micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

[Jungle Medicine]

VOTE: Iconeum

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VOTE: rosterfoster

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i welcome all sheeps to join me in lynching the scum. better to follow me than this slaxx guy. he townread the vedith too quick, he cannot be trusted.

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no I am the one leading your death, chicken scum.

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there's exactly three obvtown players so far, who are they?

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why are you saying these things merry? i tend to think the players who skip out on early posting are the scums more often than random so this isn't helping me read you town.

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JM saying my joke TR on Vedith was not to be trusted and calling three players obvtown on page 2 is lulz

it's quite serious in fact.

i'll help you out, one of them was brass.

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i thrive in corners of my own doing.

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it's quite the opposite, my merry friend, i won't scumread you for existing but rather for not posting. i also offer you a townread in exchange for some help, all you have to do is confirm for the blind masses that i am in fact obvtown as i'm sure you've realized by now?

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i'm slithering quite fine, it's how we do things in the jungle. i guess i'm just bad town, no other reason i seem caught unless you think i'm atrocious scum who slipped this early?

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i guess you don't know how to apply poe because i'm talking about myself. do you disagree about my read on brass?

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atrocious town it is!

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well draco i wanted to give us something to talk about, this whole thing really has just been a misunderstanding that i fucked around with maybe a tad too long.

in all seriousness i'm town & i think it's obvious now if it wasn't before.

i'm townreading brass because he's an awkward mess as scum and that ain't him this game.

i think you're maybe town for pushing on me but truthfully i thought it was a bit too tunneled on your part to call you a legit townie yet. but you're doing better than merry who excused himself from posting, so that's nice at least.

i'd like to know your thoughts on roster. i feel like he's lying low & making some opportune votes but i can't really tell because i've been laser focusing his posting. what's your impression?

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i'm sorry to break this to you draco but my reaction wasn't scummy at all it was the natural reactions of a townie, please take a closer look & memorize so that next time you don't mistake it

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that was very harsh merry, i was trying to be your friend.

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Do you realize that your superior tone is antagonizing the slaxx hydra

where do you see me antagonizing slaxx with a superior tone? i let him call me an atrocious town, anything but superior.

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how is my tone grating & condescending? please give examples.

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i guess you're not gonna answer me so i'll just say what i'm thinking. it feels like you're cozying up to draco by attacking my play in ways that aren't truthful so i'm genuinely interested to see what you're seeing about my play that i'm missing.

what's your read on draco?

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slaxx doesn't strike me as the type to derptunnel plus i have faith in his hydra partner to provide enough perspective to avoid any conf bias.

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i'm sorry if i'm pisising you off draco that's not my intention i guess my tone really just sucks, it'd be nice if someone pointed out exactly where so that i can remedy the issue.

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note that i'm looking to see something from brass before locking him in but yes his opening was towny.

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i tend to post rhetoric for its own sake sometimes merry but don't take that as saying anything about my alignment, sometimes i'm testing reactions & others i'm just posturing to help keep my anonymity. and no i wasn't scumreading just pointing out that scum tend to avoid posting early when they can. i know that doesn't apply to you but i was curious how you'd react to the jab plus i wanted to encourage you to town yourself without skitter's help.

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oh i'm sorry brass i'll keep hurtful reasonings to myself in the future.

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i'm laughing a lot for real, keep up the jokes.

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i don't think signing is necessary in your case.

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there are no girls on the internet.

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I don't know if I've ever seen someone claim town so much. If you keep repeating it, does that make it true?

do you think this scummy?

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So my question to you is, if RC were to let his hydra partner do the posting, would that be alignment indicative for him? If so, why and in which way?

i think this is a boring question with a boring answer and when i say 'boring' i mean not 'alignment indicative.' but if we're getting into deeper layers of analysis and really mining this tiny piece of information for all its worth:

Spoiler:

merry letting pippin do the postings comes from town more often than scum for quite dubious reasoning, that is why would rc let let scum skitter do the town telling when he's quite capable himself? i pause here only because rc prefers town over scum so i'd expect more posting from a town rc than a scum rc but overall it doesn't make sense for scum rc to leave the town telling to scum skitter, plus i can't imagine scum skitter would be too happy about that? no it's likely town.

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And from your comment about BH, I don't think you're new? What's your experience?

this is my first game so you'll have to forgive me if i'm picking things up slowly but i spent the couple days waiting for this perusing games so that i'd be prepared, and so far it's been a great use of my time based on the reads i'm getting.

