Micro 878: Chain of Command [Game Over]

[Blake x Weiss]

Weiss head is v/la for the weekend, hoping Blake can cover post-RVS.

VOTE: zeebu

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Weiss head is v/la for the weekend, hoping Blake can cover post-RVS.

VOTE: zeebu

-W

This slot is town.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

What is that, a bad, forced joke?

Nope!

It is an indication of the following :

1. I'm not taking the game quite as seriously as the last attempt.
2. Nothing has stood out that requires a response or a comment.
3. Weiss is town.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

What does our other hydra think about this hydra?

Are you referring to me?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Liz is probably scum.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Yes ma'am.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

That was to Datisi, not Liz.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Although, one thing I will note?

Persivul's reasons for scumreading Liz are not alignment indicative for her. The reasons I'm scumreading her are completely different.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I gotta say, Liz. You really know how to push me into tunnel mode.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

What does that even mean Saudade?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Voted
Datisi
Persivul
zeebu
Saudade
Iconeum
Liz and Jack

VOTE: Liz and Jack

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Oops, Aubrey should be right above Liz and Jack. I think that slot is the second scum currently.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Another note, Voted is only a moderate townread, to give you an idea for the range of my reads.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Her posting feels natural so far and the way she's approaching the game lately feels like a natural evolution.

It's not airtight or anything since this type of read is more viable as an over time read, but I'm not seeing any reason to think she's not town so far.

Why are you not surprised I'm scumreading you?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I’m assuming it’s a association read with the hydra.

Okay, but why is this the conclusion you jumped to first rather than my scumread being entirely based on your play?

[Blake x Weiss]

Oh good, you rolled scum commander whatever thing this game.

Thank you for confirming.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Oh good, you rolled scum commander whatever thing this game.

Thank you for confirming.

-Blake

We are the Lieutenant.

Good luck.

-Blake

Okay, so how certain are you of your read on us, that you’re willing to risk losing the game for town?

I said, “pretty much” for a reason. Do you honestly think scum!me, adds that in there because we’re scum?

The only way we will NOT be confitown S2, is if there’s a scum captain in this setup

.

Unless you think I’m lying about us being a Lieutenant, you shouldn’t be voting us here.

No, I'm confscumming you exactly because of how you're playing this.

You were town captain last game and played like you would a VT without even bringing your role up as a defense against the early pressure you got against your slot. This game, you're claiming to have a similar role, and yet you are overly defensive and expecting to get bailed out by the fact that you apparently rolled a similar role this time too?

I'm not seeing any reason for town!Liz to suddenly change this drastically from game to game with the same type of role, but I

can

see why you'd be looking to play up this angle as scum, especially knowing that I specifically played around knowing one of them was town last time to try to push the game to a state where scum couldn't win with the secondary win condition.

This is even without taking into account that the way you've been playing this game drastically skews towarda your normal scum mindset rather than your normal town mindset like last game.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

What the fuck is going on

???????

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

VOTE: Aubrey

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Liz and Jack (Anonymous Hydra) -- HMMM?
Voted -- honorary scum for iso 2 (might be town but that post was really 0.o)
Iconeum -- MIA
Persivul -- town
zeebu -- way more passive than last game?
Datisi -- seems really passive compared to one newbie game I glanced at, kinda leaning scum off that but I'll meta more later in the week
Saudade -- this slot is actually moose-aligned I'm pretty sure
Aubrey -- me and blake talking about this, not gonna talk about this read with main list rn

I have a severe shortage of townreads at the moment so that's gross, kinda was hoping when weekend was over I'd be able to solve more slots. sad

-weiss

[Blake x Weiss]

Liz and Jack is probably town.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

UNVOTE: Aubrey

This wagon is bad.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Liz and Jack is probably town.

-Blake

No, you do not just drop that. You need to explain it.

What? The scumread or the townread?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Liz actually posted content

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Afk from the game for a while (on the order of days)

Talk to Weiss

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

VOTE: Zeebu

- Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Just need one more strong townread and my work here will be done.

Make it happen, everyone.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

That was a reaction test.

They failed.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I expect Voted is probably the other scum, but I have two other slots I'm not currently townreading and Zeebu is one of them, plus I want to sort at least one more to town before pushing for any one specific slot.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Cool, I don't see town in Voted.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

But is trying to stir things up a bit at least.

