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@mod are we allowed to say that we're not a role that we are?
P-edit: I'm fine with a no-lynch, but I would feel uncomfortable if my vote wasn't onsomeonern.
P-p-edit: I thought he just asked if you wanted one, I don't know if he was offering.-
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In post 29, Enter wrote:@mod are we allowed to say that we're not a role that we are?
P-edit: I'm fine with a no-lynch, but I would feel uncomfortable if my vote wasn't onsomeonern.
P-p-edit: I thought he just asked if you wanted one, I don't know if he was offering.:/
P-edit: i was kinda joking srry. should have been more obvious
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if we tell the townie that if they out we will side with them to kill the cultist, it's not playing against wincon for town to outIn post 38, Korina wrote:I’m just gonna try to figure out who’s cult and try to aid them as much as possible tbh
If the townie wants to out, so we can end this sooner and get everyone to win, that’d also be cool.
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I literally claimed survivor.
Read my sig.
“#CultIsBestFaction” “#CultIsntBastard” “#MoreCultGames”
Hm, I wonder if I like cults, and/or would defaultly side with them as survivor???
then we lynch korina, cultist cults the town, and everyone wins
@FA I agree. Still think we should lynch fb today and then whoever tomorrow as long as the game isn't over after n1-
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i don't think cultist really has any losses for outing as cultist. Who's gonna lynch them? the only person who realy stands to lose here is townie, I think.In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
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In post 42, Enter wrote:
if we tell the townie that if they out we will side with them to kill the cultist, it's not playing against wincon for town to outIn post 38, Korina wrote:I’m just gonna try to figure out who’s cult and try to aid them as much as possible tbh
If the townie wants to out, so we can end this sooner and get everyone to win, that’d also be cool.
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I literally claimed survivor.
Read my sig.
“#CultIsBestFaction” “#CultIsntBastard” “#MoreCultGames”
Hm, I wonder if I like cults, and/or would defaultly side with them as survivor???
then we lynch korina, cultist cults the town, and everyone wins
@FA I agree. Still think we should lynch fb today and then whoever tomorrow as long as the game isn't over after n1
My b. I meant everyone except you.In post 46, Korina wrote:If I die, I literally lose the game.
That’s how surv works: You live till the end, you win.
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yeah i didn't really mean that, i just wanna lynch firebringerIn post 51, JunkoChan wrote:
how firebringer flip determines korina's role? makes no sense, we are all factionless for todayIn post 37, Enter wrote:@jc: vote fb and then based on his flip we can determin korina's role.
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In post 54, Korina wrote:agree with fb: Enter probably isn’t surv.
VOTE: enter
Junko is probably surv townsiding thoughIn post 55, Enter wrote:
yeah i didn't really mean that, i just wanna lynch firebringerIn post 51, JunkoChan wrote:
how firebringer flip determines korina's role? makes no sense, we are all factionless for todayIn post 37, Enter wrote:@jc: vote fb and then based on his flip we can determin korina's role.
@korina naw i agree w/ fa jc is prolly town.
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definitely not, survivor is boringIn post 52, Firebringer wrote:enter is probably not a survivor.-
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You listed thre people and only managed to get one survivor.In post 58, Firebringer wrote:I have a better idea for this game:
lets just form an alliance pack that won't lynch each other and we win together (assuming both the townie and cult don't both get in the pack)
korina, frozen angel, and junko. I want you in my alliance pack.
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I won'tIn post 61, Korina wrote:Also, post 50 is literally “I’m wanting to lynch you for cultsiding as surv”
That means he’s either townsiding surv or townie.
Regardless, if he lives today, cult should recruit him imo.
I’m willing to lynch Junko or Enter today.
I will not lynch FA today.
Pedit: Alright, I’m not moving from Enter today. Unless he’s cult trying to cultsignal to me by going against me, I doubt he’ll flip cult.
Ppedit: I’m fine with that, assuming cult gets junko and we hang Enter.
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Me. Lying about me is the easiest. I don't know other people's roles so it's fun trying to find outIn post 62, Firebringer wrote:
but u just said ur not survivor.In post 59, Enter wrote:
You listed thre people and only managed to get one survivor.In post 58, Firebringer wrote:I have a better idea for this game:
lets just form an alliance pack that won't lynch each other and we win together (assuming both the townie and cult don't both get in the pack)
korina, frozen angel, and junko. I want you in my alliance pack.
