micro 816-I: spaam (normal game) (gambe over)

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]Ugh, this isn't a good sign.....
VOTE: Radiant

no it's not. for you.

no one on the NRG would have ever passed that abomination of a role. throwing a vengeful into a 9p game is a major faux pas without some serious mitigating factors. why would a friendly neighbour, on its own, be one shot in the context of a 9p game where the swing of it failing completely determines the game? on top of that why would you ever give the confirmed town role a vengeful that forces a slot that gets value from its inability to be lynched to be lynched to be utilized correctly.

but it's a fakeclaim scum would make because it's the ultimate deterrent to lynching the role. he's simultaneously claiming to be confirmed town in the future making people not wanting to lynch him for that, while giving himself the out of claiming that his target was the one that died / claiming that he was roleblocked tomorrow because it's only one shot. it's a survival claim and nothing else

also yall are out of your fucking minds lynching gif he lost his job and didn't have time to play the game and on top of that he hasn't played scum in several years. I don't particularly desire to play scum but he is never given the scum slot of the pair of us, not that it ever came up because we got two town slots. even ignoring that the implication that if he were scum with me able to hard coach him the best he could do is not post is insulting to both of us.

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also we

hardclaim watcher enabler

since we expect to be dying tonight either way, and the reason that GIF was given this slot is he thought he could avoid the nightkill whereas I was going to soak it up

if scum has a watcher there's no interaction with a friendly neighbour style role, if town has the watcher then it's ridiculously townsided in 9p for ircher to be able to claim a conftown slot and trade 1 for 1

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Both Creature and I are more likely to choose town. I'm probably the more likely out of the two to choose scum though.

I'm pretty sure Radiant would choose a town role (despite being good at scum) simply because playing scum is really stressful for them.

I could totally see the worst choosing scum, and I'm pretty sure Nico would choose town.

No idea for everyone else.

also think for a second about these assertions
a lot of why I'm calling ircher scum is

broader strategical concerns

forgetting those, what does it say about ircher's alignment in this game that he's hard misrepresenting the fact that both I and Nico are the more likely of our respective pairings to pick scum

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Wtf, I don't understand this thinking here. You realise the mod's design for this setup isn't bound by such logic? A role with such juxtaposition could exist for this exact reason.

this is a normal game, the mod isn't free to design whatever stupid shit he could come up with. I literally cannot think of a NRG member who would pass that role.

I also know schadd's mod meta and he doesn't create ridiculous roles

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if I'm wrong then you can vengekill me

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you have an awfully poor opinion of my towngame if you would be considering venging outside of me if you were actually vengeful.

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according to popular consensus, probably both.

Generally sheep, except they're wrong here.

Am I?

I've considered that you could be town fakeclaiming but if you were town using that fakeclaim to try to get my partner lynched then you deserve to die off of that alone particularly given that when I replaced in to call you out on your bullshit you tried to vote me, and trying to get my partner lynched when I'm the only NRG member in the game would be the natural scum play.

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Also doesn't explain you somehow deciding that both NR and I wouldn't have picked scum and therefore trying to put pressure on her partners.

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Mutant is probably town as well

so

{RC}
{TW, Mutant}
{Gamma}
{others}
{ircher}

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TW doesn't really deserve to be so high

still happy with mutant/gamma town

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think it's because of the replacement

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what are your thoughts on ircher?

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does your friemd see why scum ircher would early claim a role like that to diffuse pressure and how that role is tailor made to diffuse pressure?

it's hard to convince people to lynch friendly neighbour claims in general, one shot means he gets away with not having a conf tomorrow, vengeful scares people off pressuring him

like in terms of writing a claim that's designed to prevent people from lynching the slot that's pretty much exactly it without going as far as claiming vig

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like we wait to tomorrow, there's obviously no FN out, we lynch him but if he's a scum PR that gives him a night to act and I suspect that he is based on this play.

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first pick for scumpartner is proffri btw

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Nah my friemd is less invested in this game rn which is fine.

I agree that each of those aspects makes him much harder to lynch rn
But also I'd say the pressure on him is to prove his role is real by making the right choice overnight on who to friendly neighbor, no?

pedit: scum PR is what I was not thinking of hmmm

he claims to have been roleblocked or claims that he targeted the person who died

then we're in the same position as today except he survived another day

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@proffri you said irchers play made sense as a vt play because he dgaf
then he claimed PR and that didn't shake your read on him at all why?

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Failed neighbor still being a good lynch because vengeful, I mean

Interested in the "watcher enabler" claim. Seems similar to Ircher's claim in terms of "don't-lynch-me" utility

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I don't mean that the two role claims are similarly unlikely but they do both have a "this might get proven later and I'm definitely useful to town" aspect that makes the slot harder to lynch

totally different motivations behind the claims, irrelephant, and I think that's obvious enough?
do you think that I presently think that I am under threat of being lynched when the case on my slot is that GIF was no posting in his current RL situation?

I fogured you wouldn’t play scum because that geberally leads to you being toxic which is no fun for anyone. I figured you would want the less stressful town role where you don’t have to 100% be in control of the game.

I mean I wasn't planning to, I picked Maria as my partner for a reason, but if we had actually gotten a scum slot it goes to me over GIF.

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"objectivity"? it absolutely has relevance your claim is patently absurd. any universe where you're town your role still does not exist. the fact that people in this game believed it staggers me, and since I'm the only one calling you out, yeah.

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okay ircher so let's say that you're town and a colossal fuckup and tried to fakeclaim a shitty PR and policy lynch the slot that was calling you out on it, then support me lynching someone primarily based off associatives with you (someone you know is town)

what are your reads?

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I would expect by now to have seen a percentage readslist with colours if you were town.

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You were obvtown for other reasons in that game though.

I'm townreading Gemini but I don't think that makes her town.

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Hence I don't think that makes her town

There's been games I've seen her in where I've been 100% on her being town and she's been town and I'm definitely not there so

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Gemini same deal goes

If you're town this time just do your thing and I'll see it but this is well within your scum range right now

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Ok creature what are your reads

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Like I said, I was explaining where my read came from. The VT role-spec was inextricably tied to my town read of you.

