Micro 801: 2 Mafia, 1 Vigilante, 6 Townies (Game Over)

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Invisibility

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

because I am scums >:[

[northsidegal]

i mean, if you want some obvtown / lamist early game planning, i think if anyone is going to suggest a "vote on who to vig" thing, it'd be a bad idea.

[northsidegal]

nsg definitely vig playing it low profile

scumslip, knows i'm town

VOTE: the worst

[northsidegal]

i think we should vote on who to vig

explain why?

[northsidegal]

Sup VOTE: NSG

random?

also, i agree with RC.

[northsidegal]

[quote="In post 23, RadiantCowbells"][/quote]

[northsidegal]

I would expect to have a read so far but I feel like she's intentionally being minimalist

i mean, as a strategy that would really only last me so long.

cheeky, still want to know if your vote was random or not.

[northsidegal]

what motivation would i have as anything other than scum to be intentionally minimalist?

[northsidegal]

cheeky, still want to know if your vote was random or not.

Well it is RVS. Was your vote srs?

meh, just wondering. it's probably less relevant than i was thinking it was. no, my vote's not serious.

feeling like being intentionally minimalist.

would you like me to scumread you?

that'd be a strange feeling.

no, not particularly.

[northsidegal]

i don't think anyone is so scared of me that they wouldn't open by voting me as scum

Lol I think people are scared of voting you regardless of alignment.

i would hardbus RC if we were scum

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Hiraki

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Hiraki

Third switch in 3 pages?

what do you make of it? i didn't feel like anyone that was around was worth voting.

If NSG continues doing what she's doing I assume that she's scum trying to avoid letting people read her
Cheeky leaning town on

VOTE: Invisibility

whatever it is you think i'm doing intentionally, i assure you i'm not.

how recent would you say your image of how i play is?

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{ceejayvinoya, GuiltyLion}
{shaddowez, RadiantCowbells, the worst}
{CheekyTeeky, Invisibility, Hiraki}

[northsidegal]

what do you make of it? i didn't feel like anyone that was around was worth voting.

I only quoted my vote because it was the closest.

I don't take anything good from it. It just means that you're playing around - nothing terrible but nothing good either.

"playing around"? what's your expectation for this stage of the game, and how does my play differ from that expectation?

how does that compare to other people's votes and why you brought mine up specifically?

[northsidegal]

I would describe your play of late as trying to replace someone who wasn't here for a few months.

I would claim to be up to date but I no longer have read 100% of your games

not sure i really get the first line, but alright.

[northsidegal]

Because I think the vig is likely going to not shoot the thread consensus target and out themselves.

there's this, there's also that it removes the outside chance that the vig and scum shoot the same person, there's also that it could reveal the vig if the most voted person isn't vigged. there's some confusion / WIFOM involved if the top "vig-wagon" isn't shot as to whether it's someone going for hero vig or whether the person voted was the vig, but overall i still think it hurts more than it helps.

[northsidegal]

I have something to say to RC that I'm going to wait for a while to say.

[northsidegal]

Shaddowez seems townie.

VOTE: Invisibility

RC do you think you've done enough for someone to gut TR you?

Pedit is it day vig? Lol depends who's reads they're vigging off.

Pedit GL seems good so far.

???
How is this an appropriate response


@nsg you do realize I'm just messing with you right

I'm also not referring to anything ongoing

I think stylistically you make posts frequently that remind me of me

Whatever you think it is that i'm waiting to say, you're wrong.

Plus, i have no problem being compared to you

[northsidegal]

Yes, that's what I'm asking. Knowing CFJ I think there's likely a point to the set-up being the way it is. Could just be another layer to read into as people use their extensions.

All of CFJ's micros have this sort of system. It's pretty interesting, i think. Nothing specific to this setup, though.

{nsg}
{ceejayvinoya, GuiltyLion}
{shaddowez, RadiantCowbells, the worst}
{CheekyTeeky, Invisibility, Hiraki}

Why is ceejayvinoya so high? I feel like you're being conf biased and have too much mislynch bait in your scum pool

you could call it a "soul read", or maybe just a personality read.

[northsidegal]

i believe i understand his personality such that he put himself above others with his first few posts in terms of likelihood of being town.

[northsidegal]

This is a really strange post imo

cheeky's right, i get it.

It makes sense to NSG for *reasons*

Also I've never seen NSG make a readslist, let alone this early.

what?

like, really?

[northsidegal]

like, really?

Yeah, the confidence you're showing in your reads this early is alien to me. Have you done this in other games?

i don't think i've been showing any more confidence than usual. a readslist like that is just an ordered list, not necessarily an absolute list. it's relative.

