Marathon 7 (MM 1)

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

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[Vel-Rahn Koon]

M-M are we going to do FoS's like you did in your Kick-Off game? I think it would work out better.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Signups now closed, roles will be going out shortly.

Vel-Rahn: if you want to do FOS counts, sure.

Yes please, that way we don't mislynch because of simul-posts

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

FoS: Pooky

because teddy bears are cute. Perfect scum cover

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote: Occult

Me not like cults.

Guys, let's stick with FoS's for now. With only 45 minutes for a day cycle, it's possible to speed lynch someone because 3 ppl all vote for the same person in the same 1 minute time stamp.

5 minutes before deadline, we'll change FoS's to Votes. M-M is going to keep a FoS count instead of a Vote count for us (thanks M-M).

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

got a webcam koon?

ROFL!

Do I dare ask why you want to know?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I want to know if you can upload a video of you stating whether you're town or scum onto youtube.

I do have a webcam, but not at work. I like the way you presented this Pooky, very slick

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Raffles

scum

When did this turn into Mostly Mute Mafia!?!?!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

VRK = gg

what is GG? Sorry for my ignorance

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

thanks

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

VRK = GG gets us where?

good point

FOS: VRK

So first I'm Town, then you flop and FoS? Pookie has a great point, but why make the VRK=GG claim in the first place?

No FoS/Vote yet, but IGMEOY.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

God, Battle Mage. We would never be able to tell.

Ha!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

VRK = GG gets us where?

good point

FOS: VRK

So first I'm Town, then you flop and FoS? Pookie has a great point, but why make the VRK=GG claim in the first place?

No FoS/Vote yet, but IGMEOY.

see post 76

Thanks for clarification. Moving too fast! Must....slow...down!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

BTW, i'm an unnightkillable townie...

Why are we claiming on Day 1?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

but not knifeproof right LB?

Can you elaborate Pooky. It's early and I'm a noob

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Which roles are un-nightkillable? I thought this was gonna be a simple game setup, with not a lot of crazy roles.

FoS: LB

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Also all roles will be pretty basic so don't expect me to do setups similar to my DOOMsville games.

From M-Ms game Rules post, page 1, post 0

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

M-M:

FOS count:

1 – Pooky(VelRahn)

2 – LyingBrian(Raffles,

VelRahn

)
0 – Raffles()
1 – VelRahn(LyingBrian)

Not FOSing: Pooky[/quote]

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

"pretty basic"

noted...

Since I'm a noob, can someone give me an example please of a "pretty basic" un-nightkillable role? Time's too short to go to the Wiki and search

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Is there a problem with just stating your role?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

are you stating your role VRK?

I'm curious what all the back and forth is for, when this could have all been resolved 20 posts ago. I will claim if you want me to. Just seems strange that this could have been much simpler and not gotten so much suspicion pointed in LB's direction.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Is there a problem with just stating your role?

what do you mean?..

see post 129

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

happy with my vote.

I'm joining you Raffles. Too much drama for there to be nothing there.

And an OMGUS to boot.

Vote: LyingBrian

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Oh the confusion

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

BRB, Bio break and a smoke

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

whoops, did i say unnightkillable, i meant unlynchable...

Ha! Fantastic play LB

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

you haveno idea how ticked i am right now

Well, Pooky, you have to give him credit. No way anyone saw that coming

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

But his method, while certainly more aggravating, had the exact same effect, n'est pas?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

actually I would've nailed VRK as scum yesterday and we wouldn't have lynched you.

i believe a role claim is in order...

Fine by me. Townie.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

same applies to you VRK...

??

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I wanted to see if you had the same role pm as me , duh

yeah, i'm trying to make up my mind if that's really your role, or a really good setup... honestly your play this game reminds me of Eyewitness 1...

Don't see why it wouldn't be. Kinda makes sense to have one person not night-killable and another one not day-killable.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

look LB, ask yourself if Pookyscum would let someone who "escaped a lynch" to live to the last day.

Then look at whether you're alive. Sure you can cry WIFOM all you want, but 3 unconfirmed in an endgame is better than 2. Why the heck would I kill raffles?

like i said, an extremely well-mastered setup... why would ANYBODY let me live until Day 2... i was obviously lying...

But as convoluted as that whole mess was, who could tell

what

you were lying about?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Well guys, the only people we can vote for are either Pooky or Myself, unless we want another forced No-Lynch

I don't see the game going anywhere if that happens. The only way this can end is if we kill Pooky or myself today, since we can't kill LB.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I wanted to see if you had the same role pm as me , duh

yeah, i'm trying to make up my mind if that's really your role, or a really good setup... honestly your play this game reminds me of Eyewitness 1...

Don't see why it wouldn't be. Kinda makes sense to have one person not night-killable and another one not day-killable.

huh, this sounds like you're on PTMB's side?!?..

Just stating the obvious. LB, you had a really good play Day 1, but that same good play makes you hard to trust now, Pro-Town or not.

The only thing we know for sure is that you're not Lynchable. I don't have enough experience to know whether a role like that is permanent or 1-shot, so I'm at a loss, to be honest.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

@VRK

hypothetically speaking, if you were mafia, why would you not kill me Night 1?..

I lack experience.