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Pretty sure it's just ircher friday

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Particularly given ircher basically said he'd sheep me wherever, acted like he'd vote there and then immediately jumped to geminitwin

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Let me get to a computer

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I also was considering stealing a pt

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I'm so sweet it's no wonder schadd fell for me

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I'm gonna not give a read on Gemini because my read on her is meaningless

RC, Mutant
Devle
-null line-
FL, Irrelephant
ProfFri
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Ircher

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Lol

Second devle is gamma

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Tw is somewhere above null I guess

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They have a lot of the kinds of posts that midrange scum make a lot of.

It's not a hard iso to produce as scum and I feel like I should outright townread something in that iso whereas there's a lot of stuff I dislike, ie them hard doubt casting my claim by comparing it to yours.

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Tbh they should be lower

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Ftr if your slot is actually town, not that I think it is, Irrelephant would be my first pick for scum

ProfFri is mostly his sorting you is incredibly svs

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I kinda want to vote elephant now lol

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Are you questioning me

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Are you fucking questioning me you walrus faced buffoon

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VOTE: Irrelephant

Yeah I think this is scum regardless of anything else

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alright TW are you ready for some hardcore buddying

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k im gonna not unvote ircher since I don't really have a reason to unvote him other than that I had good feelings by creature saying that I was town
don't actually think creature townreads me this easy

VOTE: Ircher

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THIS IS NOT A PAGETOP THIEF

THIS IS A ONE UNDER PT THIEF

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i felt memed

i demand a real hammer

BLOOD FOR HTE BLOOD GODS

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i feel like prof is either scum with ircher or TMIing a townread there.

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too much information. your reasons to townread him are mutually contradictory and don't make much sense and you're basically just saying yeah he's town without an argument for it

feels like you might think know he's town because you know he's not your scumbuddy.

why is he town?

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Aka why am I not voting you since you're scum in both cases?

It's fine I'll deal with you tomorrow, ircher is the better lynch today

scumread me for it if you have to

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Yeah that's actually not helpful because I can actually get lynched here nowadays but
I'm doing what I'm doing for a reason and that will be clear at some point

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A year ago I would do something very different from what I am doing right now here because I wouldn't be afraid of getting lynched for it.

I don't have that kind of leverage so I'm just going to shut up and say that I think Ircher should die regardless of his alignment

wanna lynch profri instead?
I kinda feel swindled because of how much I want Ircher dead but also spicy lynch???

not today

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I do genuinely think that proffri/ircher still has a lot of equity
but in that world ircher is the ideal lynch

I would really not mind a quickhammer on ircher here

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omg please yes

I'll hydra with you in a game if you do

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Oh, okay. Sorry if I did something to upset you.

You should still hammer.

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idk why town ircher fakeclaims, tries to lynch me for calling him out on the fakeclaim, then tries to lynch the person I think he's scum with who was literally only scum off of interactions with his slot

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i think people need to play better

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i'm taking a few days off this game, I'll come back when my mental state is better for it.

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@schadd pls let me get away with one prod dodge this game, will produce content before my next prod timer is up.

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Irrelephant why do you keep pushing the narrative that my claim was similar to irchers when I was under literally 0 threat of lynch?
The votes were on my predecessor for lurking, not anything AI that would carry over, and the claim was to help explain why Ircher's role was BS and to get protected.

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that weird vote from TW onto irrel kinda makes me think FL was right

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i don't think gemini has the guts as scum to openly policy lynch a townie and i've seen her push policy lynches as town before (on me) so that slot should be town
still think that gamma is town

so that leaves tw/FL/Irrel/mutant

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I can't gutread gemini because she comes across as really pure regardless of alignment but I can understand her progressions pretty much exactly

and most of it's not in thread, like given historical games I think her approach to ircher makes a lot of sense whereas I don't think it would occur to her to play this way as scum

like if you're scum the hammer is going down anyway and I don't imagine you have any desire to be on that wagon whereas she lynched me as scum (I intended to be lynched, I outed all the PRs and won the game for my team preflip) for reasons that are actually pretty similar to this game's Ircher and she made no effort to explain that read in thread in a way that surface level looks really bad

if she was scum trying to use that game as an excuse for pushing ircher then I think she would have brought that up in thread instead of relying on me putting the pieces together and this whole not explaining your reads and then getting lynched for it (not that she's scumread at all this game) is something I see her do a lot as town so.

gamma I can read far more consistently and am comfortable just saying town because

reasons

that really wouldn't make sense to anyone besides me

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also there was a period in our last game right before the shitty hammer went down where I was like yeah gemini is scum here so I'm more confident reading her rn than our past would suggest
I think that scum is some combo of FL/Irrel/TW and there's some sort of weird distancing play going on

I guess FL/TW isn't distancing but yeah

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meh my mutant townread is kind of lazy

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wait wtf how is mutant not scum

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I've kinda glossed over RC because they have quite a reputation that leads me to believe that if they are scum then I'll probably never figure that out on my first play with them.

this is never town's approach, mutant would either townread me for being towny or scumread me in spite of it because I'm

so good as scum

no one actually takes the rational approach but this is exactly what NSG would think I want to hear.

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also FL when the fuck do you outright townread me?

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I've kinda glossed over RC because they have quite a reputation that leads me to believe that if they are scum then I'll probably never figure that out on my first play with them.

this is never town's approach, mutant would either townread me for being towny or scumread me in spite of it because I'm

so good as scum

no one actually takes the rational approach but this is exactly what NSG would think I want to hear.

town!mutant in particular is like, hilariously towny in his DEEPLY EARNEST efforts to sort players which I haven't felt in a single one of his posts yet

why haven't you voted him yet this game?

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sure

VOTE: mutant

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whose trajectory do you have a problem with?

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VOTE: Irrelephant

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I miss when, when I didn't know who scum is I'd get away with just not doing anything until I did.

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VOTE: tw

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Final answer

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switching was a terrible idea, i really just don't care about this game.

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I dunno like

This idea that in a game where scum are clearly having a good game so we Lynch the person least likely to be having a game makes me laugh

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MS town shortcoming isn't their inability to read people which is pretty consistent it's failing to actually understand how the gamestate works and scumread people for reasons other than reads (and which aren't RC must be scum because Poe on D2 because that's called gting)

Gemini's only viable scumpartner here is flavor leaf and I don't but him bussing over doing literally anything else

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Everyone agrees that TW is scummy yet actually getting votes on therezhas been in practice impossible, everyone agreed that Gemini was town for pretty clear cut reasons that have very little room for error compared to reads on irrel, FL, etc and yet she's the one getting wagoned

I saw my gold coin last in the house but im looking for it outside because there's no light in the house

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why not gemini/tw?

