Micro 824.2: Grand Idea Mafia (The Reroll) [Finish]

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VOTE: DrDoLittle

Entrance is awkward, seems that he is unaware of the Super VT

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Oh I think I phrased it badly

I mean it looked like Dr got new information when mod announced the super VT. Town will be less surprised than scum because all the town will have rolled VT. Scum don’t have advanced warning of this.

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Okay I’ll make one last attempt to explain:

At the start there was no Super VT announcement, so DDL didn’t know about it. Then when the Super Vt was announced, he made some posts. It seems that he was not warned beforehand (I.e. got a VT pm) about the Super VT, and it makes more sense as scum who is learning more information about the setup. Furthermore there are some weird phrasings “why am i playing gim as vt lol”, which sound awkward and more likely from scum.

I can’t explain it further than this, sorry. The rest of it is gut, my first instinct when I read his post.

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@RCEnigma
Why haven’t you unvoted yourself already?

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@Nako I think only the Super VT gets "all town roles are now vt" in their role pm

Oh duh the super vt is you
nvm

@singleton, seems like everyone learned something new about the setup when the super vt announcement was made... why is it scummy for DDL in particular? Sounds like you're projecting how you felt (as scum) onto him

Gut, I can’t explain any further.

If it helps, my reaction to seeing my VT role pm was “lol”, then my reaction to seeing the Super VT was “oh...”

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@RCEnigma
Why haven’t you unvoted yourself already?

Nostalgia. Asking twice is redundant by the way.

Why aren’t you engaged in the game yet? I know my scumread on DDL has stirred up some controversy, so why haven’t you taken part in the conversation?

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And the good doctor.

If you think my read on DDL is a reach, why do you want to lynch him?

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You know what

My read on DDL isn't strong. It was a gut feeling when I read through the first page, which I don't see as strongly when I read it again. And I make such weird pushes because I like to get out of RVS as soon as possible, even though it might get me in trouble.


Definitely getting townvibes from Irrelephant now. On the other hand, I don't like how nonny expressed a scumread on me but didn't vote me.

UNVOTE: DDL
VOTE: nonny

Enigma also gives me weird vibes that could be scum as well.

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Anyone know if town gets our PRs back if/when Nako flips?

Nako can ask the mod herself. Based on what I’ve seen in the thread both variations exist

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I definitely interpret accusations of being opportunistic as being scummy. Why are people saying otherwise?

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DDL’s 54 to 57 make me want to vote him. I don’t like how he completely ignored my earlier accusation of him.

RCEnigma currently has me conflicted. I got some scum vibes from his earlier posts but townvibes from his later posts. Overall I find his playstyle quite weird and I can’t read him as of yet.

I find Irrelephant’s scumhunting to be quite genuine, so he’s a townread.

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I think I want to UNVOTE: nonny, and
VOTE: DrDoLittle again

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Why

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I’m not backtracking to DDL. I’m voting him over his new posts.

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If you’re saying that you didn’t like my reads because they were too generic, that’s because I’m tired right now. I’m recollecting pings I got earlier when I wrote them. If you want I can explain them better tomorrow.

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you're voting him for not responding to an accusation, like right after you'd already said "nevermind this isn't a strong read at all"

Yeah, but he didn’t know I’d had said that when he goes through the thread. I think it will be natural for town to do so.

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like to me, my main issue with BnL (Single) this game is that

A) It really seems like you're doing nothing to solve the game
B) It seems like as soon as somebody questions your kind of shoddy reasoning, you just pull out altogether and try to redirect it

I don’t have many strong reads yet, so a lot of my reads at this points are really stretches. The truth is that my reads are still weak at this point, just that I don’t show it. So I see what you mean by A, and explains B

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Okay, good explanation. I slightly townread you for that.

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I'm going to go through why I have a hard time reading RCE, which I promised yesterday:

@RCEnigma
Why haven’t you unvoted yourself already?

Nostalgia. Asking twice is redundant by the way.

I think the reads a reach, why do I have to be involved in your scumread? And why is my input more important than any other slot?

I'll nip this in the bud. I think at this point we have no choice but to lynch them both.