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this was a real question, btw =)

it's all my posts from my perspective but maybe i'm jumping the gun, hard to say until i hear from others in the game.

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unfortunately there was little to study about you starwing but if you have more games i will take a look. i played some mafia at a family gathering once & oh it was quite fun, much more so than having to read emotions in these words only.

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have you developed any reads luna & is this the name you prefer?

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i'm not one to enjoy town casing myself but since you request it draco here you go:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Iconeum

towny vote because it helps build a wagon and move the game outside of boring stages.

VOTE: rosterfoster

towny vote because catching the scum or at least putting pressure on someone who seems ready to lurk it out with some boring posts instead of helping catch the scum.

i welcome all sheeps to join me in lynching the scum. better to follow me than this slaxx guy. he townread the vedith too quick, he cannot be trusted.

towny confidence & lack of nervousness in calling things how they i see them, specifically in terms of your quick townread on vedith & the implications it has about your alignment. i'm saying a lot about the game & doing it in ways that aren't easy for scum to fake.

no I am the one leading your death, chicken scum.

again that towny confidence & lack of nervousness in pushing chicken, trying to break nerves & maybe get some more information for us to work with. these aren't posts i make as scum or at least i don't think i'd make them & if I saw someone else making them i'd townread them for it.

there's exactly three obvtown players so far, who are they?

and so i thought i was very obvtown at this point but maybe i'm mistaken & overstated the case, it's hard to tell but relative the vedith guy you called "conftown" i thought myself quite towny at this point.

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Well, I certainly wasn't expecting this. What was your motivation for pushing him to post?

these questions are starting to get on my nerves a little because no offense it's a very boring question. do i need a reason to encourage an environment where posting is the norm? if the town don't post then the scum don't have to post & then how do we fine the scum, throw some dice?

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i don't have a read on vedith yet. you, luna, brass, & maybe draco are town. i'd personally use my own dice but if you wanted to use more advanced technology you could.

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insulting me plus leaving the town tells to skitter plus backing off doesn't seem like things you'd do as scum? and no you're wrong to think that i'd be looking to read based on both not just one and on that note don't get too comfortable yet because i'm looking to see town skitter confirm the read in her postings.

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that was poorly expressed let me rephrase: i don't want to read your slot based only on the contributions of one player because i think my chances of getting your alignment right increases if i'm able to read both of you.

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why luna? i don't think she's done much ai really. or at least she hasn't really posted anything i can read

thanks for asking this i've been looking forward to getting the question because it's one of those reads that's going to make everyone think i'm batshit. i don't think minimalist posters like luna tend to read excessively-analytical spoilers like mine that closely as scum nor do i think they'd respond with luna's understated approval plus a mixed tone of surprise & skepticism. it shows that she's reading quite closely & responding with natural emotions.

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On the surface it screams bs overall. Draco Lucky saying that Vedith is town for keeping promises really isn't a good enough reason. I can see why JM would think that's sketchy, odd that they think they're so sure because of it without at least some bg playing experience/meta with them but the issue I have is..JM said that Draco Lucky couldn't be trusted all the while voting for Rooster Fooster at the time..... (page 2) then What even is 75? The change of thought/flip/back tracking comes across as sketchy. Null on Jungle Medicine, tentative town-ish lean on Draco Lucky.

hi gemini it's nice to meet you, why are you null on me when all your analysis points to scum?

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VOTE: gemini

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why luna? i don't think she's done much ai really. or at least she hasn't really posted anything i can read

thanks for asking this i've been looking forward to getting the question because it's one of those reads that's going to make everyone think i'm batshit. i

don't think minimalist posters like luna tend to read excessively-analytical spoilers like mine that closely as scum

nor do i think they'd respond with luna's understated approval plus a mixed tone of surprise & skepticism. it shows that she's reading quite closely & responding with natural emotions.

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bolded is ... a really weird opinion/conclusion that i'm not sure i agree with
i also just reread her posts like twice and i didn't really get that tone from them either

i don't expect anyone to understand my reasonings on luna but it's what i believe at this time & it makes sense if you think make the connection between minimalist scum & lazy scum. the tone i got was one of surprise about me knowing rc combined with skepticism that i was new. what one were you getting?

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meh i guess tone is often reflective of what we want to see just as much as what's actually there it's text after all.