I took all of what you were saying at face value, because I had never heard of a non night-killable role, and I didn't know what was going on. If I was the scum, why go after you if I don't understand what the deal is, and risk not getting a kill because you're actually telling the truth? Now that it's all played out, I see it. But at the time I was very confused by what was going on.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Just stating the obvious. LB, you had a really good play Day 1, but that same good play makes you hard to trust now, Pro-Town or not.

The only thing we know for sure is that you're not Lynchable. I don't have enough experience to know whether a role like that is permanent or 1-shot, so I'm at a loss, to be honest.

are you trying to say you think i'm mafia?..

Well, as you pointed out yourself, 6 players, 2 scum, one of them not night-killable is waaayyy unbalanced. So probably not, but after the revelation at the beginning of Day 2, I have no idea.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Just stating the obvious. LB, you had a really good play Day 1, but that same good play makes you hard to trust now, Pro-Town or not.

The only thing we know for sure is that you're not Lynchable. I don't have enough experience to know whether a role like that is permanent or 1-shot, so I'm at a loss, to be honest.

are you trying to say you think i'm mafia?..

Well, as you pointed out yourself, 6 players, 2 scum, one of them not night-killable is waaayyy unbalanced. So probably not, but after the revelation at the beginning of Day 2, I have no idea.

which revelation?..

The fact that you were actually night-killable, and not day-killable, and that you switched the two on Day 1. The whole Day 2 has thrown me for a huge loop I honestly don't know what to believe at this point.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

GG guys. Honestly, the whole situation Day 1 had me completely confused. I almost suicided the start of Day 2 because there was no way to win.

Nice Job LB

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

What was scummy about me on Day 1? This is my 2nd completed game ever, and my first Mafia role, so as much detail as you could provide would be helpful.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

VRK, you gave me WAY too many reasons why you could be mafia...

I'm assuming you're talking about Day 2. Well, there was nothing that I saw that I could do - when I saw your post that you were actually not lynchable, I knew right there that I had lost. Not sure how I could have played it any differently. My scumbuddy got Modkilled, and without understanding the non-nightkillable and non-daykillable roles, I was kinda up the creek.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

GG guys. Honestly, the whole situation Day 1 had me completely confused. I almost suicided the start of Day 2 because there was no way to win.

Nice Job LB

not true, you could've gotten me to lynch PTMB...

Hmmm......how would you go about that without seeming like you're pushing for someone else to do your dirty work? Believe me, I thought about it, because it was the only way, short of a No Lynch, that I could win, but I didn't see how it could be done with out setting off y'all's scumdar.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

VRK, you gave me WAY too many reasons why you could be mafia...

I'm assuming you're talking about Day 2. Well, there was nothing that I saw that I could do - when I saw your post that you were actually not lynchable, I knew right there that I had lost. Not sure how I could have played it any differently. My scumbuddy got Modkilled, and without understanding the non-nightkillable and non-daykillable roles, I was kinda up the creek.

it seemed like you were trying to cast suspicion onto me, a confirmed townie... the best move would've been to make as strong a case as possible against PTMB... experience definitely helped in this game, though...

Not trying to cast suspicion on purpose. You're right, experience would have helped here, but I did the best that I was able to do.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

GG guys. Honestly, the whole situation Day 1 had me completely confused. I almost suicided the start of Day 2 because there was no way to win.

Nice Job LB

not true, you could've gotten me to lynch PTMB...

Hmmm......how would you go about that without seeming like you're pushing for someone else to do your dirty work? Believe me, I thought about it, because it was the only way, short of a No Lynch, that I could win, but I didn't see how it could be done with out setting off y'all's scumdar.

PTMB already knew you were scum... you only had to convince me, also trying to kill me night 1 would not have been a bad idea...

Yeah but I didn't understand that you were lying about being un night-killable. So I immediately through you out as being a target, and went after the only person I could think of, which was Raffles because it was, to me, a strange night kill.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I reckon VRK might have had a chance if he claimed cop and given an guilty investigation on Pooky. That's my thoughts.

Huh, that's a ballsy move Interesting thought Raffles.

Thanks a lot guys, I really learned a lot from this one game.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

^

at worst you would've been 1:3 giving us 2 people besides you to mislynch FTW...

Ah I see, leave more people on the playing field to lessen my odds of getting caught.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

First I would like to thank everyone for participating in a great game.

One thing I noticed is that nobody advocated for a no lynch on day 1, which would have helped narrow it down to 3 instead 4 people deciding on the last scum. But in the end LyingBrian survived the Day 1 lynch, so it was basically the same thing as no lynch.

So what's the AC for this game? And are you going to use #days = 1, or use a fraction since the game lasted less than 1 day?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

also, killing PTMB instead of Raffles would've been a better move... killing off good players isn't against the rules, lol... it may have been a better strategy, although i don't want you to fall into the rut of only killing players b/c they're good, but in this instance, i would've kept alive the person i thought i had the best chance against...

Well with you and Pooky going at each other, I thought that

was

my best chance. Day 2 started and you said "Oops, did I say not night killable, I meant, not day killable", and I thought "Ah F#($". Like I said, I completely missed it, and didn't see it until it was too late. I agree that you would have been a better choice, maybe even a no-kill (if such a thing is allowed), but hindsight is 20/20.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

The Activity Constant for this exact moment is about 52, which is expected since this was a very fast-paced game.

what's Activity Constant, and what's it used for?..

See M-M's Hypothesis, in his sig.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

good point about LB vs. PTMB... just make sure you learn from this game, that's what is going to make you a good player...

Oh I will, believe me