statement that includes orange and purple

Because lol asymmetry? Doesn't make sense for red to target orange-yellow-green but yellow to target only purple.
The yellow redcop you described is not the role Vax softed.

Random flipping purple is hella concerning not gonna lie there

Agree

So red had a color cop, does yellow?

Doubtful since they had neighborhood presence.

[Something_Smart]

Alchemist definitely claims before anyone else though.

Alchemist definitely claims before anyone else though.

Alchemist definitely claims before anyone else though.

[Something_Smart]

They're not flavor.

Also damn. I really thought Alchemist was gonna claim cop and we could just lynch him.

I mean he's proooooobably yellow anyway but ugh.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: no lynch
we can force maf to kill alchemist if he's town by leashing him and PV to the same target.

[Something_Smart]

If PV's scum I'm blaming Cheetory btw.

[Something_Smart]

I feel worse about Vax now tbh.

I mean, he's town.

[Something_Smart]

LOL no

elaborate?

[Something_Smart]

Deny. I don't agree with the assumption that yellow scum don't have a color-changing role.

[Something_Smart]

So? Red had investigative power too.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think it's the SAME role.

I don't see how it could be otherwise unless Varsoon and schadd collaborated to throw the game to yellow scum.

West is confirm town by schadd. I'm confirmed town by West. That leaves only Alchemist and beeboy.

[Something_Smart]

my readlist is:

clear: Vaxkiller, West9, Something_Smart, Raskolnikov, Keychain

super good claim: PeregrineV

not totally clear: jjh927, Smocaine

not at all clear and therefore probably scum: beeboy, Alchemist21

[Something_Smart]

pagetop!
ay-
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

its your fault for running a 16:4:4 game

[Something_Smart]

pagetop!
ay-
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

it's your fault for running a 16:4:4 game

I have failed myself as a grammar pedant. time to commit sudoku

[Something_Smart]

I don't think it's the SAME role.

I don't see how it could be otherwise unless Varsoon and schadd collaborated to throw the game to yellow scum.

West is confirm town by schadd. I'm confirmed town by West. That leaves only Alchemist and beeboy.

One of those confirms is wrong then.

which one...?

[Something_Smart]

Wait I just realized something even simpler.

Why would schadd have the role he did if yellow scum didn't have any way to mess up his results?

I mean given all the claims thus far there's nothing that could remove the yellow component from a player's role so schadd would just be a cop. In that case I seriously doubt Cheetory would add the "anti-town win condition".

So yellow scum almost certainly have a way to remove the yellow from themselves.

[Something_Smart]

SS if your town reply to alch

To what? About West's power? He can check two people each night and see if they are the same color.

If you meant reply to 3258, Raskol was flipped blue early on, and PV was checked by schadd and has a claim that really should be town.

Come to think of it, does anyone have any other reason for the no-kill?

[Something_Smart]

Vax is confirmed town by virtue of being a vig, and PV claimed the Vax color change.

[Something_Smart]

Good point. This makes you 100% clear then.

if this is true

then where the hell did the kill go?

[Something_Smart]

Smocaine first

[Something_Smart]

I am unsure as to what you did to get to claim last

I'm confirmed by West who's confirmed by schadd

[Something_Smart]

Doesn't this just make Alchemist Jjh's scumbuddy?

probably, yes

claim pls

[Something_Smart]

are you from epicmafia?

[Something_Smart]

ok

I'm VT

[Something_Smart]

West confirmed that I was the same color as Keychain.

I've said that like 5 times.

[Something_Smart]

I know who's responsible for the images.

I also think this is the right play today

VOTE: Alchemist

ok

I'm VT

i could just be dumb but this confuses me

it means I'm smart and figured out that the person who appeared in the image was the same person that Keychain appeared below in the playerlist, and was gonna maybe cause some confusion for scum if we weren't massclaiming.

Based on this, and the claims so far, I'm also OK with lynching something_smart. They are claimed VT, and their flip will confirm Keychain one way or another.

Keychain is maybe the most confirmed person in the game so this is silly

How?

Because she was flipped blue and she has a confirmable PR that makes no sense as a scum role?

[Something_Smart]

jjh had longer to change his color than Smocaine did, to be fair.

[Something_Smart]

My statement was true independent of what his color would have changed to.

That said, clearly if it's the case both that schadd was telling the truth and that jjh or Smocaine is scum, then they must have removed the yellow from their role in some way. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have a way to subtract the yellow from themselves, leaving them white. (Other than the flavor reason that you can't do that to paint.)