Why Gemini in the first place?

But

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I mean there's no hard this is why they're not buddies if that's what you're asking but Geminis actions go from making zero sense as scum to sort of a conceivable FL wanted to quickhammer and advocated that she push a policy Lynch to get the hammer down

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One might even say that FL is putting lip service to being willing to vote TW while not doing so! That would be a spicy thing to say

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So you think it's irrel/gamma?

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gamma being town is uncontested
I think gemini is sort of obvtown; she always takes town over stungun, and I don't understand the wagons on her but given I believe exactly 1/2 of the wagon is scum I'll live with it
I'm town

so from there we have

FL
Mutant
TW
Irrel

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I don't think that Mutant's tunnel on Irrelephant was SvS, not because I don't think that scum would do that necessarily but because the actual play doesn't feel SvS

so quickly we have

FL/Mutant
FL/TW
FL/Irrel
Mutant/TW
TW/Irrel

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In general, I find something off about {Ircher, Prof Fridays, GeminiTwin12 & Flavor Leaf}. Idk why but I just feel like both scums could be in such pool as if you pick any 2 players from this pool then they make sense as a scum team.

actually my biggest issue with Mutant/TW is that I would expect >90% of the time for scum to put their partner in this designation but I feel like it's so awkward that it might have been explicitly coached as a false lead
Mutant/FL is still possible though

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still feeling like TW/FL blows everything else out of the water equity wise, I have a few moments where I'm leaning towards Mutant/TW because mutant put TW as second but refuses to vote there unless it's happening without them but meh

more interested in seeing what else I can explicitly exclude from contention

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GuyInFreezer (3): GeminiTwin12, Prof Fridays, Ircher

scum were clearly avoiding my wagon, wonder if anyone has a tmi townread on gif

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I'm comfortable with voting within Flavor, GIF, or Profri.

if gemini's scum it would be with flavor nearly all of the time

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But yeah okay

I think it's time for a case because I'm getting town vibes on mutant again and these associatives tho

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or I could not make a case and we could just lynch scum

:thonk:

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but when has my life ever been that easy

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i had the greatest idea right now

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BUT UH YEAH LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SUMMIN SHALL WE

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yall wanna see what a svs a so she uh tif looks like?

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tw you should vote Flavor Leaf

oohh what a strong persuasive tone, how could I say no?
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I love every part of this list I know

nice to meet ya gemini & Fridays

VOTE: the worst

We just played Transformers together lmao

o ye tru but it was a huge list and we didn't really talk lmao

votes him in the early game. not necessary the most relevant thing but he keeps the vote there but doesn't really talk about the dude for a long time.

laborate because this is how I feel about you as well and I flipped a coin to decide if it was a playstyle thing or you're actually scummy and it landed on its side :C

was gonna mostly just cover associatives but this is a really scummy post. besides, what are the odds of a coin landing on its side COME ON PEOPLE this was a scumclaim.
note up to iso #40 with no follow up on the initial FL vote or even saying anything about them, yes FL lurked early but that is in and of itself suspicious so I'd expect there to be some level of gafing here.

Also what if it's flavorleaf and the worst

damn I feel bad for you scum you got 99 problems and the elephant is one.

{the worst}
{}
{Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald}
{mutantdevle, Prof Fridays}
{Flavor Leaf, geminitwin12} (nullish here)
{GuyInFreezer}
{Ircher}

nullread on FL, undeserved townread on elephant to pocket the dude who called out the scumteam.

something is a little pingy about Flavor Leaf's posting so far but.... it's a kinda sweet ping for some reason...
if we're talking sheer content he'd move down to GIF's bracket, if we're talking tonally and like position in the gamestate (bad wording w/e) he probably moves up to mutant/ProFri's bracket

and he feels the need to do all this over elaboration about that read in particular and waffle about it all over the place.

for d1 sorting by postcount says we should murder GiF and FL (GiF for being unreadable, FL because he's just posting underwhelmingly compared to his usual townposting).

mutant is good given late rep in
GT12/ProFri are whatever
myself and ircher are both capable of being in our activity overview position regardless of alingment, and the voices in my head are saying the same applies to Rel

Randomly says that he should lynch FL despite them being a nullread and the 'sweet ping' thing suggesting that they were somewhat of a townread. No follow up ofc ofc, who follows up that's for losers.

note the shit push on GIF but he never actually ends up putting his vote there.

that doesn't feel like a schadd_ role off first impressions (but also first impressions remind me schadd_ is notttttt predictable soooo

I'll trust it if you friendly neighbourise me but potentially not if you neighbourise anyone else ngl?

feels kinda weird having a role with two town conformable aspects or like, a role with any conformable aspects in a mini, but it's conformable and self resolving ao this is just a quick peak into the ducky brain

Disbelieves the role but makes no effort to follow up on that disbelief either.

what to take out of this:
ircher fakeclaimed a provable town role then confessed he fakeclaimed it as a gambit

Someone's always pointed this out and this was the main reason I wanted to lynch TW today but this feels like a post that at the very least thinks that Ircher is town but he's voting there and stays there.

@FL/RC duo where is the FIREPOWAH I felt from you two during that one newbie game? was I really just an overwhelmed n00b?

his entrance to this day is making me seriously regret lazy townbinning him d1 zzz

Random FL calling out because he feels the need to justify this read. note that not one person in this game does TW feel the need to make comments like this about his read on, besides for flavor leaf.

immediately drops that line of thinking and starts pushing irrelephant though.

Given the state of your wagon if you do flip town we've probably got a town win off how grossly some slots have handled you :/ for what it's worth

again this would be referring to... flavor leaf but no effort to follow up on it.

both of my townreads are voting Gemi and like I GUESS she could be scum but I got some good energy there earlier so I'm kinda cold on that lynch for now

FL is challenging because tonally he always feels like reserved and considered. I just agree with a fair few of his thoughts about slots gamestates etc. and don't really mind the assumptions he's operating off to get to the conclusions he's getting to

like he's either just town or this is a v strong scumgame for him. I think if it makes sense he plays town the way people wish people played scum.

alternating kingmaker between the two most skilled scum players on the list

oK tHiS is FINE

again why make that final comment if he's townreading FL

on top of that TW just

does not have a read on me

. I would expect to be a priority to solve for him but I'm not at no point in this game does he talk about my alignment like my alignment is something that matters.
even further, FL called TW scum with Irrelephant, then calls TW scum with Gemini, and in both instances is voting the non-TW partner then when I actually get a TW wagon going who has been his overlapping scumread on all of his reads today he's like nah fam I got this.

