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The most interesting thing about the Osweiler thing is that I'm surprised it doesn't happen(in football) more often, because it's a textbook basketball trade - bad teams taking on bad contracts for assets. And maybe giving up a decent veteren with a better contract in return.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Seattle. We got Luke Joeckel on a "prove it" deal but he's just a bad player. We need offensive linemen....like yesterday. We passed on all the good guards. The tackles sucked(that kalil deal lolo get rekt reck), and our center is actually decent. If we could get a little young on the DL and maybe get a CB to go opposite Sherman that would be icing, but we need at least 2 tackles. Both guards were rookies, and could improve(also I think Joeckel switched to guard too) but we need two tackles right now.In post 52, ChrisOrmie wrote:What's everyone's team - and after FA so far, what position/player are you expecting them to pick up in the draft?
Might as well start. I'm a Broncos fan, and I still think we need a OT, possible TE, and DL/LB help. Not sure where we go at #20 though.
Smith should be decent, but the one I like a lot is Jeffery. Gives the young QB a couple of good targets to aim for at least.In post 51, shaft.ed wrote:Not sure how I feel about Eagles WR pickups
Though at least more likely to work out than their recent draft choices
Walterfootball has the seahawks grabbing Jabrill Peppers as a do-everything defensive swiss army knife. Which if he really could play 3 different positions, I'd be totally fine with, but yo, we need linemen so BAD. So I'm hoping to see a combination of 2 or 3 of Cam Robinson, Ryan Ramcyzk, Garrett Bolles, Julie'n Davenport, Javarius Leamon, Will Holden, and David Sharpe. Only guys I would want to see in the first round that aren't a tackle is Peppers mentioned above and Obi MelifonwuSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's fair, but still, 65 isn't wildly old compared to most of his peers. He's not even the oldest coach. Carroll, Arians, Caldwell, and Fox are all around the same age.
Most shocking development in me looking up coach ages - Andy Reid is not a top 5 oldest coach. Also if Jon gruden came back he might not be in the top 15.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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yeah but Oakland and San Diego are in the same region. The team in that division that is half way across the country is KC. You can't even get a flight out there without a big layover. Like if the Division was Oak, SD, DEN, LV, that's a regional division. Or I guess LA now. LA, OAK, DEN, LV would be nice, esp cause LA got hella non stop flights.
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Alright, let's use our imaginations. If you had a super model wife and were on the road consistently, and couldn't see her, and anything on that phone pertaining to her on your phone could be sold to media outlets(because she is both more famous and wealthy than you are), would you give an organization who is plagued with "leaks" your cell phone? I'd fucking put that thing in a box in the bottom of the ocean where the only way you could get it is if you were motherfucking Jacques Cousteau.In post 134, ChrisOrmie wrote:Yeah nothing sketchy about him and his phone... nothing at all. Patriots are good boys!Last edited by PJ. on Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_UniversityIn post 151, AGar wrote:
Have you BEEN to Tallahassee? There ain't shit there, brah.In post 124, T-Bone wrote:Do you think a player can't hire a prostitute in Tallahassee?
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QB A: 124 starts, 65.5% completions, 32344 yds, 208tds, 128ints, 260 sacks, n/ya7.08, 93.7 rate. 1 ring, 4 pro bowls, 2 all pros, 2 MVPs.
QB B: 156 starts, 65.3% completions, 34183 yds, 248 tds, 117 ints, 248 sacks, n/ya 7.09, 97.7 rate, 4 pro bowls.
QB C: 169 starts, 65.3% completions, 33124 yds, 232tds, 107 ints, 356 sacks, ny/a 6.89, 96.8 rate 3 sbs, 3 all-pros, 7 pro bowls.
Would you rather have A, B, or C? (Don't cheat and Google it, you cheeky fucks)
Only caveat I'll add is players A and C won all their accolades (mvps, sbs, all-pros) prior to 4 of the best QBs of all time starting their careers, player B did not have that luxury.Last edited by PJ. on Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:37 am, edited 2 times in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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A is Hall of Fame Quarterback Kurt Warner. C is Steve Young. B is Romo.