Though I do believe that if Alchemist is town, then so is jjh. I don't particularly think Alchemist is town though.

[Something_Smart]

cmon guys smocaine's been obvtown since Day 1, wtf yall doin

Do you know who his main is?

[Something_Smart]

Slight problem with that Vax.

N4: beeboy

I'm paint varnish, whatever colour my target is at the end of the night can't be modified.

[Something_Smart]

And PV, just give the role name then I'll tell you because I think once again I'm catching some setup that other people are missing

OK, let's see what you come up with.

blue town redblocker

[Something_Smart]

Why would we ever lynch jjh before Alchemist?

[Something_Smart]

jjh is Alchemist's inno. If we lynch Alchemist and he flips town jjh is cleared.

[Something_Smart]

THe only issue I have with alch being scum is balance. You have 1 VERY WELL INFORMED scum team.

The game was probably balanced on the assumption that the neighborhood's results would become public pretty quickly.

[Something_Smart]

New mnemonic: DLAIBAH.

don't
lynch
alchemist's
inno
before
alchemist
himself

[Something_Smart]

S_S, you appear to be voting no lynch. I recommend voting Alchemist instead.

Why? If Alchemist is town we can pretty much force scum to kill him by leashing him and PV to the same target.

[Something_Smart]

S_S, you appear to be voting no lynch. I recommend voting Alchemist instead.

Why? If Alchemist is town we can pretty much force scum to kill him by leashing him and PV to the same target.

Because I find the idea of Alchemist being town to be unlikely, first off.

But if he is town, why would scum be forced to kill him? We're pretty restricted on potential targets, because we can't pick anyone I've previously targeted.

I can't see us being in a much better situation tomorrow with a no lynch. At least lynching Alchemist gives us a pretty good chance of hitting scum, and doesn't leave us too badly off on the chance that he's actually town.

Eh the target restriction is annoying to be sure. He and PV can still both target me at least, and we're on evens so I don't see how a NL hurts when there's nobody for Vax to kill (and scum could likely mess up his kill anyway).

[Something_Smart]

New mnemonic: DLAIBAH.

don't
lynch
alchemist's
inno
before
alchemist
himself

[Something_Smart]

S_S I don't think no lynch + leash is happening fam

I'm sorry, I have this irrational belief that if I keep telling people not to be dumb they'll eventually listen to me.

[Something_Smart]

I should keep a tally of how many times I have to remind people I'm clear.

[Something_Smart]

Speaking of lolbalance, this is a game where we could lynch scum every day except one and still lose.

[Something_Smart]

Bins' role was very clever in that it allowed the red scum to significantly affect color flips while making it impossible to turn a scum blue. If we go by the assumption that the yellow painting role has the same restriction, then the scumteam is 2 or 3 of <beeboy, Smocaine, jjh>.

[Something_Smart]

Lol?

[Something_Smart]

Because yellow team being able to turn their members blue, while also having a say in who gets colorflipped, is extremely powerful (and swingy) given that the red team had neither.

[Something_Smart]

If Vax were scum, even on a 3-man team, then it would be possible for town to lose while lynching scum every day.

[Something_Smart]

Also if S_S is town that means Bins wagon had 0 yellow scum on it.

Davsto was on it.

If Vax were scum, even on a 3-man team, then it would be possible for town to lose while lynching scum every day.

That's already possible?

Not quite iirc, we'd need to mislynch once. (It is possible if Vax were to kill multiple townies, but I'd call that a mislynch.)

[Something_Smart]

Also if S_S is town that means Bins wagon had 0 yellow scum on it.

Davsto was on it.

If Vax were scum, even on a 3-man team, then it would be possible for town to lose while lynching scum every day.

That's already possible?

Not quite iirc, we'd need to mislynch once. (It is possible if Vax were to kill multiple townies, but I'd call that a mislynch.)

Why would that be a mislynch? You know Vax is town or something?

My original statement considered the hypothetical scenario where Vax was scum on a 3-man team. Beeboy's "already" I took to mean not considering that scenario, i.e. instead considering the scenario where Vax is town. Thus my response was considering the assumption that Vax was town and both teams had 4 members, as we had assumed before.

Though by my logic in the post quoted, I can indeed conclude Vax is town.

We have a hider that adds yellow
A role blocker that adds red

what about a role that adds blue
:think:

Bins' role could do that. It's not unlikely that yellow have a role capable of doing something like that as well. But a role that changes someone's color to blue is WAY different.

[Something_Smart]

S_S why are you assuming if Vax is scum his role is exactly what he says it is and has 0 other restrictions?