LEts do that.
soooooo....
which one u lying about bro?
i know my role so it's fun trying to make you guess
i lie about what i do know for sure
and try to tell the truth about what i know a lot less about
that way i can learn things when i get things wrong
and i never say something wrong intentionally that i could learn something new on
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In post 76, Firebringer wrote:I don't really believe enter is survivor at all but I also don't really want to do a lynch today.
just lynch we already know who town is, game will be so fast-
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i tried to give it to you before but you wouldn't take it.In post 80, Firebringer wrote:hey I want the attention, give it back.
i can try again?
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So at first i was like :survivor wincon is dumb and the hardest one for me as a person to achieve:
but the more i thought about it the more i thought: no, survivor wincon makes sense because you want the game to end fast that way you increase chances of survival, therefore it is pro-survivor wincon to get either cult or town lynched d1 because then game ends, no one is converted, and no one else dies
=> lynch d1 is pro survivor wincon as is finding town and cultist so they can complete their wincons and end the game.
Would like to hear your thoughts on this, FB
In post 95, Frozen Angel wrote:Enter can you explain why you want fb dead?
Just RVS things...
I actually think FB is survivor based on the fact that he seems super serious this game, and he's usually p jokey as town.
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I think FA is prolly our town, I've got reasons coming up in a sec.
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seems made to look survivor-y, feels kinda fakeIn post 35, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm still trying to figure out how much I should take this game seriously!
Several people agreed with me that junko felt town after that post, but FA is the only person to not consider it, prolly cuz she's town herself. (or maybe cultist trying to hide the fact that she knows no one else is cultist? I like the town explanation better, though)In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
In post 41, Frozen Angel wrote:more reads:
korina is either a survivor or cult
Enter and FB look survivor-y
first person to drop reads, and especially after the first post I quoted about taking game seriously makes the first post feel super fake.
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This may answer your question:In post 107, JunkoChan wrote:
Wanna read those reasons but your current theory is not consistentIn post 101, Enter wrote:So at first i was like :survivor wincon is dumb and the hardest one for me as a person to achieve:
but the more i thought about it the more i thought: no, survivor wincon makes sense because you want the game to end fast that way you increase chances of survival, therefore it is pro-survivor wincon to get either cult or town lynched d1 because then game ends, no one is converted, and no one else dies
=> lynch d1 is pro survivor wincon as is finding town and cultist so they can complete their wincons and end the game.
Would like to hear your thoughts on this, FB
In post 95, Frozen Angel wrote:Enter can you explain why you want fb dead?
Just RVS things...
I actually think FB is survivor based on the fact that he seems super serious this game, and he's usually p jokey as town.
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I think FA is prolly our town, I've got reasons coming up in a sec.
JC is prolly cultist. Reasons on that in same post as FA. Prolly. Or maybe not
let's summary this:
According to you
A.Hasting to end days is survivor's strat for early game. I can actually agree with this and is my general gameplan, not siding with own or cultist cus for today lynching any of them wins me the game
B. FB is super serious this game. Yeah gif posting hugs is a beautiful strat, can't blame him tho I'm trying to play it light hearted
C.Junko is prolly cultist!. What? I'm playig the most survory accordingto your own logic
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i don't think cultist really has any losses for outing as cultist. Who's gonna lynch them? the only person who realy stands to lose here is townie, I think.In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
Makes me lean more towards reading anyone that i don't read as survivor as town, particularly becuase the cultist doesn't really care as long as their not being lynched anyways, so they're prolly just a survivor.-
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about 1: yeah it also doesn't matter if she's town or cult if you're the other one cuz then you know by poeIn post 108, Frozen Angel wrote:in response to enter post
1. OK I need to explain the second part. as you can see all my reads are survivory or not survivory. Thats because to a survivor, our wincondition is end the game faster and to not die to a lynch - I don't care if junko is town or cult. That post felt non-survivor-y.
2. A town or a cult would try to get the other one lynched. a survivor wants them to find each other or to get one lynched.
3. I also still really don't know how much I should take this siriously. This is basically more of a popularity contest rn.
4. about me giving reads - yeah I did that! I still want to see the towny claim so we can all win and end this happily.
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cultist will play like a survivorIn post 48, Enter wrote:
i don't think cultist really has any losses for outing as cultist. Who's gonna lynch them? the only person who realy stands to lose here is townie, I think.In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
Makes me lean more towards reading anyone that i don't read as survivor as town, particularly becuase the cultist doesn't really care as long as their not being lynched anyways, so they're prolly just a survivor.
