Marathon 7 (MM 1)

[LyingBrian]

i'll be /in

[LyingBrian]

vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

[LyingBrian]

unvote, FOS: PTMB

[LyingBrian]

remind me which game that was...

[LyingBrian]

i was zombie, not scum...

double FOS: PTMB

[LyingBrian]

Raffles

scum

is there a post restriction i don't know about?..

[LyingBrian]

no webcam here...

[LyingBrian]

VRK = gg

[LyingBrian]

really, i couldn't find a wiki article saying so...

[LyingBrian]

LB= scum

this will get us nowhere...

[LyingBrian]

anti-town

=

scum

[LyingBrian]

ok, that didn't work out the way i wanted...

anti-town does not equal scum...

if you mean anti-town, say so...

[LyingBrian]

VRK = GG gets us where?

good point

FOS: VRK

[LyingBrian]

ok LB, let's say hypothetically that you are a GG, why then would you make the comment that VRK = GG?

it was a joke, he noticed the same thing i did... Raffles still using his post restricion...

[LyingBrian]

gg=good guy

[LyingBrian]

nice flip flop there scum mcscummerson

oh please, we're still in the early stages of D1...

[LyingBrian]

Raffles

scum

is there a post restriction i don't know about?..

Raffles

scum

When did this turn into Mostly Mute Mafia!?!?!

@PTMB

yes...

[LyingBrian]

@MM

how do i have 2 FOS?..

plus i switched to VRK

unFOS, FOS: VRK

[LyingBrian]

VRK = GG gets us where?

good point

FOS: VRK

So first I'm Town, then you flop and FoS? Pookie has a great point, but why make the VRK=GG claim in the first place?

No FoS/Vote yet, but IGMEOY.

see post 76

[LyingBrian]

BTW, i'm an unnightkillable townie...

[LyingBrian]

part of the fun is moving so fast... my adrenaline is PUMPING!!!

for PTMB's sake, the preceding was sarcasm...

[LyingBrian]

BTW, i'm an unnightkillable townie...

Why are we claiming on Day 1?

w/ 4 players, it seemed like the right move...

[LyingBrian]

but not knifeproof right LB?

knifeproof?..

[LyingBrian]

This is a speed game, need to move things along quickly.

speed it up then, who do you find suspicious?..

[LyingBrian]

are you knifeproof?

explain yourself...

[LyingBrian]

I asked you the question. are you knifeproof?

and i asked you to explain yourself... we could keep doing this if you want...

[LyingBrian]

Wasn't this only supposed to be just with basic roles?

unFoS, FoS:LB

where was this stated?..

[LyingBrian]

simple game setup does not equal with knifeproof...

[LyingBrian]

which part of the question do you have difficulty understanding?

which part of the statement do YOU have trouble understanding?..

[LyingBrian]

"pretty basic"

noted...

[LyingBrian]

i'm still convinced VRK is scum, not PTMB... nothing solid, just gut at this point...

[LyingBrian]

are you saying that your role is "bulletproof townie" ?

1. bulletproof is different than knifeproof
2. i'm pretty sure i said unnightkillable...

[LyingBrian]

@PTMB

don't waste a day-vig shot on me, if that's what you're thinking...

[LyingBrian]

I think it was more of an attempt at digging what our roles are.

what was... do you only refresh every 10 minutes?..

[LyingBrian]

so your role pm said unnightkillable townie? not bulletproof townie?

yes... do you want me to quote it for you?..

[LyingBrian]

i dunno, ask the mod... i would assume a mafia win...

[LyingBrian]

Is there a problem with just stating your role?

what do you mean?..

[LyingBrian]

so you're telling me you got your role and you didn't even bother to ask the mod what would happen in an endgame with you and the mafia only left?

i'm sorry that i didn't have enough time to think about all the ramificaions of my role, and to compose a multi-faceted PM asking about details... i got my role, came to the thread, and started posting...

[LyingBrian]

why don't you ask now?

don't see how it affects how we play today...