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also it's just literally no one else.

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and silence

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listen here you scraggy git

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alright FL's digging in his heels rather than bussing.

VOTE: FL

we won't get through TW without doing this first and if we try to lynch TW we'll just end up with FL convincing town to lynch scum.
And no, you wouldn't have killed shit because Proffri was as you said the obvious nightkill.

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convincing town to mislynch, you know what I meant.

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and before you say something really stupid here I transpose town and scum constantly as town and while I won't say I never do it as scum I'm a lot more careful about what I write as scum so it comes out less often.

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agreed that that's not an AI slip, I knew what he meant

It is in the sense RC’s knows he doesn’t ever read me as scum correctly.

RC doesn’t actually scum read me, and if he actually thought that I was scum with TW, he’d force my hand to vote TW.

this isn't hard.

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I called you scum in the normal and I only scumread you in the newbie for a very short time, but I understand why you are doing htis.

you're attacking to attack my ability to read you, while simultaneously calling me scum, while simultaneously saying that as town I constantly incorrectly scumread you, while simultaneously saying that I wouldn't scumread you here as town, all of which are mutually contradictory to try and discredit the wagon now that I've turned it on you.

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now you're pushing rationale that I'd have to kill you as scum? I

never

kill you as scum here ever regardless of your partner.

you had to flip and try to lynch me since I called the scumteam. that's literally all this is.

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"to save gemini"

also pushing exclusively associative logic to insure a double mislynch on TW tomorrow.

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Gemeni is likely to end up being the lynch today, however.

if town's that bad then they deserve to lose.

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If it's FL/RC I would be so sad

if it's FL/RC then help me bus.

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mmm

I mislynched someone who lied about their claim mostly off of their claim

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also note that FL has shifted focus to gemini because she's the easiest mislynch left in the game.

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like he can't continue to push irrelephant because he'll be lynched for sure so now he has to go after gemini (which in this town, he probably can lynch) and the most convenient narrative there involves me being scum

Yep, gave you the perfect defense while getting rid of a potential threat.

the only threats in this game are to my sanity

I disagree with this.

TW is the easiest mislynch, followed by me.

so you're saying that I'm scum and going for easy mislynches because that doesn't sound like something I would do

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why protect gemini tho

and simple wagon dynamics. note that irrel has already unvoted you.

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you switched to me before the pause.

@everyone who is town if I have to actually high effort this let me know.

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we're agreeing that when (if) this flips scum flavor leaf never goes to endgame, regardless of what he says, regardless of what he claims?

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wow what a surprise!!!

I for one am shocked at this development.

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no shit lol

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it amuses me that boon made a comment about my energy level while pushing on me.
if he thought I was scum that's something that he would literally never say. I kept up with chesskid until it came to the point where it was a decision on ruining the game for everyone or winning.
but from the perspective of knowing I'm town yeah it gets really wearying to have to fight for days on end for something that's imo really obvious and people should get better

it's a lot easier for someone like FL to sit and throw words at the game when they're scum because it's easier to do it in general when you're scum. when you're town and have all the accoutrements that go with it it's hard to high octane gogogo, unless like chesskid you're relying on computer tells that essentially constitute a guilty.

but regardless of his effort level the way he responded to me calling out the scumteam makes it really obvious that it's him

I've seen his reaction to being scumread by me so many times, he does as town claim to believe that I always scumread him as scum. this game he instead decided that I was scum for voting him when he claimed that I have an established pattern of voting him as town then repeatedly discredits me rationale that I must be scum with gemini (while not pushing for

my

lynch, and as town he would be terrified of me slipping the noose later particular when I'm essentially innoed by role PM.)

put yourself in FL's shoes and ask yourself if he votes gemini and risks him getting nightkilled and the game being lost anyway or if he's just trying to ram a mislynch through so he can kill me

if he was town he'd have actually made a case for me being scum because my slot is the priority in any universe, not rushing a lynch through on gemini.

also TW's play regarding the FL slot continues to be obv SvS and that whole caught for the wrong reasons thing from FL

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according to who?

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Also, RC said i should prioritize a lynch on him not Gemeni. I was doing that. As soon as I saw RC as scum, I went after him. So that is a misrep right there.

Lynching Gemeni increases the chances of lynching RC next. It makes no sense as scum to go after Gemeni here, because if Gemeni were to flip town, I’m fucked.

That objectively clears me as town.

what else are you supposed to do? you're fucked, your best play is to lynch gemini nightkill me and say whoops I was wrong and go back and try to get the irrelephant lynch.
you know what objectively clears me as town? the fact that I'm an enabler to a restricted watcher.
the idea that scum would be informed about an already limited watcher is meme tier and schadd has shown no indication that he uses roles like watcher.

but you know that you're never going to get my lynch through that and you're not trying to because you

don't have to.

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like it's all lynch gemini lynch gemini lynch gemini gemini lynch doesn't get me lynched, as scum I just nightkill you and am still confirmed town because somehow I guessed that the watcher existed

you're just trying to remove me from the game.

Spoiler: Nero PBPA

I'm not getting the Wilky hate. Like at all. Why in the world would scum fakeclaim miller to 1v1 a useless powerrole. Everyone on that wagon gets -10 town cred.

What does seem possible to me is that Dave fakeclaims miller and then CC'd.

vote:Dave

This position that he's taking feels too strong: it feels like a TMI townread. It was already known that the miller claim wasn't a 1v1 and he chooses to ignore that in favor of taking a very confrontational stance. Not a fan.
Not actually literally something that never comes from Nero town, but the position does feel kind of forced.

