Anything uPick? (Endgame)
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Hi there!
I'm gonna start by saying Firebringer will have even more reason than normal to want to policy-lynch me and this time it won't be unjustifiably so: I have a posting restriction this game.-
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What is that posting restriction, you might ask? Well to be honest, it's one that you might not even notice is a posting restriction!-
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However, I assure you, it is quite real. My fucking GOD I wouldn't fake this kind of bullshit, I'll do lots of anti-town shit but nothing of THIS nature.-
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Basically, my posting restriction?
...I have to post as much as Alisae would in a day.-
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(Which today and tomorrow will REALLY suck, given that I'm V/LA, so.)-
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...For that matter, this will suck the entire game because MY GOD this is not a restriction I want to be bound by, since it requires me to be ridiculously spammy. (Which is why I said you may not even notice a difference, but I assure you, the level of spam I am required to make this game IS in fact higher than the level of spam even someone like me would normally produce.)In post 11, mastina wrote:(Which today and tomorrow will REALLY suck, given that I'm V/LA, so.)-
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And yes. I could have said all of this in one post except LOL POST RESTRICTED so I need to meet my quota SOMEHOW and the only way I can think of to meet it is to spread it out over multiple posts, so I do apologize in advance.
I'm not a role a vig can shoot (well, they CAN, it'd just be tremendously stupid of them to do so), in spite of the urge to policy lynch this kind of shit for the same reason I can't be vigged I cannot be lynched, so the only way you won't have to put up with this shit the whole game is if either there's a role which can remove the restriction, or if the mafia have mercy and nightkill me.-
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(I mean, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, there is a third option. The violation for not upholding the restriction is me losing my vote--my PM says "two days", but doesn't specify if that's gamedays or 48 hours. The risk of the former is why I don't want to intentionally let myself violate the restriction. There's also the fact that I'm afraid that if I deliberately put absolutely zero effort into so much as trying, that if I am deliberately and consistently breaking my restriction, that being voteless is not enough of a deterrent, that RadiantCowbells will take more executive action, be it force-replace or modkill, so. I don't want to test my luck, as it were. Even though doing so would make the game ten times more bearable and sane for everyone involved, especially myself.)-
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Oh and to prove I HAVE a vote which can be forfeited:
VOTE: Firebringer.
So that when he inevitably votes me, he can claim it's OMGUS rather than a policy-lynch.-
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Ahahahahaha I get it.In post 16, Chickadee wrote:Hmmm, I'm thinking there will be a lot of post recreations this game. Should make things interesting eh? Well, I'm off for a while. I need to eat some breakfast (pancakes and maple syrup) and then I have a day of board games planned.
At least yours is endearing rather than annoying.-
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MOST LIKELY, everyone who has posted so far is town, in that Chickadee/you/Gamma/Creature/Firebringer/WhemePlay are all more likely to be town than not, but my confidence level isn't remarkably high on most of these from the first page alone. I typically prefer to make my readslist when we have at least three pages in a Large Theme...and if you exclude my spammy content, we're at a mere fraction of that.In post 20, Yume wrote:So, chief, who is scum and who is town?
Hopefully, after I shower and take my nap, if there's time before my staff meeting (and if not then by after it I'd be concerned if this hadn't happened since that's over 12 hours from now), I'll be able to give you better reads, from so-town-they're-my-masonbuddy to scum.-
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The specifics of my restriction are such that I'm not afraid of Alisae posting a lot. I'm not going to give the details though, just know that I have to say a shitload per 24 hours, far more than I'd prefer even being the verbose player I am.In post 30, WhemePlay wrote:Why even announce it right now if you are vla. You are giving them the chance to f-you.
I can be lynched! It'd just be TREMENDOUSLY stupid for you to actually do so! Because in spite of the damn annoying post restriction further compacting the natural irate nature of my posting, my role is one which you should never ever want to lynch or even push to claim.In post 33, Chickadee wrote:Sorry, are you saying we should test out the 'cannot be lynched' thing?
Let's just say that scum have a natural incentive to nightkill me beyond just shutting me up out of annoyance.-
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(To be honest tho. It could be much, much worse. I could be forced to speak in spoilered rainbowtext. Not giving me THAT was mercy. )-
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Do so and you'll be scumclaiming because fuck subtlety, I am hardclaiming mason.In post 37, Firebringer wrote:I am a vigilante and if we don’t lynch mastina today, I am shooting her.
Yes really.
You're not the only one with RNG gods to thank.
I am dead serious here.
I am a mason. I would prefer not to out my partner but they would vouch for me if I did.
I am not just a mason, either. I am a modified rolecop, and the modification is such that I loverize people I target with my rolecop that meet a specific condition.-
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(If you're curious? I'm Alisae as if that wasn't obvious enough. My mason PT is a Marriage to Raybells.)-
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I misspoke. I didn't mean loverize. I meant loved.
As in, takes one extra vote to lynch.-
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So yes.
My full role is a posting-restricted-mason-modified-rolecop-conditional-loved-maker. (The wording is lovederizer, which is why I misspoke and said loverizer even though lovederizer and loverizer are two entirely different roles. But the role is very clear in specifying it's loved-maker, in that I make it take one extra vote to lynch if specific conditions are make and it does not function in lylo.)
With almost that exact name, too, because RC was making a bit of a comment on Alisae's formatting.-
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Oh there's one more part of my role I forgot to mention.In post 45, mastina wrote:(If you're curious? I'm Alisae as if that wasn't obvious enough. My mason PT is a Marriage to Raybells.)
