micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

[LolWagons]

Hi everyone.

My soda is finite but my wagons are funny
And if you want to lynch mafia baby I’m money

Catch up post tonight or tomorrow.

Y’all and your 42 page days. Back in my time we needed 10 max.

[LolWagons]

Oh my god this game is a slog

So many multi-paragraph posts

[LolWagons]

Up to page 14 so far:

Town:

[Skitter]
[Nibbui, Sheep]

Scum:
[NSG]

[LolWagons]

I want to lynch Soda for real if his behavior don't change by the way.

Can we policy lynch him?

What's your opinion Sheep?

This is ugly though

Proposing policy lynches when you already have 14 pages of content

[LolWagons]

Podo's reads oh my god they're my reads

Up to page 17 so far:

Town:

[Skitter, Podo]
[Nibbui, Sheep]

Scum:
[NSG]

[LolWagons]

Skitter the neon flag for me was the way you said Mastina was acting scummy but you weren't for sure if that made her scum read as genuinely patient town to me. The only way you're scum is with Mastina and even then I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a partner going "Oh my partner is scummy but its not AI"...its just, too blatant in my mind.

That was the big thing. There's littler things too.

[LolWagons]

#464 Skitter:

Sometimes consensus is correct. Ask Sheep about how town had consensus on the Serial Killers game we just played. We decided everyone who was active was town and the replacements both wound up being scum. Consensus =/= wrong

Also podo was in that game too.

[LolWagons]

@skitter, I agree with your comments around NSG's read on you. also poboqoboqobodob's read list was Intensely Wolfy but not aligned with NSG who I find more patently wolfy in isolation

like that Intensely Wolfy feeling probably also comes from old meta town and he's just recently returned

he's joined this like "susp but unsure" section of my read list

Outside of me, if podo=town and theworst=scum, this list:

{sheep}
{skitter30, Nibbui}
{the worst}
{Pink Ball}
{mastina} NULL
{InfiniteSoda, northsidegal}

That podo gave is probably close to right. The_worst makes sure to throw a lot of shade onto that reads list.

[LolWagons]

Podo #558 is town

[LolWagons]

Nibbui's intentional opaqueness in the page 23-24ish exchange with podo makes me squirm on that slot

[LolWagons]

Ugh Nibbui #597 is bad too

And the duck looks good now

[LolWagons]

Not sure if I buy the retroactive revisionism of "reaction test" on page 25

[LolWagons]

Sheep do you do "clears" and "never lynches" as town? You just pulled that as scum in our game that finished. Anyone else is welcome to respond as well.

[LolWagons]

#713 was ew

[LolWagons]

Don't like the subtle posturing of #812 "Oh why wasn't the person I replaced voting this scummy person" this slot is laying it on thick about the slot being town

[LolWagons]

I like Mastina's #882 calling out the safe reads list even though I don't agree with the logic

[LolWagons]

#902 Podo having the same reaction to mastina as I did like eight years ago

Sweet summer child

She grows on you I promise

[LolWagons]

Btw, skitter's 722 is the first post of skitter's which I've had any feeling on at all, pretty much--and it was positive. I liked it; it wasn't something stellar, but it made me feel loosely town there. 724 actually gives me similarly good vibes, too.

Skitter had like at least three AI posts in their ISO and its concerning you are late to the game on that

[LolWagons]

I know I'm supposed to be sorting but I am really enjoying Podo reacting to Mastina and that's probably not funny to either party but it is hilarious to me

[LolWagons]

Okay scumreads this game are weak but I'm pretty damn confident in

(Podo, Skitter) town and pretty -no damn- confident in (Sheep, Pink Ball) town.

NSG's contrived reads list and her clunky replace-out, along with Meph's not subtle AND subtle attempts at posturing the slot as town and a mislynch .

Their whole entrance is on the only real counterwagon they have a shot at

#991 is very bad, Meph says the slot is town and then basically threatens it with a scumread for Sheep scumreading her

#994 is also kind of bad, considering their last post is #916 and has Skitter as a town read. Then she throws shade on Skitter for being the third vote.

There's some isolated sorting in there but it all seems contigent on whether the slot is voting Meph or not. I don't like how quickly they abandon townreads who vote them and how they don't even really do it directly, as was the case with Skitter and Sheep.

[LolWagons]

@ Mod Votecount please

[LolWagons]

Meh.

I think part of what has made this game so grueling is the overuse of meta.

