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Post #614 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:28 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
The defense is fine. The defense was great last year and they still have the ability to be great on the defensive side of the ball.
Their offense had huge glaring flaws last year, most notably an aging Eli Manning and a complete lack of offensive line play kept the offensive from being able to consistently run the ball and find consistency with their passing attack. In addition to that, the play calling was...questionable at best. The giants seem to think of themselves as a team that succeeds by power football and running the ball up the middle, but the problem is they haven't had the personnel to make that a viable strategy for years. It's all of these things that caused them to have one of the worst offenses in the league last year.
During the offseason the giants did...exactly nothing to address those issues. We still have Eli, and its clear he does not trust his protections. Which probably he shouldn't because we made 0 changes on an offensive line that was one of the leagues worst last year. Ereck Flowers is not going to magically turn into a starting quality NFL tackle out of nowhere. At this point, I'd be less surprised if he turned into a pumpkin. Jerry and Hart are glorified traffic cones, and Pugh and Richburg who would be decent players as middle of the road members of a decent offensive line are instead the best lineman we've got and its not nearly good enough.
The play calling basically seems to take the strategy of "Lets slam our worse offensive skill player right into the middle of our most glaring offensive weakness." and predictably the giants have run for less than 100 yards between the two games.
The defense has the potential to be great, but its hard to be great when you're on the field for almost a whole game worth of snaps in the first half alone.
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Post #619 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:05 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
Yeah. Like I think Eli needs to be benched. If you watched that game he threw maybe 3 balls that were good. Two of them were dropped, but thats just not acceptable, and this is even on the throws that led to good outcomes. On the Engram touchdown down the seam I don't think I've ever seen a player more open and Eli missed him by like a full yard from 10 yards away and got bailed out by Engram's athleticism.
But lets not pretend that will solve the problem. The problem is our offensive line has three players who probably would not even be backups on most other teams.
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Post #629 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:42 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 626, pickemgenius wrote:and if you ask me who I would want in the playoffs I would take peyton 4 million times out of 4 million.
because Peyton is a much much better QB.
not close.
football is a game. games have an element of variance. the idea that some players are better in "high leverage situations" is mostly garbage. There's a lot of research about this in baseball, which shows that the concept of "clutch" is pretty much a biproduct of noise. If we're trying to evaluate how a player does in a sample of 50 at bats, its impossible to draw meaningful conclusions because the sample is way too small. I'm not aware of similar research wrt football but I would be shocked if it were different.
Peyton is a better QB. If you have the weird choice to start peyton over eli in the playoffs (assuming they're both at their prime) and you choose Eli, you have made a monumentally stupid decision.
In post 625, TwoInAMillion wrote:I'm just saying, Eli ain't great, but he is probably better in the playoffs than Peyton who is considered a top 5 all time qb.
Well, one of those is due to "the luckiest play in NFL history", per Eli himself.
He played well the rest of the game too. But like, the thing with Eli has always been that hes a perfectly "fine" NFL QB. Sometimes he is good enough and sometimes he is not.
The problem is that this skillset does not age particularly well. And it does not do well with no O line and no running game.
So does Matthew Slater, that doesn't make him a better WR than Julio Jones. Eli was carried to two Super Bowl rings by great defences and/or defensive performances, and let's not forget that the Tyree catch was only so great because, after all the work Eli did to get free of the pressure and set himself up to get a good throw off, he way over threw him and somehow Tyree managed to catch it anyway.
Again, this is slightly unfair. Elis QB ratings in the playoffs that year were 117 132 87 79.
He played really well also.
That again does not mean he is a hall of famer (lol) or even a very good NFL QB.
But if you're going to bash him at least bash him for things he deserves to be bashed for.
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Post #650 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:00 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
Uhhhh are you sure?
He led the league in AY/A one year, was in the top 10 4 years of his career (8, 8, 10, 3) and didn't finish in the top 10 in any other years. For his career he was slightly above average in the stat to slightly below average in the stat (A/YA+) except for 2 very good years, which yes, were when TO was on the team.
Like he was slightly above average in A/YA over his career, but certainly not "through the roof"
You're also overselling his completion percentage, which was not league average but was instead varying levels of bad. He only finished 2 years in his career with a completion%+ of over 100 (where 100 represents league average.) He was instead anywhere from 5-10% worse than league average over his whole career.
Like, I think this is another case where he was not very good or very bad, just a totally fine NFL QB. Which is tremendously valuable. Most teams have a difficult time finding those.
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Post #752 (isolation #23) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:39 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 748, Bella wrote:I'm not panicking until they're played divisional games, but the Pats defence is looking garbage. They're giving up way too many rushing yards, and the secondary is looking poor. It's frustrating, because theoretically Gilmore should have made the secondary better, but instead, paying him instead of Malcolm Butler seems to have put the holdovers into a funk, and Gilmore isn't exactly performing to his price tag either. Gotta fix it, or it'll be a disappointing season where, like, the Pats lose the AFC Championship game.
At least I can enjoy the Jets totally Jetsing up their attempts to tank for a QB in next year's draft.
imo its not just the results, its the process. I haven't watched any of their games in full except for the first one, but I feel like every play I watch on redzone there is some massive coverage breakdown or missed gap assignment. They're not just giving up a lot of yards, they're seemingly giving up a lot of yards because they don't know how to run the scheme. This is at least fixable, but whether it is with the players they've got, I don't know.
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Post #759 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:02 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 757, Killthestory wrote:patriots have a god tier coaching staff thats why theyve been good for so long. theyre not bad in the slightest even if their defence is a little sucky.
you dont KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE 49ERS STILL HAVENT WON A GAME
We lost our fourth game this week. By three. When our coach went for it on fourth and 4 when we were in field goal range. After doing the same thing last week and saying in his press conference that he "wished he had that one back."
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Post #782 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:13 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 779, Bella wrote:Also, all you people whining about being fans of bad teams, please spare a thought for those poor bastards who're fans of the Cleveland Browns. Now they're true sports fans. Or massochists. Either/or.
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Post #904 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:28 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
Yeah the cap hit for Eli goes from 12m this year to 6m the year after that. That's where they cut ties. They should work on making a reasonable O line so we can see what we have in Webb without him dying in 2019.
I heard some rumors that the Jaguars might be willing to trade for Eli which would be great. The giants leaning websites I read were framing it like "for a 1st round pick and more would you do it?"
and I was just like LOL in no universe is eli worth a 1st rounder on its own, let alone plus. I'd settle for 2 third rounders or something like that. I think the giants should snap off that deal if its offered to them. It just gives them a lot more flexibility to actually do a rebuild.
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Post #1044 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 am
Postby Thestatusquo »
In post 1043, xRECKONERx wrote:The issue is Olsen is out... we have no running game... we have no O-Line... so I don't for the life of me understand why, at 5-3, we decided to get rid of our WR1 for the sake of a couple of non-first-round draft picks.
It's just absurd to me.
I think that you maybe answered your own question. Maybe, despite the record, they don't expect to be able to make the playoffs this year. In that case, getting what you can for a player on an expiring contract is a good move.
Also, you're undervaluing the draft picks, they got pretty close in value to what the pats got for garrapalo, for instance, for a player who is a good, but not elite WR. That's a very good haul.
I just think the panthers must have made a decision that they're not going to be able to make the playoffs this year. It's an odd decision, but if you take that as their mindset, their decision makes sense.