Romo's stats are straight up better than Warner's, but Warner had the benefit of winning 2 MVPs(and All-Pros) while Peyton was very very young and Brady's first year was Warner's second mvp year. The top 5 QBS statistically in 1999: Warner, Steve Beuerlein, Jeff George, Sophomore Peyton Manning, Brad "second worse SB QB ever" Johnson. 2001, the competition wasn't much stiffer; Warner, Gannon, fucking jeff garcia, farve, Steve McNair.
Let's go to Romo's best 2 years, 2014 and 2011. Romo had a better QBR and Passer Rating than anyone and threw further on average than 3 of 4 of his fellow top 5 QBs. Those QBs? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, PRIME Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. All surefire Hall of Famers, and possibly the 4 best ever I might add. In 2011, same top 5 prescence among 3 of the same names, except EVEN MORE IN THEIR PRIME(Matt Stafford in the 5th spot due to Peyton being out with a broken frickin neck).
If Romo's prime was 10 years earlier, he'd have easily surpassed Warner's numbers. Oh, and might I add, he's basically had no help at WR. Arguably Miles Austin is the best guy he ever threw to unless you are putting a lot of weight on like...all 8 healthy games Dez Bryant had or are gonna say his real best receiver was Jason Witten, which probably helps prove my point. His passing stats aren't that far from(and also kind better than) Hall of Famers with similar career lengths. I'm not saying he's in, but I'm saying the conversation isn't as ridiculous as people are making it seem because he's Tony Romo.Last edited by PJ. on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Why do we have to induct John Elway twice?In post 184, ChrisOrmie wrote:NFL MVP, 2 Super Bowl rings, and a Super Bowl MVP... yeah TD deserves to be in the HoF.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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But like...what numbers? Career TDs? He played in an era where that was more plentiful and still didn't surpass a guy like Brandon Jacobs who only started 49 games. If you prorate it out to 96 (the number of starts Shaun Alexander had) you get 74 or 26 short of Alexander. Y/a is 4.6, but that's about where most very good guys land. He has the same y/a as Ahman green. A little more than Alexander and Holmes. 2k season? CJ2K. Is he going in? Idk man...he's a weird spot and better guys could go ahead of him. His yds/g are very impressive but it's skewed in that he had 4 years of prime then basically never played again.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Tbf though, cj2k has like 30 more starts and 20 less y/g...but I'm full agreement that neither should be HoF.
Edit: I just feel once you put TD in the hall you really start opening the flood gates at RB. There's a handful of guys that I would say are better than TD but not deserving of the hall but now they should all go inSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Yeah, that'll help, but look at who's NOT in. Not in any particular order but all people I see ahead of TD that are currently HoF eligible: Priest Holmes(a better short career guy imo), Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Corey Dillon, Fred Taylor, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn. Ricky Williams (another short career guy I'd put over TD - also Ricky missed 1/2 his prime years).
Once CJ2K finis he's up, I'm assuming he'll still be behind at least half the guys mentioned above, and also have to wait in line behind Adrian Peterson(likely first ballot HoF), Steven Jackson(11,500 rushing yards, 69 tds before even considering his pretty solid receiving stats), and Frank Gore (as long as the wheels don't fall off completely and he meets his yearly avgs for the past 12 years he'll jump to 4th in all time rushing).
CJ2K will likely have to wait out LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte as well.
And there are plenty of question marks behind that: Demarco Murray could very well lock in a couple 13-14 hundred seasons in a row in Tennessee. Alfred Morris would need to leave Dallas in short order but he has 5000yds, but is in his year 29 season (he did mostly take last year off though). Bell, Ingram, and Martin all have loads of work to do but plenty of time to do it. Not to mention Zeke.