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basically i'm assuming that you're claiming masons with beauvoi. if that's not the case you should out that because i think that they're scummy and i'd instalynch you after their scumflip.

i don't like this at all very bad post from you.

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we don't have to agree about everything skitter for me luna's town but don't assume that means i won't reevaluate in light of new postings.

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hey gemini what's your read on icon?

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VOTE: iconeum

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thanks for helping me survive that's very helpful, let's get more votes on icon?

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i take back my townread on luna that post was not good enough to keep it.

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i don't know why this game stalled so much what are people waiting around for?

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JM you not scumreading the fact that I have barely been present in this game makes me a lot less comfortable about your slot

you feeling this way is making me feel more comfortable about your slot because i was getting a little paranoid earlier especially about some of the stuff skitter was saying.

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draco I really don't want to vote you because of

reasons

but I feel like you're scum and would appreciate you getting slaxx to talk to me if you're town.

i also had this same thought so this also makes me feel better about your slot merry.

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i have no interest in lynching luna today, she's more the type of player that i eventually locktown because she drops a couple massive town tells or alternatively the type of player that i lynch closer to lylo if she fails to town herself enough.

icon's still my top pick that i'd like to nurse into a celebratory hanging but without pesticides or anything this has to be grown organically so i'm just waiting for my teammates to dig a bit deeper & find the scum tells on their own terms.

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i've never played with luna, i'm just giving my thoughts based on this game & general knowledge. i've imagined archetypes of types of players & luna kindles thoughts of a certain type of scum player who has a much stronger town game than this but since i don't have access to much of luna's meta it's impossible to say if she's that type of player yet & it just so happens she also reminds me of a certain type of town player that eventually becomes so obvtown that i'd rather wait on her lynch either way especially since she's dropped subtle hints of town or at least hints of a deeper than superficial thought process.

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a lot of players are calling things scummy this game that aren't scummy.

merry can you talk to me about what you're seeing that's towny about icon?

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has anyone reviewed icon's meta specifically his scum play & still thinks he's town?

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VOTE: vedith

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@Jungle are you ever going to answer this?

i told you i'm letting this grow organically you'll have to dig for this yourself.

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hey draco what's your current read on the game?

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so let's talk about icon. when you played with him did you look at his meta at all & how were you distinguishing his town from scum game?

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i'll get into a bit about why i voted icon. for starters the overuse of unnecessary qualifiers:

i'm

actually

like semi-serious about roster here

Jungle's a tough read for me here. I was

really

feeling scummy vibes from that slot, but he handled Draco's pressure

really

well.

i briefly checked icon's meta for this & he tends to overuse these types of qualifiers as scum more than town.

second his read & push on me as seen in 205, 206, & continued in 296. i think townies likely drop this three-obvtown line of inquiry before either of these posts. why is icon tunneling this inquiry when there's so much other posting to sort me? and either way i don't think town call me a "tough read" while saying i'm scum with roster, which brings me to my next point on icon.

his push on roster is even worse than the push on me:

yeah you’re right.

VOTE: Jungle

We could also just lynch scum

VOTE: rosterfoster

he votes roster because roster voted me, his other scumread? this doesn't make much sense on its face so let's dig deeper:

On the Phone so i'll make it brief:

Roster opens with RVS vote on me, later tries to get credit for 'leading the wagon' on me, only to be called out by Draco that it's prolly a bad idea to be on a wagon containing Jungle which indicates Roster should be scumreading Jungle. After this callout Roster switches votes to Jungle (being directed there by Draco instead of coming to that Obvious conclusion himself).

It gives me a feeling that Draco's got a scumteam of Jungle and Roster by the ballz (including Draco's push on Jungle re the 3 conf town he mentioned)

As it stands right now, lynching in Jungle or Roster

he summarizes roster's actions without offering any analysis as to why it's scummy other than icon's "feeling" that draco's caught me & roster "by the ballz." i don't think an uninformed townie trying to sort between me, roster, & draco comes to the conclusions icon comes to. why is icon assuming that draco's town in this exchange? and you'd think a townie who scumreads me wouldn't immediately vote someone else for voting me without pausing a bit to engage the player?

the roster push feels fake & it's especially telling that icon questions me further but while pushing roster without further questioning. it looks like icon's pushing lynchbait in roster because it's easy not because icon wants to sort roster & meanwhile he's hesitantly scumreading me while feeling out whether i'm lynchable before pushing.

i'm a wildcard after all so while scum want me mislynched they probably don't feel comfortable pushing my lynch at this point in the game, at least given my activity levels & confidence in the game. icon fits the pattern of how i'd expect scum to play around me while at the same time pushing easy lynchbait.

