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^yeah, this^In post 27, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: ManateeDude
for hopping off a promising L-2 wagon and keeping us in RVS longer
manatee calling for the wagon and then lol-kicking-off-the-wheels once he gets it is a little gross
33 rly rubs me the wrong way but idon't rly know why... i guess it feels a tinge buddyish and i think it's weird mafmen piggybacks on guiltylion's subjective p1 gut townreads but ignores the real meat of guiltylion's early posts (the manatee vote).The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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for oath and guilty...? first impression of oath's p2 posting is newbtown to me. she feels engaged and looking for reasoning without laying on the I SEEK THE REASONS OF TRUTH thing so much it feels artificial.In post 38, ManateeDude wrote:
Could you explain your reasoning?In post 36, Antihero wrote:okay...
i like oath and guilty lion so far
mafmen and manatee... not so much
VOTE: mafmen
from guilty's vote, i like where his head's at. it also kind of sort of flows from my mafmen scumread, 28-33 sort of feel like a town-scum post sequence if mafmen is indeed scum (yeahyeahyeah, house of cards, mafmen hasn't flipped and all but whatever. that's what i think)The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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i mean.... it's right there in 37In post 49, MafMen wrote:im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed hereThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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this doesn't feel like good faith engagement. what "explanation" would manatee reasonably have rn? it'll be a pithy "nuh-uh" (which is exactly what he gave) or flailingIn post 43, Korina wrote:I don't like Manatee. At all.
His first RVS vote seemed off to me, then Post 21 came and just really really felt off.
Manatee, please explain why I shouldn't vote you?
(I'm not voting him till I get a VC in case of accidental lolhammer)
not to mention there's clearly 2 votes ON THIS PAGE in a 2 page game so the "accidental lolhammer" concern feels disingenuous
this+korina's next post feels like piling onto a popular scumread and trying to look reasonable without actually getting hands dirty and voting himThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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MafMen wrote:
try harder, i see nothing thereIn post 56, Antihero wrote:
i mean.... it's right there in 37In post 49, MafMen wrote:im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here
dude...In post 37, Antihero wrote:33 rly rubs me the wrong way but idon't rly know why... i guess it feels a tinge buddyish and i think it's weird mafmen piggybacks on guiltylion's subjective p1 gut townreads but ignores the real meat of guiltylion's early posts (the manatee vote).The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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neatIn post 65, MafMen wrote:i mean hes the only player i recognise here so i guess im wking him because of that?
besides i really dont like the case against him so i would defend him either way
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/sigh
ok i guess i shouldn't have gotten snarky
but really, i feel like the boring "OMG META" is detracting from a more interesting conversation to be had from the "wagons are town" premise
do the town of salem stuff (whatever that entails) but... yeah. where do you go from there?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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uhhhhhhhhhh.... i mean... i wasn't denying the existence of quickhammers or that quickhammers aren't a bad thing, champ. that'd be fucking bananas.In post 91, Korina wrote:Anti, please read this game and tell me if my concern about accidentally hammering is valid.
If you don't want to, I'l save you the effort: I was in a hydra with a friend, we were a one-shot vigi. I accidentally hammered the vengeful townie thinking they were at L-1, town lost about 3 pages later.
Does my concern sound reasonable now?
my point is that your failure to acknowledge manatee only had 2 votes at the time of fussing over a quickhammer is super lazy at best and lamist at worst.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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townreads are cheap
scumreads are where you run the risk of making enemiesThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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backIn post 108, Antihero wrote:[oath]
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[guiltylion, otter, invisibility, manatee]
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[blackstar]
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[mafmen, korina]
will do little write up when i have a moment but this is where i'm at w reads
oath is a nicely developing townread for me. thought her entrance was townish and i like 100 (i'm on a phone so links are hard but it's at the top of the page.) original thoughts plus suspicion of invis feels towny
guiltylion's posting is pretty good so far and otter's is ok. invisibility's loosey goosey play seems kind of towny to me, doesn't rly seem calculated or agenda driven. i like that he voted blackstar too. i don't think manatee's done anything super readable himself but the fact he's getting flak from 2 of my scumreads and white knighted by the third pushes him to the north side of null.
blackstar sort of feels like he's trying to keep his head down and not make too much of a splash BUT give a different reason for voting manatee than everyone else to avoid setting off alarm bells for being too sheepy.
already talked about korina and mafmen. not impressed w korina's recent strawman nor am i buying mafmen's explanation for having no apparent suspectsThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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i wouldn't expect you to have mature reads nor would i expect you to fully commit to them this early. that's insane.