Alisae, the PLAYER that is, can to some extent vouch to my flavor. E cannot FULLY vouch for me, but e can at leastpartiallyvouch for me; this was explicitly mentioned in my role PM.-
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Btw since I've hardclaimed mason, what this means is that when I make a readslist, it will have the caveat that my readslist may or may not deliberately be hiding the position of my masonbuddy--I will try my best to, off of their in-thread posting, judge them where they would be without the explicit knowledge they are town, and place them as close to being there as I can. Probably won't work because I am about as subtle as a brick to the face, but I'll at least TRY.-
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(My masonbuddy will be able to confirm their identity without my help, by the way, by simple virtue of paraphrasing the contents of our PT--in particular, there was one thing which happened last night that ONLY my masonbuddy would be able to know about, relating to something I did last night that is not public knowledge but can be confirmed to have happened publicly. In short, they can tell you something I did which is undeniable that I did, but which only they would be able to tell I did because only they would know the nature of what I am talking about.)-
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Well since I have fullclaimed mason I might as well share this. I've met my quota for the day and strictly speaking don't need to post right now, so I'll probably shut up. But basically, I am forced to use the Juvenile Players Ruleset (AKA Hyperactive Posters but I like my name better): a minimum of ten posts a day.In post 69, Nosferatu wrote:@mastina: exactly how much would alisae post in one day? Like is it a judgement call or what?
HOWEVER, posts in my mason PT count towards the ten. I didn't want to hardclaim that the limit was ten in-thread in case I had a day where I split it something like 7-3 and people wondered why I didn't violate the restriction, but since I've claimed mason, there's no reason to hide this anymore, so.
Ten posts per day minimum. Posts in the mason PT count towards that, so I can get away with feasibly as low as one post in this thread, so long as I have the required nine in the masonry.-
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If I hadn't claimed?In post 80, Nosferatu wrote:so was the post spam in the beginning necessary lol?
Yes, it was.
Since I did?
No, the spam was rendered unnecessary by having claimed, but only by virtue of having claimed. Since I wasn't exactly intent on claiming, you could thus say it was necessary at the TIME, but is no longer necessary.
to your ?. That's really self-explanatory? Ten posts a day is a lot for me. Apply it over two weeks and you've got a MINIMUM (rather than maximum) of 140 posts, probably much more, per day. If I live past N1, that's multiplied by D2. And so on and so forth. You also have to keep in mind that 36 was made before I had claimed the masonry. At the time I was under no intention to claim the number of posts, to give me leeway. And were I to have claimed the number without revealing the existence of the masonry PT, then I'd either still have to make the ten posts in here minimum, or risk exposing said masonry.In post 88, northsidegal wrote:?
Soyeah. It was both to cover the masonry's existence, and even without that, is a true statement regardless. (Plus, it's hard to spam in a masonry anyway, so. Most of my posts will be in-thread even with my ability to split, because I simply find it easier to post in-thread rather than in the masonry most of the time.)-
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That was honestly the towniest post in the game so this is a bad vote.In post 116, Firebringer wrote:
VOTE: HinduragiIn post 114, Hinduragi wrote:Mastina is town. Chickadee is town. I like nsg so far.
Vote: Whemeplay
I'm probably not going to be able to keep up with this game as much as the rest of you if it's like this but I'm going to do my best.-
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It'd make me feel better if you verified how you were given this information. Because I know it was given in a certain way and was mentioned in a specific way; you stating what that way is would help me a lot.In post 188, ObsessedFanGrill wrote:
No um, I can vouch for you.In post 55, mastina wrote:
Oh there's one more part of my role I forgot to mention.In post 45, mastina wrote:(If you're curious? I'm Alisae as if that wasn't obvious enough. My mason PT is a Marriage to Raybells.)
Alisae, the PLAYER that is, can to some extent vouch to my flavor. E cannot FULLY vouch for me, but e can at leastpartiallyvouch for me; this was explicitly mentioned in my role PM.
ur C O N F T O W N
If by that, you mean most of the active players are town and inactive ones, scum? Then yes. Most likely.In post 193, Creature wrote:Maybe we can Civilization this.
VOTE: Ginngie.
I am having trouble getting reads, admittedly. (Most people look town, not very many look like possible scum.)
But.
I know she was around earlier yet she didn't post here, so.-
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First point, phoneposting at work, so more to come.-
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Second point, Ginngie is town, so.
UNVOTE: Ginngie.-
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Third point, fuck reading all this shit now, I'll do it later.-
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Fourth point, I'm considering deliberately being off of every lynch (preferably vanity voting), and then lying after the lynch; if a mislynch, claiming "I told you so!"; if a scum lynch, that I was GONNA vote there, but they were hammered before I could.
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Fourth point, more seriously (Fifth point): I still am having trouble with reads.
This game is the inverse of xyzzy's game, wherein I am town reading everyone.
…Which, mind you, is equally as useless as scumreading everyone.
So I need some time to figure out how to NOT be worthless.-
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Sixth point, this having been said, not all townreads are created equal. I'll let you know the hierarchy via a readslist when I am able to.-
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Seventh point, when all else fails, realistically speaking, I'm probably sheeping Ginngie. She is town, so I trust her to scumhunt competently.