Because it can't really be much weaker than what he said given that he's killed two townies, and a stronger role would be even more broken than the role he claimed would already be.

S_S I don't think associatives or d1 really support your scumteam restricted pool though

tbh not a fan of using these kind of assumptions to justify limiting the lynchpool here either

what associatives?

[Something_Smart]

like pretty sure I remember e.g. mixed mafia/werewolf games with a strong mafia team and pretty weak wolf squad in comparison, afaik multiball doesn't have to be balanced vs each other only basically just for town winrate

the red scum were already strong though. for my PoE to be wrong, the yellow scum would have to be EVEN STRONGER.

[Something_Smart]

much weaker.

[Something_Smart]

wait wtf vax you ate our confirmed town cop?

[Something_Smart]

how was he confimerd?

by schadd saying he was mixed with west and then flipping purple

[Something_Smart]

BTW I have knowledge that there are 3rd party's in the game

remind me to say something later on the subject of this.

what ever happened to this btw?

oh yeah. i thought Creature was crumbing third party by making several party references early game.

[Something_Smart]

Apparently it's possible to strongarm a lynch while not being on the wagon.

[Something_Smart]

Like does someone want to talk to me on how yellow can recolor while being able to target the hood result as long as Davsto is alive?

Shit that's a really good point.

It could still be the case that they have a role that can recolor CERTAIN players, i.e. themself, because otherwise it's impossible for schadd to get a wrong result and the mechanics of his role make little sense then.

I don't see how a redirector explains anything though. I mean they couldn't have redirected PV to himself.

[Something_Smart]

S_S what are your reads here if you subtracted most of the setup spec?

Pretty much nil; I haven't formed or acted on any reads since schadd died. Although before then I had a townread on Smocaine and a scumread on beeboy.

Knowing myself I have a way better chance of solving the game via setup spec than via reads.

[Something_Smart]

I meant a role that either could only self-target or had only one shot. Which would make ONE of them a godfather. But not all.

In the first Paint large game, the scum had one shot of blue paint.

[Something_Smart]

You know S_S doing everything in his power to not step on your toes is a lot more alignment indicative then me not giving a shit?

If Vax is scum then this isn't a mafia game, it's an elaborate torture mechanism.

He's a vig.

Scum vigs belong in games with like 15%, 20% scum.

This game has 29%, at least. And it's multiball.

My attitude toward Vax is not alignment indicative. It's common sense.

[Something_Smart]

I know they are. But the three games I can recall having seen with them had faction ratios of 11:2, 14:3, and 11:2. The scum ratio here is way too high.

[Something_Smart]

S-S name your 3 scum picks.

beeboy
jjh
Smocaine

[Something_Smart]

See Rask your problem is that you're not assuming that Davsto was bussed and going from there.
Scum lynch D1 + no other members of that team being lynched for a while = bussing.

[Something_Smart]

And the quickhammer begins.

Got to wrap up stuff for the game I was modding that just ended and then I'll get to this. Slept until 2 pm today after staying up way too late and was helping my friend move the rest of the day so I apologise for my lack of activity.

[Something_Smart]

It's pretty funny that you're saying that when Davsto's most important interaction regarding me was to drill Alchemist on why Smocaine's vote on me looked like a scum attack.

He was defending Smocaine's push on me and you're saying it looks bad for ME.

Lol.

[Something_Smart]

He did that in order to push Alch?
He wasn't pushing you at all ._.

He wasn't pushing me, no. But he was implicitly defending Smocaine and implicitly suggesting that he was ok with Smocaine's vote.

I'm back
VOTE: Bins lynching Davsto is dumb

You guys realize that scum are probably gonna bust their asses to kill the neighborhood as fast as they can, right? The whole point of colorflipping is that it does a lot more early game, so we hold off on lynching neighbors until later.

This Davsto defense is a top kek
coming from someone who spent all of the last day going

"Don't lynch jjh lynch alch first"

I don't see what you're implying here. I defended every neighborhood member even when I scumread more than half of them. And my logic that it was better to keep the neighborhood alive as long as possible was completely valid.

And why do you keep implying that I was in favor of an Alchemist lynch?

[Something_Smart]

S_S why you defending yourself from beeboy after saying he has to be scum in your pov

I don't think I ever said it in this thread, but I always believe in talking to people as though they are town. That prevents dickishness and pointless arguments and allows us to have a reasonable discussion just in case we ARE both town. (Because nothing can be trusted completely in this godforsaken game.)

