Micro 882: Public Cop 9P [Game over!]

[RadiantCowbells]

pls consider that using the public cop on the player who is getting nightkilled at least 80% of the time and ending up with no result isn't the best usage of that PR

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VOTE: Flubber

No L-2s thank you

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Also hi how are you did you roll town this game

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Hi Firebringer

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Fire told me the identities of every single scum player
This game will be so easy now

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You're still voting flubbernugget.

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VOTE: Shoshin

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It doesn't have to be fun.

But your opener was doubly forced and I think keeping your vote down is a far more scum indicative than town indicative play.

Even that response that doesn't comment on my alignment (this is boring) is scum indicative for you.

This isn't RVS and this isn't just retaliation for your maintained flubbernugget, this is a serious vote that I'm placing earlier than I otherwise would because of the flubbernugget situation.

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Sorry that you rolled scum.

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Yeah I know what you're going for trying to stick to your guns on the Flubbernugget thing like it was a momentum play but town you isn't that basic and nothing you've done is towny.

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You could speed it up by voting Flubb instead of me.

Yet you're asking Zulfy to vote Flubbernugget

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I really don't enjoy starting games with you this way, yet you keep doing it for no reason. My alignment will be obvious before this day's over, so this is entirely unnecessary.

Your alignment is already obvious and I'm not going to unvote you when you're making scum motivated plays.

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Town you attempts to understand me then retaliatory votes me viscerally when you can't. There's none of that here, my motivation for voting you as town even if I didn't scumread you would have been super clear and I think that you would have tried to establish good relations with me rather than stick to your guns about a meaningless RVS wagon when you know perfectly well I can generate content without wagons.

Ok yeah you're just scum; I'm running out of checkboxes for scum you to fill.

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If RC actually pushes my lynch here, he's scum.

You're saying this rationally
Town you doesn't make this post rationally
You make it in a fit of emotionality

You're trying to be town you by imitating the broader kinds of things that town you says and does in response to situations without understanding the context of them.

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Is there a noun version of visceral

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You're already making up lies about me, lol. Wow.

Never a town post. Imagine town Shoshin saying lol to me "making up lies" about her instead of calling me out.

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When I die, lynch RC.

He's 100% scum here.

Where's your fight?
Why are you making the battle a tomorrow battle if you're town?
Etc.

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Shoshin is going through the motions of making all the posts that town her should making here but none of them feel like they fit.

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A solid chunk of them Shoshin gets very emotional under pressure.

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Read our last game 762. Or like any of her games with me. I've pushed her to the point she's made ~posts like this~ before but they always came from a place of frustration and general emotion. What she's doing here is making these statements like they're the rational and sensible thing to do with no visible emotional attachment to them. I don't buy it.

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It's not gut and I also went way out of my way to explain to her how I went from point A to point B and she neither engaged me on any of it nor called me out on all the lies that I supposedly made.

I want to say her ignoring the existence of the cop is also scummy but empirically I don't think it is, so.

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Shoshin as town would be arguing with the content of my posts (which by the way I went out of my way to express in a way that she would be able to meaningfully answer if she was town) rather than just handwaving everything as 'yeah it's scum RC' without actually arguing the point.

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I'll explain why RC's scum later.

Dunno it's really easy for you as town to just say I'm trying to eliminate you because I'm scared of you. And I think if you were town actually caught in the crossfire you'd give whatever response immediately came to you rather than sitting and thinking about it. You're buying time.

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I have absolutely nil motivation to give you time if you're going to pander to the crowd and call me scum instead of try to convince me I'm wrong by the way.

RC if you are scum, what behaviors should I look for to catch you

This is the way wrong question.

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Does anyone disagree with me that it should be obvious from Shoshins point of view that my push on her is in good faith because knee jerk calling me scum without it being an emotional overreaction seems so, so out of place to me.

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All of that logic is so flawed

You correctly argue that I wouldn't push you as town as a reaction test but this is clearly not a reaction test and I said that immediately and even lampshades that truth.

I don't think you can possibly think this isn't how I deal with you if I scumread you, particularly given our last game where you were scum.

I'm also explicitly not trying to make you blow up: I've gone out of my way to convey my thoughts in a way that should I have been wrong town you would find on your wavelength so to speak and rather than engage me on any of that you've instead chosen to call me scum. If I wanted to piss you off it's evident from prior games that I know how to push those buttons and I had the choice all this time of shutting down engagement and just saying "lol Shoshin scum" until you died.

And you telling someone to vote Flubber to speed up the game is absolutely you signalling to everyone in the game that it was a pressure vote from you.

Why are you so wrong?

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Actually fuck off Katy

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I'll explain why RC's scum later.

Dunno it's really easy for you as town to just say I'm trying to eliminate you because I'm scared of you. And I think if you were town actually caught in the crossfire you'd give whatever response immediately came to you rather than sitting and thinking about it. You're buying time.

This is a massive misrepresentation of reality. I hate how effective you are at doing this as scum.

Sorry I said literally the same thing you said in a post that came later and it's a massive misrepresentation of reality? And if you mean you reacting emotionally in real time is a representation, if I'm wrong, show that that's not typically how you respond to things.