Ideally. We'd hash things out together, but failing that, I'll just trust her.-
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Eighth point, I need to check my mason PT, since it's hard to do on my phone right now. Hopefully my final two posts can be in there, since I plan to not post more in here today.-
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Okay.
Someone tell me I'm not crazy.
That Apathetic Cynic Boy, the person I targeted.
Was in fact a player in this game.
That they were a hydra of Ellibereth and someone else, faking being Alisae and Claire, but later the facade was dropped.
And that Ellibereth even hydra-slipped at one point which was then quoted.
Because the mod is telling me they never existed in his game and there's no iso evidence of them, but I swear to god.
...Also. Hinduragi had fullclaimed in the neighborhood, believe it or not, because he was under the impression he was a 3p. (He thought that if he lynched all the scum, he could win with the town.) He did not know who the scum were, and RadiantCowbells refused to tell him if the scum knew who he was or if not knew at least that they had a traitor. So no. That is NOT a scumflip. He was not in the scum PT, he did not know who the scum were, and they may not of known who he was. And I knew all of this from the get-go.-
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(Creature was a scumflip tho. I'd say good job, but he's not hard to catch as scum and given the chance to actually fucking read the game, I'd likely have joined the wagon there especially given Ginngie was on there and I said push come to shove I'd sheep her. But since you guys fucking quicklynched, I'll just sit silently in the hasn't-lynched-scum club. )-
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Shit I just remembered that I actually have a posting restriction I need to uphold.-
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I was PLANNING not to post until I had more time. Not tomorrow, maybe Friday or if not then Saturday.-
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I am just so behind and out of touch with the game that I haven't wanted to keep posting, since my posting would explicitly be me saying nothing but fluff content because I'm not caught up.-
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Do you know what page I'm on?
...Neither do I! I was planning to actually start over from page one prior to the quicklynch yesterday.
Some things don't change (Ginngie was town, my neighbor was not groupscum).
But I just got mostly nothing otherwise and need to have the time to actually put time into this game.-
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...Which, mind you...I don't have right now. I don't have the time to put into this game today.
I don't have the time to put into this game tomorrow (which means you're in for a bunch of spam tomorrow, too).
Even Friday's pushing it in terms of me having the time to give something.
And then there's the fact that you fucks keep on posting.
The more you add, the more I'll have to read. I was behind. I know Hinduragi was behind as well and hadn't read most of the thread last night and he was feeling pretty lost because he was just so behind and was attempting to catch up during the night, but doing so poorly.
That looks like it's continuing today.-
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Basically if you want me to get content to you sooner, slow the fuck down.
If you're content just waiting for me, though, feel free to keep spamming and make my life all the more harder.
You apparently won't wait for me to find a lynch!-
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Oh! That being said tho.
VOTE: Torn Up.
Might as well place a vote.
Could maybe also vote Alisae-hydra but would not want to do so without clearing it with the players I respect, e.g. Ginngie.-
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(Still kinda ticked Firebringer did in fact kill Hinduragi tho. He wasn't scum. He LOOKED like scum, but he wasn't. At least he didn't think so. The way he went about with the neighborhood, I know for an absolute fact he wasn't faking. Maybe he was from a moderator standpoint scum-aligned--but he genuinely thought he was a 3p who could win with the town, and he CERTAINLY didn't know who the scum were, with them likely not knowing him but maybe having some awareness of his existence. I was trying to bait scum by having him traitor-signal, but he never got the chance because YOU LYNCHED BEFORE HE COULD POST and HE GOT LOLBOMBED exactly as we were afraid of.)-
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Btw I decided I might as well do this tonight. (I could technically do it tomorrow and spread it out such that it's my content posts, but I'm a bit worried that I'll forget if I don't do it now.)
Basic paraphrase of the Neighborhood PT (all timestamps are rounded btw):
At approximately 10:50 pm, RC created the topic.
At approximately 11:20 pm, I said "Oh hi there".
I made another post, but RadiantCowbells deleted it because I was posting in there before getting my role PM. (The deleted post more or less said, "I don't know if this is a mafia topic, a mason topic, or a lover topic; it kinda sounds like it's not a mafia topic but I guess we'll have to see!", essentially.)
RadiantCowbells then began having a sitechat conversation with me telling me to not post in there yet, but I'll paraphrase that when I paraphrase the post where I paraphrased it.
At approximately 11:50 pm, I made a new second post, now featuring my role PM: a series of posts where I said,
"I hope my restriction doesn't apply in here, but if so...
...FUCK.
But ANYWAY. To let you know.
I have a posting restriction--post ten times a day, or lose my vote.
Oh and my PM mentioned a PT with Raybells--given that's a nickname for RadiantCowbells, I'd like confirmation of your identity and for that matter to know who you are." (The opening post did not mention who was in there and our PMs did not specify a playername.)
"Also, Alisae the player has partial information of my role, knowing I'm familiar but not the details. (Would be hilarious if you're Alisae and legit would laugh out loud if so.)
ANYWAY. I'm treating this PT as a masonry. I don't even know who you are yet, tough luck. I am trusting you.
Given this, I'm going to claim--I'm a conditional loverizer who is also a modified rolecop. *description of the modification/role which I intend to not make public at this time*" (Yes, I typoed my role even in there. I meant lovederizer, but I said loverizer.)