VOTE: Nero Cain

This seems good

Because focusing on negative utility roles is a distraction and is the kind of thing I'd expect scum to be doing if both millers were town

VOTE: Nero

this is scum sheeping dumb town.

vote:Maria

Again: why? Rather strong position to take, feels TMI. This one is more strongly TMI since I think that dunnstral was not towny at all at that point in the game.

no no no. Hiders are

OBJECTIVELY

weak. We don't call them weak hiders b/c that's redundant. You're basically claiming that you don't know how a hider works which I think is bullshit. You are

ALSO

twisting and/or putting words into my mouth

Again this entirely sequence feels like he's playing dumb. It's not difficult to understand what we're talking about with regards to the hider not being weak but he chooses to go off on Maria for 'not knowing what a hider is?'
This is similar to the first situation with the miller where it obviously wasn't actually a 1-1 CC and this had been discussed but he chooses to ignore that in favor of confrontationally taking a stance that dummies out a lot of the situation.
I went through a strong period of thinking that this was SvS and if I die tonight you should probably lynch Maria before endgame, but this does say more about Nero than it does about Maria, so.

Also just because you point to wiki and find a role weak doesn't mean it can't be in the game

I don't get what this is, like at all. If you are saying that I'm saying that TChill has to be lying b/c the role is not as the wiki lists it then its putting words into my mouth.

that's not the issue at hand here. The issue is you're saying 3 roles 1 has to be a fake claim in them via scum and that's the agenda you're pushing that I have a problem with it's not me saying you don't think hiders are weak I don't really care about that. I just don't get why you closed off the thought of "oh maybe they could all be town"

That really wasn't your original argument though. Like Tchill claimed that he was a hider but GIF had taken away the weak modifier. You then claimed that I think "

without thinking if that's the case town has to have some great stuff or scum are underpowered etc etc.

Its putting words into my mouth.

I guess the real question is why can't I, as town, think there's a fake claimer in 3 neg utility roles? I guess the other question is why do you think all 3 are town and they aren't fakeclaiming.

Do you sr people in the group besides the claims? I see you tr wilk because you don't see scum him ccing but what do you feel about dave and tchi play wise?

I DO! I think you are scum and the RC hydra is scummy and Khade. Dave and tchill are null, it's pure WIFOM paranoid.

again: totally misses the point of the discussion.

thought I do like this I just didn't like how RC seemingly was talking out of both sides of his mouth about Wilky.

And your going from "I think Wilky is scum" to "guys lets all believe the the 3 neg utility roles" makes your Wilky vote seem pretty bandwagony.

Read on me is weirdly waffly: calls it good then says that I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. Also the inclusion of 'seemingly' is scummy, was I or wasn't I talking out of both sides of my mouth about Wilky?

RC, if your town and your whole thing is "I'm going to get Nero lynched as punishment!" then that's p immature bro.

Though the thing about the Wilky was meant to be about MARIA'S vote. I reread it and see how it was confusing so my bad on that.

Again this is... weird. The reaction to me getting nero lynched as punishment is pretty underplayed, just calls it immature, but he still felt like including that when there was a clear reason I was scumreading him that he corrected?

ewww @ the Nero is lurking argument. Though I can't tell if its normal Ram idiotcy or opportunistic scum hopping on a growing bandwagon.

This is a super scummy post on it's own right, and its super indicative that Ram is scum as well.


Also not going to include all the quotes about Maria but his weird insistency that Maria is scum to the point of tying a bunch of people to her feels scummy regardless of darling Claire's alignment.

your top scum read is town as fuck Wilky while you also blasted me for thinking that there's scum in the fake claimers? This is hypocritical as fuck.

Again: Wilky feels TMI, the other bit is just awful.

I doubt i can get anything more from you, if no one else is joining me, but i'll keep eye on you

mayhaps no one joined us b/c the grand total of ur case is "Nero is lurking" which isn't true anyways.

Feels SvS once again. Super shallow engagement that doesn't actually make an effort to sort each other, just to have an interaction and stop talking to each other.

I don't really buy into this "I'm playing my d1 sheep game." I don't feel like a meta dive but this is probs null as they do it as both alignments. Still, the scum motivation in sheeping is there.

Again: really waffly. Nero is not a waffly person.

So TL;DRs of Nero.

1) His reads on several people, including Dunnstral, Maria, and the millers, feel TMI.
2) He shallowly engages with several major topics of the day to the point of failing to engage with the actual questions and taking a strong stance not based in the reasoning. I don't think Nero's that dumb.
3) His intercourse with Ramcius feels incredibly SvS. Maria I'm also concerned about but I would actually put her as more likely to be town post Nero-townflip than Maria.

I am not going to do a PBPA of Matt because I haven't had the same level of tiem to distill what I don't like about individual posts but

1) His obsession with the question of mechanical vs not mechanical feels like a scum posturing to me. He doesn't actually try to change it, he just makes fun of OTM for it.
2) He AGAIN feels really TMIy with several locktownreads that he doesn't explain, insulting several readslists with no indication of what's wrong with them, and his poorly explained Davesaz tr.
3) Back with 1: he repeatedly gets mad at townies for doing 'bad' things but makes no effort to change them, he just insults them and continues to sideline the game.
4) At no point in the game does he actually scumhunt or explain a read. Go through the game again, it literally never happens. He just has this Dunnstral scumread and pushes it, no explanation, insults a bunch of the popular wagons, no explanation, explains why Tchill is included in his scumpool earlier in the game but no explanation of why anyone there is scum.

I don't do wallcases though.

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Also, RC said i should prioritize a lynch on him not Gemeni. I was doing that. As soon as I saw RC as scum, I went after him. So that is a misrep right there.

Lynching Gemeni increases the chances of lynching RC next. It makes no sense as scum to go after Gemeni here, because if Gemeni were to flip town, I’m fucked.

That objectively clears me as town.

what else are you supposed to do? you're fucked, your best play is to lynch gemini nightkill me and say whoops I was wrong and go back and try to get the irrelephant lynch.
you know what objectively clears me as town? the fact that I'm an enabler to a restricted watcher.
the idea that scum would be informed about an already limited watcher is meme tier and schadd has shown no indication that he uses roles like watcher.

but you know that you're never going to get my lynch through that and you're not trying to because you

don't have to.

That’s not my best play. I already said that if you die tonight, kill me instantly.

And I’m more likely to get your lynch through, than you are mine today.

things no one would ever say to scum me for 500$

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You’re not a town enabler. You’re coasting off your fake claim.

since when do I coast off of fake claims? since when do I not have the follow through to close out games? since when do I let myself get tied to buddies when I'm basically confirmed town?

