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I just realized I can finally post/read this thread now that I'm officially caught up with literally everything, including the novellas.
It's as clear to everyone else as it is to me that the Azor Ahai isBalerion, adopted son of Rhaenys Targaryen and Puss that was Promised, right?Official Gimmick List:
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Ser Pounce is the adopted son of a Lannister. That makes him a lion. He has a part to play in the prophecy, but it ain't as Azor Reborn.In post 2470, Tierce wrote:Wrong. It's Ser Pounce.Official Gimmick List:
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A few things I noted (Spoilers for things upcoming in the season that the trailer touched on):
- It looks like Daario is replacing Fat Belwas in the duel.
- I like that they kept in the "Jaime reads the white book scene"
- Oathkeeper seems to, at least to my sight, have a garish gold color to half of it. Not a fan.
- Someone is obviously continuing the Craster tradition of sacrificing male babies to the Others. Is that one of the Traitor Crows?
- That Viper-Mountain scene looks like it is going to be incredible, and The Viper seems to be an appropriate enough level of latino to shut up any straggling complainers.Official Gimmick List:
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I don't know, absta, it seems to me the director's perception of scenes as opposed to how they actually appear is of critical importance. Sure, here, the scene works either way (though work very differently depending on what you "saw") but if a director intends a scene to appear consensual and it doesn't, in fact, appear consensual, he is NOT delivering good content because he is being a shit director. A director's whole JOB is to convey his intended message to the audience. If his message was "Jaime and Cersei have a sexual power struggle and they both consented", he failed at his directing job and it certainly is discussable.
I'm of split minds about the rape scene (and let's be clear, it was a rape) and its effects on Jaime's redemption.
On the one hand, I think we can all explicitly agree rape is bad and people who do it should feel bad. And what Jaime did was rape.
That said, how I interpreted the scene as it played out was Cersei not wanting to have sex on her son's dead body ("no, not here") and Jaime not really giving a shit ("I don't care"). While certainly still rape and certainly still egregious, it strikes me as much less "Jaime's redemption is now ruined" for him to have sex with her she would have consented to but for inappropriate location as opposed to sex she wouldn't have consented to under any circumstances.Official Gimmick List:
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Man, call me when we get to see some Kingslayer cock. That's the only cock worth getting pumped for.In post 2679, xRECKONERx wrote:http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/pedro-pa ... rview.html
oh dear lord
if i had ovaries they'd be going nuts right nowFor any of your upcoming nude scenes, do you show it all? Because we've been asking for more male nudity on the show.
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As well as an instrument to show Locke knew exactly who and what he was looking for.In post 2807, Seacore wrote:It's happened once before that I can think of Rhinox, when Osha and the other wildlings attacked him on horseback. Immediately after that he was able to be seen by Maester Luwin, who is established as a maester of some skill.
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My favorite part of that episode was when Varys was confirmed asexual, thereby cementing him as the Prince That Was Promised, AND the Stallion That Mounts the World, AND Azor Ahai reborn. It's all confirmed.
My faith was tested, but never wavered, when others suggested the only reason he didn't have sex was because no penis. I knew in my heart that even before, he didn't like girls and boys.Official Gimmick List:
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But it isn't really her misfortune and I think she is well aware of that. All other Arya scenes in the episode (and indeed this entire season) have shown she LIKES the path she is currently on. (The discussion of her eagerness to kill and wanting to see the light go out in her enemy's eyes, her explicit declaration she isn't a lady). Being stuck with her aunt would be the exact opposite of those statements: preventing her from killing and turning her back into a lady.In post 2879, evilpacman18 wrote:
That whole scene was great, I was laughing the whole time. Nice bit of comic relief before all the horror. I hope she still gets to see Sansa though! I know she probably won't but it's kind of becoming a sick joke how many times she's gotten SO CLOSE to reuniting with family and then not. Maybe that's another reason her laughing can be interpreted. Not laughing at the hound's misfortune but at her own (it'd be kinda meta since she doesn't know Sansa is there).In post 2870, quadz08 wrote:Yup that was super gross! WHEEE.
Arya cracking was awesome. The commune watched together and all of us cracked up as soon as Arya started laughing, it was great.
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In post 2922, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:That's too mainstream. We need more people on Team Cersei.
Or like, any of the Greyjoys.