that said, i still can't wrap my head around this philosophy you're selling. so... what exactly needs to happen before you start scumhunting and how do you get there?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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Post 91 addresses Post 60 like it was saying "quickhammers don't happen" or "quickhammers aren't bad," both of which are laughable premises and ALSO not what 60 was saying at all.In post 120, Korina wrote:What strawman? And also, my TR on Blackstar is based on this game I ran. His tone feels similar to this game
also not seeing what you're apparently seeing re: blackstar meta
it's you. what's scummy about invis to begin with?In post 124, OkaPoka wrote:also is it me or is invisibility too scummy to be scum.
april join date is still pretty new imo, but that aside newness doesn't correlate with defensiveness nor does defensiveness correlate with being scum and YOU aren't new enough to still think thatIn post 129, OkaPoka wrote:Manatee imo is kinda sus if you are asking for my read on him. It's been pointed out before i think, 51 and 77 feel a little bit defensive and manatee isn't exactly a new player so you can't forgive him for that.
this is a dopey reason to go back on a townreadIn post 139, OkaPoka wrote:is this theater guiltylion? are you going to vote korina soon or what?
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those are just bad reasons to scumread someone to begin with, esp early game.In post 150, OkaPoka wrote:invisibility is just tossing around votes and joining wagons, something normally people would scumread him for but i think it is too carefree to be read as scum.
so.... congrats on not pushing a facile scumread i guess...?
some people just have short fuses and don't like being called scum (me being one of them). that's why "defensiveness" sucks as a scumtellsome new players as town really care about being scumread most more experienced players as town get more apathetic about scumread unless they see the scumread as inconsistent and scummy or they are going to be lynched.
errr... what's this now? i lost track of what you're talking about.is it? i was going to mark guilty as solid town because usually town does not completely 180 a case they just built and admit they are wrong.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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you CAN count to 2 tho... right?In post 154, Korina wrote: 1) That's not a strawman, that's a legit concern about quickhammering again on accident. Keyword: ON ACCIDENT.
I quickhammered in MCFM because I miscounted on Doom and thought he was at L-2, not L-1.
i actually think he looks a smidge looser lipped in the town game you posted but ..... ok? sick read, broIn post 154, Korina wrote:2) Looking at how Blackstar was playing that game feels similar to how he was in this game (before he replaced out).
ehhhhhhh....In post 179, Korina wrote:Currently, I suspect Guilty, Manatee, and Invis, (and correct me if I'm wrong on this), but, you guys think Manatee is lynchbait, Invis is something (probably lynchbait) and Guilty is town, so why would I try to wagon those people if the general consensus is that they're town?
i think guilty would definitely be an uphill battle for you but neither manatee nor invis are drawing many explicit townreads.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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Korina wrote:Also, if I'm hammered while I'm asleep:
Oka and Blackstar are town.
I don't like Manatee, Invis or Guilty.
Anti is in a weird spot of being able to go both ways very easily.
Everyone else I don't know.
alright...
neither the AtE nor the naked reads list are very moving to me sooooo.... on with your explanations i guess...?
kind of wish i had a better otter read but that'll have to wait until monday i suppose
how could you possibly know now how the read's going to change...?In post 191, MafMen wrote:Scum POE : Invisibility, Korina, OkaPoka (probably will change later)The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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oh joy, another strawmanIn post 199, Korina wrote:
I don't like this.Antihero wrote:
how could you possibly know now how the read's going to change...?In post 191, MafMen wrote:Scum POE : Invisibility, Korina, OkaPoka (probably will change later)
I really don't.
Anti, please explain why scumreads wouldn't change through-out the course of the game.
changing reads are a thing. i get that. that should be implied for ANY reads list, especially one as early as this
i'm asking how he's claiming one of his scumreads are probably going to move to a townread (which is what i inferred from the placement of the parenthetical in the scum tier) bc that's a really oddly specific thing to predict at this point. not to mention it would necessitate him going back on my town "lean" (convenient, appease me now go-after me later) OR going back on an "almost definitely town" read (another bizarre thing to predict at this point given the confidence behind "almost definitely" word choice)The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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well dude...... i mean....In post 199, Korina wrote:I don't see why town would want to try to get a selfhammer, but I do get why scum would want to try to get that.
i don't see why town would self hammer
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fwiw, everyone (including mafmen) has been pretty mellow this game. i think i've been a little abrasive esp w the last round of posts but i'd say this is a nontoxic gameIn post 208, OkaPoka wrote:mafmen seems like an abrasive and unlikeable player in general (sorry)The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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/shrugIn post 243, MafMen wrote:hwat the fuck
idk what you're in a tizzy about. you hammered a scumread, what's there to apologize for?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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yeah i think oka's DISCUSSION TIME grandstanding is scummy. given how ingrained the pernicious "longer days are always better" is in the site-meta, i'm not surprised to hear criticism come up after that hammer but oka is the one that made the L1 vote and that comes with intent. you don't put someone (especially someone threatening to self hammer) at L1 and then get to be appalled at a hammerIn post 254, GuiltyLion wrote:Anti what do you make of Oka's immediate "Maf is scum" pivot? on one hand it feels genuine but I kinda think it's a scummy position to hold cause I agree that the hammer wasn't really that bad thereThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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i mean... i'm a pretty active poster so you could reasonably assume that i'd weigh inIn post 262, OkaPoka wrote:would like to hear more from antihero
any particular reason for that poke?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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reviewing...
still think oath is town
still leaning town on guiltylion (and this game's p fucked if he's not given the ciphers here)
mafmen i would feel a lot better on if he just hammered wo apology bc even given that korina was town i still think it was a good hammer. the recoil kind of nixes that for me bc now i'm wondering if the knowledge that korina was town was what caused mafmen's freak-out
still scumreading oka's lamist posting
burning the rest of my reads list and resetting.