VOTE: Singletonking

And the good doctor.

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

These posts made no sense to me, I found them really awkward.

Was just trying to get you to admit your scumread wasn't as solid as you thought.

Right now I'd lean irrelephant and Scoobert slight towns. I don't necessarily think singleton is scum but I can see the pivot from either alignment especially considering the attention that was turning on him.

Nako can be town too I guess.

Also Scoobert you quoted 39 and 40 which made it seem like I was voting DDL while my vote was clearly on Singleton I just want to make sure there's no confusion there.

UNVOTE:

This is the first post that made me townread RCE. I liked their progression in this post.

That invisibility guy is a little fishy. Actually on reread Singletonking is still fishy out if the active talkers. The swing away from Doctor feels alright as a reevaluation, but I feel the pivot onto nonny is again a stretch considering Nonny never explicitly called him out as a scumread. It was more like asking for clarification on his read.

He's written it off as his style but there are better ways to handle rvs like a question maybe.

VOTE: invisibilty VOTE: heya Invis, did you roll mafia this time? Does anyone else know you're mafia?

But this post made me reconsider again. This turn onto Invis feels off, considering that Invis hasn't posted at all at this point.

I'll nip this in the bud. I think at this point we have no choice but to lynch them both.

VOTE: Singletonking

Well if you think he's scum then we trade one for one right? I think that's a town sided exchange unless it's like 5 mafia 4 town, then we'll...unfortunate. To be fair I'd rather vote you first hence the vote.

Is this an attempt at reaction fishing?

He Reconsidered his read did he not? Irrelephant asked who I thought was scummiest. Singleton is up there which I answered, invisibility hasn't shown up, I don't feel either him or Vax should get to skate by.

What did you think of Singletons read on you? It seems like you skipped over the relevant bits to point the finger.

^Liked this questioning here

It gets complicated because we don't know what we're up against. Or what town has for that matter.

The most troll thing I can think of is we are forced to lynch Nako and everyone is vanilla town anyway.

I liked the flow of this post


So this is why I was quite conflicted on RCE, but after forcing myself to actually go through this I have a slight townlean on him.

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why is wanting me to not be absent scummy?

He didn't say he wanted you to post? He called you fishy.

The post wasn't really scummy but more like awkward.

Also not seeing the Irrelephant scumread

Sorry

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I think this is the first time I have ever alt/hydra slipped, oops. Never realised how easy it was even though I use different skins for them

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Yeah, I mean I am townleaning him.

But what you said isnt what he said

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Nope, it's serious. Don't you guys remember that I was mafia with Scoobert in first game? He knew we did not have a daychat. The only reason for asking that can be for clearing themselves.

Wow, good catch there. I didn’t understand it at first, but with this light Scooby should know that scum teams do not have daytalk by default.

I’m not sure it’s very scummy though, so I’ll ask Scooby this first: Why did you ask the Mod if scumteams have daytalk?

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Have anyone ever played a game with single? What do you think about their early push on Doc?

Vax had a game with me 2 years ago. I also assume Scooby is an alt of someone who knows me by calling me by my main’s name. I believe that’s it.

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Quick reminder to everyone that Nako is confirmed Super VT (Town)

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So with Scooby's cover revealed I can say I have 1 completed game with Aeronaut, as well as one game I played modded by him.

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Anyway the "I was legitamately curious" sounds fake, so
UNVOTE: DrDoLittle
VOTE: Scoobert D Doobert

L-1

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After Invis' last feel posts I'm starting to lean scum on him. It feels like he's sitting on the sidelines, not wanting to engage with the game.

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*last few

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@Korina

Would a hypothetical Scum team have daytalk?

It's funny that you are asking this

Maybe it's just
VOTE: Scoobert D Doobert

people ask this like, all the time

Nope, it's serious. Don't you guys remember that I was mafia with Scoobert in first game? He knew we did not have a daychat. The only reason for asking that can be for clearing themselves.

oooh

who are you talking about

These are small posts which make you appear engaged in the game, but without actually engaging the game

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They feel like they amount to nothing, as compared to the other posters who actually have content in their posts.

