Miccro 821: Welcome Micc Mafia! (D1)

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hello!!! im going to go ahead and read the other pages and try to make something of an actual post!

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okay...

I dont have any strong opinions on what i read, but i didn't really take my time, so i might go through again


i do want to look more into these past 3 pages. and i want to iso a few people, and try to make an opinion.

everyone? what are you current stances on the game. because im a bit behind, any opinions that are up to date are better than me looking at your opinions from several pages ago.

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I'll wait and see what the two replacements have to say.

yea. a lot of replacements all at once can be painful.

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2 718's posts are very interesting. he created this rating system to describe how scummy people are. other than that, i see nothing that resembles scum or town hunting. All together, there isnt much he has done that has helped progress the game.

I really like what im seeing from horror. his post show good opinions, as well as him trying to scum hunt and he is doing a good job of explaining his ideas, and is not vague.

Alonzo's posts all seem very short, but i dont know weather to think its bad or good. it is kind of dull, but still. id like to see some more of your thoughts.

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OK, let me start with

Alonzo

, who is both first alphabetically and the one who most seems to be requesting a scan.

Spoiler: This is Long

I think Maf men is town here based off personal meta**

small print
In my two previous games with maf men I called scum when he was town, Then in the next, read town where there was scum.

But that aside, Im thinking he's town here, as this is more in line with our first encounter.

Congratulations on your first game-advancing post all game! None of the previous posts (of which you made like 6-10) were game advancing at all.

Can you run the math on my slot, I wanna see how I score!

OK, I admit I missed this post completely.

Analyze my slot!

The day I read this post I was too busy to do so. Now that I have more time I can do so.

Jokes aside, E! seems to be giving reads selectively here, whilst also maintaining his clumsy ways. I cant see use for either when pushed.

The selective reads were because

Yo Horrordude did I ever tell you how much I hate your avatar??

Everytime I try to read one of your posts, I just end up tunneling the clown

I disable avatars altogether. Signatures, names, and other profile stats are enough to differentiate users.

Inferno's most pro-town post just happens to be asking for a replacement...

Starting to think the same about Mafmen

But are you thinking the same about Inferno? MafMen is just sort of neutral for me, although perhaps I should read that slot...

Final verdict: Not very much information, but what is there is townish. So I say Alonzo gets a

5

.

P-Edit: UC Voyager... how is that

not

scum hunting?

the reason i say that it isnt is because your just making reads. and that is not a towny thing to do. town do it yes, but so do scum. they make reads to slowly try to make a push on someone who is town. town/scum hunting is where you ask questions and look for things that can point to someone being town.

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Mafmen has said a few subtle things which makes me believe he's town. tbh his replacing out only cements that.

what post? tbh, i havent gone over his iso because i took over his spot so i know my role, but i would like to know why you think im town, and how does him replacing out make me town?

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I really dont like Bill's reasoning. i feel like he is trying to towntell when he makes these things like i read a few of his posts and some are towny....there isnt even a brief description. i also dont like him thinking that a replace out is AI at all. its really not. though that can be just a bad read.

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VOTE: MafMen

Maf stands for mafia. Direct admission of guilt.

rvs

Raise your hand if you

still

say Micc as either "mihk", "myk", or possibly "miss".

I am not an alt.

I think there is still one player who has not posted?

bla

So is this a case of LAUWSN? (Look At Us, We're So Null)

bla

Just so we all know, Penguin put MafMen to L-1.

k

I called it out because we are in a 7p game and did not want someone to accihammer.

I guess I like some early pressure. Although not sure if the pressure is real since at least 2 of the votes (including mine) were RVS.

Penguin, why did you wait to answer bill? I might not have been online and you would have waited for quite a while.

(Also, especially early on, I find it easier to make content when I have something directed at me to respond to, or something I can actively pursue ((which is not that common)). This happens with any alignment.)

kind of hunting. ehhh

Uh, when I "called Penguin out" on the L-1, I never meant to imply that I

disagreed

with it, but more that I wanted to

emphasize

the reality of it.
This is not inconsistent with me not removing the vote.

no hunting

I am lost...