This takes us to approximately midnight, at which time you get me paraphrasing the events which have transpired:
"I came to mafiascum for the theme park, saw RC made a new post, it was him announcing role PMs going out, I noticed I lacked a new PM in my inbox, went to check my PTs to see if I could beat the mod to knowing my role (scum, a scum PT; mason, a mason PT, etc.), did so successfully, was told by RC, "Hey. Don't do that", I point out he left the topic open, he sheepishly admits he thought everyone was asleep, I said it was 11:30 and hashtagged #WestCoastScumBag, then RC tells me to stop being so impatient and wait for a moment". (There's more to this, but I explain it below.)
"Also, it's nice to have an active mod. Got an answer, when I lovederize someone, it only lasts for the day following my investigation." (As in, N1-->D2.)
"Still need to know whether this PT has activity requirements and/or counts towards my limit tho."
"Oh and in case the restriction DOES apply--I've fulfilled it, but I just wanted to say my picks were out of laziness: RC, JaeReed, Alisae, and Ginngie. The latter two for being friends who were /inned for this game."
As we approach 12:10 am, "Got my answer. Posts in here count towards my limit, but I only need to make ten total, so it could be 5-5, 7-3, or vice-versa. So it's possible I'll be more bearable in the main thread, but if so I'll be insufferable in here."
I then listed the playerlist (AND HEY WOULDN'T YA KNOW THERE ARE NINETEEN NOT EIGHTEEN PLAYERS LISTED THERE, INCLUDING A CERTAIN APATHETIC CYNIC BOY), and said "Honestly, looking at this list, I don't know who you are yet but I could work well with just about anyone on this playerlist. Of course, some are more awesomer than others, butstill. Let me know who you are so I know how much fun this will be."
At 12:30, "I am becoming Alisae just by HAVING the role. I'm refreshing every 1-5 minutes, expecting a difference even though I know there won't be one".
At 8:30 am on Saturday January 13th, I noted: "Nobody's posted yet. ;_;"
Immediately following it, at the 18-post mark and near 8:45 am, you get Hinduragi's entrance into the PT.
"Apologies. I'm here. Love your spamposting. On my phone. Love the PT, I just have trouble with my phone. Will contribute when I can, give me a bit to get to a PC."
My reaction?
"SWEET!" This, at about 9 am.
My post 20 is me quoting my 46, wherein I noted, "I misspoke in here as well. You should be able to tell from context though that I did mean lovederizer."
At 9:40, I quoted my post 68, and said that the thing I was talking about was the events I mentioned above--the post I made at about midnight, wherein I was paraphrasing the conversation. I told him that was my confirmation. Moments later, at 10 am, I made a further post clarifying, and to fully explain the events which transpired:
On Friday night, I logged into post in Deathworlders, specifically to cast my Ellibereth vote.This is the public action I was talking about being easily confirmed as happening publicly. What's NOT public is what transpired AFTER I made that post, because I happened to catch the note about role PMs having been sent while noticing I distinctly lacked one, so I checked my PTs. I posted, RC told me not to post, we talked a bit about it, including RC going, "You're town by the way" before I got my role PM, and me responding, "That much I got already ".
Of course, I noted that this was mostly unnecessary, because I was writing this out in case someone counterclaimed being my masonbuddy after my demise, and yet that was both an unlikely scenario to ever happen and also even were they to, it's impossible to fake being mastina so Hinduragi could just paraphrase things in his own way and people would be able to tell that was me.
Then, immediately following that, still at 10:00 am, Hinduragi posted something which was REALLY important, the first initial thing he claimed to me. (He later changed his claim.)
"Hey, I think you're awesome, but I need you to trust me. What alignment are you? Town? Scum? 3p? I can win with ANY of them, but I want to win withyou, so I need you to be forward with your alignment in order to do so. I'd advise against claiming me as your neighbor, since others may know who I am and I don't want them to kill me."
He also confirmed that he was in fact RadiantCowbells.
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The second page basically starts out with me quoting Hinduragi's 114 (AKA his only public post) and to him saying he was having issues catching up, commenting that he's geriatric and apologizing for any spam as a result, more or less. In that same post, this being at 10:45 am, I promised him I am town.
At 10:50, I said more or less a longwinded, "I believe you, I trust you, I'll work with you and try to have you win with me. I know you want to win with the town, so I want you to live, for the town to trust you, and comparatively, I am expendable. I'm thinking my main utility here will not be in my role, but in my 'masonry' to you--which I am treating as exactly that because as far as I'm concerned third parties are town--in that if memory serves me, you're pretty competent at scumhunting which means I trust you more than I trust myself, especially for the players I lake a solid base on."
And then, at 11:00 am, Hinduragi did something else unusual. After I had just gone about stating that I held FULL trust in him as he had claimed himself to be, he went and did something which would be incredibly risky--he changed his claim again. Specifically,
"Alright, I'm choosing to fully trust you. FULLY trust you. If you break my heart, I'll be forever sad.
I'm a traitor. I'm riddled with the flu, and I get extra for my visits by lynching my scumbuddies as an incentive. I don't know what my visits do. I think the mafia have a lot of power to balance out my role and all the others claimed so far. I win when town wins or nothing can prevent it. I don't know who the mafia are; I know we are married; I know I have a delayed roleblock (N1->blocked N2), and I want to fully use this PT and we can discuss what to do with my role if/when I get abilities."
At 9:45 PM, I summarized:
"So...basically...you're a mafia traitor except aligned with the town instead of the mafia? Kinda-sorta a traitor-usurper, except for the whole scumteam instead of just a godfather? How much have you asked about mechanically? You don't know them, but do they know you? Or, instead, do they know you exist but not who you are?"