At the same time, they feel more like they are trying to look like actual content than e.g. Vaxkiller

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Nope, it's serious. Don't you guys remember that I was mafia with Scoobert in first game? He knew we did not have a daychat. The only reason for asking that can be for clearing themselves.

oooh

And this post I liked the least of all. I disliked the lack of a more in-depth response in this post given that a whole wagon on Scooby sprouted based on this.

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Nope, it's serious. Don't you guys remember that I was mafia with Scoobert in first game? He knew we did not have a daychat. The only reason for asking that can be for clearing themselves.

oooh

And this post I liked the least of all. I disliked the lack of a more in-depth response in this post given that a whole wagon on Scooby sprouted based on this.

what would you have preferred I would have said?

-Why you did not vote Scooby despite agreeing with the point on him
-What you think of the wagon on him
-Or nothing at all instead of the random fluff

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Oh that's a really good boyo.

This posting style is just how Invis plays, I had issue with it the first time I played with him but it seems to be his meta.

I think it's less that he's coasting and more that he doesn't have solid reads as of yet.

Singleton Im not following you at all. From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle. I don't get your pokes towards Nonny or Invis and I would assume Vax is next on that list. None of it is producing content and just comes off as weak scumhunting.

I think it was nonny that said there is one between Scoobert and Singleton and I'd take that bet.

First of all, "From your perspective there has to be one scum between myself, Scoobert, and drDoolittle.", I'm not understanding this at all. What are you trying to say here?

Secondly, I tend to be agressive with my pokes early on when I don't have strong reads yet.

Lastly, how can you say that my pokes are not producing content??

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Can some people link me to Invis meta? I can compare their plays to see if Invis plays like this as town.

Also I believe Nako was the one who said there was scum between me and Scoobert, on condition that we have strong meta on each other, which we don't.

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If you scumread both doc and Scoobert, I scumread yourself and/or Scoobert, doc and Scoobert scumread you then there is a parallel at some point. There is absolutely no way that all town are pushing for these lynches and only these, spewing the rest of the slots is town.

Sorry, I’m still not sure I understand this

Like are you saying that among people who mutually scumread each other, at least one must be scum? Because that’s definitely not true.

And also my new reads have changed and not all my scumreads are of the same strength. I think now, they are something like

Town
Irrelephant11
Nonny, RCE
Vaxkiller
DDL
Invisibility, Scooby
Scum

Also let’s not forget that despite the Super VT this is still GIM, so it may not be 2:7 and probably isn’t.

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RCE what’s your read on Invis? Town or null?

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Are you saying that Invis gets earlier to read as the game goes on?

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Nope, it's serious. Don't you guys remember that I was mafia with Scoobert in first game? He knew we did not have a daychat. The only reason for asking that can be for clearing themselves.

oooh

And this post I liked the least of all. I disliked the lack of a more in-depth response in this post given that a whole wagon on Scooby sprouted based on this.

what would you have preferred I would have said?

-Why you did not vote Scooby despite agreeing with the point on him
-What you think of the wagon on him
-Or nothing at all instead of the random fluff

-i didnt want to put scooby at L-1 so early
-its cool
-would it have been better if i said "oh yeah, i agree?" because thats exactly the same message i'd be conveying

Well these are fair answers, but why do you say them only now that I've asked them? I feel these should come unprompted from town.

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Well I was initially scumreading you for that, but other people have been telling me that it's NAI due to having known your meta.

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Then I realised it was probably a playstyle conflict and it's possible that it comes from town, which means I still can't read you.

But why have you been only responding to me and not engaging with others?

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The game?

You're not a proactive player, are you? Like you're coming across as scummy to me that if not for the people who know your meta I'll probably be voting you right now.

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OMG Invis are you trying to be intentionally scummy or what? Like everything you post makes me want to vote you.

...gonna hold back though, I really need to adapt to playstyles.

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Oh and are you still scumreading me?

pedit: @Invis

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OMG Invis are you trying to be intentionally scummy or what? Like everything you post makes me want to vote you.

...gonna hold back though, I really need to adapt to playstyles.

I don't think their post before this post was that voteable?

When I told Invis that he hasn't engaged with the game outside much, he went "oh okay", and gave one random comment about the game.