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it's a newbish idea that should be outgrown as soon as you see a game where days linger past when ppl are ready for a flip and breed apathyIn post 268, OkaPoka wrote:i mean sure call it LAMIST for me to want more discussion time, but i have still yet to see someone disprove the idea that more discussion time is good for town.
and you telling me "talk more" doesn't make me post more readable content. it's just more lamist posting.The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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masterfully missess the pointIn post 268, OkaPoka wrote:and yes i can be appalled for a hammer, doesn't matter if mafmen apologized for it or not, a quickhammer is still a quickhammer and now all we have to do is believe his apology or not. i don't believe his apology, you can if you want.
you put korina at L1. why do that for any other reason than wanting him dead? if you really wanted more discussion, why wouldn't you just.... you know.... NOT put korina at L1?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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wow, thanks professorIn post 276, ManateeDude wrote:Dont see scum!oka here.
any more insightful commentary for today ooooooor we'll just see you same time tomorrow?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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In post 86, LuckyOtter wrote:@Invisibility
But do you find it alignment indicative?In post 84, Invisibility wrote:that response makes me want to rip off my eyelashes
Also, why Korina and not someone else on the manatee wagon if you think he's lynchbait?but... see... what is this...?
like... why wouldn't invis just spit out a reason for korina (not like there aren't any) instead of this LOLRANDOM vote change? it looks like the sort of spontaneous thing town would do that scum would balk at and invis doesn't seem slick enough to try to fake itThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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hmmmmm...... yeaaaaah...In post 312, GuiltyLion wrote:yah I'm good with an Invisibility lynch first I decided. He's been posting elsewhere on-site and not here, despite being the most likely lynch
[otter, invisibility, manatee-slot, mafmen, oka]
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invis scum game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76296
invis town game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76476
i cannot tell the fucking difference...
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In post 267, Antihero wrote:reviewing...
still think oath is town
still leaning town on guiltylion (and this game's p fucked if he's not given the ciphers here)
mafmen i would feel a lot better on if he just hammered wo apology bc even given that korina was town i still think it was a good hammer. the recoil kind of nixes that for me bc now i'm wondering if the knowledge that korina was town was what caused mafmen's freak-out
still scumreading oka's lamist posting
burning the rest of my reads list and resetting.
VOTE: oka
if your question is an attempt at good faith interaction, you're failingIn post 336, Antihero wrote:
hmmmmm...... yeaaaaah...In post 312, GuiltyLion wrote:yah I'm good with an Invisibility lynch first I decided. He's been posting elsewhere on-site and not here, despite being the most likely lynch
[otter, invisibility, manatee-slot, mafmen, oka]
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oh... okIn post 358, OkaPoka wrote:gimme three names not 5
Spoiler:
at this point i'm just assuming that's a "no"Antihero wrote:BUT HEY i'm sure that's way off base and there really is something sketchy about how i'm reading invis
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you picked the fight and now you're going to pretend you don't know what i'm talking about?In post 342, OkaPoka wrote:unless anti is invis scumbuddy?The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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i'd say you're less "just stating possibilities" and more "actively trying to sew paranoia"OkaPoka wrote:worst case scenario imo is scum!antihero because he can argue his way out of being scum and probably get us to lynch anyone else while we are at it lolThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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and the fact that the above quote was TOTALLY unsolicited from anyone else kind of belies this already:
In post 362, OkaPoka wrote:im not going to push you until we get invis flip lolThe distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.-
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did GL ask you for your opinion on me? did anyone...?In post 366, OkaPoka wrote:In post 345, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm still a lil tempted to pivot to Mafmen
like given the game state, who are being active posters vs who is inactive, and the consensus scumreads on Invis/Maf, the only way this game state really makes sense is if third scum is Otter/Manatee and the team as a whole has given up
worst case scenario where town!Invisibility and scum!Oka or scum!Oath, then Invisibility mislynch would be setting us up for chaos tomorrow
that's why we need content from those Otter/Manatee slotsIn post 347, OkaPoka wrote:worst case scenario imo is scum!antihero because he can argue his way out of being scum and probably get us to lynch anyone else while we are at it lol
no?
unsolicited then
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