With all the talk y’all have done about it any player could probably earn a townread from half the town just by following the outlines that have been put in place in thread. I try to use meta more retroactively.

Like, the Sheep thing about clears. That’s done. He can’t take that back and it’s not subjective or vague.

[LolWagons]

Very interesting by the way that you're not town reading me lolwagons

I was the first half of the game, then after the reaction test you shifted to constant pontificating and vote switching and promising reads tomorrow or whatever and it looked way less goal-oriented sorting and way more like trying to stay busy.

[LolWagons]

Very interesting by the way that you're not town reading me lolwagons

Also do I know you? Do you know me?

Why would you expect me to townread you

[LolWagons]

Meh.

I think part of what has made this game so grueling is the overuse of meta.

With all the talk y’all have done about it any player could probably earn a townread from half the town just by following the outlines that have been put in place in thread. I try to use meta more retroactively.

Like, the Sheep thing about clears. That’s done. He can’t take that back and it’s not subjective or vague.

I'm not putting any outlines here to Nancy to follow

I tried first to get interactions with her only to afterwards explain whatever alignment her posts might indicate that she has


what you are scum reading Nancy for is NAI as a fact even if she is scum, and that's also a fact. I'm just pointing it out.

She can still be scum but not for those reasons.

Yeah I’m not really going to let you draw the lines on what should and shouldn’t be a scumtell for each player. Quite frankly I’m not particularly interested in your opinion when you try to frame it as a fact.

My first game back I drove a lynch on BrightEyedFish and everyone told me everything he did was NAI and he was lynchbait but what do ya know he flipped scum. I don’t typically get talked out of scum reads by meta talk.

[LolWagons]

/shrug

This is the first game I'm playing this way so I'll not insist

Also I'm not done with my metric on her and she has not many posts

I'll do a case on her being town though if in the end my final read on her is that she is town (who knows, I can change my mind)

if you guys buy it or not I dunno however

And you’re of course well within your right to do that, and if it’s convincing I’ll look elsewhere.

I just have a hard time with one red flag post, and it was the one where she asked why NSG wasn’t voting Mastina. It felt like an attempt to subtly posture the slot as town. Because what good does that do? Asking a hypothetical question about someone’s intentions when you know they aren’t in the game because you replaced them? It served no purpose but to subtly imply that NSG/Meph slot was town because Meph found Mastina scummy.

[LolWagons]

kinda read up

UNVOTE:

need to think abt this when im out of class but for now i think i was tunneling a bit hard earlier

lolwagons discomfort take with nibbui is interesting
i disagree with it but it’s actually very believable and i think it’s almost always genuine

rest of their catchup is mostly just ehh could go either way

@lolwagons why were you v reading me

also i use the terminology clears and stuff as either alignment it just describes someone who i think is very obvious v

It’s lean v and you’ll have to wait until I’m not on mobile so I can do quote walls

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

pretty sure that's the third vote

Why?

Like you didn’t give a single reason for that vote.

Did you only vote us because we already had two votes on us?

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

[LolWagons]

Skitter
Nibbul
Pink Ball
The Worst

I’m currently feeling the best about, so far.

VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

pretty sure that's the third vote

Why?

Like you didn’t give a single reason for that vote.

Did you only vote us because we already had two votes on us?

[LolWagons]

Skit those are back to back in the iso

That’s really bad

[LolWagons]

No clue how I just double posted those in reverse from mobile sorry

[LolWagons]

You’re literally in their townreads and then they immediately indirectly imply you as scum for voting them

[LolWagons]

Skit those are back to back in the iso

That’s really bad

idk what this is referring to

#1157 is me showing their Uturn on your slot

[LolWagons]

I know they still say you’re obvtown but tha feels like a setup and not curiosity

[LolWagons]

hydra's opening is pretty meh

gun to my head w but it's mostly just meh

I don’t really believe you actually believe we’re w here. I will give you some time but I will become legit concerned, if sheep isn’t able to correctly read me soon.

Here it is Skittet

911 not 991

[LolWagons]

Just so much indirect implications and setups for townreads being scum if they keep pressuring the slot. That and the posturing is like...a slam dunk. And knowing the slot replaced NSG is a free throw.