3. a popularity contest it is and there are some p popular people here
4. suuuurrreee you do
That was about JCIn post 109, Frozen Angel wrote:
This is true! I just want to end the game tonight if its possible.In post 105, Enter wrote:she wants fast lynch & she was early to take game seriously-
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ALSO
the post was:
Not:In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
I don't think Junko is a survivor.-
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Bet:In post 115, Frozen Angel wrote:
so why are you putting me in your "town or cult" theory when you just accepted what I said about survivors pov with that "yeah" in start when you're saying its something that you could see from all 3 alignments?In post 113, Enter wrote:about 1: yeah it also doesn't matter if she's town or cult if you're the other one cuz then you know by poe
2. I didn't say how a cult would want to appear in game! the cult want the town out of the picture though!
3. yeap
4. I really do. claim town if you are and I will unvote you ^^
5. Idc. "I really just want to end the game tonight if its possible!"
"claims town"
P-edit:
turns out wording matters.
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that's against your wincon thoIn post 119, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm really not a town or I would claim to get culted.
idkIn post 121, Frozen Angel wrote:where did everyone go >.>-
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i agree with you on all points except.....In post 123, Frozen Angel wrote:
It's so not. idk what is the exact wording of town wincon in this game but if you're considered as a lynch target claiming town will save your ass from loosing the game so the actual cult might get lynched or you will get culted overnight. thats so not against wincon. not even against the immidiate wincon if you don't consider a culted person winning in same way.In post 122, Enter wrote:that's against your wincon tho
saying that you're doing it to get culted makes it against the specific wincon that you have, because it is you intentionally trying to lose, kind of.
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noIn post 126, JunkoChan wrote:@Enter so you are calling me cultist cuz Frozen Angel calls me cultist?
agreed. it's a hard knock life.wut?
btw really thinking hard on this setup the hardest wincon has to be for the townie he has to:
A.Avoid getting lynched
B.Avoid getting culted
C.Survive til the end of the game
hard live.
unless I'm missing something, this game could end with either cultist lynch or town lynch today or cultist culting town on any night-
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So bare minimum survivor wincon met =
Either narrow down town to two people, lynch one, cult the other
Or find cult d1 and lynch it, because if we don't lynch cult d1 and cult doesn't get town, game gets harder for survivors d2.
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jc is the weaker of my two reads => voting for icicle girl
p-edit: i'm not saying town is TRYING to play like town, i'm saying town wants to play like survivor but is gonna turn out playing like town cuz they wanna find the one cultist and lynch. Cultist won't play this way necessarily cuz they don't need a lynch to win.
Also i don't know you p much at all. also didn't you just say that town is trying to play as survivor but als you're saying you'd claim town as town, which is a pretty towny thing to do? explain
p-p-edit: yeah i've got it too i've learned to just ignore it it's fine but also you're playing to your meta cuz you're answering your accusations. just take a break and come abck and when you come back it will be easier. works for me sometimes.-
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I don't think it looks v culty. Cultist wants people to cult side cuz then it muddies the waters for townies to find cultists.In post 136, Frozen Angel wrote:before I sleep I have a few questions about your theory about me
- you saying that no cult leader would say
"cult siding
ezlynch"
why? I agree its not survivory but that looks more culty than towny
- you saying I'm towny so junko is culty and you're also saying I'm towny cause junko was not culty and as I would only say that junko is culty as a town?
- your claim: "junko was not culty and as I would only say that junko is a cult or town as a town" why?! how are you relating those sentences?
Jc is the weaker of my two -not survivor reads. TBH i read you as town and jc as not survivor. If I had to read JC it would be town, but tha conflicts with my assertion taht you're town, so JC is cult. If i had to lynch one of you two today, though, i'd rather lynch you, cuz my read on you is stronger. I think.-
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I don't particularly care which of you is town and which is cult cuz as long as we flip one of you today and you flip not-survivor, I win, so it determining between town and cult today doesn't really matter, unless someone flips survivor d1, cultist fails to cult town, and all of a sudden d2 it really matters who's towna nd who's cult cuz then we can try to figure out who got culted. But I'm not too worried about d2 when half the game hasn't even really posted yet.
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inb4 bastard gameIn post 140, Firebringer wrote:you know vonflare never actually gave me a win con.
could he be making up alternative win cons just to troll us?