Unofficial vote count.
MafMen (1): 2 718281828459
Inferno (2): bill1148, horrordude0215
PenguinPower (1): Alonzo

Not Voting: all others

nice vote count

For the record, at this point while I do have a slight scum lean on Inferno, I am not willing to vote there. Or really anyone else at this time.
UNVOTE:

(Is anyone here paranoid that any lynch or night action could result in something ridiculous and unexpected happening? Like a "boomerang" or "2x forced vengeful" ability? I hope not, because I know better than to waste my time worrying about such things.)

Ugh... early day 1 is so hard. Can I just like hibernate until we get into the later day 1?

k. we got an unvote. not really any hunting though

Actually, instead of just saying day 1 is "so hard", I should actually give it a try. P-Edit: Here you go.

Code: Select all

         Neutral
       ___________
Scum  /  3  4  5  \  Town
Lean / 2         6 \ Lean
    /           /   \
   / 1         /   7 \
   |          /      |
Scum 0       /     8 Town
   ---------O---------

(the 6 is not related to anything in particular)

• Alonzo: We kind of have to excuse the low-quality posts etc due to life circumstances. Although, he did do 2 RVS votes...
  NA
• bill: Also sort of left, and has made 2 posts that are game-advancing (42 and 58). Lurking is anti-town, but not scummy.
  3.5
• horrordude: I like the way that they build an argument for voting Inferno even though I am not ready to vote there myself. The methods that they used are pro-town.
  5
• Inferno: "Scum." is just too abrasive. And then you say you were not serious. Then you vote, and then take it back because you "almost" hammered. If you had not hammered, why take the vote away?
  2.5
  for now.
• MafMen: Rebutting the RVS vote is a little silly, but why say I am a town read and then suddenly reply that it makes no sense? And why is it scummy to point out in a factual way that someone is at L-1? Even with all this, it could be completely innocent, so
  4
  is my read here.
• PenguinPower: Hey, did you know someone
  almost
  accihammered? The posts have several fallacies but I cannot find anything really
  scummy
  here.
  4

we got some reads here. not hunting

PenguinPower: Hey, did you know someone almost accihammered? The posts have several fallacies but I cannot find anything really scummy here. 4

They didn't almost "accihammered" if you think they are scum. Given your read on Inferno, that seems to be the case.

Also, feel free to point out any fallacies in my posts instead of making a sweeping statement. Hard to respond to those, and I don't think that I have made any fallacious statements.

First off, it is possible for scum to truly hammer accidentally -- it is just

also

possible for them to fake it.
Second, most of the fallacies were about how you handled me stating in an informative way that someone was at L-1.

Actually, instead of just saying day 1 is "so hard", I should actually give it a try. P-Edit: Here you go.

• Alonzo: We kind of have to excuse the low-quality posts etc due to life circumstances. Although, he did do 2 RVS votes...
  NA
• bill: Also sort of left, and has made 2 posts that are game-advancing (42 and 58). Lurking is anti-town, but not scummy.
  3.5
• horrordude: I like the way that they build an argument for voting Inferno even though I am not ready to vote there myself. The methods that they used are pro-town.
  5
• Inferno: "Scum." is just too abrasive. And then you say you were not serious. Then you vote, and then take it back because you "almost" hammered. If you had not hammered, why take the vote away?
  2.5
  for now.
• MafMen: Rebutting the RVS vote is a little silly, but why say I am a town read and then suddenly reply that it makes no sense? And why is it scummy to point out in a factual way that someone is at L-1? Even with all this, it could be completely innocent, so
  4
  is my read here.
• PenguinPower: Hey, did you know someone
  almost
  accihammered? The posts have several fallacies but I cannot find anything really
  scummy
  here.
  4

Would love to hear your reasons as to how I come across as "lurking." Personally, I felt that way about you immediately after your "Mafmen at L-1 kthxbai" post, though I was willing to wait longer to say anything to see if that held consistent later.

When I made that list, you had only made a few posts, and they were almost all filler. I realize that "Lurking is anti-town, but not scummy" seemed more like an accusation than the intent which was to just inform.
Oh yeah, and in complicated day 1s, I prefer to make daily big posts than 6 tiny posts per day. (It becomes the opposite when down to 3-5 players with not much going on.)

oooh this is new... where did you get this from?

I made it.