[LyingBrian]

<5 minutes until deadline...

[LyingBrian]

are you stating your role VRK?

I'm curious what all the back and forth is for, when this could have all been resolved 20 posts ago. I will claim if you want me to. Just seems strange that this could have been much simpler and not gotten so much suspicion pointed in LB's direction.

ask PTMB, not me...

[LyingBrian]

vote: Raffles

seems opportunistic to lynch me...

[LyingBrian]

if you draw in a 1-1 endgame with scum as opposed to lose, it means as long as you are alive we are guranteed at least a draw if there is only 1 scum alive. Since this is a 6 man with a dead scum already, I'm guessing there's only 1 more scum, cuz having 3 scum together in a 6 man is just kinda silly

so keep me alive, duh!!!

[LyingBrian]

Opportunistic? I gave a reason. Trying to dig our roles.

what do you mean, "dig our roles"... i don't understand the verbage...

[LyingBrian]

well considering u can't even answer my question about what happens in such an endgame, I'd think I'm going to kill you.

town loses, then...

[LyingBrian]

well considering u can't even answer my question about what happens in such an endgame, I'd think I'm going to kill you.

ASK THE MOD!!!!

[LyingBrian]

why don't you ask?

b/c i'm not concerned about it, YOU are...

[LyingBrian]

that's deadline...

[LyingBrian]

vote LB

that's the thing tho, if you actually are who you say you are, you should be concerned about it.

does this vote count, mod?..

[LyingBrian]

whoops, did i say unnightkillable, i meant unlynchable...

[LyingBrian]

so the game comes down to my vote...

[LyingBrian]

you haveno idea how ticked i am right now

why, b/c you're about to lose?..

[LyingBrian]

because we would've had this game in the bag if you had just claimed that and asked for a lynch to confirm innocence.

then i would be dead instead of Raffles, and we wouldn't have the discussion to base the next day's vote on... i'm liking PTMB FTW...

[LyingBrian]

But his method, while certainly more aggravating, had the exact same effect, n'est pas?

ditto post 169

[LyingBrian]

actually I would've nailed VRK as scum yesterday and we wouldn't have lynched you.

i believe a role claim is in order...

[LyingBrian]

same applies to you VRK...

[LyingBrian]

I'm the bulletproof townie.

that's why I asked you those questions.

why did you word it as "knifeproof"?..

[LyingBrian]

actually I would've nailed VRK as scum yesterday and we wouldn't have lynched you.

i believe a role claim is in order...

Fine by me. Townie.

surprise, surprise...

[LyingBrian]

same applies to you VRK...

??

roleclaim, but you already took care of that, thanks...

[LyingBrian]

goddamnit LB, if you are town you should bloody know I am town

how should i know?..

[LyingBrian]

I wanted to see if you had the same role pm as me , duh

yeah, i'm trying to make up my mind if that's really your role, or a really good setup... honestly your play this game reminds me of Eyewitness 1...

[LyingBrian]

look LB, ask yourself if Pookyscum would let someone who "escaped a lynch" to live to the last day.

Then look at whether you're alive. Sure you can cry WIFOM all you want, but 3 unconfirmed in an endgame is better than 2. Why the heck would I kill raffles?

like i said, an extremely well-mastered setup... why would ANYBODY let me live until Day 2... i was obviously lying...

[LyingBrian]

oh, VRK, where are you?.. we need you to lynch PTMB

[LyingBrian]

I wanted to see if you had the same role pm as me , duh

yeah, i'm trying to make up my mind if that's really your role, or a really good setup... honestly your play this game reminds me of Eyewitness 1...

Don't see why it wouldn't be. Kinda makes sense to have one person not night-killable and another one not day-killable.

huh, this sounds like you're on PTMB's side?!?..

[LyingBrian]

look LB, ask yourself if Pookyscum would let someone who "escaped a lynch" to live to the last day.