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Actually fuck off Katy

sorry i can see that this is going to be unpleasant for everyone from a mile away? if you're town i think you're right but im never going to figure out you're town from this

YOUR INABILITY TO READ ME IS NOT MY PROBLEM

[RadiantCowbells]

Why'd you misrep my reaction testing of Zulfy as "support for Flubb's wagon"?

You told someone to vote someone

And are trying to argue that you didn't show support for that wagon

Are we done here?

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But you still are acting emotionally

Or at least

Your responses aren't logical responses to anything that I'm saying

But unlike in the contextual games it isn't clear following the thread of your posting that you're in an emotional 'hot state'

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You could speed it up by voting Flubb instead of me.

This is close enough that even if you disagree that that's exactly what you were doing you would never make it a hill to die on that that isn't what you were doing if you were arguing in good faith.

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And I think it's super obvious from your point of view that refusing to unvote flubbernugget alone is going to bait a negative response from me. In 761 you never placed any extraneous votes because I was asking the lobby not to place extraneous votes. How does town you not expect me to react in at least a similar way to this as town?

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Wait why is this an issue that early in the game?

It's not

The issue is that she's denying it.

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The issue is that she knows how I feel about keeping people away from quickhammers, she played around those feelings in 761, then comes into this game in a way that she had every reason to believe would antagonize me then calls me scum for being antagonized when her posting is lucid in a way that doesn't indicate that she's reacting like this because she's not thinking b/c she's sad or mad or frustrated or w/e

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It's so annoying to deal with scum you because of posts like this.

Because I post obviously true statements that you're engaging me in bad faith?

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You don't?

How can you possibly think that's not true when you were my top townread in our last game and I told everyone to lynch you if you didn't conform to my lynch order?

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VOTE: oversoul

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It's ok I think you're scum as well so you not agreeing isn't a -

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yeah

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VOTE: Commie Hydra

Unrelated to Oversoul's garbage selfvote

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Shoshin you really need to do not that if you're town.

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Oversoul was throwing in questions in a way that was pretty safe and common for scum to do, perpetual gather info mode without taking a meaningful stance. Not lockscum but definitely +scum.

Katyusha simultaneously said that we were SvT (profiteering off of our spat assuming that you are in fact town but also probably bad if you aren't) then told us to stop yelling at each other. Not only that but the stuff that giggles said was about 'reading me correctly' and idk. On a simple level it makes sense as scum trying to have their cake and eat it too by calling us SvT and trying to look Towny for splitting up a TvT but on a deeper level I just don't think that's what Katy would say to me in that situation.

Notably I thought none of your responses would be what they were but here we are. Though I do know Katy significantly better than I know you.

[RadiantCowbells]

gonna be blunt i dont see how any of this is actually productive

can we just have rc/shoshin not interact until they townread each other early on or if later in the day there's still scumreads there resolve it then? i think it's entirely likely shoshin or rc could be scum here but if the day is going to turn into rc/shoshin i'd rather delay that for once i have a handle on everyone else :/

ftr i think this is probably a svt interaction just a very inevitably annoying one that could easily turn -ev

This is all weird

Like on the surface 'hey let's put this off til later' is protown but I feel that there's a specific standoffishness to the fact that it's Me VS Someone Else that wouldn't be present if Katy were town. I think she'd have engaged me about it rather than talking about ~the gamestate~.

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When exactly did I say I knew how to read you in like the last two years Katy jw

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I barely know you as a mafia player anymore
That response doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

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I feel like someone should be able to back me up that they've seen scum react to big spats in the same way that Oversoul did, by asking questions that don't directly solve the situation?

Why is this game so fucking weird about me

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Anyway

VOTE: Oversoul

Katy's response was fine and I was diffident in the scumread in the first place because it felt like the same kind of read I had on Shoshin that I'm not feeling so great about. Most of the "objective" reasoning I didn't actually put much stock in.

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This feels like you're trying to underplay how well you know me for when I flip town.

But I'm not voting you. So...

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You know Katy better than me but can't read Katy, RC? I'm very confused by this.

I know Katy as a person outside of mafia. We play DnD and sometimes Skribbl.io. I used to know them as a mafia player but like a longtime ago.

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This feels like you're trying to underplay how well you know me for when I flip town.

But I'm not voting you. So...

You unvoted me in Fire too, despite planning to lynch or kill me ASAP...

I unvoted you in Fire because I couldn't handle your AtE.

If I wanted to push and lynch you early this game I wouldn't have been going so far out of my way to talk your language reads wise and I wouldn't have repeatedly prompted you to answer my posts

If I'm scum here I definitely wasn't playing to lynch you.

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I feel like someone should be able to back me up that they've seen scum react to big spats in the same way that Oversoul did, by asking questions that don't directly solve the situation?

I've seen town do it too so I dunno this seems like a bad reason to vote Oversoul.

Then who should I be voting exactly?

I think that Oversoul's line of questioning is the scummiest thing in the game right now. I think that you and Katy are being weird about me in a way that I'm finding it impossible to stay meaningfully.

