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No, it's a mostly a bad thing. They had 3 QBs that they liked reportedly, and the decision was very close. If that was really the case, Barkley should have been 1. Because even if that audibles the Giants into a QB(which it probably wouldn't have, they probably would have taken the Guard), you still get one of your 3 guys. Best thing is that you didn't add Allen to the very long jersey despite your team liking him a lot.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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He's short, if that's what you mean by rub. But he also was prolific in college and played well against elite opposition(even if you say his conference shit he hung a shit ton of points on Georgia). I feel if he fails it's on Cleveland, not him.
I think they made the right call given the guys they liked (they liked the wrong guys), but it's simply an issue of perceived value. Barkley is widely panned as a generational talent, and the Browns reportedly thought it was fairly even between their 3 guys, so if you take the 1 of 1, you still are gonna get 1 of your 3 QB prospects no matter what and would likely get a choice of 2 of the 3, given the Giants don't seem interested in a QB this year.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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1 of those guys was really good though. And 1 of them is currently really good. The other the jury is still out on. And Bradford is an above average starter when he isn't hurt.In post 72, TwoInAMillion wrote:Winston, Newton, Bradford, Palmer...all heisman trophy winners picked #1. None have yet to win a Super Bowl.
And in 17 years only 10 QBs have won a super bowl. In 13 in 20. 7 of those 13 are either in the Hall of Fame or guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame. It's a very weird thing to measure success solely by whether or not you won a super bowl or not.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's obviously every organizations goal, but your thesis statement is "don't draft a Quarterback who won the heisman #1 overall, because they never win the super bowl", and my counterargument is only a very small number of quarterbacks win super bowls and it is not indicative of skill at the position due to the nature of the accomplishment (i.e it's a team game). There are several Hall of Fame passers without championships( for example, Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton). And as I stated previously, only 7 of 13 QBs in the last 20 years are current or surefire future hall of famers and the other 6 got carried by an elite defense, and if we're being honest Peyton Manning should really count as a half point for each side considering how bad he was when he won the broncos super bowl, so the score is a flat tie 6.5 to 6.5. The only person who can swing this score is Russell Wilson. It's a team accomplishment, not an individual accomplishmentIn post 74, TwoInAMillion wrote:In post 73, PJ. wrote:
1 of those guys was really good though. And 1 of them is currently really good. The other the jury is still out on. And Bradford is an above average starter when he isn't hurt.In post 72, TwoInAMillion wrote:Winston, Newton, Bradford, Palmer...all heisman trophy winners picked #1. None have yet to win a Super Bowl.
And in 17 years only 10 QBs have won a super bowl. In 13 in 20. 7 of those 13 are either in the Hall of Fame or guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame. It's a very weird thing to measure success solely by whether or not you won a super bowl or not.
I'm pretty sure Cleveland wants to win a Super Bowl. Maybe I'm wrong.
What you're saying is basically akin to saying "You should only draft Quarterbacks with the 199th pick because they win the most super bowls". It's silly. If you draft good players , regardless of when you draft them, you have a better chance of winning and for sure at least 50% of the players you mentioned are good football players and have nearly won a super bowl. Baker Mayfield seems to be a good football player.
And Drew Brees is a future Hall of Famer. They are the exception not the rule.brassherald wrote:This whole "Mayfield is short" thing is dumb. Last year, Russell Wilson, who I remind you, was considered too short to play QB, put up ridiculously good stats.
I already explained why they shouldn't have drafted him first overall in the post you quoted. They could of gotten a likely generational talent in Barkley AND still gotten Mayfield. They could have easily traded back into the first to get the corner if they were 100% sold on the guy, given how many picks they had.Nero Cain wrote:
by rub I meant y the Browns shouldn't have drafted Mayfield. I liked the pick. The CB pick might have been a reach but I think that was kinda a pr move to get a hometown guy but they could have traded down and got him later right?In post 65, PJ. wrote:No, it's a mostly a bad thingLast edited by PJ. on Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:19 am, edited 1 time in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I'm aware. I think you're wrong tho. The core of Arizona is very strong. I feel like they are gonna win more than 3 games before Bradford gets injured. I feel like you're forgetting that went 8-8 last year without David Johnson and Carson Palmer. Also the defense is largely still there. Arizona gonna be very good.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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And for the record, they went 3-1 DESPITE Stanton, not because of him. And Palmers last loss was half on Stanton. He went 5-14 with an INT and 0 TDs, but he didn't start that game, so it's Palmers loss.It was a 33 point shut out loss to the Rams. Stanton got benched after 2 games. Gabbert started the following 5 until he got hurt. Then Stanton play 2 games. Including a 26-24 victory over the Seahawks.
So to put things in perspective, A Seahawks team without Sherman, Bennett, Kam lost to the Drew Stanton Cardinals with a playoff spot on the line(yes, it was due to a missed field goal by a head case kicker that we should of never signed and have since replaced with Sebastian Janikowski BUT THEY WERE LEADING THE GAME WITH DREW FUCKING STANTON UNDER CENTER). Sherman will not be back. Bennett will not be back. We also cut Jeremy Lane our second best corner. The historically bad line has received two upgrades: D.J Fluker, who Shea will tell you is not very good, and a 5th round rookie Tackle. That's it. Seattle probably fixed their lineback depth problem. And the defensive tackle depth problem. Hopefully either rookie we drafted can step in as a good pass rusher. But we're out 2 corners. One of them was the best in the league and a probable future hall of famer. Seahawks will be vulnerable against the pass for the first time in 8 years. Earl Thomas is good and can cover the whole field but he can't LITERALLY cover every receiver on the entire field at the same time. Kam has always been more line backer than cover guy. Even if Penny comes in and replaces Marshawn Lynch 100% as a "doesn't need a blocker" bruising one cut running back, it's only gonna go so far in helping Wilson.