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you always mislynch all the townies brass why do you keep doing this? it's like you don't learn from your mistakes or something & keep going after the obvious townies instead of the awkward scum.

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no you don't brass.

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it's so annoying playing with an obvtownie who consistently votes his own teammates instead of the scum.

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why are you voting me brass & don't say "because you're scum" tell me why you think that.

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I've pointed out you have scummy posts, you are hedging on some slots and deciding to throw out meta reads alone with what I'm not sure if they are real meta. Especially when you actually think I don't eventually game solve, like, either you are delusional or lying about that shit.

why can't i be "uncertain" instead of "hedging" & why is that scummy at the points where i posted it? why are you ignoring the "hedging" from other slots or the "hedging" that you often display as town?

merry & pippin both confirmed that my meta on them was dead on so why question it? and of course the guy i'm calling scum has to deny the meta what else is he going to do, admit that i'm right about him? and either way what's scummy about using meta as a form of scumhunting? why would scum me lie about meta when it's so easily checked by others in the game & when i'm actively encouraging others to check?

i'm not saying you don't make attempts to solve the game, i'm saying your attempts tend to result in mislynches because your beliefs about what's scummy aren't very useful for sorting. and yes, i've looked at your games & the results you're getting in them based on your reads in the games & it's not great. so yes i'd appreciate if you went back to those games & learned from your mistakes instead of applying the same bad tells over and over again.

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Agreed, that's why if you're going to use meta as a basis for your reasoning please link to specific games so I don't have to blindly sift through games hoping to see what you're talking about.

And Jungle, Can you answer my question please?, which specific games of Icon's did you look at? .

no your laziness isn't an excuse to scumread me or to say i'm wrong, if you don't have the energy to look for yourself you can ignore the meta stuff & evaluate the non-meta stuff, do you disagree with that part of my analysis?

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what points?

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i'm not scummy.

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a revised case on icon without the use of meta:

for starters icon's read & push on me as seen in 205, 206, & continued in 296. i think townies likely drop this three-obvtown line of inquiry before either of these posts. why is icon tunneling this inquiry when there's so much other posting to sort me? and either way i don't think town call me a "tough read" while saying i'm scum with roster, which brings me to my next point on icon.

his push on roster is even worse than the push on me:

yeah you’re right.

VOTE: Jungle

We could also just lynch scum

VOTE: rosterfoster

he votes roster because roster voted me, his other scumread? this doesn't make much sense on its face so let's dig deeper:

On the Phone so i'll make it brief:

Roster opens with RVS vote on me, later tries to get credit for 'leading the wagon' on me, only to be called out by Draco that it's prolly a bad idea to be on a wagon containing Jungle which indicates Roster should be scumreading Jungle. After this callout Roster switches votes to Jungle (being directed there by Draco instead of coming to that Obvious conclusion himself).

It gives me a feeling that Draco's got a scumteam of Jungle and Roster by the ballz (including Draco's push on Jungle re the 3 conf town he mentioned)

As it stands right now, lynching in Jungle or Roster

he summarizes roster's actions without offering any analysis as to why it's scummy other than icon's "feeling" that draco's caught me & roster "by the ballz." i don't think an uninformed townie trying to sort between me, roster, & draco comes to the conclusions icon comes to. why is icon assuming that draco's town in this exchange? and you'd think a townie who scumreads me wouldn't immediately vote someone else for voting me without pausing a bit to engage the player?

the roster push feels fake & it's especially telling that icon questions me further but while pushing roster without further questioning. it looks like icon's pushing lynchbait in roster because it's easy not because icon wants to sort roster & meanwhile he's hesitantly scumreading me while feeling out whether i'm lynchable before pushing.

i'm a wildcard after all so while scum want me mislynched they probably don't feel comfortable pushing my lynch at this point in the game, at least given my activity levels & confidence in the game. icon fits the pattern of how i'd expect scum to play around me while at the same time pushing easy lynchbait.[/quote]

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Really, that's all you have to say here?

i asked what the points against me are. you said i'm "really scummy" when i'm not. what else do you want me to say?

referring to meta isn't scummy.

saying that i don't want to lynch luna because i have a feeling she's lynchbait who will eventually obvtown herself isn't scummy.

saying that icon's scummy for both meta & non-meta reasons isn't scummy.

what the fuck am i supposed to do to prove i'm town? i'm one of the most active players in the game, i've been putting out more analysis about the game than anyone else in the game except hydras who i can't compete with because it's two fucking players in one, and i'm still scum? how the fuck do you come to this conclusion RC?