Lynch is also a wild card, especially if he unretires and runs for anything close to 1300 yds and 13 tds, which will shoot him into the 10k club AND give him 87 rushing tds. If he stays in Oakland for 2-3 years he could finish with 11000 yards and 100tds, which 100% guarantees him a spot imh(umble)o. I don't think he has enough if he stays retired though. Unless they give him TD love.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Yeah, that'll help, but look at who's NOT in. Not in any particular order but all people I see ahead of TD that are currently HoF eligible: Priest Holmes(a better short career guy imo), Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Corey Dillon, Fred Taylor, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn. Ricky Williams (another short career guy I'd put over TD - also Ricky missed 1/2 his prime years).
Once CJ2K finishes up, I'm assuming he'll still be behind at least half the guys mentioned above, and also have to wait in line behind Adrian Peterson(likely first ballot HoF), Steven Jackson(11,500 rushing yards, 69 tds before even considering his pretty solid receiving stats), and Frank Gore (as long as the wheels don't fall off completely and he meets his yearly avgs for the past 12 years he'll jump to 4th in all time rushing).
CJ2K will likely have to wait out LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte as well.
And there are plenty of question marks behind that: Demarco Murray could very well lock in a couple 13-14 hundred seasons in a row in Tennessee. Alfred Morris would need to leave Dallas in short order but he has 5000yds, but is in his year 29 season (he did mostly take last year off though). Bell, Ingram, and Martin all have loads of work to do but plenty of time to do it. Not to mention Zeke.
Lynch is also a wild card, especially if he unretires and runs for anything close to 1300 yds and 13 tds, which will shoot him into the 10k club AND give him 87 rushing tds. If he stays in Oakland for 2-3 years he could finish with 11000 yards and 100tds, which 100% guarantees him a spot imh(umble)o. I don't think he has enough if he stays retired though. Unless they give him TD love.
I just don't see any reason to give it to TD when we seemingly already have a logjam at RB AND they need to get these receivers in as well. Isaac Bruce, Moss, TO. And you then you got Holt after that. And a whole host of playing/recently retired guys.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Do I think Charles deserves over TD? Sure. Over CJ2K? No. Going into year 31, and gonna be on a snap limit, so I think his stats now are final. Are his stats now good enough? Not imo. But he does have a injury short career guy argument but no rings(unless you count every fantasy football championship he won in 2013)so it's rough no matter what crowd you're in.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Can we not?In post 201, Bella wrote:The tragedy of Aaron Hernandez came to a fitting end. May God have more mercy for you than you showed Odin Lloyd.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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No trade mock cause i don't have time for that shit.
1. CLE - Myles GarretI think I agree with Warren Sapp, but I doubt the browns do, and I think he'll be the guy in a weak draft.
2. SF - Solomon ThomasThis could be anybody, but I think it should this guy.
3. Chi - Jamal AdamsWeak Draft, Mike Glennon, he's the guy.
4. Jax - Leonard FournetteThey need a running game to help the hapless Blake Bortles
5. Ten - O.J HowardWeapons for Mariota and he has higher upside imo.
6. NYJ - Malik HookerThis is the spot most rumored to be a trade(to CLE to grab Trubisky, but if they don't it's best player availible without a recent shoulder injury.
7.Best Player available and the chargers are too stupid to care about injuries or good business decisions, they'd prefer Malik Hooker tho.SDLACh - Jonathon Allen
8. CAR - Christian McCafferyAll reports say they love this kid and he's a playmaker, so I think this is what we're gonna get.
9. CIN - John RossThey already have AJ Green so Mike Williams is a non-starter, and they wanted Will Fuller last year. They get a better Will Fuller this year. Good things come to those who (are forced to) wait.
10. BUF - Marshon LattimoreThey replace Gilmore with the best corner in the draft.
11. NO - Marlon HumphreyBetter prospect then the pass rushers, so they go DB.
12. CLE - Mitch TrubiskyThey will probably get him at 6 and not 12, but he goes here.
13. ARI - Reuben FosterCardinals are unphased by guy who have red flags. I think he's the pick despite Reddick having been getting momentum lately.