At 10:20, he responded: "As I understand it, yes. It doesn't specify exactly so I'll need to ask; that's why I didn't want to be outed in case they knew my flavor name. And god, 18 extra pages..."
At 10:40, I did some rambling, but the important part is, I suggested traitor-signaling.
At 10:45, Hinduragi responded with amusement (since I had said in the PT, "try 'I do not know who the scum are' or something to that effect, which...I ended up saying publicly out here by complete accident, hilariously enough), and said that he got an answer from RC: his power was a motivate. He also specified that RC could not answer whether they knew him or not.
There were some continued indicators of him struggling to read the game, culminating at 10:50 pm, where he asked,
"Can you summarize the game? Doesn't have to be long, just whatever you can do. It's 2 am and I wake up early tomorrow so I need sleep and thus can't catch up. I AM reading right now, but I'm skimming and am afraid I'll miss something important. Hopefully, tomorrow won't bring 20 new pages. MLK day is a godsend for me."
That's the last pertinent information from the day phase. Come night?
Monday, January 15th, circa 6:20 pm, he said this: "That lynch was indeed not ideal--the speed was just anti-town. Of course, out-of-game, I'm kinda glad it means I won't need to read anything. I think I'm set to be shot. I mean, Fire might be fakeclaiming since his claim feels far less sincere than Yume's. What do you think of WhemePlay's guilty? Why isn't he pushing it harder? If you claim a guilty, I'd expect you to be hard-tunneling the guilty result. But I also feel like the game has been derailed with all the spam and that we can't even sort through the bs. I can honestly see them as being scumbuddies but that doesn't explain why Creature would be bussed into death that fast unless they knew he was crashing and burning.
Any ideas on who to target with the flu?"
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I don't really have the words except to say "I was wrong".
RC just sent me a message saying that, more or less, "Off of the flip as given, Hinduragi had access to the scum PT".
I don't want to be here anymore.-
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Btw song is a pretty apt description in many ways albeit some less and some more. Disassociating hard, no control, not wanting to be here today but needing to thanks to the damned restriction, the main way I could have contributed to the game was taken out (more on that in a post I'll be making below), I've no will to fight at the moment (it'll come later I'm sure I just don't have it RIGHT NOW), I have one foot in the door rather than one foot out in that I'm more out than in (also, I'm not listening because listening = reading and rather explicitly I've read nothing since the earliest stages of the game, I will but not until Friday at earliest), a little bit broken already and easily more so, not sure where to go atm but right now still don't want it to be here.
I'll get better, later. Just not today, as in, this Thursday. (I'm sure that I'll get better this day PHASE, assuming we actually have a proper fucking day phase.)-
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I still don't understand why Hinduragi did what he did and I don't think I can. It just makes no sense to me on any level. PRIOR TO HIM HAVING EVEN POSTED, I said that I had full trust in him. (More on that in a post below.) He could have just claimed delayed roleblocker, who upon the lynch of a scum player would become motivated, and just lied and omitted the parts about him being scum. That is actually a really fucking awesome role and a ridiculously plausible claim! A role rewarding competent townplay, in that by lynching scum you can get an upgrade to your role. I'd have bought that instantly.
Instead, he decided to claim 3p to me, and asked about my alignment which I don't understand. If he knew who the scumteam was, why would he have asked that in that way with him going to claim 3p? It just makes no sense for him to have done at all.
...Even IF you can explain that (I can't in spite of knowing that's apparently exactly what happened)...then there's still no explanation for what followed. After his initial claim, I said I fully trusted him and wanted him to win. He could have committed to that claim as it was. He could have stuck to his initial 3p claim, and not changed it at all, because I said I trusted him and would go so far as protecting him, so there was zero need to change it and doing so would in fact risk me changing my stance.
...Yet he did so ANYWAY. He changed his claim to something arguably even less believable. I'd have bought his role as town. Him being 3p as claimed was believable enough albeit not as believable as him as town. But then he claimed something even more elaborate. He claimed something ridiculously complex. He didn't so much "change the details" as much as "completely reclaim with a different role altogether". I still don't have an explanation for that, and I just don't understand why he'd go with that route when it's ridiculously complicated compared to just a simpler, "I'm town" he could have done. He didn't need to do more.
But all the same, he did do the more, while apparently knowing who the scum were. His actions make sense to me if he didn't know the scum. Claiming what he did to test if I were scum and then claiming the role he did when he thought I wasn't scum made sense if he had no clue who they were, but apparently he did. And I just don't understand it, given that.
That being said, I will be able to move on. It's a mystery we'll have to wait until postgame to see, though I'll see it much sooner I suppose once I die. (More on that in a post below.)-
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But ANYWAY. It should be pretty damn apparent I'm town--useless town, yes. Deadweight town, sure. Given this fucking posting restriction and me being behind on the game so me not being able to even give game-relevant content/spam at the moment ridiculously anti-town town, undoubtedly, yeah.
But still undeniably town.
Which means scum can't afford to let me live forever. Not when they're two scum down. How many scum could a 19-player game, realistically speaking, have? Six would be a shitload. Even five is pushing it (albeit plausible given semi-traitor who was apparently scum proper).
And they're down TWO of those starting scum.
So mathematically speaking, they cannot afford to keep me alive. Even anti-town conftown can't be kept around until lylo, especially if they lose another member or two along the way. (Also I get stronger when I've got more information on hand to analyze and am more "grounded" in the game, as it were, so it'd only be a matter of time--get enough spamposters to die off, and the pace of the game will slow to a reasonable enough level wherein I am capable of keeping up and contributing.)