Show your work, I see no evidence of this.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

But is trying to stir things up a bit at least.

Show your work, I see no evidence of this.

-Blake

As an addendum to this, I'm actually seeing evidence of him attempting to

not

do this.

Assuming that he, as town, plays to try to bait reactions like this every game, his play this game should be raising red flags instead of looking town.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Self-voting as a reaction test. Sheeping a wagon same reason. I'm not a personal fan of those plays, but I don't scumread Voted for them.

His self-voting is not a reaction test since he outright said exactly why he was doing it in the first place. There's no evidence that indicates he got anything from this 'test' either.

The sheep vote is not a reaction test, this post is proof.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I think that trying to read him at all is a waste of time, especially on day one.

Reading around him is very likely a better way to read him than to try to decipher what he's saying.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

The possibilities are wide open for this game, apart from a few players who are
very
very
unlikely to be scum
Voted is just like everyone else is still in the pool

I don't buy that this is a thought process you legitimately had. Expand.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

That's fine, because there's exactly one scum in those two anyways.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

What about it is hard to understand?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Because Liz and Jack is scum.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

That was a reaction test.

They failed.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

By not showing me that they're town when given the opportunity to. I find their approach when the pressure is reduced to be scum-indicative.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Am I drunk after only one beer? Am I hallucinating Baezu not being in this game or not?

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

oh you mean zeebu? dude you can't say beezu that's just one letter off baezu

[Blake x Weiss]

We talk on discord. That being said I'm like way overgamed rn and Blake is busy with work so we're jostling over who will take the backer-backer seat lol

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Yep, discord is exactly the word about these reads.

We hydra because we will push each other about our reads, not because we groupthink. Early day 1 Blake tends to have stronger townreads and I tend to have stronger scumreads but we both struggle with certain types of deep wolves and both can bite into mislynchbait so I don't try to overdetermine her reads frankly. We will solve more as the information in the game develops.

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Prodge

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

VOTE: Iconeum

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

The last several pages are all nonsense.

This tunneling needs to stop.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

The last several pages are all nonsense.

This tunneling needs to stop.

-Blake

How did it happen that you had Weiss readed me, one as townies, one as one of the scumiest?
Absolutely different reads.

What's wrong with that?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

This game has me contemplating my entire existence

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Weiss is so overgamed that I'm like 80% of the hydra atm

We've barely even talked about it

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

The last several pages are all nonsense.

This tunneling needs to stop.

-Blake

How did it happen that you had Weiss readed me, one as townies, one as one of the scumiest?
Absolutely different reads.

What's wrong with that?

-Blake

You have PT (on Discord), yet you have so different reads.

Yes, and?

Would you rather Weiss just filter all her thoughts to me privately so that nobody else sees what her thoughts are?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Man you all are strange.

Hydras are like 300x harder to read when they do that.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I'm feeling a Voted+Iconeum team right now

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Btw Liz left her scumrange, she's town. Derail the wagon please.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I have to double check my reasoning for Aubrey town, but if it still checks out then I think the game is close to a hard solve. I have three locktowns and he would make it four.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I need to double check Datisi too, I feel like I should be townreading her atm and I'm not.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Aubrey don't say things that ping me right after I decide to double check my townread on you please

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I think in a scum!voted world, he did that to look like he's still trying to make plays or at least not seem passive.

I would need to double check the context to be sure but in a vacuum that makes sense.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I am willing to compromise on an Ico lynch otherwise im not derailing no wagon

Yeah

Well

You can suck on a lollipop, sausage

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I think in a scum!voted world, he did that to look like he's still trying to make plays or at least not seem passive.

I would need to double check the context to be sure but in a vacuum that makes sense.

-Blake

The easier spots though would be to TR myself and Pers though.

Voted is known to make plays and take risks though, I wouldn't judge him as the type of scum to take the easy road out unless I saw strong evidence of it myself.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

The last several pages are all nonsense.

This tunneling needs to stop.

-Blake

How did it happen that you had Weiss readed me, one as townies, one as one of the scumiest?
Absolutely different reads.

What's wrong with that?

-Blake

You have PT (on Discord), yet you have so different reads.

1) want to talk about it
2) why am I scum now?