This felt really awkward, but I'm training myself to stop seeing it as scummy.

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yes

Okay then

//

The fact that you were scumreading me but still engaging with me in a defensive manner was actually a contributing factor for me, but it also makes sense from a town perspective.

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Really? Why do you say so?

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Is it mostly off meta?

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I'm not really scumreading Vaxkiller, but pressuring him at this point is certainly not a bad idea.

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yes

For this post specifically.

I'm not seeing what's town about this post. What are you seeing here that I'm not?

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UNVOTE: Scoobert

Not really scumreading him anymore tbh

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ohhhh pressure a VT, I feel sooo obligated to do something.

I really dont feel one way or another and i jsut want to lynch someone and then get some bearings.

No. You need to give some opinions on the game.

That's how Day 1 is supposed to be played anyway.

If you have no strong reads now then fine, but I expect more in the future.

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why did this explode? Sorry a bit busy these days... will catch up in a bit.

hmm I still think irrelephant is my biggest scum read

Wait... you caught up in 5 minutes?

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It’s funny that you’re saying that because I think you are making that up.

Quote the posts you are talking about.

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Can Irrelephant11 be prodded?

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176 - At this point I'm pretty sure you've scumcased like half the playerlist? @single
181 - @single are you saying you're scumcasing people just to get AI content from them?

Yeah, that’s how I play the game. At the start I have little information to go off so I push people off the smallest things. Then I try to assess their response to get a better read on them.

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If you scumread both doc and Scoobert, I scumread yourself and/or Scoobert, doc and Scoobert scumread you then there is a parallel at some point. There is absolutely no way that all town are pushing for these lynches and only these, spewing the rest of the slots is town.

Sorry, I’m still not sure I understand this

Like are you saying that among people who mutually scumread each other, at least one must be scum? Because that’s definitely not true.

And also my new reads have changed and not all my scumreads are of the same strength. I think now, they are something like

Town
Irrelephant11
Nonny, RCE
Vaxkiller
DDL
Invisibility, Scooby
Scum

Also let’s not forget that despite the Super VT this is still GIM, so it may not be 2:7 and probably isn’t.

Is vax still null? I see he's the biggest wagon
Also why am I your top townread? Not sure I've seen you explain that
single/invis conversation makes invis look townier and singleton look reachier. idk maybe it's just tone but it feels like he's grasping at straws, and not just poking to get content, either. 203 especially feels like "well I said I was scumreading you so I'm just gonna keep pretending to be paranoid for a bit now that the case has fallen through"

No, I am indeed scumreading Vaxkiller now. I feel like everything he’s saying has been obvious scum, I just don’t want to vote there for now.

You were my top townread because I liked your early game posts. I know you’ve been accusing me of this but I can’t unfold my feelings to understand them. My townread of you has decreased, however, as soon as you went into V/LA, and when you came back it seemed like you’ve been intentionally avoiding the thread rather than actually busy. RCEnigma is my new top townread because the way he way he engaged with me was quite town, like how he came to address my points on Invis knowing his meta.

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I guess if I'm to believe you that sucks a lot of scumminess out of your slot
idk yet if I believe you...
Do you have any examples of this being your type of play from other games?
At any rate I'm more interested in vax either showing up and playing or getting lynched over you rn

I can link you some of my recent games?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76573
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=76720
Are the only games I have completed since my break

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66377
And this was a game where I tryharded at the start

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Irrelephant what are you talking about there were only 3 prior votes. Check the pagetop VC

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My townread of you has decreased, however, as soon as you went into V/LA, and when you came back it seemed like you’ve been intentionally avoiding the thread rather than actually busy.

scumreading someone for being busy (especially during sitewide v/la) is crap

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw you posting elsewhere on the site when you were VLA and not posting here. And when you posted quickly when I asked for a prod on you it seemed like you were reading the thread but not posting.

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I just don’t want to vote there for now.

why is that

Eh idk, while I am scumreading him I somehow have bad feelings about voting him, like my gut. Or maybe it's my lack of confidence kicking in.

And theres also a 5% where I was thinking that given how Vax was so blatantly scummy I was worried he might be Jester, but it's not something I'm decently convinced of myself.