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What do you think of my scumread on you?

i don't think you think i'm scum but maybe you do & if so it's very annoying when skitter has pretty clearly told you that i'm town & you're a lot more likely to be wrong about a scumread than skitter is to be wrong about a townread.

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or maybe merry is scum & i'm letting them off too easy.

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i need to get better as town is the problem.

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i have to find the games & i'm feeling lazy at the moment but i guess eventually i'll go find the games again.

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it's so fun to get lynched for meta reasons when you don't even have a meta yet.

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these are precisely the kinds of posts you make as scum all the time so fuck off with this shit.

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i said i don't believe you think what you're saying & i'm not sure what it means about your alignment yet.

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if you lynch me over icon then yes i'll call you scum.

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if you lynch me over half the players in the game i'd call you scum. there's no way you think i'm scummier than icon, luna, vedith, draco, or even roster.

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you also tend to think you know who alts are so you probably think i'm someone who i'm not & that's probably biasing your read in ways that i don't have a grasp on yet.

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i thought you were reaction testing brass more than me.

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you might believe i'm someone & i'm working on figuring out who but that doesn't mean it's me? either way if i were an alt you'd have to expect i'm intentionally playing as different as possible from my normal meta, no?

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that was a secret message for you, why are you outing this publicly? so annoying.

anyway, it's nice knowing you won't vote me D1 but that still leaves the question are you going to let me get lynched by icon/brass?

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could be yeah maybe.

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you still think icon's town merry?

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you think a townie comes to the conclusion roster/me are scum based on roster voting me in response to draco's early posting?

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hey gemini do you agree or disagree with the non-meta parts of my analysis on icon?

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i saw one of those games when reading up about you both.

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And your analysis of his play is based on a number of assumptions that I don't think are necessarily true.

what assumptions? what's wrong with it?

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can you bus icon please? i don't think i'll be able to get him lynched without your help.

[Jungle Medicine]

it's a general statement directed at icon's partner.

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hahahahahahahahaha

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i've noted it.

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i thought you were reaction testing brass more than me.

i like to think this was me being very perceptive.

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i find you to be a terror brass you think i'm scum for using meta...

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i'm not an academic or lawyer brass & i'm especially not one of those things when i play mafia so no i'm not going to cite evidence for everything i say.

and why are you still ignoring all the non-meta analysis?

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i find it questionable that you'd look into the meta brass when have you ever done that as town?

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i said i'd provide it later brass i'm just lazy & citing things isn't how i want to spend my time playing mafia it's not fun something you should understand.

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And your analysis of his play is based on a number of assumptions that I don't think are necessarily true.

what assumptions? what's wrong with it?

i don't think an uninformed townie trying to sort between me, roster, & draco comes to the conclusions icon comes to. why is icon assuming that draco's town in this exchange? and you'd think a townie who scumreads me wouldn't immediately vote someone else for voting me without pausing a bit to engage the player?

-Assuming he's wrong, town comes to bad conclusions all the time.
-Maybe he's town reading us?
-I would not think that, especially early in a game.

i'm a wildcard after all so while scum want me mislynched they probably don't feel comfortable pushing my lynch at this point in the game, at least given my activity levels & confidence in the game. icon fits the pattern of how i'd expect scum to play around me while at the same time pushing easy lynchbait.

-This kind of speculation is prone to ego and error.

-U2

i didn't say icon's scum because he's wrong, nor do i see why his being wrong means he's town.

why would icon townread you so strongly at this point in the game as to believe that you've caught both the scum "by the ballz"? yes it's possible that town icon townreads you but i'm not talking about what's possible, i'm talking about what's probable.

can you find an example where you've seen a townie vote someone based on that person voting their other scumread? and even if you find an example, you're missing the point behind my analysis which is probabilities not possibilities. you're saying my analysis is bad because you can imagine possibilities where i'm wrong but that's not a counter-argument it's just how all analysis always works in mafia.

i'm talking about the probability based on my knowledge that i'm town that scum wouldn't know how to treat me given the way i'm playing this game. i think that's a fairly safe thing to say since i don't have any meta to check & i'm playing in ways that might seem scummy on the surface but have an underlying confidence behind them that tends to scare scum away from pushing a lynch too strongly. these are probabilities, not mere speculation. saying it's prone to "ego" or "error" applies to all analysis in mafia so i'm not sure why you're singling this out as special somehow.