7p lylo with a conftown is dangerous to them. Not INHERENTLY necessarily disastrous if they count on town voting town, but still a big risk.
5p lylo with a conftown, doubly so.
Heaven forbid 3p lylo with a conftown.
What I'm saying is, they have to kill me at some point.
It won't be immediately. GOD no. They've got bigger fish to fry, far larger threats than what I am. They'll want to avoid it for as long as humanly possible, because an anti-town player alive is better than an anti-town player dead to them.
However, at some point, they will do so, because EVENTUALLY, there is a tipping point in the scale where antitown conftown alive < no conftown alive.
...Still, though. I can maybe encourage it to happen a bit sooner than it would be otherwise with this:
Protective roles and any Watcher we may have: Absolutely do not target me.(I mean. As if they would anyway. But I'm telling them not to.)
I'll leave myself wide open for scum to kill should they choose to. No need to waste a strongman or a ninja, even. My role has no kill immunity (I've already claimed all there is to my role more or less, except the modification of the rolecop and the condition for lovederizing someone), so this is no trap I'm laying. I do love me some plans, but I have none at the moment, not really, which is why I'm giving the invitation. My plan died with Hinduragi (more on that below in a future post).-
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To explain what I mean about my main way of contributing no longer being around, it's simple.
Even with Hinduragi as scum who knew his scumbuddies, him being dead when he was dead was him being dead too soon especially given the rapid nature of the D1 Creature lynch.
Yeah, dead scum is better than no dead scum.
But what I'm saying more or less is that he was dead scumtoo soon.
He made one fucking post in-thread.
One.
Just the one public post.
He didn't give anything reads-wise in the PT, not really, because he hadn't read the game. (I see no reason to doubt that as having been the case, because there's no incentive to lie about it as scum. If you haven't read the game, it will be really fucking obvious you haven't read the game; if you HAVE read the game, then it's much harder to fake having not done so and it gives you little in terms of gain. But even were you scumbag enough to doubt his claim, it's irrelevant to the point because even if he lied and HAD read the game, he CLAIMED he hadn't, he was ON RECORD as having not done so, and thus his posts were under the visage of having not done so if nothing else--meaning, for all intents and purposes, he hadn't read the game even if he had, because what matters is his stated stance. He would not be able to get away forever with the stance of "I haven't read the game", and that's what I'm getting at.)
What I'm saying here is that he should have been given the opportunity to feed us more information. We had, what? Less than 24 hours of game content? Certainly less than 48 hours. We didn't need to draw things out until deadline, sure, but we should have spent at least one fucking week on D1. This would have meant that Hinduragi would have posted vital content in the game thread, rather than one fucking post, allowing us to have more information with his flip.
FURTHERMORE, this would add weight to the neighborhood PT interactions. Hinduragi gave me nothing, but with one week's time worth of content, he'd have had no choice BUT to give me things. If he believed he had me thoroughly pocketed--and given my posts in relationship to him plus my reputation (although, there's a caveat to that which I'll talk about in a future post), he had no reason to think I wasn't--then he could attempt to manipulate my stances and guide me. But he had no chance to do so, none whatsoever, because the day ended and he was set to die that night. (And he knew it was distinctly possible, too. Knowing you are likely to die gives you good reason to not interact freely with someone not aligned with you, for fear of your death revealing info.)
We needed more time. With that time, the neighborhood would have meant something, because Hinduragi's posts in there could be used to help me maybe discern the alignments of other individuals off of his stated positions. He would have said positions, too, given one week. But given 24-48 hours, he didn't have those positions. Thus, any information I COULD have gained from having a neighborhood with scum was wasted.-
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Btw, it's at this point I should go into detail about my philosophy on the mason claim. Contrary to popular belief, my stance is not, "Oh, neighborhood? I'll call it a masonry". I do however let people think so, because that is convenient for me both as a scumhunter and in the case where I legitimately draw mason (which I do surprisingly often) and people roll their eyes and think I'm doing my normal gambit (except...LOL MASTINA WAS ACTUALLY A MASON).
I start off by stating I will treat the neighborhood as if it were a masonry. This is true enough, but most people think the mason gambit ends right there--it doesn't. There are many reasons why I take the belief I do about treating neighborhoods as if they are masonries, and it has to do with my rich history with the role and how I react. For a start, to understand this, you have to know that I've been the role disproportionately often. I've played by now 300 full, proper games on mafiascum. (I lost track of the exact number long ago.) I don't mean including-Marathons. I don't mean "total games even off of mafiascum". I don't even count the blitz games on the fallout shelter.
I mean, 300 full-length, weeks-long day phases, well and true, proper games, here on this site, mafiascum.net.
...Of those? In the upwards of 40 or 50 games, I've been either a mason or a neighbor or an -izer of those roles. (It's still impossible to get an exact count, but I can get a more precise estimate in a bit, after I've done my spiel, because I still have a post quota to make and getting the exact numbers will be helpful for you to understand what I'm getting at here.)
The VAST majority of the time, this has worked out.
In all of those games. INCLUDING THIS GAME. There has been a grand total of three times where said "masonry" contained scum...and two of them wereall-neighborhood games. (As in, EVERY player was in a neighborhood, with there being at least four distinct neighborhoods.)