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Irr if that's really the case I will ignore it.

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Oh, and if anyone wants to play a Role Madness game, sign up for Charging Up in the Mini Theme queue!

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Pretty sure I have never mentioned Jesters before this? What I said about RCE was him self-voting, not him being a Jester.

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Anyway
VOTE: Invisibility
I still don't have many good or strong reads, and I still think I scumread Invis. Thought that beneath his outer natural scummy playstyle still were scum motivations. His posts after that have, well, been kinda invisible to me.

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But at the same time, I intend to hammer Vax if he does not show up with good stuff.

I am quite confident on him being scum based on his play. I would like to see what he has to say first, as in what he promised in 302.

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How am I not prodded yet? Umm regardless I'm pretty ok with this lynch actually.

Vax' catchup would have to blow me out of the water honestly. The only thing that worries me about the lynch is singletons play around Vax in particular.

What about my behaviour makes you not want you lynch Vax?

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Lurking by itself isn’t scummy. What’s scummy is how much emotion you are throwing against your lynch. It’s like saying “How DARE you lynch me”

I’m willing to let you talk more, though.

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I just don’t want to vote there for now.

why is that

Eh idk, while I am scumreading him I somehow have bad feelings about voting him, like my gut. Or maybe it's my lack of confidence kicking in.

And theres also a 5% where I was thinking that given how Vax was so blatantly scummy I was worried he might be Jester, but it's not something I'm decently convinced of myself.

This kind of interaction. From my perspective it looks like you're feigning hesitation because of the flip and you want more people to come forward with scumreads on Vax before you dip into the pool yourself. What is it exactly that influenced you to vote now when you didn't in 276?

I really don’t know. I just didn’t feel like voting him for reasons I cannot explain.

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Also Vax, it’s not true that you don’t have strong reads. You had a scumread on Scooby and me.

And I’m not scumreading you for this, but instead trying to work with you if you’re town, that you may have reads you didn’t realise you had. Can you go through them?

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@Vax

I was sheeping Nako when she said the point about Scoobert forgetting Daytalk from the other game. Then he made a lot more townie posts such as analysis so I gave up on that read.

And I initially null read you because you had no content which as acceptable, but after that you started throwing a lot of AtE which made me push you down to scum.

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Also Vax I'm starting to think you could be town here so please post more.

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Ok this is getting really annoying at this point. I understand why people were voting me at the start, but after the conversation with Invis I feel like I have moved off my lynchbait self into my normal gamesolving self, and yet it seems that no matter what I do or post, people call it scummy.

Are people just confbiased or do they actually scumread everything I post?

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@irrelphant: nako simply asked what people thought about vax and then suddenly he had a wagon. Those voting vac had no thoughts to do so before nako asked about him. It felt artificial how it rolled out.

Also, nako may be confirmed town but that doesn’t mean he has any more information than the rest of us, which is something to keep in mind.

Given this was re-rolled and most likely the roles stayed the same we probably have 2 scum and the cult Korina mentioned. The super VT wasn’t brought up in v.1 but day one was so quick it possibly got overlooked, so most likely everyone besides those 4 are VT. (Then the roles RC and Vis had in v.1, which I believe were neutral)

THis is why im a terrible lynch, peaple jsut started voting for me then start making up shit. What have I done? Nothing. I wish I was scum so I could fabricate some of my own shit to fight back, but im just a stupid VT in a Grand Idea mafia game.... yuck. If you guys lynch me you are well on your way to losing the game.... so there is that.

can we lynch this

Some of his later posts were good, what do you think of them?

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I just don’t want to vote there for now.

why is that

Eh idk, while I am scumreading him I somehow have bad feelings about voting him, like my gut. Or maybe it's my lack of confidence kicking in.

And theres also a 5% where I was thinking that given how Vax was so blatantly scummy I was worried he might be Jester, but it's not something I'm decently convinced of myself.

This kind of interaction. From my perspective it looks like you're feigning hesitation because of the flip and you want more people to come forward with scumreads on Vax before you dip into the pool yourself. What is it exactly that influenced you to vote now when you didn't in 276?