Because you're not town

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

It's especially suspect of you to do that considering that B&W recently said that our wagon should be derailed (737).

Why does this matter?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

It's one thing if I'm going full speed ahead and shoving my lynch targets down everyone's throats

But I just got done having like 3 people get mad at me for not syncing with Weiss so why should my opinion about the wagon sway people lol

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Okay, serious question Voted.

Is this really going to have any impact on the game for you?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Weiss literally caught up with the game all at once and posted her thoughts in the thread.

We've had very little discussion outside of the game because she hasn't really been reading for most of it, it's basically been 80-90% just me spewing out random thoughts.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Hmmkay. Scum!Blake would leave Weiss same instructions who to push/ who to pocket, who to call scum and who town.

This is actually not how I handle scum hydras. I play the macro game, not the micro game as scum.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Auro hasn't said he's paranoid about me yet, therefore he is confscum.

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Hmmkay. Scum!Blake would leave Weiss same instructions who to push/ who to pocket, who to call scum and who town.

This is actually not how I handle scum hydras. I play the macro game, not the micro game as scum.

-Blake

Sure, although it's accurate for my head since I probably would not have even posted day 1 if I had rolled scum LOLOLOL

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Auro was in Terk and Tantor last game

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

I think Voted/Auro is not S/S btw

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

[Blake x Weiss]

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Wtf was Auro stuck on like page 10?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Blake if you wanna talk about why you think i'm scum i'll be here

You stand out among the slots I don't have sorted as town.

You and Datisi I feel like I should have sorted as town if you are town and yet I just don't. This is the most strange in your case.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I thought your back and forth with Zeebu was bizarrely not town.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Like in a vacuum I SHOULD be townreading it.

Yet I'm not.

And that fact alone is making me think it's because you're not town.

[Blake x Weiss]

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

VOTE: Datisi

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

It's almost like you're tunneling a town slot when your reads would otherwise be strong if you correctly townread them, Saudade.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I'm not going to waste my and everybody else's time by humoring that argument.

Go ahead and waste your time deathtunneling town, I'll be looking to actually try and win in the meantime.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Oh believe me, I've learned from that game.

Reading you wrong specifically was not a mistake that lost us the game.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

So like

Michael Scott is town because Nancy left her scumrange before replacing out.
Aubrey is town.
Persivul is town.
Zeebu and Voted I feel have the most consistent mindset in a way that I believe they'd struggle to have as scum. I think they would've buckled or at least shifted a bit to pressure.

Saudade is just perpetually null, I don't care enough to sort him.

Iconeum has this weird undertone to his posts that make me think he's not speaking naturally, something about how he's emphasizing certain things at certain times that don't sit right or something, either way I don't get the impression that he's legitimately sorting as much as putting on the show to.
Datisi doesn't feel like she's sorting at all, just sitting in the back coasting. There's been a few instances of reads being given, but it's few and far between and otherwise I haven't gotten the impression she's been trying to solve the game this whole time.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Tldr can we just lynch one of Iconeum and Datisi please.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

But that's all you had to say to/about the slot you are the most confused on alignment wise when they push you and one of your top townreads as the scumteam?

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Strategy vs Tactics

I play strategically, not tactically.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Which reads

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I don't bother to read Saudade because afaik he has like no tells that I've been able to recognize and from what I know, he also can't be sorted by BoP since he isn't especially accurate as town (and I've seen a bus strategy from him before).

Therea enough sortable slots this game that I feel it's a complete waste of time to even try. I'll sort him based on how I'm reading everyone else, which currently equatea to town because I already have two reasonably strong scumreads.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Iconeum read is hard to put into words.

[Blake x Weiss]

Oh I thought his back and forth with Zeebu was really off if that helps.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Oh it was his posts on p21, now I remember.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Yup.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

VOTE: Iconeum

[Blake x Weiss]

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Weiss might stop in at some point, I don't know. We somewhat melded today.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Also, I'm spicy.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

Persivul still town, Ico wouldn't have been my first choice here, but this day is dragging and I don't think my reads are that strong tbh so w/e

-W

[Blake x Weiss]

Ego post.

-Blake

[Blake x Weiss]

I'll let Weiss have this one. We can lynch scum tomorrow, then.

VOTE: Zeebu

-Blake