I exclude from this Green Day UPick, wherein my hydra was a scum reflexive-loverizer and a neighborizer targeted us N1, because both of us had claimed our respective roles D1 and thus we were publicly known to be not-masons from the get-go.
Even those games where the said masonry had scum featured extenuating circumstances.
In SMITE Mafia, Drixx's slot had claimed 3p. The 3p wincon claimed was something which, with how the game was turning out and our particular roles, was reasonably easy to coordinate circumstances by which we could trigger that wincon--had Drixx been given the opportunity to use his claimed role yet didn't, I was all too happy to lynch him as a scumfuck. So the whole time, the idea was that we would orchestrate a scenario where he had no choice but to prove his 3pness, and if he didn't, I'd readily lynch him. But since his claim WAS something that should have theoretically been easy enough to have tested, I did in fact trust him to be essentially-town. (I am the poster child for trusting third party because I fucking HATE with a passion the ideology of "claimed 3p dies". Like, I refuse to lynch serial killers if they allow themselves to be leashed, trust in 3p claims.)
In Biochemistry, I was a replacement and the idea of a masonry was already impossible from the get-go. I did suggest treating each other as town for one day phase, even entrusting Ginngie with my invention in spite of my read on her tanking, but this was both laughed at, AND was for the strategic reasons I'll mention below. As far as Spiffeh, the second scum goes, there were circumstances surrounding the N2 night actions which gave huge credence to the idea he'd be town, AND he claimed tracker-inventor when there were only two scum left alive...AKA, "lynch one more scum, and tracker becomes cop". Which made him be someone I needed to exploit their role out of, since we could clear town players by coordinating jailkeep + invent tracks and so on and so forth and if scum no-killed, great for us, free lynch. So I had role-related reasons OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD to protect him, even though I didn'ttrusthim per se.
In both situations, it was known we were not masons, and it was known that everyone had a neighborhood and the situations surrounding the claims were such that I was giving people TIMED passes. Not indefinite ones. My belief is that role != alignment. Play > role. HOWEVER.When you can afford to, you still utilize claimed roles even if the person claiming the role could be scum. And in both situations, at the time I died in those games, we could AFFORD to utilize the claimed roles, and my play protecting the scum was me protecting the roles because we could use those roles and were in situations where it was ideal to do so.
...So of all of my games wherein I have done the mason approach. Only the smallest fraction have had it backfire on me. We're talking, less than 10%. And that 10% being questionable given the specifics therein. So it is an approach which, by and large, statistically speaking, has worked out well for me. Trusting my neighborhood to be town is something which has disproportionately been a good decision of mine in that it was a correct read to have done so in almost every situation.
Statistically speaking, neighbors are more likely to be town than scum, so it makes sense to treat them as town.
This is compounded by a taboo around scum neighbors--they are weighed as a strong PR for scumteams as far as the NRG is concerned (by the way, RadiantCowbells is a member of said NRG), and yet town neighbors are considered net-neutral for balance, contributing nothing, neither strengthening nor weakening the town. So a scum neighbor is +EV for the scumteam; an all-town neighborhood is net-neutral. As a result, moderators tip the scale even further towards neighborhoods being primarily town, and this is a self-feeding loop of sorts--the more neighborhoods are all-town, the more powerful a scum neighbor is; the more powerful a scum neighbor is, the more taboo it is for a scum neighbor to exist; the more taboo it is for a scum neighbor to exist, the more neighborhoods are all town.
There's more behind my actions than the numbers, though.
My belief has always been that in a neighborhood, it is RIDICULOUSLY easy to get the read of your neighborhood mates wrong. It is simpler to read them as being town and bank on the probability of numbers to be right, because this way, you don't get to deal with the paranoia of whether the person in the 'hood is manipulating you.
That having been said.
And this is the heart of the matter, and what I was getting at before.
Just because I expect to get the read wrong does not mean I don't try altogether. In fact, I exploit it. I tell a lie of sorts, in that I say I will treat them as town...but in actuality, I evaluate them just as any player, no different than any other, just with the extra information the neighborhood provides. The hope being that with me having stated to them that I am treating them as town, I can get a more genuine, absolute read on the slot which is accurate.
...And in the case wherein I do land with a scum neighbor. That when they flip as being such. I have the entire PT's worth of information to work off of, knowing they were trying to exploit my generosity. Knowing they were trying to manipulate me and them believing it would never backfire. Thinking they had me pocketed with impunity. Thinking that I was never going to call them scum, they would be free to share revealing reads, giving insight into their scumteam composition.
In other words...I tell a lie and say I'm treating them like town, in order to lure them into a false sense of security, and divulge information they would never otherwise have shared with me. (This is what I was attempting to do with Ginngie in Biochemistry, but the town fucking lynched her before I could and thus why I was so ticked off.)
But with how this game worked out, that wasn't fucking possible.
I do not blindly go in and say, "Oh neighborhood? Let's make it a masonry!"
There is extensive thought put in each and every time I make the gambit. It is meticulously planned out, such that I always try to leverage things to the advantage of the town. But I was unable to do that this game.-
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Bleh. I had more to say which I thought up in advance during work. I'm sure of it. Not MUCH more to say, one or two extra posts, but I can't remember what it was.
Including this one, I'm two post short of the limit. I wish I could remember what I had thought of to ramble about, but I can't.