Then look at whether you're alive. Sure you can cry WIFOM all you want, but 3 unconfirmed in an endgame is better than 2. Why the heck would I kill raffles?

like i said, an extremely well-mastered setup... why would ANYBODY let me live until Day 2... i was obviously lying...

But as convoluted as that whole mess was, who could tell

what

you were lying about?

unlynchable mafia w/ 2 mafia in a 6 player game... sorry, don't think so...

[LyingBrian]

Well guys, the only people we can vote for are either Pooky or Myself, unless we want another forced No-Lynch

I don't see the game going anywhere if that happens. The only way this can end is if we kill Pooky or myself today, since we can't kill LB.

in order for the town to win, we must lynch Mafia today... a no lynch would give the mafia a kill, then day, draw, then night, another kill...

[LyingBrian]

Well guys, the only people we can vote for are either Pooky or Myself, unless we want another forced No-Lynch

I don't see the game going anywhere if that happens. The only way this can end is if we kill Pooky or myself today, since we can't kill LB.

waiting on a response to 189

[LyingBrian]

PTMB, where are you?..

[LyingBrian]

@VRK

hypothetically speaking, if you were mafia, why would you not kill me Night 1?..

[LyingBrian]

you said you were going to lynch me, i'm not going to waste more time trying to talk you out of your paranoid delusion that I'm scum.

you're not going to try to talk me into voting VRK?.. that doesn't sound scummy at all (sarcasm)

[LyingBrian]

i wish everyone was quicker...

[LyingBrian]

Just stating the obvious. LB, you had a really good play Day 1, but that same good play makes you hard to trust now, Pro-Town or not.

The only thing we know for sure is that you're not Lynchable. I don't have enough experience to know whether a role like that is permanent or 1-shot, so I'm at a loss, to be honest.

are you trying to say you think i'm mafia?..

[LyingBrian]

you think I did a set up where I knew you were lying about being unnightkillable, so I set myself up to look like a real bulletproof townie trying to needle you about the fine points of your role so that in the future I could convince you of my bulletproof ness after you survive the lynch that I put on you. Of course it also costs me the fact that I let you through alive to day 2.

So if you are so paranoid as to think that I am on that course of action, I honestly don't think I could talk your delusional self into thinking I'm innocent.

it almost worked in Eyewitness 1, why not now?..

[LyingBrian]

waiting on your response, VRK...

[LyingBrian]

EYEWITNESS IS AN OPEN GAME, THIS IS A CLOSED ONE. HOW THE HELL CAN I MAKE THE GUESS THAT YOU ARE A LYNCHIMMUNE RATHER THAN BULLETPROOF TOWNIE ON DAY ONE!?!?

closed means not known, right?.. i always get the 2 confused...

[LyingBrian]

@VRK

hypothetically speaking, if you were mafia, why would you not kill me Night 1?..

I lack experience.

I took all of what you were saying at face value, because I had never heard of a non night-killable role, and I didn't know what was going on. If I was the scum, why go after you if I don't understand what the deal is, and risk not getting a kill because you're actually telling the truth? Now that it's all played out, I see it. But at the time I was very confused by what was going on.

now for post 202...

[LyingBrian]

Just stating the obvious. LB, you had a really good play Day 1, but that same good play makes you hard to trust now, Pro-Town or not.

The only thing we know for sure is that you're not Lynchable. I don't have enough experience to know whether a role like that is permanent or 1-shot, so I'm at a loss, to be honest.

are you trying to say you think i'm mafia?..

Well, as you pointed out yourself, 6 players, 2 scum, one of them not night-killable is waaayyy unbalanced. So probably not, but after the revelation at the beginning of Day 2, I have no idea.

which revelation?..

[LyingBrian]

I'm still waiting on the answer to whether you expected me to somehow guess that you were lynch-immune rather than nightkill immune.

sorry, i thought that was hypothetical...

[LyingBrian]

well, one of you is playing really well... ugh, i hate endgames...

[LyingBrian]

you guys might as well vote each other to get that part over with...

