In post 2614, Tierce wrote:You are dismissing a scene that is obviously triggering and disturbing as "I guess it shows the intellectual limitations of most Americans". Oh no, it affected people and they think the rape is a pretty crucial moment of the episode to the point of not wanting to/not being able to discuss the rest. They must surely be idiots!
Absolutely, if the only scene that merits substantial response is a narratively minor one.
Your argument dies here. One, rape culture.
Appeals to self-evidence are the definitive indicators of a vacuous argument.
Two, Americans have nothing to do with it.
Then broaden the scope to all viewers. It so happens that most of the complaints I have heard on this inane topic have been from Americans, but you rightly state -- and I never claimed the opposite -- that this myopia is not geographically limited.
Three, because it bears repeating,
rape culture
--see Alex Graves's commentary. Fourth, the moment you suggest that I cannot have a special reaction to rape (and that I do not consider other things are evil and wrong), you can bugger right off.
I never said you could not have a special reaction to rape. I also never said that you do not consider other things evil. I think your misplaced outrage would be better set aside so that you are more easily able to respond to claims made rather than a fantastical chimera thereof.
Go have your asinine pseudo-intellectual discussion about "morals" on a world that everyone knows is morally gray elsewhere. I'm talking about REAL PEOPLE. I'm talking about Alex Graves, the director of this episode. But no, keep discussing Westeros's morals because that's really relevant as to why "Americans are intellectually limited" when they are shocked by a rape scene.
That they are shocked is a matter of fact and thus not interesting at any discursive or dialectic level. On the other hand, the pseudo-intellectual response from those who are shocked is. I can only feel deep sadness at viewers who can watch a young girl murder others in cold blood and a prostitute be shot at point blank range in the vagina with a crossbow and somehow claim that it is a sexual assault that puts them over the edge.
Did you cheer last week? I cried. Joffrey was an asshole but nobody deserves to die that way. He was a boy who was murdered and died in his mother's arms. A terrible, horrible, psychopathic
child
with a terrible upbringing. I can sympathize with that death on a very personal level, having almost drowned once--the choking feeling is excruciating agony. Wow, that's a lot of intellectual limitation on my part.
As we both know, you are not forwarding an argument. But no, I did not cheer. Even if Joffrey were not fictional, he is still a child, and his death was pathetic and reflective of a systemic shortcoming.
By the by, that attempt at an insult? Not even accurate, I'm not American. Now who is intellectually limited, you pseudo-intellectual dolt?
The fact that I restricted the scope of my claim to Americans does not mean that it applies exclusively to them, you silly donut.