It's gonna be a long year guys. At least we play the Bears.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Also, not to go into full on negative nancy mode; but is there any actual evidence that is a great football coach instead of a guy who got lucky with a bunch of superstars on rookie contracts and his GM was allowed to ape shit in free agency for defensive stars AND depth - including a star QB that was being paid less than a million dollars a year?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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See that's my point. They were a "decent team in an incredibly tough division" LAST YEAR. They finished 8-8. The thing that makes it a little harder to project is the NFC West plays two other incredibly tough divisions next year: The AFC West and the NFC North. Much tougher than the NFC east and the AFC South.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Right, there's kinda only two ways to win in sports with a cap nowadays, either nail draft picks and load up in free agency(2015 GSW, Seattle, Philly) or have generational talent on sweetheart deals (Pats, current GSW). You can opt for a combination of 1 and 2 (Spurs).In post 126, shaft.ed wrote:
Basically how the Eagles were builtIn post 125, PJ. wrote:a bunch of superstars on rookie contracts and his GM was allowed to ape shit in free agency for defensive stars AND depth - including a star QB that was being paid less than a million dollars a year?
There's only one other proven way but it's not applicable in the NFLSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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This seems a lot like willful ignorance given the players that make up the MLS.In post 135, BROseidon wrote:
True. I mostly watch MLS where that isn't an issue because players can go to other places to make more.In post 134, shaft.ed wrote:
well its a lot more about underpaying athletes that seriously fuck up their health, but no one really cares about that end of the stickIn post 132, BROseidon wrote:but the cost is pretty explicitly making building of dynasties hard.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Woke Andrew LuckIn post 141, pickemgenius wrote:In post 130, PJ. wrote:I think we should all secretly be accounting for Rosen being the greatest Quarterback ever.
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Fans should be less racist.In post 162, TwoInAMillion wrote:That's dumb, NFL teams shouldn't be punished for not wanting to alienate fans.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Hate to break it to you, but the protest are way bigger deal than the sport. NFL's product is horrifically low quality tbh.In post 167, Kmd4390 wrote:In post 165, Kmd4390 wrote:Someone let me know when this thread is about football againSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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So if it was white people, talking about white problems, I assume you'd take the same stance of telling people not to spread their message to millions of people using the best platform available to them?
I'd assume you'd also break a picket line if your union went on strike, too, right?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Okay, I admit it, I'm a prick. But are you going to admit you're a racist?
Also like...at least Google what a libertarian is.
I'd still like an answer to this, by the way.In post 174, PJ. wrote:Also..why is "police should treat white people and black people the same" a controversial enough topic for it to possibly cost a player their job in the first place?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Pretty sure most players paychecks aren't cashable from "the fans". Pretty sure those have a billionaires name on it.In post 190, TwoInAMillion wrote:
because n f l fans write the players paychecks. maybe in a perfect society it wouldn't be that way but it is.In post 188, PJ. wrote:Okay, I admit it, I'm a prick. But are you going to admit you're a racist?
Also like...at least Google what a libertarian is.
I'd still like an answer to this, by the way.In post 174, PJ. wrote:Also..why is "police should treat white people and black people the same" a controversial enough topic for it to possibly cost a player their job in the first place?
Also a majority of the NFL's money actually doesn't come from the fans. It comes from tax payers (for new stadiums and stuff like the department of defense paying for the anthem to be televised), tv deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars per network, and sponsorship deals like Bose, the official headphones of the NFL.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 206, TwoInAMillion wrote:I respect what the protestors are fighting for but they are protesting the wrong thing in the name of publicity.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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It's easier to pick at the part of the code he's mad about.
For instance, fans are not in uniform. Should the NFL shut down concessions and memoriabilia shops in the stadium 5 minutes before the anthem and open them after, to increase patriotism and make sure everyone is "facing the flag and standing at attention". What about bathrooms? Or is that only for fans of color that need to respect the flag? White guy getting pre-game nachos ok but black guy next to him's nachos are disrespecting the flag?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Real talk, I was talking to my co-worker about wide receivers in daily, and I couldn't remember Beasley's name. I just said "the white guy on Dallas, they're all the same, it's the white guy that plays like all the other white guy's except this guy gets targets cause Dak throws short more than long". But yeah, Cole Beasley.
Also yeah, Sean Lee, super good linebacker, you should know his name because he's good at football. I know it's a struggle to know anybody that you can't draft in fantasy football, but yeah..at least remember good player's names.
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Is Pittsburgh a contender this year and if they are, is this the last year of a possibly championship window? Presumably, next year is without Ben and Bell. Is it time to see if they can get assets for Antonio Brown and some of the other good but not past it players?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I feel like every two years the afc north is like this....In post 325, Inferno390 wrote:NooooooooooooooooooSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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these motherfuckers with no loyalty.In post 353, Kmd4390 wrote:
Oh hey that's all my teams.In post 352, horrordude0215 wrote:I'm a Yankees/Raiders/Lakers fan. I don't think it's possible to hate Boston sports more. Lol
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yes.In post 362, horrordude0215 wrote:And fuck yeah I'm a Lakers fan. I live in Sacramento - what, am I supposed to root for the Kings?
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