{Penguin, Alonzo, Inferno}
{horror, bill}
{2}

2 - His early callout of the l-1 is phrased really awkwardly, not liking his tone, especially the one I quoted in 122. Slight Scum.
Penguin - Town by default if 2 is scum, seems really dedicated to this game. Slight Town.
horror/bill - One of these is scum, one of these is town, I'm not sure which, but I'm confident in the fact they can't both be town, null.
Inferno - Town by default, like his tone. Slight Town.
Alonzo - Guttown, not a strongread. Slight Town.

Post 122 was this, right?

it's still a callout nonetheless

but if youre so cautious you could unvote yourself rather than just sticking to it and notifying everyone about it being l-1 which is as if you intended for him to look scummy because of it.

At the time, I liked the L-1 just because it might cause a little bit of pressure even though I knew well that two of the three votes were random. As far as I can tell, it did generate content, although not completely what I expected.

@Penguin: OK, I guess I misattributed a post to you. I thought you made either this point twice or you got off-put twice by my MafMen-at-L-1 comment.

I called it out because we are in a 7p game and did not want someone to accihammer.

Why are you concerned about a derphammer? This isn't the Newbie queue, and my vote was literally right below the votecount.

Like, I wrongly thought that

PenguinPower

had either
(1) gotten on me for my L-1 notice

multiple times

even after I explained it, or
(2) gotten on me

multiple times

for talking about accihammers even after I explained that scum can truly hammer accidentally.

It must have been someone else.

I am starting to get lost here...

It does not help that I think I accidentally lost a post I was writing, and I cannot remember what it was.

Here, I will look at Inferno in-depth. The quotes are just in the order that I decided to click the Q+ buttons.

Spoiler: A Bit Long

Score: 4.00

(uses the same 0-8 scale)

Horror, I really don’t have a response for you, because to be quite honest, what you’re saying is a very accurate way of looking at the situation. If I was trying to read myself unbiased, I would come to the exact same conclusions you did.
Which is one of the reasons I’m finding you Town this game, because you have a very genuine grasp on the game so far.

OK, so is this just admitting that it is legit to read you as scum? Why not explain how your actions would make sense from the perspective of a townie? This loses you 0.20 points.

Score: 3.80

Hi
I haven’t had time yet to do a major catchup on the thread
And so may not for a fair amount of time.
What I do have is:
E might be scum?
Horror is pro town.
I suck at this game.
Will elaborate next chance I get.

You never elaborated on this for many posts. Why might I be scum? You lose another 0.30 points for that.

Score: 3.50

Okay Penguin
So far I find that MafMen feels very waffly and does not seem to have very good answers to your questions. I would also say that the tone of his posts comes from scum, but that’s just me.

Either way, I would probably sort this into the scum pile.
VOTE: MafMen

This seems like a legit read but you completely ignored me and horrordude. So you get 0.10 points for the read.

Score: 3.60

Oh I nearly had a heart attack
I thought I hammered MafMen there
I’ve got to pay more attention to vcs.
UNVOTE:

So wait. What happened?
(1) You tried to hammer and then realized you did not, so you un-voted. Why hammer so easily? That would cost you 2-3 points there. So I

give the benefit of the doubt

and assume it is...
(2) You almost thought you accidentally hammered, and realized you did not. So you un-voted even though you did not even need to. But I thought MafMen was scum in your view? You lose 0.3 points for this inconsistency.

Score: 3.30

Let's rewind some more.

Since discussion needs to happen:

Your PM.
Should have a player name in it.
That is your alt.
I am quadz08.
Penguin is Kison.
Who are you?

Um...no. I thought we were just joking. Why would you claim your Role Pm?

So far it's looking like ListMod name is NAI though. That's good.

Scum.
Why would flavor ever be AI? And what is so wrong with claiming it?
VOTE: Penguin

Scum.
OK, maybe not that definitively, but I did that to mock your post. See how differently it feels when

you

are the target? You do not need to be that abrasive so quickly. And you said "Scum" and not something like "I hate this" which is an emotional statement. Your behavior there loses you 0.3 points.

Score: 3.00

Bill, if you have something useful to say about my play, do so.
Otherwise, shut up. No one wants your crappy trash.

Alonzo: Heck no. I only have two strong reads across 6 people. Not nearly enough.