[LolWagons]

Guess I should have said three pointer

Suck at sports metaphors

[LolWagons]

I mean, you can take it either way as long as we don't suddenly lynch Nancy because I'm pretty sure there is enough people for lynching her already (scum reading the slot)

I’m not going to quickhammer

[LolWagons]

Honestly the outrage feels manufactured but I try to avoid the f word

[LolWagons]

i'll unvote if it'll make people feel better wrt a quickhammer

Do it.

Let them rebut at least.

[LolWagons]

Aye so now we wait

I know I still have to answer Sheep

In the meantime shoot me questions if you have them

I couldn’t muster up a full reads list with quotes in a 42 page day 1 but feel free to pick my brain on stuff

[LolWagons]

what do you think of a theoretical tw/mest(nsg) team?

(i know day1 pre-flips etc etc etc)

That’s my guess right now.

The confidence in the NSG vote mid game and the the jump to a lurker slot is a huge red flag

[LolWagons]

“NSG is acting uncharacteristically caught” -> Vote Lurker -> VotePodo

A lot of time passed between steps one and two but it looks like someone aged to leave a wagon they were supposedly confident on in the dust

[LolWagons]

Eager*

Not aged

[LolWagons]

Also rereading sheep’s read he says null but in a gossip he’d go w

It’s just such a blatant overreaction

[LolWagons]

Tossup*

VOTE: Meph

So that’s only 3 correct? L-2?

Seems like more.

[LolWagons]

Skitter, Sheep, Me...

That’s all I see, there were two votes but skitter was one of them. He unvoted and revoted

[LolWagons]

Lol you’ve really confused people skitter

I know not intentionally

[LolWagons]

Oh shit I forgot

This is a slaxx alt. I don’t think anyone is familiar with my old play here back in like 2010-2011 but just in case

My university deleted their email server and gave us all new ones so I can’t get back on my account lol

[LolWagons]

You too

I think only Mastina is familiar with my playstyle from then

But Podo and Sheep are familiar with it too

It’s aggressive regardless of alignment

So everyone has been warned

[LolWagons]

Podo and Sheep are familiar with it currently* rather

[LolWagons]

(5 NYE drinks in but not using that as an excuse to not be held accountable for my post but also feel I should let everyone know):

#1213 basically is prodding podo for a read on her and stirring the pot, I see no attempt to sort anything in that post. Just to confound.

I get I can tunnel. Like, im not super self-aware but I’m pretty self aware. How the hell does #1213 come from town? It’s not just frustration, it’s manipulative.

[LolWagons]

Also “NAI Nancy Day 1 play IMO” is like the most bullshit bullshit ever. Like that’s just blatant vapid deflection that doesn’t even try to convince anyone of anything.

[LolWagons]

That slot is concerned strictly with survival and fomenting doubt through emotional appeals and it reminds me a lot of a certain US president who flails when he’s caught blatantly being wrong.

Sorry to be political but not really because the comparison is uncanny

[LolWagons]

Okay yeah I’m fine with a hammer on that. More subtle posturing of “You’re derailing scumhunting if you pressure this slot” which implies that anything resembling pressure of the slot is derailing the focus of the game. My main points about U-turns on reads after voting weren’t responded to. “It’s true” is the most succinctly useless statement ever so points towards brevity. This flips scum like 2/3 times.

[LolWagons]

“I only care if scum are lynched” but doesn’t seem focused on actually sorting slots, or that sorting depends heavily on whether you’re suspicious of the slot.

I mean. This feels like a gimme.

[LolWagons]

You didn’t do anything wrong Nibbui it’s lowball manipilative BS. We’re at the point where everything is getting thrown at the wall but nothing is sticking.

[LolWagons]

Also that reaction doesn’t come from SvS so if Meph flips red I’ll eat my words and conform to the unanimous Nib-town read.

[LolWagons]

Wait so are you town or scum reading our slot?

Confidently scumreading at this point. How is that even remotely ambiguous?

[LolWagons]

intent to hammer

I think there’s two votes up right now.

Do your part.

[LolWagons]

Wait so are you town or scum reading our slot?

Confidently scumreading at this point. How is that even remotely ambiguous?

cool, thought so but a but brank and wanted to be sure.

We are town and I'm sorry if I seem not so?

Also that reaction doesn’t come from SvS so if Meph flips red I’ll eat my words and conform to the unanimous Nib-town read.

"if meph flips red I'll eat my words" confused me. This was why I asked.