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Then don't rely on it.

i didn't rely on it, that's why i said one line about meta & everything else was non-meta related. you're the one who ignored all the non-meta stuff & still won't address any of it even though i put it into a new post that doesn't use the word meta even once.

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VOTE: Draco

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I think we see scum hunting differently, for sure. I also think that he voted roster because of the circumstances leading up to and including his vote on you, and not because he voted Icon's scum read. That wasn't a good reason because no one involved seemed to have any clue as to where the votes had actually been cast, but you're misrepresenting what happened here.

people knew where the votes had been cast, the misunderstanding was on your part. roster was talking about leading the wagon that i was a part of, not on leading the wagon on me, which you misinterpreted. then you suggested roster vote me. roster voted me. that's the exchange. the entire thing is laid out in my case so that there's no confusion on anyone's part. i didn't misrepresent what i literally put in the case in full to avoid that accusation.

but it's okay you're scum who didn't read my case with the depth of analysis that a townie U2 would have, and now you will hang for it.

[Jungle Medicine]

UNVOTE:

[Jungle Medicine]

what do you want to do merry i'm feeling lost?

[Jungle Medicine]

how do we feel about lynching draco?

[Jungle Medicine]

i'm not looking to policy lynch but there's a higher than random chance draco's scum, no?

[Jungle Medicine]

no i don't approve of policy lynching under any circumstance, i expect mods to intervene if things get really bad.

[Jungle Medicine]

i'm giving it serious thought at this point.

[Jungle Medicine]

probably best not to judge the player until he flips town, an important lesson.

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what're your reads draco?

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i don't understand how a townie comes to hold the reads you have.

why is brass/roster town?

why am i town despite having an 'awful' push on icon?

how the hell is icon town?

why is starwing scum?

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i don't see how you come to those reasonable conclusions about me while calling my push on icon 'awful,' there's some type of disconnect going on that isn't sitting well with me.

[Jungle Medicine]

please explain why icon's town next that's what i want to talk about.

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p.edit sure, I'll do Ico next

Brass feels like the brassherald I've played with before. He's a little bit jokey, a little bit quick to anger.

His push on you over meta is a good example, so is his early exchange with vedith. None of that frustration felt fake.

having just read his iso again, I'm not sure there is anything outside of the little I understand of his town-meta?

I like the way he's made the pushes, I like the L-1 on starwing

I really like the reasoning for the unvote in 501

Why should I be scum reading any of this?

the question isn't why you aren't scumreading, the question is why you're townreading it? is there anything outside his scum meta here?

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But I also kind of just don't want you to be right for the wrong reasons.

this doesn't make sense why wouldn't you want me to be right? and who are you to say my reasons are wrong if icon's scum? do you have some sort of perfect meta knowledge on what makes icon scum in his games?

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talk to me about starwing & answer my questions on this page.

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why hasn't slaxx been contributing to the game?

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are you communicating with slaxx about the game at all or you playing this game solo?

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i don't have a strong lead yet why aren't you leading?

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i like alacrity so far.

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VOTE: draco

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how about just lynching draco today?

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Draco, Vedith, or Gemini.

Pick your lynch, Star.

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Those are very bad reads, Gem.

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Nope. Not giving any reads. Town is about to lose two townies, one of which could have been of some use. After this it should be obvious who it is, you all figure it out.

Please explain why you refused to give your reads after Roster's flip, & who the "obvious" scum were after your flip.

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I also assume you're vanilla, Gem?

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I don't understand why a townie who hammered town would get upset & refuse to give reads when they're about to die.

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Okay, cool.

Gem's town.

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Scum is within Draco/Vedith.

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Why are you town on Draco, Gem?

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VOTE: Vedith

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Gem, I'd appreciate if you tell me what your concerns are about me so that I can nip them in the bud.

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Reactionary votes are never a good sign.

Also Jungle, what made you change your mind on me just recently?

I disagree that reactionary votes are "never a good sign," especially when I already said there's a 50/50 shot of hitting scum within Vedith/Draco.

I can't tell you what changed my mind yet but I promise I'll reveal if you're insistent on lynching me & I need to prevent the mislynch. Suffice to say, it's based on information from the mod.