Team Theon, right here.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 2978, Aegor wrote:I know I am in the minority, but I guess that is a bit surprising to me. What is the appeal of Tyrion and Arya? Especially when compared to characters I find much more interesting, e.g. Varys, Littlefinger, evenDaenerys after DwD, etc.I don't see what's so interesting in a billion chapters of "Muh waifu, muh waifu, muh waifu" and then a last chapter of "I ate something that disagreed with me".
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I guess the question is...WILL YOU ANSWER INJUSTICE WITH JUSTICE?Official Gimmick List:
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Spoiler: Spoiler For People who haven't read the booksOfficial Gimmick List:
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Me too. GoT is a show, especially for me, that I get as much if not more watching along with everyone else as I do watching it itself.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3135, quadz08 wrote:polyhaus watched it tonight
pretty good, though nothing on either bran or arya is a bit of a downer (but moar sansa-littlefinger isalwaysgood with me)
also the Margery/Loras dynamic remains really entertaining
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In post 3161, evilpacman18 wrote:In post 3158, esuriospiritus wrote:In post 3151, evilpacman18 wrote:I was excited to see Alexander Siddig as Oberyn Martell's dad. I loved him in Syriana
dude. Star Trek DS9.
Spoiler: not the best picture but meh
But yes, definitely good to see a familiar face.
oh shoot. I don't watch Star Trek but that's funny
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Head Writer: "Alright, Dany's plot from DWD is already pretty tedious, and we already cut most of the interesting stuff out, but I really think if we dig deep we can really make the plot uninteresting and aimless for literally everyone."Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3237, xRECKONERx wrote:R+L=J confirmed last night for any keen watchers
also uhhh I was really disappointed by the Sand Snakes?
ALSO holy shit that Stannis scene with his daughter was the best part of the season so far.
Confirmed is a VERY strong word.
I mean, they certainly hinted at it, but there is by all means plenty of ways it can play out without R and L equaling J. Hell, I don't even think R + L was completely confirmedOfficial Gimmick List:
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That's pretty unfair, considering how many people he cut through before he was overwhelmed.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3251, Venmar wrote:I thought the fight itself was weak."Oh Dany, im gonna to conveniently go for a walk. Oh look! Harpy! I'm going to be a hero! Oh shit, i'm old and there's dozens of them. Oh thanks Grey worm for saving me a lot. Oh shit, now we're both possibly dead. #worthit"
Aside from the convenient walk, that is the exact opposite vibe I got from it.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3294, quadz08 wrote:As a book-reader I really like the fact that the show is basically a different story at this point, and am frankly going to be a bit disappointed if they don't both come to totally different conclusions
Yes, at this point my only hope is that the books are going in an entirely different direction, because otherwise I'll go crazy reading spoilers into every big ticket thing suddenly cut from the show plot.Official Gimmick List:
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Also, you guys are such Stark loyalists. I never was all that attached to the Starks that I suddenly didn't have anyone left to root for when they were cut down. I mean, I liked Ned and Robb, but they weren't essential players on my "Characters to Watch For" list. Give me Stannis, the on true Asexual King, any day.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3302, quadz08 wrote:except for the bit where he's not asexual at all?
It has always been clear to me he only has sex because he feels like it is his duty either to his wife (for children) or for his country (Red witch shadow magic, IF he is even having sex with her at all in the books). It is, perhaps, less clear he is on the show, given he is clearly having sex with Mels, but I have seen nothing that contradicts my view.
Here are two quotes I can recall off my head to cite:
"...he did his duty in the marriage bed once or twice a year, but took no joy in it, and the sons he had once hoped for had never come."
"Were it anyone else outside the gates, I might hope to beguile him. But this is Stannis Baratheon. I’d have a better chance of seducing his horse." (This one I recall being on the show as well)Official Gimmick List:
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Well, yes, he is definitely having sex with his wife in both show and books, but if anyone is the type to go "Well, I certainly don't WANT to do this but this is the way things are done and I have a duty" about keeping at having a male heir it is Stannis.