So, like, w/e
Also you seem scummy from this but I'll be acused of omgus if I pursue it which is fucking bullshit

First of all, you shouldn’t be worried about perceptions at this point, you’re getting lynched. I’ll waste my New Years tomorrow corralling votes because that’s just the petty PoS I am.

Secondly, now I’m like the third or fourth person you’ve suspected for pressuring you. How many scum do you think there are? Do you really think all 3 are voting you and are on your wagon?

[LolWagons]

That's not a hammer as far as I know...

She fucking knows that I just said there were two votes up like four posts prior.

[LolWagons]

slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

Explain

[LolWagons]

slightly like wrt lack of competing wagons but I sr the slot and this checks out

this wagon is probably filthy regardless of flip

Explain

if this is scum what are scum doing?;
if this is town what are scum doing?

Explaining typically reduces questions, not adds to them.

I realize what you’re implying, I want you to clarify the statement.

[LolWagons]

I gotta stop not p-editting

Ok fine just wanted your stance on record

[LolWagons]

That's not a hammer as far as I know...

She fucking knows that I just said there were two votes up like four posts prior.

like I can follow this shit. W/e

Odd you seem to be responding promptly to all my other posts.

Guess it was a coincidence you happened to overlook that one.

[LolWagons]

mafia isn't a logic puzzle tho there aren't tangible answers to questions without like having a smaller number of possible conclusions / knowing the answer categorically; I'm rhetorical on a couple of fronts atm. I'm not confident this wagon is filthy but if I say it that way it's more likely to be remembered. those questions are also rhetorical

It honestly felt like TMI and it made me squirm on the read but the fact you split out into both scenarios and pre emptively didn’t want to give me town cred for a red flip erased that so back to our regularly scheduled lynching

[LolWagons]

hmmmmmm

I've some things to say

Go for it buddy

[LolWagons]

Skitter what are you thinking re: TW reaction to wagon

[LolWagons]

bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

[LolWagons]

From a cold pov Nancy here is somewhat wolfy on her metric but considering some special circumstances the slot can go either way, really.

If Nancy is scum here though Mastina has a considerable scum equity by their interactions followed by a lesser extent by tw

I'm somewhat confident that I can read Nancy on d2 or later in this day however because I've spent probably around 11 hours doing my homework on her and I don't think it's only a "meta" thing, in this time I've come to know more about "who" is Nancy I guess?

I want to lynch Mastina today though because she has good partner equity with all the different possible scum teams imo here

What’s the difference between now and day 2?

[LolWagons]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Worst

I don’t think Mastina is scum with TW based on the first half or so of her ISO and I’m becoming increasingly wary of this slot. I find myself thinking that regardless of the Nancy flip that both TWs hops on and off the NSG/Nancy wagon have been bad. I can’t believe I went from where I was at thirty posts ago to here but I think this is the right move.

[LolWagons]

bad
feels like bussing; kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense
calling it filthy kinda feels like he thinks it may flip town and is setting up to push on wagon tomorrow
(i know that the above two are contradictory)

I know I just swung my c*ck around on the Meph lynch but now I almost feel like TW is a safer bet

But I’m also going to kick myself in the ass if I don’t lynch this slot, die, and it gets to endgame.

i don't want meph anywhere close to endgame
not sure if i want to lynch tw today. he kinda feels weird still. and has a bunch of bad posts. filthy sounds like he's shading the wagon so i don't like that he's voting there *while* calling it filthy

i'm becoming a little paranoid that meph may be town given how close to everyone except for like nibbui and maybe mastina have this read
but then i get paranoid a lot about this sort of thing so idk

Meh. The more it sits with me the more I feel like TW could be bussing but the whole “this wagon is filthy” while still being on it really gave me some bad feels about voting Nancy and I thought I could power through them but I don’t think I can, not given the previous unvote/vote of NSG.

[LolWagons]

Their whole attitude around NSG has been scummy. Overconfident scum read, initial on/off vote, their new on vote, their attitude towards the wagon. I feel like Nancy could maaaaaaybe be lynch bait but I don’t see that with TW.

[LolWagons]

yeah i feel bussing + trying to shade the wagon which is kinda contradictory
unless he's trying to go the angle of: scum must have bussed so we need to look onwagon tomorrow but then why does he put himself on wagon?

I mean if he thinks scum is bussing then the target is scum so therefore that’s fine. That’s consistent.

I just think Nancy is scum. But I find myself scumreading TW regardless of Nancy’s flip. And so logically I grow more comfortable with TW.