Very much agree with this. Even more with Singletons backing down in 349.

{snip}

Why is 349 scummy, considering Vax actually started playing the game?

To be clear, I was scumreading Vax since he posted "ooh pressure a VT"

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Okay

I just remembered a game I played with Vax some time ago

He was town but also showed a lot of emotion that made people scumread him.

To be fair it was not against his lynch but against other people's lynches he thought were town. But this makes me want to lynch Vax less now.

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(who are you though?)

I'm Aeronaut, Scoobert is just my alt. I sorta ruined it though by slipping (was supposed to be secret), so w/e I'll just play as me!

Anyway
VOTE: Invisibility
I still don't have many good or strong reads, and I still think I scumread Invis. Thought that beneath his outer natural scummy playstyle still were scum motivations. His posts after that have, well, been kinda invisible to me.

But at the same time, I intend to hammer Vax if he does not show up with good stuff.

I am quite confident on him being scum based on his play. I would like to see what he has to say first, as in what he promised in 302.

VOTE: Singleton

Yea, so Singleton's progression makes no sense to me, really at all. It's like he's just giving opinions to stick with what the group is doing, most notably the above two posts where he really contradicts himself quite a bit. In 312, he's struggling to find strong reads, to the point where his best read is that he 'thinks' he scumreads Invis. Just one post later, he is 'quite confident' in Vax being scum.

My issue with that is that A) the progression doesn't even exist, and B) he's just setting himself up to make the hammer and then tomorrow have deniability since his reads have been so unsure the whole game.

No, I was unsure of most of my reads and Vax was my only confident one.

Also do you think I’d post something that blatantly contradictory as scum?

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Okay so I'll have to admit my play this game was pretty bad. A lot of my play had not made sense and my reads have been somewhat stagnant, and I'm not surprised I'm being wagoned here. Lynching me today may not be that bad actually, as I'll probably become a distraction and others are better than me anyway.

I'm planning to reread the game do ISOs when I get back home and to a computer, so *hopefully* they'll do something about my stagnant reads

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In the middle of my reread, just read Invis' iso and I think I actually saw the town in his iso which people have been saying
UNVOTE: Invisibility

[singletonking]

Okay I finished the Isos so this is what I gathered:

Town
Aeronaut/Scooby
Irrelephant
Invisibility
nonny
RCEnigma
DrDoLittle
Vaxkiller
Scum

Reasons will have to come later as I'm in the middle of doing my Math homework, but I'll be aiming to get it out in like the next 2 hours

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VOTE: DrDoLittle

I'll just put this out here for now: While Vax is currently scummier than DDL, I feel that he would be able to town up more and show his alignment, based on how he's playing now. If he does not town up as I expect him to he will go back down to scum.

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Ok I'm going to go through my reads now:

Areonaut: He is now my strongest townread, because the questions he's been asking are advancing the game the most. A lot looks like him getting reads and getting others to clarify their stances such as 43, 89, 219, and 262 and he also has good stances such as in 164. The Daytalk thing also isn't that big of a deal in retrospect.

Irrelephant: I also liked the scumhunting in this iso. This is less pronounced than for Aero, but posts like 28 are still good. At the same time, he gives his opinions on what happens in the game and responds accordingly, like 143 is a good catchup, and 327 is also good. I also think that his read reversal on me recently doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective given the game state at the moment.

I'll be splitting my reads over several posts

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So Invisibility:

I don't quite remember what I was scumreading him for, but on reread his posts read very natural and thus from a town perspective. I guess it comes down to tone, and the way he spoke in a manner-of-fact way in his first posts seem like town. And his ability to have a smooth flowing natural conversation with me also reads as town.

nonny:

This I have a hard time getting a read on, nothing strongly sways me either way. Somehow I feel they've not been forming opinions as much as asking for reads, like for example the "opportunistic = scumread" thing went nowhere. He also questions the IC quite a lot. A lot of posts aren't reads, more like comments on the game. She does have reads but they are few and they don't seem advanced. Nevertheless, she does give some opinions, making me put her as undecided as of null.