Inferno, if you cannot be nice, then shut up. No one wants your bitterness unless you are scum and you keep doing it so that we lynch you.
(Again, this is mocking your tone. Tone in and of itself is not AI, but it intensifies my scum read on you. Taking off 0.1 for that.

Score: 2.90

Final Score:

2.90

.
Let's now turn to bill and see if we get a higher score there.

Short answer: I intend to vote for Inferno as soon as I confirm that it will not hammer.

Spoiler: Kind of long

Let's start with our standard

4.00

and see where we go.

Ok gang. Mrs Alonzo is in the hospital RN bringing forth Spawn of Alonzo. Not sure how this is going to effect things gamewise, but your patience is appreciated.

Alonzo

Congrats.

unvote
Vote Inferno

-0.1

for the fact that doing a second RVS is usually not done and you never explained your vote. All non-RVS votes should be explained.

3.9

Why did you vote for Mafmen?

I like wagons as a vehicle to move on from RVS. I find they are good starting points to generate content from players beyond "voting for the lulz." I also like to use VCA as a large portion of my figuring things out.

Meh. 271 brings up a good point about 2 votes being RVS. Not necessarily real "pressure," in my opinion.

[...]

I fail the see the benefit of listing which mod we are, other than for scummy rolefishing purposes.

Here Penguin
This is the shading I’m talking about
I find it ironic that you actually quoted this and yet still couldn’t find it

Also, I’m not a fan of it either, but I honestly don’t have a way to follow up on or step gracefully away from s***ty play
If anyone has a tip or two for that, it would be great if they could share

"I'm just bad" is not an encouraging defense.

Where was "I'm just bad"?

Uh, when I "called Penguin out" on the L-1, I never meant to imply that I

disagreed

with it, but more that I wanted to

emphasize

the reality of it.
This is not inconsistent with me not removing the vote.

Sowing the seeds of dissent?

Uhhh... what?

Neither of these last two changes the score, they are just confusing.

Okay Penguin
So far I find that MafMen feels very waffly and does not seem to have very good answers to your questions. I would also say that the tone of his posts comes from scum, but that’s just me.

Either way, I would probably sort this into the scum pile.
VOTE: MafMen

Oh I nearly had a heart attack
I thought I hammered MafMen there
I’ve got to pay more attention to vcs.
UNVOTE:

First, I have the complete opposite interpretation- he feels town to me. Second, in the span of three minutes between these posts, you went from voting him and calling him prob-scum, to going back two pages, reading the official vote count, realizing that your vote would be fourth, then formulating another post plus unvoting when it wasn't even necessary?

This earns you

+0.2

for your calling out Inferno's... weird play.

4.1

Still trying to decide between whether Inferno is actually dense, or a scum trying to play obv-dumb.

And no idea where the pro-town reading of horror is coming from. Scummiest player here besides Inferno.

And no idea where the pro-scum reading of horror is coming from. One of the most null players here.
(I kind of like mocking posts.)

-0.1

4.0

Inferno has resorted to full-on nut licking.

...ok? Like can you elaborate.

Bill, if you have something useful to say about my play, do so.
Otherwise, shut up. No one wants your crappy trash.

Well saying "terrible" over and over again would be mundane.

And actually, I do think it was useful because it sums up your two previous posts perfectly.

Yeah, I kind of have to award you some town points for this.

+0.25

because Inferno's play is both annoying and nontown.

Final Score: 4.25

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VOTE: Inferno (also, that

2.90

was not supposed to be a greenish color...)

L

-

1

I want to say something about 2.718 and our previous game together but I'm having trouble articulating what I mean without giving a really wishy washy read.

TheTLDR is E! iwasn't the easiest townread, And posts like oh look this wagon is L1 just seems so E! Without wanting to put him down his style is quite 'clumsy' from my experience.

Now theres this new 'scum dial' he devised and I dont think E! from last game uses the term 'fallacy', which suggests to me he's been on the wiki reading articles and swatting up.

I assume "reading articles and swatting up" is meant in a non-AI way? Because I did decide to change my strategy a bit. I know they always say that you have to play to win this game and not try to build a meta for future games. However, I decided to try to do

both

: building a new meta (I hated the old one... 1876 was a total scum failure) while also playing to win the current games.

Im not however gonna give a read on how he flips here, because I really dont know.