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that doesn't make sense given that scum me is a lot better at pushing lynches and generally controlling the game

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"easily a ploy to get you towncred for the game"

how did I know the watcher existed unless I'm an enabler and why does schadd give scum an enabler to a town restricted watcher?
you're trying to act like me getting this role is something that I consciously did.

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I see a future where you go oh I wouldn't have killed RC after saying that I should be lynched after he dies, the rest of the town nods along reluctantly and mutant throws down another gamethrow vote tomorrow.

Gamma already explained this. Informed role, or you’re a Scum Enabler.

I’m leaning towards the Informed, though. It was a good scum play, I’ll give it that.

you can't rationalize the existence of an informed role on scum telling them about an odd night watcher.

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What correlation does any of that have to the mod putting an informed role which are almost unheard of in normals?

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BUT GAMMA KNOWS IT tho

please stop buddying him.

If I was scum, you’d be getting lynched right now. Simple as that.

You don't have that kind of weight as either alignment, sorry.

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More weight than you do when I put it in there.

Not buddying Gamma, we just see that we’re both town. We each have our own reads.

I just can’t progress without Gamma or Irrelephant. Town’s supposed to work together.

if I were scum I would bitchslap you to the next dimension.

"gamma knows it" about everything that you do but you're not buddying him? you can admit it, it's not scumclaiming to admit that you're consciously buddying him.
Towns don't work together, they lynch whoever the least charismatic player is. there is no town there is only RC

And damn, if you’re saying I have no weight as either alignment, yet I still always beat you in those 1v1’s, that’s another win.

you're really lucky that I haven't rolled scum in a game with you if you feel that way outside of posturing.

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@Irrelephant - I don’t know what to say to you. Unfortunately, I see you as town who’s just incorrect in their reads, and I’m trying to help you see that. You helped me see that I was wrong earlier. I feel like I’m highlighting a lot of RC’s scummy objectiveness. I feel that I’ve shown why from my POV that Gemeni/RC is the team, and this is after taking all of the other pushes into account. We worked those pushes a lot, and this is where it comes down what I talked about earlier about how I’m wrong until I’m not.

My strongest bit as town is my ability to solidly town a good group of people after a while. I rarely am hardcore duped, and when I am, damn, I deserve it. Only ScumGamma here would give that feeling, and I don’t see Gamma as scum AT ALL.

I approve of your scum reach out

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I mean, when i was scum against you last, I stomped you and the town. :shrug:

I’m like that every game with Gamma, he’s a Boon Babe. I’m like that with all the players I know. Helps me with my reads on them.

bitch I forced a vig claim out of skitter and called 2/3 of the scumteam the moment I died excluding skitter

you didn't outplay me I just had this stupid as fuck town that quicklynched mulch for no reason before I could lynch scum

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Some might even say there are parallels to this game, except this game I expect to win and that one I didn't expect to win.

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I disagree that town’s don’t work together. I constantly try to work with townies, and I get results because of it.

Irrelephant and I have put in a lot of work together this game even when we were going after each other.

you're overdoing it, it's kind of obvious you're systematically trying to reach out to all the townies that you're not pushing

It wasn’t for no reason that Mulch was lynched.

I was in a 1v1 with Mulch there. That was very much by design, and I was the one who told Skitter to claim vig there, and we used it to bus her later.

it's for a reason that he got quicklynched before I could solve the game. you're not getting another quicklynch this time

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Some might even say there are parallels to this game, except this game I expect to win and that one I didn't expect to win.

Zero parallels. I was scum who was universally town read there, and perfectly killed off any threats.

Oh please it was a trivial lobby. winning trivial lobbies is a meaningless achievement. winning this game with people like ircher and mutant on town would be a meaningless achievement.

if you can't maintain a 100% winrate on games that you want to win being good at scum doesn't matter because it's trivially easy to win 90% of scum games

it's the last tiny portion that show what an actually good scum player can do.

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That quick lynch on Mulch shows the pull I have when I’m scum. I definitely don’t have that here.

To be fair, I know Mulch pretty well, so I can get reactions out of players pretty easily.

I know exactly how to get you to act certain ways too.

If I’m ever scum against you, I’ll journal it in a scum pt when I start to do it to you

Your magnetism as scum doesn't even compare to mine and you pushed me off of coasting and not trying to exert influence.

and given that you're trying to lay the charisma on pretty thick over the last few pages, yeah.

boon you stand no chance against me any more than LLD stood any chance against me. this game is the start of a new era, I will be claiming guilties on you from D1 from now on
on the flipside you have diplomatic immunity if you roll town in games with me, which is a bonus in and of itself.

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I mean majority is nothing

I think that you've genuinely played this game well but I don't think you compare or have ever compared to like myself or FA.
you play a very predictable style of mafia, going for the mislynch and NK is never my play here in your shoes. if you had bussed you have at the very least mutant in front of you on the lynch list and the potential to get another lynch in endgame

being 'good at mafia' and 'magnetic' in the sense that you're talking about being good as scum is far less relevant than being able to predict the future and make the correct plays well in advance. this wasn't it.
even if everything you're hoping for works out, even if gemini gets lynched I get nightkilled and you get a mislynch in 5 way and win you still made a play that didn't work

all the time

.

you aren't a master scum player until you're not playing to win, you're playing to not be able to lose.

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That's what I do as scum too boon

you systematically try to get control of everyone's votes as an individual
but you're being, in my opinion, excessively brazen about it.

I'm sure, if it helps, it works most of the time? but again, it's about those last few games.

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I have seen your scum game and whatever crazy things you have done I have done better. Like I said, I policy lynched Mathdino and made sure that we won despite me getting lynched to make a point.
I've claimed reviver that revived shiro, I claimed bus driver, I was the first person in years if at all to do the vig buddy strat that Alisae copied, I basically taught FA how to play.

FL I had a 60% winrate when the site winrate was 40% as town. The current era of me getting shit tunneled by fucktards trying to get a small bit of glory has nothing to do with what I'm capable of doing as town. I solved the last large theme I was in on D2 after deathtunneling one scum and tying the remaining 3 scum together and getting mechanical guilties on 2 of them.

I tilted when I replaced in because of shit tunnels and Ircher basically gamethrowing but I still came around and solved this given time. I solve anything given time.

Scum got too stressful for me, especially when I had my 2 and a half year undefeated streak, and then like the end of last year, I rolled scum like 7 times in a row. People just started seeing me as inherently scum, and it was so much effort. I just wanted to perfect my town game from there. I feel I’ve been having some pretty good games.