Well actually, I say ramble but some of it might have been vaguely kinda sorta game content, albeit when I say "kinda sorta game content", I mean in the same way as telling protectives/watchers to be off of me, and explaining the mason gambit, way, in that it is technically maybe vaguely useful, but not really in that it doesn't have any pragmatic value even though it has a theoretical one.-
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(It might've had to do with Hinduragi? I feel like there was an additional point I'm not making but I was going to make about him. Something trivial and thus probably worthless but which I wanted to share just in case. Or it coulda been me further explaining the circumstances behind my life, like going into detail about how I read games in that I read content chronologically and when I say I haven't read the game IREALLYmean I haven't read the game. Or it could have been something completely different. I just don't know. )-
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(I guess my tenth post since I lack better ideas is just me publicly asking what I was going to privately ask, if:
...This applies such that I cannot say so much as a single word about this game to my girlfriend in spite of Jae quite obviously not being a player in it and them having hinted to me that they are in fact reading it.)Do not leak information about the game. If you're dead, you do not communicate with anyone about the game, including other dead people. Inform me of any breaches that happen. There will be no warnings if this rule is violated.-
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Alright, finally here. Catching up now. <3-
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Can confirm this is what my role PM specified. Including the "wait what".In post 234, ObsessedFanGrill wrote:
Subject: 16P Setup ThreadIn post 264, mastina wrote:It'd make me feel better if you verified how you were given this information. Because I know it was given in a certain way and was mentioned in a specific way; you stating what that way is would help me a lot.RadiantCowbells wrote:Wait what (Body Double): Alisae and any players that replace him will be informed that you are very, very familiar.
This is still true as I reach this point on my reread.In post 230, mastina wrote:I am having trouble getting reads, admittedly. (Most people look town, not very many look like possible scum.)
No, she isn't. Ginngie follows the mastina school of scumplay: the best lie is the truth. Were she scum, she was telling the truth.
Also first ten pages as they currently are, and this is the readslist of players having posted by that point.
Yume
WhemePlay
Chickadee
Gamma Emerald
northsidegal
Mathdino
Nosferatu
Smocaine
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Nope! Best lie's the truth. I don't fakeclaim shit as scum. The only time I tell a lie about my role is as town...and even then, I only tell lies with purpose, e.g. Bulletproof<->Macho switch, Neighbor(izer)-->Mason(izer). When I tell a lie, it is a lie which when the lie is revealed, the reasons behind telling the lie are self-evident.In post 259, Mathdino wrote:If she can't, mastina's definitely capable of making that up.
I already explained this btw but to reiterate: this is accurate, in that I SAY "Let's be masons forever"...but I do so AS A GAMBIT and am truthfully putting effort into reading them each and every time I draw the role.I read somewhere that every time mastina is in a neighbourhood with someone she goes and says "LET'S JUST ACT LIKE WE'RE MASONS FOREVER". I thus have no reason to at-first-glance trust mason claims from mastina ever tbh. That said, if one of the people in that hood is scum, I think they'll be able to work that out, especially if mastina is an investigative.
I just happened to have apparently horribly misjudged Hinduragi because I believed his claim which I still say makes no sense. (I still don't get why he, if he knew he was groupscum, just didn't claim he was town. No need for elaborate 3p bullshit, just play it straight.)
Because I wasn't intent on fucking claiming my 'masonry' D1. I never am, contrary to my reputation. The risk of Firebringer vigging me was real enough (in spite of me knowing he likes to fakeclaim, there was a legit risk he was real...which, sure enough...) that I thought it necessary, but the PLAN was for me to not out that I had a private PT and that posts within said private PT counted towards the limit--as a result, I was going to be forced to post potentially ten times a day. HOWEVER, I was also intent on not claiming the number of posts I needed to make.@mastina: Why spam the early game at all then? Funsies? Demonstration?
You keep on using modern information and ignoring the situation as it was at the time.
By the modern information what I did was unnecessary, yes. But by the situation as it was at the time, I didn't want to claim the number of posts, so I could get away with, say, a 7-3 split. If I was forced to claim the limit was 10, however, I still wanted to meet those activity requirements, meaning I needed at least ten posts to start with because I was under no intention to claim the limit but I thought that IF I did need to claim the limit I was under no intention to reveal the existence of the 'masonry' by virtue of having not done so on a day where it was split.
I'm really not sure how to explain that more clearly if you don't fucking get it. It's really fucking self-explanatory and I've said all of this shit already before.
Well because I am bluntly right to have done so. To whit?In post 261, northsidegal wrote:mastina, why are you townreading most of the active players?
Creature, D1 scum lynch, was a lurker compared to everyone else posting-wise.
Hinduragi, N1 suicide-vig, had a single game post. He wasn't "lurking", per se (lurking implies deliberate lack of activity), but it is a fact to say he was among the less active players.
This is information I have in hindsight, sure, yeah. This is information I did not possess at the time--however. This is what I SUSPECTED to be the case. Not specifically Creature or Hinduragi, mind you. However, the general idea there was that my thoughts were that most of the active players were town; most of the scum would be in the inactive players. I still feel this to be the case. It was true of Civilization Mafia, too, which had a comparable D1 posting rate to this game (the difference being they didn't lynch in less than 48 hours, but had we gotten a day phase as long as Civ's, we'd have had as many pages AS Civilization).
I believed most of the players posting to be town because I thought most of them were town with their posting.
I believed most of the scum were in the inactive players because I thought the inactive players would be where scum were.
I didn't have elaborate reasoning beyond that nor did I need it, since my sentiment I still hold to be true.