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Whatever happens, do NOT allow me to be hammered the way Roster was in this game before I have a chance to talk about things.

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Please voice all concerns & I'll do my best to address them before they get out of hand.

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Usually reactionary votes impov (regardless of previous "reads") usually never ends well, makes things complicated.

I had Vedith as 50/50 being scum so there's not much reason for me to withhold my vote? What did I complicate? The scum is still between Draco/Vedith. You seem to think Draco's town so Vedith's the best vote at this time.

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You can go ahead and hammer on Jungle.

This level of certainty doesn't square at all with how you approach situations as town.

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OK so again, I didn't say that Draco was town today, (so please don't say what you think I think when it's not the case)I didn't give a read either way, I said (again) that I'm trying to figure that out. Most people here (like I said before, end of last day phase) has the propensity to be scum. You're taking the term "complicate" personally when you shouldn't. I said that in the general sense, aka what's kinda happening now.

Okay, I get that you didn't expressly say that Draco was town but I'm reading the bigger picture here, & what you said is that scum was likely within Vedith, Alacrity, or me, which implies that Draco's town.

I don't see what you mean by "complicate." Vedith voted me. I voted Vedith.

Town Vedith knows that reactionary voting isn't AI. He also never pushes lynches with this level of certainty. He's not the type of player who has anything close to this level of confidence in his reads, especially not on D2 & especially not on me given our past history.

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Do you know who I'm an alt of, Vedith?

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Why do you think I'm scum, Vedith?

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What's the basis of your purported knowledge?

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What're your reads, Draco?

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Hey Star, Gem, & Alacrity, I'd like to do my best to convince each of you that we're all town & so the scum has to be within Draco/Vedith. Can you tell me if you have any concerns about each other & what they are so that I can address them. I'm confident if we band together this game solves itself.

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Process of elimination.

What I'd like to do is focus on explaining why the townies are town.

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Merry spent a lot of time on D1 feeling out the potential for a Star lynch, which I don't think he would have done to a partner when I was strongly defending against the idea of lynching Star.

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Nice, New, Jungle.

You have studied the Radiant one much to understand that about him. Have you played Mafia elsewhere? Have you studied me?

I also still find this post extremely towny & even more so after RC's flip.

[Jungle Medicine]

If you have specific concerns about Star, please voice them.

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Also Alacrity's postings, which little there are, I don't see anything scummy.

As for Alacrity, I have role based information that Alacrity's town.

Alacrity's 100% town. I won't say what my role is yet but suffice to say it confirms Alacrity as 100% town.

Yes, outing this now will likely get me killed tonight. It shouldn't matter as long as we lynch between Draco/Vedith.

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Draco should claim.

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It's possible I'm wrong about Star.

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Yeah, let's get the rest of the claims.

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I'd like Star to claim next. Then Gem.

[Jungle Medicine]

Interesting.

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Could scum have a watcher?

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Well, I can say that it's not me and I'm pretty sure that it's not Starwing.

Why not Star?

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I think it's best to lynch Vedith today.

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Has everyone claimed yet?

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lol

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If it's a town slot, I'm okay with it.

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I feel like that would be a cool mechanic for a game.

Ongoing Signups Mafia.

You may /in to the game at any time. 25/75 chance of rolling of scum/town. Game plausibly could never end.

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Only if you flipped town.

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We need to find a mod for this game. Any interest, schadd?

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lol I don't blame you

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Gem's town, U2. That's beyond debate.

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Vedith, can you talk to me about why Star is town?

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This town is overthinking a win into a loss.

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VOTE: Draco

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Ank's town.

Gem's town.

Star's town.

Lynching Draco/Vedith wins the game.

Please don't screw this up.

[Jungle Medicine]

Ank's town.

Gem's town.

Star's town.

Lynching Draco/Vedith wins the game.

Please don't screw this up.

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jungle why were you inactive for most of the day

I've said everything I've needed to say about who the scum are.

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I'm not scum.

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Gem, please vote for Draco or Vedith today.

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Ank, what do you need from me to show you that I'm town?

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Jungle I told you what I need already

A reason that keeping you alive is better than vedith or draco

Because from my perspective, the game is a town win regardless of who we lynch

I don't think it's automatically a town win regardless of who we lynch. It can't be that simple.

If scum kill you tonight, who does town lynch between Draco/Vedith?