Spoiler: my last few towngames, among the first posts in my iso

alright, i'm about 5 pages into the game, trying to go in-depth in this one because it seems like a pretty high-level newbie game from what i've seen so far. readslist as of page 5 is this:

{ruru, ofrhz}
{westen, Scioness Sajj, skitter30, Drixx}
{Oxy, eth0s}

don't consider the bottom to be "very strong scumreads" or vice versa for the top, it's just an ordered list.

i can elaborate on this if anyone cares but i don't think it's all that productive to go hugely into the reasons when it's still liable to change as i keep reading through. just feel like i should actually be providing content.

going ranger-style. don't necessarily read it as town to scum with null in the dead middle, it's just ordered.

{nsg}
{Creature}
{mutantdevle, TheGoldenParadox}
{JaydragonKing}
{Mathdino, Gamma Emerald}
{jmo16mla, Almost50, Luca Blight}
{Aneninen, Pinturicchio}

(btw this one was really accurate except for the one scum i misread based off playstyle, bottom row is both scum)

by the way, readslist before really catching up on the day (despite what i said half an hour ago)
{nsg, osuka}
{mohab}
{cheetory, elf}
{ico, guilty}

[northsidegal]

I think townreading GL right now is intellectually lazy

would you say the same thing about yourself?

[northsidegal]

thanks, keychain

[northsidegal]

Do you think someone whose posts you don't remember at all is less likely to be scum than someone whose posts you find null?

[northsidegal]

Also, hiraki, if you're pointing out some kind of contradiction in the beginning of that post there, i'm not really seeing what you're saying.

[northsidegal]

Do you think someone whose posts you don't remember at all is less likely to be scum than someone whose posts you find null?

Not really. Just means they haven't said anything interesting.

I'm just wondering why you don't get how nonmemorable posts could be a reason to scumread someone - it seems perfectly legitimate as a reason to me.

[northsidegal]

i don't think deadlines are actually that much shorter than normal given our extensions, it's just the psychological effect of seeing it be so close to 0.

i really like it.

[northsidegal]

@Shaddowez

thoughts?

???

[northsidegal]

yeah but i mean

do you have some reason to believe that he's online and not commenting on things

because otherwise i don't think you posting that is going to in some way cosmically influence him into coming here any sooner. just don't understand why you said it.

[northsidegal]

doing fine.

[northsidegal]

Uhhh

There's a reason for it but don't ask

hihi nsg how are you

btw i find this kind of hard to believe simply because i don't see what the reasons could be but perhaps i'm wrong on that

[northsidegal]

are you townreading me?

on MU when you @Name people it sends them a notification

should i be?

[northsidegal]

RC's meta is that he is widely regarded as the best scum player in MS history?

[northsidegal]

don't really have any solid reads on any of them, gun to my head i'd call TW town

[northsidegal]

actually gun to my head i call all of them town

[northsidegal]

I agree with gl

[northsidegal]

On not lynching shadow before he gets here

[northsidegal]

Cuz like

If he is scum

That heavily points to you fmpov

Me?

[northsidegal]

I actually think invisibility is scum, more elaboration probably later

VOTE: invisibility

[northsidegal]

Invisibility, random question: what are you doing right now? Like, real life

[northsidegal]

No we're winning this before D2

Invis isn't a viable shot

I think invisibility's hedging on his reads is a scumtell and that when he enters the thread he's not actually making an effort to sort people. Scum mindset.

[northsidegal]

Mmm

You can have him as D2 lynch if GL Fumuki doesn't end the game

Deal?

No?

[northsidegal]

can you describe why you think GL and fumuki are scum?

[northsidegal]

oh yeah, fumuki because of the cheeky replace out, right?

[northsidegal]

on review i guess the only thing that might've pinged me would be his initial read on you before i mentioned your scum meta.

i don't really get a scum vibe from him.

[northsidegal]

i do
VOTE: Fumuki

so what changed from 414?

[northsidegal]

cheeky's replace out is strange but i really don't necessarily think it's scum indicative.

[northsidegal]

i think fumuki's plan of how he wanted to use the deadline extensions was real, i think him expecting GL to defend him is something that probably comes from town? i don't expect it to come from scum!fumuki specifically, at the least.

[northsidegal]

What if he's scum with GL

i don't think he's scum in the first place.

[northsidegal]

what if greenliquid is scum with GL?

[northsidegal]

I do find it strange how GL's first post after coming back into the thread is in response to that one and not in response to anything else since his last post.

[northsidegal]

like if my goal was to bus I wouldn't back down as soon as it starts to look likely

i don't think any scum would bus their partner to a lynch day one in this setup. besides bussing day one in micros being exceptionally infrequent, with a vig specifically you can't necessarily rely on consensus townreads to keep you alive to endgame when one player specifically with a scumread on you could end the game for you.