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RCEnigma: While I was townreading this at first, I have changed my mind. Some questions are really awkward and weird, like 41,185, and to a lesser extent parts of 242 and 309 make no sense, and I usually see such illogical statements come from scum rather than town. The Vax read seems kinda opportunistic, and there is actually a lack of scumhunting in his iso, I feel like the coverage is quite little.

Gah I'm a bit tired right now, I'll try to finish the rest soon

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So DDL:
Like I feel he has made some really generic statements such as 111 and 234. All in all, I don't see him hunting for scum, and instead just engaging in conversations. I feel like with his short posts are just there to be there and are just simply inserted.

As for Vaxkiller, the response to pressure is ew, especially challenging people to lynch him and strongly showing emotion seemed like a way to emotionally manipulate people against lynching him. But when I pushed him, it seems that he actually has reads and was indeed playing the game. This will remain a question mark for now and while he's currently scummiest I think time will tell on this slot.

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That's enough posting for tonight, if anyone had any questions for me I forgot to answer, bring it up to me and I'll try to answer them tomorrow.

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Sorry, thanks for reminging me

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Is it just because he's been active more recently than doc?

Yeah, basically. There's a time limit, though

Regarding post 111,what exactly makes it scum indicative? If you're town then from your perspective Scum!Doc would have A.) soft defended you, a townie, when even a lot of the no voters were questioning you. And B.) diverted attention away from your wagon onto Irrelephant, with zero follow up.

I just don't see exactly what Scum!doc gains there. There's also the fact that he didn't try to pocket you off of that post.

The second statement was what I didn't like. I feel like it was a very generic statement that was added to put more content into his post

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Intent to hammer, don't chicken out this time boys.

Oh yeah

L-1

Also single ==> vax

RCE that's a huge read change from your part.

Also why did you ignore my wall posts?

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I don't think you've ever explained why. How can I know you're not just opportunistic?
@Invis

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Regarding post 111,what exactly makes it scum indicative? If you're town then from your perspective Scum!Doc would have A.) soft defended you, a townie, when even a lot of the no voters were questioning you. And B.) diverted attention away from your wagon onto Irrelephant, with zero follow up.

I just don't see exactly what Scum!doc gains there. There's also the fact that he didn't try to pocket you off of that post.

The second statement was what I didn't like. I feel like it was a very generic statement that was added to put more content into his post

That there was scum on your wagon? He followed that uo by scumreading irrelephant, whom was on your wagon. Or are you saying you don't have a problem with 111 but still included it?

Well, I guess if you put it from that perspective then it makes sense to go with his Irrelephant read...

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im ok with either singleton or vax but i prefer vax

VOTE: singleton
i think its about time

Oh yeah

L-1

Also single ==> vax

Actually Invis thats a huge change from your part. You

really

didn't like my wall posts, huh.

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I don't think you've ever explained why. How can I know you're not just opportunistic?
@Invis

buzzwurds lol
also progression rn

Buzzwords are scummy? Actually, which ones?
And which part of my progression did you not like? Like my most recent one?

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I didnt ignore your wall posts but they are what made me convinced to want to lynch you.

On top of your reads flipping back and forth, your ISO readlist is completely different from the reads you were giving on the fly. Which first makes me think about what metric you used to determine town/scum during this ISO dive and why is it not the same as when you are actually playing.

Also I picked up a pattern on certain individuals where you don't necessarily have a true reason to scumread them outside of reasoning given by other players.

Yeah, my reads change when I do a reread of the game. Why is that a problem?

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When playing I go mostly by my gut. Then when I reread ISOs I pick things up that I didn't before.

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I don't think you've ever explained why. How can I know you're not just opportunistic?
@Invis

buzzwurds lol
also progression rn

Buzzwords are scummy? Actually, which ones?
And which part of my progression did you not like? Like my most recent one?

i was just saying that cuz it kinda looked like you were using buzzwords as a scare tactic
also its been outlined about the progression thing lemme find it

How else am I supposed to play the game? Like the buzzwords are really keywords that are necessary in conveying information

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Hm... ok that makes sense.

But you still dodged my questions anyway

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Hm... ok that makes sense.

But you still dodged my questions anyway

What questions?

That was to Invis

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Single, can we have a final readslist?