I mean, the asexuals who actually have had sex can answer this better than I, but it was always my belief that asexuals can still enjoy sex (since our nerve endings all still work), it just isn't something we are inclined to do unless we have a reason other than "boy oh boy, am I horny". I like the book-Stannis interaction with the Red Witch better, but I don't see necessarily a contradiction in having sex for duty and finding that sex physically pleasurable while still finding it a waste of time and something he'd have no interest in if it wasn't for the magic and divine favor he was getting out of it. He certainly has never been making the first move on the show, at the very least.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3312, Iecerint wrote:My inference was that Stannis didn't particularly love his love, and his relationship with her and sex with her was just related to his belief in order and duty and so on. But I guess there's no discussion of concubines for him really other than Melisandre, with whom sex has another purpose, so.
Hell, he hates people having sex not for duty so much he shut down all the brothels.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3327, Venmar wrote:Or maybe cause he hates Brothels and/or thinks they're just bad..?
Stannis isn't asexual, he's just hardcore.
ONE LEADS TO THE OTHER.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3330, Venmar wrote:=/=
Of course not, but it isn't particularly hardcore to "only fuck your wife like once or twice a year and only for a heir". That's just asexuality.Official Gimmick List:
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Why is the North as green as the rest of Westeros?Official Gimmick List:
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This season has quickly made me go from actually enjoying the show to kind of hatewatching/watching only to yell "THAT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENED" at the screen.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3473, Iecerint wrote:It's pretty dumb to get angry at it simply because it is different from the source material.
I mean, there are plenty of valid reasons to get angry or uncomfortable, so.
There are plenty of books where using the same characters in different but similar situations makes for an equivalent or even better version. This is gearing up to not be one of them. Game of Thrones, more than most books I've read, is a book heavily invested in specific plots in a specific order.
I just feel like I'm watching fan fiction of Game of Thrones rather than an adaptation of a Song of Ice and Fire and it is definitely showing in terms of quality when they divert from the main plot.
In post 3474, Rhinox wrote:The comparison of these 2 storylines just show the problem this season has with inconsistent pacing which just drains all the air out of everything. But whats worse is that the acting is so much worse this season than in past seasons. There are some well acted moments but they are very few and far between. That Stannis and Shireen scene earier on was great. Theon's actor is absolutely killing it as Reek. Doran is good, for like the 10 seconds of screen time he's had. But the majority of whats going on is very flat. It all goes back to poor writing. And that likely comes from the fact that so much is off-book. D&D really have shown they're not very good at inventing their own stuff for GoT. And it doesn't help that they seem to think that people won't notice or care as long as there's SHOCK and DRAGONS (and RAPE, apparently).
This exactly. It's fine to go away from source if you are improving it. They 100% are not.
In post 3476, Fluminator wrote:I don't watch this show but the rage of the rape scene is all over.
I'm just confused how a show about murder, oppression, cutting genitals off, and torture is fine, but a rape scene is awful.
Would there be less rage if the girl was killed rather than raped?
I think it's an issue of what purpose is being served. The rapes we've had this season do not exist to do anything but develop some other character's story and they are using characters (or at least one character) people care about to do it. It's lazy. I think there would be just as much rage if Sansa was killed off instead to justify Theon's rebellion, but they'd never do that because they know better than to use the death of a important main character for that purpose. They obviously have no idea they shouldn't use rape either.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3482, Venmar wrote:In post 3481, RichardGHP wrote:because most viewers have never experienced that themselves. But rape is a grim reality and it strikes a sensitive nerve for some people.
Pardon me for being ignorant, but i'd wager thatmostpeople have never experienced rape first hand themselves.
A quick google search tells me the current statistic is upwards of 1 out of every 6 women and 1 out of every 33 men have been the victim of a rape or attempted rape. So I would wager that most of society has a close associate who has been the victim of rape or is a victim themselves.
Compare that to the murder rate, which is about 5 out of every 100,000.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3500, ChannelDelibird wrote:Also FUCKING CHRIST I NEED WINDS OF WINTER RIGHT NOW I DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT THESE THINGS THIS WAY
Normally I'm in a cage of rage when the show diverts from the books, but this was actually pretty alright with me, because it wasn't really spoiling anything. We already know the White Walkers are amassing a zombie army in the books. We already know they are dangerous. We gain no new information from this episode than we did from the books at the same point in Jon's story, except we get a fight scene that plays really well on TV.
Dany's "BREAKING THE WHEEL" was 3edgy5me. I think it would have played well if it was shown more as "Dany being naive and thinking she is tough when it is much more complex" and not just making Dany "badass" for the sake of being badass. It's the sort of thing I expect 90's anti-heroes to say while chomping a cigar and wearing a bandolier of pouches. I found it much more cringy than Ramsey's title drop, because at least that passed quickly and didn't have the actor chewing the scenery to deliver it.