Well, at least you care to admit it.

(Why does my name keep getting factorialed?)

Alonzo: From what I could tell, it seemed like if Inferno were somehow innocent, then bill would be scum. So I looked at both and thought about who was more scummy, and it came out as Inferno. So I voted for Inferno. This should be a better pressure wagon than the "pressure wagon" on MafMen.

Let's get the content going!

Replace out.

Whoa, whoa...

Is this telling

MafMen

to replace out, or declaring that

you

are replacing out?

All right, the reason I only gave 2 ISO reads is that I thought that Inferno was scum but I wanted to read bill because bill seemed like the one to be scum if Inferno was not, given their interactions.

ISO reads coming soon.

i would go through everything else and point out how it is not scum hunting but ima be leaving here and a sec and wont try to finish this from mobile.

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sorry that kind of destroyed it self in the end. its hard to do those massive posts because they tend to break. :p

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i dont even know how that happened. really.......:p

this is called barely back to the game after a few months and shouldnt be trying to do fancy long posts like that

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Bill...I really hope your joking...

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I'm sorry I didnt post at all yesterday. I was planning to when I got home, but my friends wanted to do crap til like 7 or 8. Then my dad to watch game of thrones because he wants me to finish what's out before the end of the month so he can cancel the HBO subscription.

Whatever. Today, not much should be happening. So after school I'll be able to play...

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woa. okay. im kind of not home. im in 7th period but i read threw what happened and i got to say Rob has done a lot. im not sure how i feel about what he has done either. he is trying to point out scum motives but some of them just seemed a little skeptical. his entrance was very strange. he went for penguin and didnt say why. he did say "ill bite". was that rvs or is there some explanation to that. penguin hasnt been overly scummy in my opinion and would definitely consider him a town lean. i dont know how much i trust 2 718, but he does have something of a good point about you. im not sure. i will reread them in more detail when i get home and make sure i didnt missread anything and that i have all the information to work with to try to form a read.

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oh i see. that is my bad...i feel rather dumb right now. well then

as penguin said

Bill. pls explain

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Alonzo. If you dont have a solid scan read, what do you think about Bill right now. Scummy? Not? What reads are you getting from him

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VOTE: Bill
Until he answer me and Penguins question and does more stuff that is town.

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VOTE: Bill
Until he answer me and Penguins question and does more stuff that is Towny and is helpful.

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ouch. pls dont try to say your following your town meta. IN FACT, dont even bring up meta in this game. it is notoriously bad and ineffective.
Bill, i can kind of see where your coming from but i mean. its the worst attempt to bait int the history of baiting. I dont know how you thought that work unless you were jsut going to try to get a town tell.

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Since only 3 days left

unvote

Vote 2.718

So we have enough time to consider the claim.

Thank god this day phase is almost almost over so we can get some night actions in, I forgot how much days can drag.

3 days isnt a reason to rush! we shoudlnt take our time, but we should not be trying to rush a lynch when there is still more than enough time to keep hunting. If we are still sitting where we are tomorrow, then possibly, but i think that wont be the case

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Guys

Bill has claimed replacing out is AI, given reads with little to no reason behind them, tried the shittiest bait ever, then turns around after barely town hunting and scum hunting at all since i got into game and places a vote on someone easier to lynch purely because there is three days left.

I think we should look into Bill some more.

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ouch. pls dont try to say your following your town meta. IN FACT, dont even bring up meta in this game. it is notoriously bad and ineffective.
Bill, i can kind of see where your coming from but i mean. its the worst attempt to bait int the history of baiting. I dont know how you thought that work unless you were jsut going to try to get a town tell.

Huh? What are you talking about?

i was telling alonzo to not bring up emta

and said i kind of understood what you were trying to do with the baiting idea, but it was really shitty.

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Bill. check it. you have literally done NOTHING that makes you look town. and things that make you look kind of scummy, but your not going to get me and hopefully not anyone else to vote just because of time without you even proposing a case.

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Penguin. What are your current town and scum reads.

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Oh. i was wondering why I want prodded after being without internet for 2 or so days.....I feel kinda dumb now because of how it turned out. Guess we cant always be right. Hmm. 1v6. Doesn't seem to fair. I didnt even get to use my cop ability. 2 716 would have prob been my target