Hey that's how I feel. Unfortunately I am obligated to keep maintaining my winrate for reasons that I don't even understand but I don't even care that I'm 100% this year on scum games
I should tally up my town wr

(note that this excludes both team mafia and any hydra games but I'm excluding hydra games because I don't want to feel obligated to micromanage my partner as scum, and team mafia because it wasn't really mafia in the classical sense. that's separate from how the games actaully went.)

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except I'm town and I don't have the luxury of being able to pick and choose who I want to lynch.

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I think you underestimate me!

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even independently of me being town virtually nothing you've said about my scum play resonates with how I actually play scum so I can't agree with you there.

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you say by the book and you're not necessarily wrong but the book that I'm playing to is one that no one else has ever read.

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I don't think you are capable of playing to have an 100% winrate and you'd have to prove me wrong on that.

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how many games is that though and why did you stop?

I also don’t put a lot of stock into that kind of thing.

possibly.

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The real fire in me to maintain that died after the cabd thing. I still do it out of a sense of obligation but I don't know why I do it anymore. It's kind of just something I do now.

I finally got got, haha. It was a lot. At least 11.

I like winning, don’t get me wrong, but i like playing around too. But i always play to win.

I like to have fun.

That's not bad but you'll have to do better than 11

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i'm not going to post what I wrote here.

i dunno mafia's been a journey but I'm kind of ready to let it end.

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my last breaks have been for the wrong reasons though. I want to leave on a high note knowing that I've put everything where I want it to be kinda but it's never been that time
I guess I haven't gotten that sense of closure? I'm also worried that if I ever want to go back everyone's been flaking rn and there'll be nothing to go back to
I guess in the end that maintenance is because I think that I give people something to aspire to and a reason to be around

like mathdino complaining about how I shouldn't be in newbies when I have an insane track record of having newbies in my games stick around.

not really for myself.

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yeah that's not something I do.

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You realize the watcher would watch the watcher enabler right

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Irrelephant how did any of this make you start thinking me/FL was svs?

FL scum sure but where did the doubt on my slot come from?

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Also ProfFri wasn't a watcher speculation shot I don't think

He hard defended the mislynch and that generally makes you eat bullets

If scum shoot me they're giving away a member, idk why you would expect them to

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VOTE: mutant

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Idk people say I'm overly sensitive to scumreads and that I actually have the same playing experience as everyone else but literally no one else on site gets people shading them under these conditions

And it's not just an oh enabler is townsided role deal it's a why the fuck does scum have an enabler to an already weakened watcher

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Do you agree that that says a lot more about flavor leafs alignment than it does about mine?

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I mean if TW/FL is the scumteam they have to do something

Not rly but then mutants posting was horrible so maybe I was wrong on 1/2 of fl tw

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Perhaps the change of votes was hasty or I'll advised or whatever but mutants last page was a complete Trainwreck and tw/mutant particularly is starting to have solid equity

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Ftr if this was scum theatre I'd fully intend to Lynch flavor leaf

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Dunno dude. I know you're going to scumread me for it but I think it's at least possible that flavor leaf is town who believes in his gemini read and I think it's easier to solve the game around him and if he's scum I'll know that the tells that I'm using work

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Assuming you're town its just 2/3 of tw FL mutant
I'm looking for a more concrete reason to write off 1 pairing

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Retract RC/FL scumteam I just find it odd they're fighting so hard and not voting for each other
But the RC claim makes me townread him

they do this every time regardless of alignment, don't read too much into the associatives of it. that's a bullshit reason to townread someone who's competent scum btw

this is literally the opposite of how that works. anything that I do play wise can be faked and therefore doesn't necessarily make me 100% town
you're treating this role like it's something that I did rather than something that I am.

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FL's 1234 got me thinking.

RC claimed watcher enabler. The scum team would know RC had no reason to lie about his role if he was town. They'd also know that killing him would nullify the watcher (which they now know exists). Additionally, RC (from my understanding of his reputation) is a good player.

Why is RC still alive?

They'd have to have had real confidence that prof fridays was the watcher in order to kill him instead of RC.

this post should be a scumclaim
him pretending not to know what a watcher is should be a scumclaim

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if it's not a scumclaim he's not someone I want going anywhere close to lylo anyway.

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if it's not a scumclaim he's not someone I want going anywhere close to lylo anyway.

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my real read is that both scum are currently on the gemini wagon.

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from then on it's deciding which of the three I want to get rid of

note that both scum being on the gemini wagon is independent of them actually being on the gemini wagon

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it's that them being on the gemini wagon is mostly not the reasons that I'm scumreading them yet they all happen to be on the gemini wagon anyway

I will say that I'm leaning towards it being TW/Mutant right now but boon doesn't get to say shit in postgame about me not reading him right if it's him/TW because fundamentally my read is 2/3

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if it's not a scumclaim he's not someone I want going anywhere close to lylo anyway.

Why?

because in the towncase scenario mutant doesn't understand game mechanics at all and is saying really really dumb things while attacking like a complete ass to me about them

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i doubt that it's gamma and I end up not catching him

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gonna take a nap and decide whether TW or Mutant gives me better odds of catching a scumteam I wouldn't be expecting then vote there

UNVOTE: for now

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VOTE: Mutantdevle

final answer.

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mutant seems like he has a really high opinion of himself and I don't buy him shitting on himself to the point of saying he can't string two thoughts together as scum unless he's actually scum

my first vibe on reading their opener to the day was that their partner picked a kill for them and they didn't really have a say, and if you're townreading them for it do realize that discussing the nightkill is considered a scumtell for a reason.