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You're asking me questions about your rephrasing of my words, except your "rephrasing" is just taking my words and twisting them so many times over that even I can't even discern what you seem to think I'm trying to get at. I'm trying to answer you directly but I honestly can't really understand where you're trying to come from.In post 142, Frozen Angel wrote:saying something is "cult siding" and thats an "ezlynch" is the normal way a cult leader would act to "bend in". it obviously sounds not survivory but it felt its either culty or towny. I even think that is more likely a culty thing than a towny thing.
You're saying you think junko is cult cause you think junko is not survivor and you're sure I'm town cause I though junko can be cult. Your whole logic is bullshit and your accusation is made on the tower of loopholes.
your read on me is shit and it makes me think you're making this whole thing up since you didn't answer the rest of stuff I asked. I don't know why you can't see the cult possibility in what junko siad or how me not having that view makes you think I'm "town".
I honestly think you're just struggling cause you're loosing the game with one more vote and you don't even beleive in what you're saying.
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What is so difficult to understand about my argument against you? Stop misrepresenting me.
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In post 146, Invisibility wrote:just kidding i am gonna read six pages but we should no lynch
after you finish reading the six pages maybe you wanna vote someone cuz "no lynch" is not playing to survivor wincon?In post 145, Invisibility wrote:im not reading six pages when we always win
VOTE: no lynch
do this every day until cult hits townie or cult gets majority
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In post 149, Invisibility wrote:no it is
The longer the game goes on, the more likely you are to get culted => you should want to end game early to increase chances of survival => you should push for non-survivor lynch d1In post 150, Invisibility wrote:i win with the cult or the town, not sure about u tho
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so then vote for FAIn post 160, Invisibility wrote:indeed-
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In post 159, Korina wrote:No, survivor wincon is to live till the end.
Doesn’t matter who the hell wins the game. A fucking jester could win the game, and as long as the survivor is alive at the end, they win.
It’d be pro-surv to try to assisst the cult (or town) to win the game because that meansthe game ends soonerIn post 162, Korina wrote:I think Enter is confused surv or town trying to look surv.
Regardless, can we please hammer him?In post 163, Invisibility wrote:enter you're acting like survivor is a group faction. its not. this isnt a regular game with a cult thrown in the madness. in this set up, survivors must take into account being culted because they are not currently in a group.
someday i might meet a more contradictory person. it will probably be a long time before that happens though, and the chances are pretty low that it does.In post 165, Korina wrote:FA is also surv or cult to me.
I’m not gonna support their lynch regardless.
it's almost like.... wording matters.In post 166, Korina wrote:
Also wtlf is this post?In post 114, Enter wrote:ALSO
the post was:
Not:In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:That was not a survivor post. I think Junko is either the cult leader or the townie.
I don't think Junko is a survivor.
“Junko is either cult or town”
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the invis quote in that first stack doesn't belong there. it belongs here. My response is: No, i'm not thinking of survivors as a group faction.
I will try to explain this as simply as possible:
Invis: If you become culted, you lose as a survivor. Getting culted = failed survivor wincon. Being dead or culted = not winning as a survivor.
When you become culted you another wincon and things get messier. Town could turn and start lynching cultists because the other survivors decide to start lynching. In order to stop this you should find town as early as possible to achieve a victory. It's almost like cultist wincon is similar to survivor wincon-
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In post 171, Annadog40 wrote:
What insentive would the survivors have for siding with the one town as apposed to the two cult? The greater numbers would achieve a more likely victory as survivor. That is if cult can recruit survivors.Enter wrote:the invis quote in that first stack doesn't belong there. it belongs here. My response is: No, i'm not thinking of survivors as a group faction.
I will try to explain this as simply as possible:
Invis: If you become culted, you lose as a survivor. Getting culted = failed survivor wincon. Being dead or culted = not winning as a survivor.
When you become culted you another wincon and things get messier. Town could turn and start lynching cultists because the other survivors decide to start lynching. In order to stop this you should find town as early as possible to achieve a victory. It's almost like cultist wincon is similar to survivor wincon
Oh and enter is at l-2, junko's post got me confused.
Lynching a survivor today would put the one town at a greater disadvantage since cult would have a greater plurality. I think the best bet for survivor and cult if cult can recruit survivor is for erasure to be lynched unless he is the cultist.
Eraser, are you the cult? If not than survivor and cult has no incentive not to lynch you.
wait does cult not win when town is dead? if not then i was mistaken in my previous approac to game and it's more important to find and murder cult, because town can't do anything to survivors at night. unless cult can't recruit survivors and then i guess it doesn't amtter-
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p sure youre not survivor anymore once you get culted, correct me if i'm wrongIn post 173, JunkoChan wrote:@enter This comes directly from the mafiascum wiki: A Survivor is a lone player whose goal is to live until any other faction achieves their Win Condition, be it Town or scum. If the Survivor dies, it loses.