[northsidegal]

RC can you describe to me why you think GL is scum outside of being partnered with fumuki?

[northsidegal]

shaddowez

(3): Hiraki, the worst, GuiltyLion

Fumuki

(2): ceejayvinoya, Invisibility

the worst

(1): shaddowez

GuiltyLion

(1): RadiantCowbells

Invisibility

(2): northsidegal, Fumuki

Not voting

:

Nobody

[northsidegal]

Oh look GL told Fumuki that pushing on me is a bad idea and the best play is to keep his distance and let a mislynch go through while minimizing the conflict and just nightkill me. Wow it's like I've never seen this before.

scum don't have daytalk.

[northsidegal]

thanks, i guess.

[northsidegal]

when's your bday nsg?

december

[northsidegal]

oh yeah, that thing i wanted to ask was why you were so strongly townreading Hiraki, RC.

wanted to wait and see how he played naturally without any pressure on him though.

[northsidegal]

oh bye

scumclaim?

[northsidegal]

-

[northsidegal]

is that based off of individuals on the wagon or just the composition in general?

[northsidegal]

Hm

[northsidegal]

Happy birthday GL!

[northsidegal]

Fumuki is the obvious partner, wondering if it might be bait, though.

[northsidegal]

"Lurker".

[northsidegal]

Read mini normal 2005

[northsidegal]

Wonder if I'll hit 5000 posts today.

[northsidegal]

Nsg was the invisibility wagon.

Do you think it's fair to blame me for how the day ended yesterday?

[northsidegal]

lol.

[northsidegal]

If you were trying to get a rise out of me, it's not going to happen.

I think the best play right now is to see what the still questionable slots do coming back into the thread. That means waiting.

[northsidegal]

RC, you realize that there's a lot i've been thinking that i can't say about fumuki given that i'm the mod of a game he was in, right? (a game that's still ongoing and where his slot is still alive)

[northsidegal]

RC, you realize that there's a lot i've been thinking that i can't say about fumuki given that i'm the mod of a game he was in, right? (a game that's still ongoing and where his slot is still alive)

Ok. Forget the why, what is your read on him and how convinced are you of that read?

i mean, it's largely a matter of PoE.

i didn't think his play yesterday was actually as scum indicative as you called it, but his play today i feel is more likely to come from scum.

there are certain partner tells in Fumuki's ISO with shaddow that in general seem like pretty strong partner tells but for Fumuki specifically i'm much less confident.

[northsidegal]

NSG are you sure you're not me

I'm reading your ISO again and I'm getting the distinct impression that I'm reading my own ISO at points.

i don't know what it feels like, but if i had to guess what being RC felt like, i would say that recently i've been feeling that way.

[northsidegal]

fumuki feels slightly disengaged / uninterested in this game in a way that i feel makes him more likely to be scum.

he even joined saying that it was for the playerlist, but i just don't get the sense that he's all that engaged.

[northsidegal]

And in the interests of honesty yeah I was trying to provoke a reaction earlier to try to get you to engage with this game
I'm not a fan of your current minimalist playstyle and I would prefer you engage me more both so that I can read you better and so that we can get somewhere in terms of our mutual reads
I don't think that whatever playing your cards close to the chest thing that you're doing here is improving your play. I will push you for it in future games.

like i said, i have incredibly little that i feel comfortable in saying given what's going on.

[northsidegal]

Rc

nsg and ceej are all pretty confidently town right?

Hmm..for me nop but anyway...

Day 3 lynch RC and Night 3 vig the lovely duckling I guess...

where is your duck read coming from?

[northsidegal]

isn't it better to lynch fumuki given that we know basically for sure that he's not the vig?

[northsidegal]

huh

[northsidegal]

haha.

[northsidegal]

gl please forgive

at least we got him a scum lynch as a birthday present

[northsidegal]

so now that we know fumuki isn't twilight trolling i can actually claim credit for the vig shots, right

[northsidegal]

or shot singular, i suppose

[northsidegal]

(i'm giving the worst better vig cover rc)

[northsidegal]

fumuki, i seem to recall you saying that you looked through my meta a bit

which games did you look at, if you remember? just kind of interested, i went through a lot of old games too when i first joined the site.

[northsidegal]

i was really paranoiareading hiraki. still not sure what everyone saw to locktown him there.

[northsidegal]

i'm 3 vig shots out of 4 hitting scum so far :>

[northsidegal]

which is also why I said the worst was locktown because his "that hammer has no pro-town equity" post or whatever told me that scum!TW probably would have assumed RC was more likely to be the vig too.

i need to get myself into making these GL-style townreads more often and more intuitively. i remember you making a townread through a similar process in killer in the penthouse.