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Yeah... I get watcher and tracker mixed up sometimes. The other points still apply though.

also the other points still apply to an argument that's literally entirely predicated around me being potentially scum when I wasn't nightkilled

if they truly misunderstood how a watcher works then learning it should have radically reoriented the gamestate for them regarding my claim and alignment and the fact that it didn't suggests to me that their scumread on me was something they were holding onto for strategic motivations rather than because they legitimately didn't understand why the gamestate pointed to me being town.

and TW is sitting here spewing absolute garbage like 'you shouldnt townread me because somehow me being a good scum player is conflated with me getting a role that mod confirms me.'

there's no mechanism by which my prowess as scum, however vast, would have produced this outcome unless you think I sussed out that the dude was watcher in early D1.
I've gone over his ISO a ridiculous amount of time looking for a soft that someone might have caught and looking to see if any reactions indicated a scum that caught it
The closest I saw was him saying that he believes my claim which I doubt scum confidently took as a watcher tell and came after the fact of the claim either way

even mutant's big 'case' stuff is functionally IIOA where he makes a bunch of assumptions about where scum are and aren't to come up with gemini scum
and the reaction in general did not feel like someone who thought I was potential scum, it felt like scum who knew I was town but still hated my approach to their slot because caught for the wrong reasons kind of deal

and ftr all of the above is pretty low key for me. the way he reacted with the 'omg you are just scumreading me for scumreading you' and me being pathetic and such is something i've seen ad nauseum from scum recently who go straight into postgames saying that I didn't really catch them, I just voted them for voting me and that makes it not count. it's straight scum caught for the wrong reasons and I believe that mutant really believes that my switching to voting him is shit.

also town don't say that I should have been voting him and TW already but yeah

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with regards to the future, Mutant -> TW -> FL is a win well over 95% of the time

there is absolutely one more additional PR, odd night watcher with an enabler is not enough power for one game, massclaim tomorrow and if there's only one PR claim they're town almost all of the time

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eh

like it's vaguely plausible that schadd's line of reasoning that I was meant to be a functional IC and an (almost always) 1-shot watcher was enough for town on top of that actually

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particularly if he went the team mafia approach and tried to balance it at a higher quality of town play than a standard game. like in a NRG I would never pass enabler/oddnightwatcher/5vt/2goons

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ouch

okay with the actual reviewers it's plausible that there's no remaining powers

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w/e massclaim tomorrow anyway and figure it out from there. I'm trusting you not to be stupid

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if you end up with a literal clear on one of TW/FL and be very literal about clear then you can start considering elsewhere

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note that all this assumes that mutant flips scum, if he's town sorry for being a shitty pseudo IC I guess. I don't think he does but

I would lynch FL into townflip and me dying but I don't expect anyone to figure their way through the wifom or to trust my reads at that point so do what you will

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I believe in you guys <3

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town having power elsewhere is... sort of expected given the power level but given CFJ balances all his games to be stupidly scumsided and implo doesn't really know how to balance at all, well yeah.

you do realize my role is negative utility right

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@mutant if you're town find a time NSG can be around so that we can talk about this game with each other via you as proxy

if that's not happening you're the lynch today no matter what.

[RadiantCowbells]

yes, you do
so does gamma
so does gemini

therefore if I'm wrong about the scumpool it's far more likely that we'll inadvertently pick up scum on mutant.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to be gone regardless, there isn't a universe where scum kill gamma over me.

I'm trusting gemini not to gamethrow this for me after everything I've done for her
I'm trusting kokichi to set gamma's ass straight if he tries to lose this game
and I'm trusting shoshin to make sure you don't do something stupid

[RadiantCowbells]

kk nvm idc what nsg has to say hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

irrelephant how do you think mutant/gemini is ever likely

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm curious have you considered putting your demonstrably poor individual reads on people on hold for a second and thinking about what the gamestate is and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

that's a good answer tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought it was weird you said "as long as you lynch gemini first" to FL, since fmpov FL would then be the partner, but if you're reading me as gemini's partner I guess it makes sense?
If gemini's scum her partner seems to be bussing rn so that's... something. idk what yet (this is assuming RC and FL are both right that they would be able to catch scum!Gamma, which is kind of the main reason why I feel comfortable locktowning Gamma)

I don't currently read you as Gemini's partner, nor do I read FL as their partner. Their partner is something that I am yet to properly look into but it is something I plan to do.

And, ofc Gemini's partner is going to bus, Gemini is fucked. Like, I personally don't really see anyone other than Gemini as the lynch today.

spicy, justification in advance of why the person you're going to push as gemini's partner is voting for her.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, it’s odd, but I’m actually leaning towards Gemeni and Mutant. Why would they conform together?

As long as you lynch Gemini first, I am happy with this analysis.

And my vote wasn't conforming with Gemini's. I had an independent scum read on the worst (which obviously I was wrong about). My prefered lynch would have been Gemini but there really isn't a lot I could do in the way of pushing that when RC was hard defending the slot.

scum lynch into town lynch is a loss, but that doesn't matter right because we got the gemini lynch

no town is this nonchalant about everyone pushing him as scum with his top scumread.

[RadiantCowbells]

but this isn't even rly about mutant because I don't think he'll be hard to lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC - TW is at L-1 without either of us pushing, but both of us have given the idea we’d be going on it if need be. Thoughts?

Think Mutant’s busing or hopping onto a mislynch?

Hmm, you know what?

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: The Worst

note that boonskiies doesn't justify or make excuses for his self hammering generally but in this case he did on a scumhammer onto a townflip that countered scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

there’s zero reason for RC to be alive today if I was scum. RC even said it himself yesterday. ScumMe doesn’t let him live through last night.

Even if it would have incriminated ScumMe, pros outweigh the cons there.

RC, I’m town. Work with me if you’re also town.

who says that you didn't try lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay this is what we're doing

If you are a PROTECTIVE role (doc or variant) and you targeted anyone besides me you are claiming with your target
if you are a STOPPING role (roleblocker or variant) and you targeted anyone besides MutantDevle you are claiming with your target
If you are jailkeeper who targeted anyone besides me you should claim since it's almost certainly a roleblock

If none of the above conditions are true, you just say pass

pass obviously

[RadiantCowbells]

if no one has any spicy info for us then protectives are on me, stoppers are on FL, we lynch mutantdevle

[RadiantCowbells]

jailkeeper would go on FL

[RadiantCowbells]

Being even night doesn't mean you just claim anyway, you'll still potentially have another chance to act

[RadiantCowbells]

FL
Gemini
Irrelephant
Gamma

[RadiantCowbells]

Wtf, I don't understand this thinking here. You realise the mod's design for this setup isn't bound by such logic? A role with such juxtaposition could exist for this exact reason.

this was a scumclaim and I would have lynched him for this if ircher wasn't being a fuckup ftr

[RadiantCowbells]

so we're 100% clear if you're a protective who targeted me you say nothing.

[RadiantCowbells]

i said say pass not Pass

reported

[RadiantCowbells]

gemini?