14. PHI - Derek BarnettEagles need an edge rusher. They find one
15. IND - Charles HarrisNext best pass rusher goes to the next team that needs it, although these guys need everything.
16. BAL - Mike WilliamsThey are more than happy to find that Wallace has dropped to them, the take him with open arms to replace Boldin.
17. WAS - Haasan ReddickThey pick the next LB
okay lunch is running out the rest are not explained or labeled by team
18. adoree jackson cb/kr
19 Corey Davis wr
20. Cam Robinson ot
21. J.J Watt's brother
22. Dalvin Cook
23. Jarrad Davis lb
24 Zach Cunningham LB
25. Pat mahommes cause these guys are fucking retarded.
26. Garrett Bolles OT WEEHAH
27. Forrest Lamp g/c
28 that taco guy
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Tennessee didn't trade up for Locker though.. That was just their selection. Same with Ponder.
Tannehill was the same. Although I was ALWAYS shocked that Tannehill was ever considered a top 8 pick considering he was a WR in college. Also I'm not sure he belongs on this list. He's far and away better than all of these guys.
Buffalo actually traded DOWN to get EJ Manuel.
Blake Bortles was just a regular pick as well.
Gabbert is the only one of those that's even close to the level of bad this year has been(and let's keep in mind Watt then wasn't nearly looked at then as he is today, he was the 5TH!!! defensive player taken in that draft and the 2nd d-linemen).
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This is like the Sanchez trade...3 times. In the span of an hour. The context hasn't yet been determined because we don't have the results of each of these guy's career yet or the guy's who the trade yielded yet but it seems bad. The Sanchez trade looks bad, but Cleveland only got Alex Mack and a bunch of scrubs while also passing on Jeremy Maclin.
The Trubisky thing is most immediately bad cause it's 2 3rds and a 4th for essentially nothing(they moved up 1 spot to get a guy they PROBABLY could of got at 3 as long as someone else wasn't trying to trade ahead of them). Mahomes II is a 1st rounder next year for a guy who's a project(and if the corner works out, Mahomes doesn't, and Chiefs suck next year, it's gonna look real bad as soon as next year). Deshaun Watson is MORE WILD. Cause all of this is part of the haul they are getting from the Carson Wentz trade from last year and already includes Cody Kessler, Corey Coleman, Jabrill Peppers, and David Njoku and a first round pick for next year from a team that could realistically suck. I know it's unfair but this is a really REALLY bad spot for Watson where he could immediately be seen as a franchise killer if he doesn't come in from day 1 and win games, more than Mitch and WAAAAY more than Mahomes.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I don't know if loaded is the word I'd use. PEG definitely could fill you in better than I can, but I don't buy into USC QBs as a guy who lives in southern california and is forced to watch Trojan football. Rosen is the real deal tho imo. I don't know enough about the wyoming guy, but wyoming and he feels very Blake Bortles to me at this point(big arm, big guy, has "bad decision making", no one commenting on his footwork or release, small school). I'm pretty sure Rudolph and Falk are both Air Raid/no huddle spread guys. Lamar Jackson is being compared to Vick and Cunningham on NFL.com, but there are also a lot of comparisons to Dennis Dixon. Also, guys with his build and skill set have not fared well recently(Teddy B, RG3).
I keep hearing about the Auburn kid, but I don't know enough about him and a really can't find anything beside a highlight reel.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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10. 10 is fine. 10 is STANDARD. 12 is a crowd. I'd man, I don't like having to be up at 5am on wedsendays after waivers ends to catch things. I like doing it at my leisure. 12 is crowded and is a chore to research that deep. Let's use QB's as an example. Somewhere between 12-24 qbs are going to be on rosters the entire year, depending on how many people stock a back up (normally it's about 7or 8 people) if you have to go to the wire on a qb. You're basically streaming a bunch of bottom league shittos, and best case you are a qb roster filler, but have one less back up for the other spots that are extra deep.
Rb takes it even further. There are 32 starters, with a handful of guys in split backfields. 12 teams x 2 starters is 24, add the 2 backups or so per team, you're wrestling with 12 dudes that need 48 guys with only 32 spots of getting a guy who's a starter.
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