[LolWagons]

feels like bussing;

kinda like he's rushing to make sure he's on wagon if that makes sense

did you get this vibe?

That was the initial idea. I specifically pressured him to vote that slot because I saw he was around and was curious if he would.

But then the whole “this wagon is filthy” but also being on it made me think Nancy=town. Then I asked him to explain and he didn’t want to give me any town credit or anyone any town credit if it flipped red which made me think they were partners, so I stuck on Nancy.

But then I’m over here like, okay if TW is scum regardless of Nancy’s flip I should be voting TW.

[LolWagons]

I’m retrospect it might have been more strategic to not pressure him to vote that slot, but live and learn.

[LolWagons]

yeah i feel bussing + trying to shade the wagon which is kinda contradictory
unless he's trying to go the angle of: scum must have bussed so we need to look onwagon tomorrow but then why does he put himself on wagon?

I mean if he thinks scum is bussing then the target is scum so therefore that’s fine. That’s consistent.

I just think Nancy is scum. But I find myself scumreading TW regardless of Nancy’s flip. And so logically I grow more comfortable with TW.

I don’t like this post. It reads to me like you are setting me up to follow tw lynch, before you even know what he’ll flip. I think you and Mastina could possibly be linked. And if tw flips green, then you could mislynch me and it wouldn’t look scummy.

You’re the most hypersensitive petty player I’ve played with in eight years just so you’re aware. Absolutely irrational and frustrating to play with. And I’m proud of myself for seeing through that and opting to lynch TW instead of you. I still wasn’t for sure on your slot but now since you’re actually gamesolving I’m feeling better about my decision.

That is not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying you could go either way, but regardless of that TW feels like scum. Why would I set you up for tomorrow when your lynch seemed imminent today? Why would I risk the fallout of U-turning like I did? I realized I might be wrong after TWs entrance on your wagon. And yes, I judged him for a vote I pressured him to make. What exactly is wrong with that?

And the hell of it is TW then gets spooked by me getting OFF the wagon even though HIS vote and commentary was the one that shook my confidence on you-scum. It’s insane. You all are so irrational and meta-driven I’m having trouble actually sorting here.

I have no clue on Mastina. I get that read wrong as often as I get it right. I literally can’t even get through her prose without my damn ADHD meds. At first I really hated how much she stuck up for the NSG slot but now that I’m coming around on your slot I’m up in the air.

[LolWagons]

@lolwagons I'm scum and Nancy is town
there you go no sorting needed

stop complaining

What does a post like this accomplish?

Am I supposed to back off because you’re trying to WIFOM me in whether or not you’d call yourself scum?

[LolWagons]

actually I'm pretty sure refusing to read someone for obvtown ate which has been v meta checked by both of the players the slot is angry with for reading it incorrectly is incredibly motivated towards trying to mislynch that slot

lolwagons is a wolf pls lynch after I'm nk'd

I outlined very clearly why I don’t follow meta to the degree this town does. I think it can be gamed and subjective. It also turns into a fiasco where a day that could be 15 pages long and focused within the game turns into 55 pages talking about player personalities and 8 outside games and I don’t feel that adds value towards our goal.

[LolWagons]

neither Nancy nor me are being lynched today
who's next?

Oh I’m not giving up on you.

[LolWagons]

Mastina join the TW wagon it’s going places.

[LolWagons]

no, i checked before i voted, that's the third

in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

p-edit idk what that's referring to

I still think this is towny and like none of it is invalid, just not correct and probably closer to an entirely ingame read rather than a meta read which I rate

Which is a giant red flag with a black fedora because although I understand that the context a player comes into the game with is important your insistence on shifting focus back outside this game indicates that you don’t feel like your play has been defensible from a town perspective.

[LolWagons]

I’m not specifically trying to call Mastina out, but the heavy meta stuff in posts like #1497 is what has made this game confounding and long.

[LolWagons]

Sheep’s waffling on TW doesn’t make me feel great but idk if it changes TW in my mind. Not as AI as TW on to Meph.

[LolWagons]

i lost all of my motivation to play after nancy's posting this morning

Yeah I’ll probably avoid that slot from here on out.

[LolWagons]

In future games.

Not like I won’t talk to her in this game. Unfortunately I’m stuck with that.

[LolWagons]

>______> Not buying it

P-edit: Yeah being gung-ho about being lynched makes me think this is a lie.