Read the game

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Also I have classes so I won't be posting for the next 2 hours. Please don't hammer me while I'm gone

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Single, can we have a final readslist?

Read the game

Actually Invis goes down a bit because of that read flip here

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Intent to hammer, don't chicken out this time boys.

Oh yeah

L-1

Also single ==> vax

RCE that's a huge read change from your part.

Also why did you ignore my wall posts?

ur still scum

I don't think you've ever explained why. How can I know you're not just opportunistic?
@Invis

buzzwurds lol
also progression rn

im ok with either singleton or vax but i prefer vax

VOTE: singleton
i think its about time

Oh yeah

L-1

Also single ==> vax

Actually Invis thats a huge change from your part. You

really

didn't like my wall posts, huh.

nuh-uh girlfriend
so jelly of me scumreading other people

Invis here is where I asked you some questions and you called them scummy which is fine but you ended up not answering them

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Single, can we have a final readslist?

Read the game

Actually Invis goes down a bit because of that read flip here

lol no

Actually yeah, you're right, the way you've been questioning me here has been quite town.

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No, I don't speak with irony

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Scumreading you at first was a kneejerk reaction to you suddenly voting me over vax

But in retrospect questioning me at L-1 and continuing to figure me out there felt quite town

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Yeah, his time is running out.

DDL also hasn't posted here in a while, want to hear more from him.

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Really don’t get how Aero asking for a read list effects a read on invis.

It didn't, Invis' posting in between did it for me at that time.

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hmm this is vax though i dont trust vax

Whats taht mean?

i dont trust words you say

This is such a weird thing to say. I know your scum reading me, but why not jsut say that? It's implied that one wouldn't trust scumbutts. Actually, Know that im thingking about before I respond further I need you to clarify more.

When you say "hmm this is vax though" waht are you refering too? DO yea mean "this is how vax usually acts"? Please explain specifically.

UNVOTE:

At first I liked this post, but when I read it in detail I actually didn't like it.

You are saying that Invis says that he doesn't trust you instead of outright saying he scumreads you, but IMO those are basically the same thing and one implies the other.

I'm just a bit skeptical of going on this point because I've ever done and been accused of a similar thing as town.

What exactly are you seeing suspicious from Invis?

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I don't think Vax is a good lynch today.

Is this because Vax's new posts read town? Because I will have to disagree.

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I'll tell, but I want to hear from invis first.

Yes definitely fine with me

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Irrelephant your latest posts are showing a lack of scumhunting which is worring to me

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k so apparently we're gonna have to lynch either vax or single without the other one's help

Where did DDL go

@Mod you're probably already on this but can we have a DDL prod?

Like these posts show a lack of care for your preference of the major wagons right now

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I'm feeling pretty settled on scum
I think Invis is very likely town, and this last page feels like posturing from both of you honestly
At this point I'm just trying to get a lynch through on you (seemingly fake progressions, awkward tone, hints of survivalism) or vax (mostly active lurking, the most genuine thing from his slot is his frustration at being scumread)
I need Nako or DDL to show up to make either one happen, so

Is there like anything you want my commentary on or are you just hoping to shade my slot, too

pedit: I

don't

care, I think the two competing wagons are both scum (idk if same team or not but also idc)

Like I felt that your indifference to the lynch was really scummy at this point of the game.

And stop saying “shade” everywhere, I am seeing scummy things from people so I question them.

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And also considering you had me more scummy than Vax earlier but then you started scumreading me less and Vax more so I don’t see a continuation from that

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Well I was town oops

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So yeah. I think Aero and Invis are town, and Vax may be town after his interactions.
People need to look into DDL more, I don't see town from his ISO.
Nonny idk but people say town so whatever
And Irrelephant EOD posts seemed to be indifferent scum. RCE idk

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Anyway have fun all!

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Ok nonny not saying more game relevant stuff in twilight is kinda scummy

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Anyway I just don't get it. How can I have the highest post count and still get lynched for "fake read progression" over others who have like no reads?

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One last thing, join my mini theme, Charging Up!

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I think my reads became a lot better after my reread, I just was changing my reads too much for people to sheep