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i didn't say it was bad, i said you're contradicting yourself:In post 176, Korina wrote:@Enter, I am trying to win. I think you’re town-aligned. I’m surv. If I lynch you and you’re town, I win! If you’re cult, I still win! If you’re survivor, oh well. I get a chance at being recruited into cult.
There is not a situation where lynching you is bad for me.
Fa is scum or surv, I don't care, i dont' want to lynch her
Enter is town or surv, i don't care, i want to lynch him
that's not playing to a wincon, that's being dumb. whether or not you can find some ambiguous reason to justify your dislike of me is not important because it's quite apparent why you're voting me and and I"m saying you're dumb for it.
p-edit: not being survivor fails survivor wincon i feel like. maybe that's just my interpertation, but it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It's metagaming to think that if you cult you win as cult, because hten you're thinking outsiide the game, not in the game as a survivor-
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This isn't even a reason to vote me, this is an attempt at justification for your very personal and outside-the- game vendetta and it's disgusting. Stop trying to dress it up and play the game.In post 176, Korina wrote:@Enter, I am trying to win. I think you’re town-aligned. I’m surv. If I lynch you and you’re town, I win! If you’re cult, I still win! If you’re survivor, oh well. I get a chance at being recruited into cult.
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eh. the whole cultsiding thing is dumb but at least it's not a personal thing. there's fewer bubbles in my blood nowIn post 193, Korina wrote:
I've already said that I'm cultsiding. That means that I am gonna help cult regardless. I believe FA is either cult or survivor. I'm honestly leaning a bit more towards cult. Because of what I said about cultsiding, wouldn't that mean that even if FA is surv, I'd wanna stop their lynch at all costs because I believe they're cult?In post 185, Enter wrote:
i didn't say it was bad, i said you're contradicting yourself:In post 176, Korina wrote:@Enter, I am trying to win. I think you’re town-aligned. I’m surv. If I lynch you and you’re town, I win! If you’re cult, I still win! If you’re survivor, oh well. I get a chance at being recruited into cult.
There is not a situation where lynching you is bad for me.
Fa is scum or surv, I don't care, i dont' want to lynch her
Enter is town or surv, i don't care, i want to lynch him
that's not playing to a wincon, that's being dumb. whether or not you can find some ambiguous reason to justify your dislike of me is not important because it's quite apparent why you're voting me and and I"m saying you're dumb for it.
p-edit: not being survivor fails survivor wincon i feel like. maybe that's just my interpertation, but it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It's metagaming to think that if you cult you win as cult, because hten you're thinking outsiide the game, not in the game as a survivor
As for you, I believe you're either genuinely confused surv or town. If you're confused surv, that's good for me that you get lynched! It means that I didn't die and I live another night. If you're town, that's even better because that means the game is actually over and I win! I met my wincon of live to see the end of the game, and cult won which is better as well.
Additionally, if you become Cult, you are now Cult Aligned. You are no longer a survivor, you are a Cultist. Your wincon is then "kill all who'd oppose the cult" (or whatever it actually is), not "live till the end of the game".
Pedit: I said I'm cultsiding, FA is either Cult or Surv to me, and because I believe they could be cult, I'm not supporting their lynch at all.
Yes, as surv, it really doesn't matter between FA/Enter, but I think FA is cult, and I want cult to win.
i'm not going to get into it with you about how going cultsiding isn't playing to your wincon to the best of your ability because i'm certain you already know
as far as survivor becoming cultist = playing to wincon - that's meta-gaming, and i don't know the rules on that but i prefer to play to survivor. if it's actually ok to play with the hope of getting culted, sobeit. i guess that's up to mod to decide. I think it's dumb and it makes the game v boring, but to each his own as long as it doesn't break the rules i guess-
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Eh I wasn't treating it like a troll game i just expected the others to follow. it's been a long time sinc ei've played and i was kinda hoping to get into a real game. prolly shouldn't have expected as much out of this one as i did, i felt like i spent the whole time trying to convince people to play more than i was getting to actually play. oh wellIn post 211, Firebringer wrote:
ur playing in a troll game my friend, what u expecting?In post 202, Enter wrote:wow. it sucks to lose in a game hwere it feels like only two people are trying, lol
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