[LolWagons]

I think you’re going to talk yourself out of something obvious here Nibbui. Nothing about TW’s play says late game confirmable PR. The willing to 1v1, the cross voting, the “I’m gonna be the NK” bravado... it doesn’t fit.

[LolWagons]

I understand.

[LolWagons]

He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him but this isn’t town PR play

[LolWagons]

I did not seriously expect myself to be a high equity mislynch day one in this list and wanted to be here for the long haul. I'm kinda like.... :/// at how badly this gambit played out.

Except you offered a crossvote super recently sooo

[LolWagons]

He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him but this isn’t town PR play

you don't know me and don't know my TPR play. stop wolfsiding.

I don’t know how many times I have to say I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta but here it is again:

I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta

[LolWagons]

on obvscum.... gladly? what's your issue with that?

On a counterwagon you later decided was obvscum

And what the hell does that mean coming from you any way? You’ve been super gung ho about like me, Mastina, and NSG scumreads now.

[LolWagons]

He’s not explaining because there is no explanation

Jesus

I like the duck from the time I’ve had with him

but this isn’t town PR play

you don't know me and don't know my TPR play. stop wolfsiding.

I don’t know how many times I have to say I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta but here it is again:

I don’t give a shit about 95% of meta

ah I'm guessing the bolded mystically fits into the 5% of holistic meta you do give a fuck about?

gtfo wolf

Lol

TPR play in general, not for a specific person

Come on

[LolWagons]

Excuse me for applying broad trends in how people play and fitting it into this game instead of just taking the fucking words of people I don’t know the alignment of and blindly following them

[LolWagons]

You keep shifting the argument out of the game because you can’t address the points people are making in the game with anything except “oops”

[LolWagons]

You keep shifting the argument out of the game because you can’t address the points people are making in the game with anything except “oops”

I'm genujelu not sure what the case against me is

Yes, you do. Skitter laid it out and you said he brought up valid points.

Come. On. Now.

[LolWagons]

You keep shifting the argument out of the game because you can’t address the points people are making in the game with anything except “oops”

I'm genujelu not sure what the case against me is

Yes, you do. Skitter laid it out and you said he brought up valid points.

Come. On. Now.

she*

that was like a "you don't look like you" case long before a scumcase. as a hater of meta can you please dig it up & give some commentary around what you do and don't support in it?

NO

IT WASNT

HE LITERALLY REFERENCED STUFF

INSIDE

THE GAME

[LolWagons]

SAhe*

Dammit

[LolWagons]

no, i checked before i voted, that's the third

in case you're wondering:
-> things i may have seen as townie from you idk if they're ai anymore
-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

p-edit idk what that's referring to

-> you're also not really engaging me about the non-meta reasons i may be scumreading you, which i find scummy
(ie you ignored this post, tell me you don't want to talk about the bad posts or try to redirect the convo about them, etc)

Only the first point is meta related. I literally asked Skitter what he thought of your entrance on the wagon and told him it made me squirm. You’re trying to frame this like I’m along for the ride but I believe I was the one who switched momentum from Nancy to you.

[LolWagons]

Oh my duck

For the love of god why are you not hammering.

[LolWagons]

*She

I’m sorry Skitter. Idk why I’m having trouble with your gender. And I know that’s bad and I’m sorry.

[LolWagons]

also..... a mislynch failed so you steered momentum onto another mislynch......?

round of applause, please people

Jesus Christ you literally can’t talk about the topic at hand.

This is textbook scumplay.

I’m trying to talk about how you were framing my contributions as retroactive and not proactive and you use your response to just try to posture yourself as town instead of directly addressing the issue.

[LolWagons]

-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

^That is skitter’s case without the meta piece

It makes PERFECT SENSE WITHOUT THE META PIECE

And just because she used the word “feel” doesn’t invalidate the points being made. Once again instead of being transparent with your reasoning on why you did these things you are shifting to a semantics argument.

[LolWagons]

also..... a mislynch failed so you steered momentum onto another mislynch......?

round of applause, please people

Jesus Christ you literally can’t talk about the topic at hand.

This is textbook scumplay.

I’m trying to talk about how you were framing my contributions as retroactive and not proactive and you use your response to just try to posture yourself as town instead of directly addressing the issue.

Try: you are positioning me for a mislynch and making NO SENSE. respond to my pagebotton post.

Still. Not. Addressing. The. Issue. Still. Subtle. Posturing.