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In post 3553, Rhinox wrote:In post 3551, AniX wrote:Normally I'm in a cage of rage when the show diverts from the books, but this was actually pretty alright with me, because it wasn't really spoiling anything. We already know the White Walkers are amassing a zombie army in the books. We already know they are dangerous. We gain no new information from this episode than we did from the books at the same point in Jon's story, except we get a fight scene that plays really well on TV.
Well we did learn thatValyrian steel does in fact kill Others;which has only been hinted at in the books and not yet confirmed.
Well, yeah, but we already know that there are weapons that can kill them and the "heroes" are in possession of those weapons, so while it's great for the heroes to know it isn't a game-changing like, for example, Barry up and dying.Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3585, chamber wrote:In post 3584, Tammy wrote:That's the problem!
I don't mind when tv shows/movies deviate from the text as long as they at least keep the character intact. This doesn't go at all with Stannis' character.
Maybe I don't understand his character as well as you but it seemed to fit to me? He assassinated his own brother.
Yeah, but his brother was WRONG. Stannis is older than Renly, that means Stannis is next in line. What Renly was doing was, to Stannis, the ultimate act of disrespect and tantamount to open rebellion against the rightful kingdom.
Whereas the only thing Shireen did wrong was be born of Stannis' bloodline and be around when a person of that bloodline was required.
Stannis was always someone (and remains in the ONE TRUE PLOT) someone for whom good and evil are not really considerations. It has always been what is right and what is wrong. Killing pretenders is right. Killing children for tactical advantage is wrong.
The writer's room is a fucking joke at this point. They seem to believe that drama is One Parts "Badass Scene that defines the character" (Stannis and his daughter lovefest, Sansa learning to play the Game) and two parts "LOL PSYCHE THAT EARLIER SCENE WAS A WASTE OF FILM".Official Gimmick List:
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In post 3639, SnowStorm wrote:They're just trying to piss off everyone now. If they think some cool scene with dragons can make up for burning a child alive, they're wrong. I couldn't even enjoy the stupid dragon scene.
Also, is it me or the Internet seemed much more shocked and upset with the Sansa rape scene than this?
I mean, the rape scene had sexism and "rape as character development for men" problems with it in addition to its terrible writing and non-book stuff. Whereas there isn't a huge IRL social issue with little kids being burned at the stake (at least ANYWHERE on par with rape of women) nor is it a prevalent plot device in the media.
Whereas here the only real objection is "This is OOC shit for Stannis" and "Not my canon!". I mean,, there is also the "THIS IS TOO FAR THIS TIME" crowd, but I have no sympathy for them. The literal first episode had a guy stop having adulterous incest with his sister to push a young child out a window.Official Gimmick List:
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One person I've really warmed up to is Qyburn. His relationship with Cersei is one of my favorites, because the a creepy ex-maester Dr. Frankenstein should have nothing in common with a nobleborn Queen Regent with a chip on her shoulder, but not only do they get along, he is loyal to her even after she loses all status and is a powerless woman in a prison cell. I thought the scene where he rushes to her side with the cloak was less "Gotta suck up to the boss" and more genuine concern for her physical and emotional pain.Official Gimmick List:
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I am watching under duress. I don't want to watch before I read WoW. But I don't want to hear about the plotlines on the show secondhand even less.Official Gimmick List:
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A few notes:
1. I am convinced the whole Doran thing was a prank on Alexander Siddig
"Hey here is this badass role for you. Super important for the future of the books."
>Does absolutely nothing for a whole season
> Gets murdered in the first episode of the next season
2. I really connected with those bloodriders. They speak to my soul.
3. The Sansa-Brienne scene was pretty good. Too bad it will all come to naught when Stannis returns. We never see him die. We never see a body. When was the last time someone that important died on this show and is never shown a corpse?
4. Who is next in line for the Martells even? Aren't the rest of the remaining people bastards?
5. Who is the true king of Westeros now that Stannis is missing in action and Shireen is ash? Is there any Bartheons left?
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In post 3785, ChannelDelibird wrote:In post 3783, AniX wrote:5. Who is the true king of Westeros now that Stannis is missing in action and Shireen is ash? Is there any Bartheons left?