[Something_Smart]

S_S even today I feel like you're kind of calling people scum without calling them out if that makes any sense

Like town says I think X Y Z is probably scum and this is why but I get from you like "well these various things point to these people" but I don't feel like you really believe your own thoughts like e.g. beeboy is scum (like when arguing vax town logic to him).

this is completely true. I am playing very unlike how I usually do as town. This is because I am not enjoying this game. After the Boon game that just finished I'm sick of multiball where the scum factions refuse to crosskill, and I'm disappointed in whatever mechanic caused scum to be falsely cleared.

As I mentioned earlier, I have given up on forming reads. I'm better at using logic and evidence to support conclusions anyway, and this is a setup that I expected, coming into yesterday, to be breakable. Then when I did come up with a strategy that would have probably gotten us a guilty, everyone ignored me and then Vax shot our only useful role, whom I assumed for sure would be the scum kill.

So I'm pissed at the way the game has gone and sick of multiball (especially since associatives from D1 in a large game are shit and multiball makes it almost impossible to detect scum scumhunting vs town scumhunting).

I really don't think it's likely that Vax is scum, to the point that even if he is I'd rather go for his teammate first because I don't think lynching Vax is a sure enough bet right now.

See Rask your problem is that you're not assuming that Davsto was bussed and going from there.
Scum lynch D1 + no other members of that team being lynched for a while = bussing.

I don't think I really accept your premise - you'd have to explain that one a bit further for me. To some extent it seems like you're reverse engineering reasons for the only players who can really be scum from your perspective to be scum.

It's not a foregone conclusion, to be sure. But I think you can at least accept these premises: (1) people like to bus, probably more than they should. and (2) the conditions that I described (scum lynch day 1 followed by no partners being lynched for a while) are conditions that result from bussing more often than not.

If vax is town I think there's no scumteam without S_S on it.
MAYBE if it's 2p left instead of 3 I could see it but in that case game wouldn't end even if wrong thankfully
A beeboy+smo team would implies super bussing d1 in a multiball and on the guy in the hood too which just doesn't make sense

A lot of things are the case that don't make sense. People bus even when it's not mechanically optimal.
Exhibit A (Judge Joseph Dredd + Aristophanes) Exhibit B (Kaede Akamatsu + Assemblerotws) Exhibit C (NoticeMeSenpai/mastina + gerryoat)

S_S how does yellow not turn color completely but somehow removes the yellow from themselves for checks
That sounds like a thing just to make exclusively the schadd and alch checks worse and leave west's on you

I mean, West's check on me is the only check that straight up confirmed me as blue. In fact it doesn't leave West's check on me as infallible since I do think scum may be able to turn one of their members blue.

But making schadd's and Alchemist's checks worse is kind of the point. Roles have already flipped that messed up West. But as of now, schadd was just a cop. So if he were actually incapable of getting an incorrect result, then I don't see why the mod wouldn't have just made him a cop instead of the role he had. In my opinion, all of the checks HAVE to be weakened in some way, or else there's no point to a color-based investigative role at all.

[Something_Smart]

Oh, hey, I just thought of something that could help.

I had half a syllogism in my head but it was worthless. But I just thought of the other half and I don't know why it didn't occur to me until now.

First of all, I caught on to Alchemist's crumbs, the day he investigated me:

I want to believe Varsoon but he has to go on policy. How many more "1 more days" are people willing to give him?

This is the last one, I just said that...

Although I do trust you Alchemist. I don't want the lynchpool to contain Alchemist, West, Smocaine, or me (obviously).

So my original argument was that if I were scum, I would have killed Alchemist earlier because I knew he was softing cop. But that doesn't quite work because he softed an inno on me so I'd know he wasn't probably much of a threat to my faction.

But here's the other part of the syllogism.

If I'm scum, I was almost certainly repainted to be blue.

In THAT case, I would assume that his inno on me was for that reason, and not because he couldn't actually catch my team, and I'd still kill him before he caught any of my partners.

Now obviously, there are still a few more holes in this argument, like that I wasn't confirmed blue until N4, and it could be that I'm partnered with Smocaine which would still tip me off that Alchemist wasn't a full cop. But at this point I think it has enough merit to be shared, at least.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, probably, but everything nonmechanical IMO points to S_S

Like what, and don't say "Davsto interactions" or I'll smack you.

[Something_Smart]

@Rask:

There actually might be a point there though.
Assuming scum have a PR to mess up paint would it ever be able to self target?

If not then that itself would logically have to stay yellow (or like a yellow mixture) to the end.

I think it may be able to self target. I think that scum can do this to exactly one player so either it's one-shot or it can ONLY self target.