[LolWagons]

Why should I have to fill a demand to respond to a post before you answer me? As town here wouldn’t you be happily transparent?

[LolWagons]

I'm pretty sure that the NK thing was sarcasm regardless of his alignment

Nibbui gets me :<

You’ve had multiple chances to say it was a joke but you couldn’t come up with that answer on your own?

[LolWagons]

-> you have a bunch of bad posts (pl, nancy intent to hammer, filthy) that feel wrong
-> you feel fake-bravado-y. insinuating that you may be nk'd tonight is ridiculously out of touch with the gamestate given that you aren't obvtown by any means and multiple people are saying they'd like to lynch you; i believe you know that you prob aren't getting nk'd tonight so that felt fake and like an attempt to portray confidence in your towniness when you're not being percieved that way

^That is skitter’s case without the meta piece

It makes PERFECT SENSE WITHOUT THE META PIECE

And just because she used the word “feel” doesn’t invalidate the points being made. Once again instead of being transparent with your reasoning on why you did these things you are shifting to a semantics argument.

OK let's remove meta from this.

1) I used strange turn of phrase. I suggested lynching my nullscum reads. I gave intent to hammer to draw a reaction out of a player who I KNOW gives alignment indicative reactions when put under pressure.
2) I have a personality and am acting bravadoey. I made a joke about being n1'd.

you're quoting a LITERAL META CASE and saying you hate meta and that it's ingame logic. it's completely rhetorically biased by the fact skitter has meta knowledge of me. the fact you're not seeing this is tragic at best and scumclaiming at worst.

But without the context of that meta I still agree with those points and think they are all strong enough to stand on their own.

[LolWagons]

Why should I have to fill a demand to respond to a post before you answer me? As town here wouldn’t you be happily transparent?

I keep responding to you but I think we're screaming at each other for no reason rather than continuing a valid conversation

No shit.

Look, I’m really sorry if you’re town and I’m sorry if this is your first impression of me like this but I am not buying the claim. It is inconsistent with how you’ve played, and even before that claim a lot of your votes onto and off wagons felt contrived and driven more by framing the lynch a certain way than sorting.

[LolWagons]

I am absolutely fine with doing a case on you but if that's what is going to happen I need to know it is actually crucial to Sheep and Nibbui's decision because I am not spending an hour on my day off doing something inconsequential.

[LolWagons]

I am absolutely fine with doing a case on you but if that's what is going to happen I need to know it is actually crucial to Sheep and Nibbui's decision because I am not spending an hour on my day off doing something inconsequential.

it's crucial to you being read correctly regardless of what Nibbui and sheep think. even if I'm speedlynched I want you to ignore the flip and write the fucker and post it d2.

You know what?

Okay. And if you flip town I'll fucking rhyme the whole thing in your honor.

[LolWagons]

I actually have rapped a few songs before, so like, if we want to do a rap battle mafia I want in on that action if people don't hate me after this game.

[LolWagons]

I actually have rapped a few songs before, so like, if we want to do a rap battle mafia I want in on that action if people don't hate me after this game.

IF I EVER COME TO LYNCH YOU OUR 1V1 IS A RAP BATTLE MAN

THIS IS AGREEMENT BETWEEN GENTLEMANS

Lol deal

I really hope to not be around that long, no offense.

[LolWagons]

fam I'm tired

oh ok...

next time I guess

I'll rap battle with lolwagons if you flip town

I'll self hammer to see this

I...was not joking when I said I will retroactively make a case on you that rhymes if you flip town.

If I don't have it up within 3 days of Day 2 start town can autolynch me.

I (rightfully I would imagine) assume I don't get NK'd in the event you flip town.

[LolWagons]

Consider it a bet on how confident I am you don't flip town here. I think its technically allowed since its all within-game stuff. Mod can scold me if not.

[LolWagons]

it's not even close to out of game. it's not even perspective spewing. you're delaying this until AFTER I'm mislynched

Lol I'm not writing a case on you tonight if nibbui or sheep are hammering. I've already said that. First of all, although a lot of what I have used are skitt and Kirby-boi's points, my original vote on you was an original reaction to something you did before your lynch really got clout. I was active in the discussion and formation of the lynch, and it is kind of crappy and lowball you are framing my vote as unoriginal or a carbon copy of someone else's and wanting me and only me to provide a full case on you that you know will take forever in a 60 page game.