It's very possibly Dany, if I remember correctly. There's some Targaryen blood a few generations back in the Baratheon line.
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In post 3787, chamber wrote:Doesn't Robert have a bunch of bastards? At which point does it fall on them?
Never I don't think. Legitimately at any rate. Unless Stannis had a secret legitimization decree we don't know about.Official Gimmick List:
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But the Crown doesn't travel down the Lannister line legitimately. The ONLY reason Tommen is still king is there is that flimsy assertion that he is still the legitimate heir to Robert. Once they try to pass it to a Lannister even that excuse goes out the window. And if they are surrendering the pretense of it being a legitimate inheritance Cersei might as well seize the throne for herself outright.Official Gimmick List:
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- Euron reminded me of evil Obi-Wan Kenobi
- Still no corpse for Stannis.
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Also Cersei-Qyburn-Strong remains my favorite alliance on the show.Official Gimmick List:
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A few notes:
1. The Qyburn-Cersei-Jaime-Strong alliance is my favorite group on the show.
2. House Clegane Basin Guaranteed!
3. Arthur Dayne is suitably badass fighting with two swords and only going down with a frogman cheapshot.
4. I can't believeTime-travelling Bran and Selyse Baratheonconfirmed as Jon's parents.
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I thought the episode was good not great. A lot of important stuff was basically rushed through. The Walkers are obviously going to be the biggest bad on the show and they get an out of the blue origin story that lasts about all of one minute
And I thought the Hodor scenes just...didn't play well. It is a textbook case of a Narm scene in every scene of the word for me (in Six Feet Under I think a character has a stroke and keeps repeating "Numb Arm" which like with Hodor becomes Narm. But the scene played so unintentionally hilarious it has become a term for a supposedly serious scene that cannot be taken seriously).
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One thing that pissed me off was that Euron doesn't wear an eyepatch. It is one of those changes that improves LITERALLY nothing: It isn't expensive to have an eyepatch. It translates well to screen unlike some other distinctive appearance traits (blue hair or wacky facial hair). Any actor can wear one. It gives Euron a distinctive look. It just strikes me as deviating from the books for the sake of deviating from the books.Official Gimmick List:
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I don't believe so. He was wearing a hood but I specifically remember saying to myself "Does he not have an eyepatch?"In post 3912, hasdgfas wrote:
Didn't he wear one in the scene he murdered Balon in?In post 3903, AniX wrote:One thing that pissed me off was that Euron doesn't wear an eyepatch. It is one of those changes that improves LITERALLY nothing: It isn't expensive to have an eyepatch. It translates well to screen unlike some other distinctive appearance traits (blue hair or wacky facial hair). Any actor can wear one. It gives Euron a distinctive look. It just strikes me as deviating from the books for the sake of deviating from the books.Official Gimmick List:
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Pic related it is everyone who said it wouldn't happen:
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It is obviously to King Stannis I. Since Brienne was responsible for sparing Stannis and Brienne is a sworn sword to Sansa she presumably told Sansa all about Stannis' continued life and where to find him. She clearly is keeping things from Jon so I see no reason she wouldn't do the same here (especially if Brienne revealed her yet as unknown reasons for sparing him).
And the scene RIGHT BEFORE is all about her trying to figure out whether to trust Stannis to join the fight: First interrogating Davos about Stannis and then interrogating Jon about Davos. Only after Jon vouched for Davos and Davos for Stannis did she take pen to paper. This is further strengthened by the formal nature of the letter with signature and seal. Littlefinger had already offered his support. She need not take the risk a formal decree would bring. The only one who would be swayed (even required it) by such formalities is the One True King.Official Gimmick List:
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His troops are clearly the BWB and he is the new King Stoneheart.Official Gimmick List:
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This Aya plot armor is getting stupid. GoT was the one show where choices matter. If your character gets into a spot where they should die they would die.
meanwhile Arya betrays a literal assassins guild
then LITERALLY strolls around openly
then LITERALLY turns her back to the world to look at an ocean
then after suffering what should have been mortal wounds defeats trained assassin with much more training than her.
and finally breaks into an assassins guide while still suffering mortal wounds
At this point she might as well go back to Winterfell because her and Ramsey are going to be the only two people left alive in the world because neither can die no matter what life throws at them.Official Gimmick List:
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It was multiple stab wounds to the stomach (including being twisted) from a trained assassin of the premiere assassins guild in thee world who took her by surprise. It was bleeding profusely and she took multiple falls both before and after it was stitched up by an actress whose only expertise is some of her exes also needed stitches once in a while. It seems very implausible to me that a trained assassin who literally was able to set up her attack perfectly stabbed her multiple times and managed to avoid every single vital organ in that region.In post 3965, Frozen Angel wrote:the weird point about that assassin guild was the fact that there were no other assassins around there.
but what mortal wounds are you talking about. it was a dagger in her stomach! you won't die if its not a critical hit.