[LyingBrian]

vote: Vel-Rahn Koon

[LyingBrian]

well?...

[LyingBrian]

nope, unlynchable townie...

[LyingBrian]

waiting on mod to call it...

[LyingBrian]

VRK, care to come clean, or does the mod have to call it?..

[LyingBrian]

sorry, PTMB, but most of my attacks on you Day 2 were my trying to draw VRK out...

[LyingBrian]

VRK, you gave me WAY too many reasons why you could be mafia...

[LyingBrian]

GG guys. Honestly, the whole situation Day 1 had me completely confused. I almost suicided the start of Day 2 because there was no way to win.

Nice Job LB

not true, you could've gotten me to lynch PTMB...

[LyingBrian]

What was scummy about me on Day 1? This is my 2nd completed game ever, and my first Mafia role, so as much detail as you could provide would be helpful.

most of the vibes i got was on Day 2, not Day 1...

[LyingBrian]

ok we win then, or at least we should.

we still cool, PTMB?..

[LyingBrian]

VRK, you gave me WAY too many reasons why you could be mafia...

I'm assuming you're talking about Day 2. Well, there was nothing that I saw that I could do - when I saw your post that you were actually not lynchable, I knew right there that I had lost. Not sure how I could have played it any differently. My scumbuddy got Modkilled, and without understanding the non-nightkillable and non-daykillable roles, I was kinda up the creek.

it seemed like you were trying to cast suspicion onto me, a confirmed townie... the best move would've been to make as strong a case as possible against PTMB... experience definitely helped in this game, though...

[LyingBrian]

GG guys. Honestly, the whole situation Day 1 had me completely confused. I almost suicided the start of Day 2 because there was no way to win.

Nice Job LB

not true, you could've gotten me to lynch PTMB...

Hmmm......how would you go about that without seeming like you're pushing for someone else to do your dirty work? Believe me, I thought about it, because it was the only way, short of a No Lynch, that I could win, but I didn't see how it could be done with out setting off y'all's scumdar.

PTMB already knew you were scum... you only had to convince me, also trying to kill me night 1 would not have been a bad idea...

[LyingBrian]

^

at worst you would've been 1:3 giving us 2 people besides you to mislynch FTW...

[LyingBrian]

also, killing PTMB instead of Raffles would've been a better move... killing off good players isn't against the rules, lol... it may have been a better strategy, although i don't want you to fall into the rut of only killing players b/c they're good, but in this instance, i would've kept alive the person i thought i had the best chance against...

[LyingBrian]

also, killing PTMB instead of Raffles would've been a better move... killing off good players isn't against the rules, lol... it may have been a better strategy, although i don't want you to fall into the rut of only killing players b/c they're good, but in this instance, i would've kept alive the person i thought i had the best chance against...

wait never mind, he was bulletproof... what's AC stand for?..

[LyingBrian]

The Activity Constant for this exact moment is about 52, which is expected since this was a very fast-paced game.

what's Activity Constant, and what's it used for?..

[LyingBrian]

also, killing PTMB instead of Raffles would've been a better move... killing off good players isn't against the rules, lol... it may have been a better strategy, although i don't want you to fall into the rut of only killing players b/c they're good, but in this instance, i would've kept alive the person i thought i had the best chance against...

Well with you and Pooky going at each other, I thought that

was

my best chance. Day 2 started and you said "Oops, did I say not night killable, I meant, not day killable", and I thought "Ah F#($". Like I said, I completely missed it, and didn't see it until it was too late. I agree that you would have been a better choice, maybe even a no-kill (if such a thing is allowed), but hindsight is 20/20.

good point about LB vs. PTMB... just make sure you learn from this game, that's what is going to make you a good player...

[LyingBrian]

The Activity Constant for this exact moment is about 52, which is expected since this was a very fast-paced game.

what's Activity Constant, and what's it used for?..

See M-M's Hypothesis, in his sig.

ahhh, i have sigs turned off...

[LyingBrian]

ok, now i'm turning sigs off again...