Any mixing of paint they would stay yellow. THey would have to completely repaint themselves to not be yellow, and that would be like a godfather role. So they could only have 1 of those if they have any. I'm not discounting your S_S read, its just not where I want to lynch today. Also I think the yellow scum team will be bussing hard for cred or just going along with whatever confirmed townie want to do. (looks at smocain)

I think this post is by and large correct. I wouldn't call hard bussing a foregone conclusion but it is extremely likely.

[Something_Smart]

S_S can you give me like %s. I know what you said about your style etc but I still want something more specific than what you have.

Vax 0%
Key 2%
Rask 5%
Smocaine 80%
jjh 83%
beeboy 90%

[Something_Smart]

Red scum did not have enough power to warrant a yellow busdriver. Even with only three of them.

[Something_Smart]

The roleblocker is all right, the mixer is pretty good for giving investigatives confusing (but not outright misleading) results, and the cop is to facilitate crosskilling.

Busdriver is so much stronger than any of those.

[Something_Smart]

No hammer fwiw

[Something_Smart]

No, I just meant I'm not quickhammering.

[Something_Smart]

S_S pushing for alch before jjh as apparently town too

I'm sorry I expected the setup to make sense. Don't know what came over me.

[Something_Smart]

I'm glad this is over.

A LYLO with four conftowns, three of which are scum, is pretty thankless.

[Something_Smart]

Keychain can you please c/p or explain your team's roles?

[Something_Smart]

yellowscum was able to telegraph who town was going to target every single night that town targeted them.

No they couldn't, their neighbor died D1.

[Something_Smart]

See, here's the thing.

In the previous Paint game I played in, blue flips were equivalent to conftowns. We didn't know that and assumed otherwise, and should have lost because of it.

In this game, all the red scum roles had flipped without anything that would make a blue flip conftown. Bins' role was hands down the cleverest in the setup, and I assumed that the yellow team would have roles similar in what they could accomplish. i.e. roles that could create some confusion without straight up eliminating someone's base color, since that seemed to be what Bins' role was designed to do.

But no they had a godfather and a lawyer. Not to mention that Rask's role would be even more broken if Davsto hadn't been lynched D1.

[Something_Smart]

I mean if I host anything again it'll be a micro.
Or a blitz normal.
Or a marathon.
Or maybe never anything ever again :')

What you should do is make a game something inspired by what Carca originally thought the setup was:

Public color flips, where the scum are red, VT's are blue, and town PR's are yellow.

That way you can mess around with the mixing color things like you had here (paint mixer, yellow belly, and redblocker were all awesome roles) but not have to do multiball. And you can make the color flips a double-edged sword as it provides info to scum as well.

[Something_Smart]

Cheetory I really appreciate the effort you put into this game. The idea was very inspired, and I thought that parts of it were really cool (all of the color-mixing roles, the parity cop, the neighbor doublevoter, the purple people eater, Bob Ross). Clearly the setup had some significant swing, inherent in multiball and in the fact that one scumteam both tanked and refused to crosskill, and that made it not really a fair fight in any regard. But I think it could very well have turned out an excellent game, especially if Key or Rask had been crosskilled at some point, as that would have led us to rightly doubt the color flips. (As I said before, given the inability of the red scum to turn themselves blue, I wouldn't have assumed that the yellow scum would have been able to do so.)

Anyway, my point is: thanks for modding. It was a terrible game, but I don't think that most of it was a failing on your part.

[Something_Smart]

I mostly just don't really want to do paint as a mechanic anymore.
Every time the setup has just gone in a direction I completely didn't expect it to in a way that made it unfun for at least one of the factions involved.

Like, during balancing, one of the reviewers told me I should be careful about putting Creature's role in because it could be too powerful.
When it was probably one of the best things that happened for town in the earlygame as it stopped scum from changing the colour on the colourflip N1.
I just think it's too hard to gauge whether things are properly balanced out unless it's a straight up playthrough of aspects of the setup that I already understand and I just don't really find the idea of that interesting.

I understand that. I have a few ideas that I think would be interesting, and I might apply myself into trying to develop it into a setup. If I did, could I get the Cheetory Seal of Approval™ to run Paint Mafia V? (And would you want me to do that if I were willing?)

[Something_Smart]

I honestly thought there'd be more people complaining about how I literally got guiltied and survived to endgame but I guess it was just Smocaine, and he did that in the main thread

I mean, you got soft guiltied and hard inno'd at the same time. It was difficult to imagine how you could have red mixed into your role and not have red.in your role.