Compare to Ned Stark who got stabbed once in the leg and spent the rest of the season with a profound and disabling limp that required a walking stick and milk of the poppy to manage the pain from.Official Gimmick List:
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Yeah but the way it was bleeding indicated to me some major blood vessels were hit. And it just seems so outrageous a trained assassin stabbing the gut wouldn't hit a kidney or liver. Those are in the exact location she was being stabbed and the assassin (even if she somehow lost her Faceless Man precision) gave it multiple stabs.In post 3967, Frozen Angel wrote:its not the same. if someone hit your feet you can't walk normally
if someone hit your stomach you will bleed. if you don't die becuase of blood lost or it get Infectious you won't die. if it was a dagger to heart or lungs it was a different story , but it was a dagger in stomach.
her fall in last ep (from that bridge) was a bit too much I agree as a wounded person who fell will start loosing blood rapidly and they can't just walk around in streets like that. but the way they show her crawling to a corner and then standing up normally in this ep was not unreal becuase her wounds was bundled.
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But part of the charm of Game of Thrones is that it only asks you to do that about fantasy plot elements and VERY RARELY about mundane consequences of actions.In post 3979, esuriospiritus wrote:rabble rabble, I thought arya was fine.
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I'm glad we got ANOTHER Deus Ex Machina army riding to the rescue at just the right moment when all seems lost.
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That is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I want to see. I'm sick of happy endings.In post 4031, Venmar wrote:
See, this didn't bother me. It's been foreshadowed multiple times, we knew thatIn post 4030, AniX wrote:I'm glad we got ANOTHER Deus Ex Machina army riding to the rescue at just the right moment when all seems lost.the Vale Army had been raised and that Petyr wanted to help Sansa. More over, we saw Sansa write to the Vale 2-3 episodes prior to this battle. Finally, a Rohan saving Gondor situation is never as bad as certain other Deus Ex Machina's. There were others in this episode, like Jon being saved by the two sides of cavalry conveniently reaching him at the same time, etc, but the DEM in this episode weren't that bad and though a bit cliche, they were great television.
That said, this episode might've single-handedly brightened my outlook on the season. The Daenarys portions were surprisingly great this time around. I am a bit worried now that the show isn't bound to the books it is finally able to start pleasing the fans by showing us what we've finally wanted to see:our heroes and loved characters finally winning, but we'll see how that goes.
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Exactly. That's what makes Game of Thrones special and to me interesting. There is no plot armor. There is no guarentee of a happy ending. Consequences matter. Only they don't if they are too evil to die before a big hero takes you down or you are that big hero.In post 4035, Venmar wrote:
Not very common in GoT... not to mention it's a bit weird to want endings shrouded in misery.In post 4033, AniX wrote:That is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I want to see. I'm sick of happy endings.Official Gimmick List:
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Regarding your second spoiler:In post 4058, Tere wrote:I imagine Dorne will show up again, given the massive hard on GRRM has for Ariane in the books. Hopefully very cut down though.
If you believe the Reddit spoilergate which has been pretty accurate so farthey will show up next episode. Probably as additions to Dany's army IMO.
I've not watched it yet, I spoiler myself because my Facebook feed can't take a dose of STFU so I tend to Youtube the critical moments and then wait to watch the box set with hubby. It actually does feel like things are progressing to a conclusion now in all the plotlines. I feel more confident 14 episodes will do this.
What does everyone think of the High Sparrow theory?Which is that High Sparrow is Howland Reed, and that's how the reveal of R+L=J happens?That sounds extremely unlikely. Reed doesn't even worship the Faith of the Seven let alone knows enough about it to create an entire false identity about it. Besides that would be the second biggest asspull to pull off the BIGGEST asspull and I'd probably stop watching the show honestly if they did that.Official Gimmick List:
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