I have no fucking clue what you think you're doing right now is what role it would have if I was scum

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The context in this post seems to refer to knowing Katy better in mafia specifically, not outside of mafia. Like, what's the point of even saying you know Katy better than me if you're not talking about mafia? This feels like you're trying to leave a paper trail to argue you don't know how to read me after you lynch me.

On some level you have to realize if I wanted you dead as scum you'd end up dead, right? And since when do I make excuses for my mislynches as scum before the fact?

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Did you read the post where I said that the 'objective reason' (ie that) wasn't something I actually put a great deal of stock in and was just something I was throwing in to sweeten the pot for people who won't take 'RC reads this as that's as an answer?

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I don't feel like you're really answering my concern, RC. Why mention that you know Katy better than me in that post? What's the point of that?

To make it seem more appealing to you even though a similar argument used against you went awry (presuming that you are in fact town)

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I don't understand what you're saying here. Please clarify.

I'm saying I said that because it's universally appealing but it wasn't ever my reason for the vote.

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And I think you should be plenty familiar with me giving a -universal appeal- reason and a -this is why I actually think they're scum- reason

And I had already said that I didn't think that reason was that great before you called it out, for the record.

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My Oversoul read isn't going to spew me town. It's a vote that I still consider reasonably solid equity but it's not a spicy read. Katy was a spicier read but also one I was on the fence about.

If you're looking for me to have certain caught scum by now for super enticing reasons, well, I don't.

But I get to there by going through here.

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You can't correctly lynch me as scum today so if that's how you feel you maximize your win equity by locking me as town.

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It would also be so fucking easy for scum you to do exactly what you're doing and I don't have a way to meaningfully differentiate. I hate this game already. I hate people being able to get away with so much shit around me.

No read at all, as far as I can tell he's done nothing readable

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What if I said the same thing? Where do we get then?

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Why am I obliged to sort you and not the other way around? I just have to move on from all that absolute trash you said about my play

Why am I obliged to play around Katy's way of reading me and not the other way around

Why am I the one who is inevitably going to be held responsible if I lynched you and was wrong when you did the same to me

It's double standards out the ass

Do you not see the problem with you having expectations of something but not giving it in return?

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Yes Robert de Niro I'm talking to you

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I'm not sure this is AI for Zulfy ftr

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Speaking of things that I can't sort

How am I supposed to determine your alignment from that Zulfy

If I'm town I still need to find scum

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Also you respond to a page of me bitching about people treating me weird for being me with that lol

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What is mafia even

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This is a weird game.

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No one is going to hold it against your skill as a mafia player, I mean.

Whereas if I mislynch you on my main I get so much flak

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Are you really still pushing that Shoshin

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Megalovania intensifies

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Are you really still pushing that Shoshin

Pushing what?

Me

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You should unvote me then and put the kettle on for tea.

I don't get how you interpret this as me pushing you, RC.

I don't get how you expect me to see it any other way

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Okay sure I'm not holding it against you as much now.

How do you expect that to not be my immediate response?

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Okay but you expect me to take who you are into account and you know how I feel about stuff like that so...

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I don't know yet

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Don't vote Oversoul though, no L1

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But I'm not still mad about it because you explained.

Doesn't change the fact that that's my initial gut impulse and that's not going to change and I'd have thought by now you'd expect that

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Shoshin do you think if I'm town we can win this game 100% of the time

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Is 75% winrate not good enough for you here?

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It's not really a weird question.

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What is this mythical playerlist

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Maybe I'm good at scum and it's not a playerlist thing

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I would like some tea

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There's enough content for everyone to engage with, I think I should slow down for a few days or until I have something big

I think Zulfy is town

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Dunn do you have any other thoughts on the game

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Dunn do you have any other thoughts on the game

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

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I'm not sure if I actually like the Oversoul wagon hm

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Umm

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I heard a Frost Giant.

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Katy what's your read on me

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I think he's arguing the cop should out D2

Why are you townreading Dunn? This seems plenty within his scum abilities and he hasn't answered prompts from me for reads.

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I do think there is pretty reasonable odds of Katy actually being scum.

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You're typing weird katydid

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Ms. Katydid can you please link your last 3 scum games

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It's pretty reasonable for the cop to not claim in 5 way because if they live to 3 way 3 way is at worst a 1v1

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RC, did you instantly scumread Shoshin or was it a pressure thing that evolved into a scumread?

Why did you avoid answering this, RC?

It seemed like a pretty mediocre question and it still does.

That said it was an instant scumread.

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And i don't know how you wouldn't have figured that out reading my posts I think that I was pretty explicit.

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I bet that LUV isn't making his IC post so the newbies can't catch him.

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my imaginary friend thinks that katy is scum

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UNVOTE:

hi nsg how are you

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flubber posting is pretty bad
katy is my main scumread

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Dunn posting isn't at all good and Katy randomly saying that they townread him feels very pocket-y

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schadd posting isn't great

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VOTE: CCC

Like this vote now

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if i were trying to split up a tvt i wouldn't fucking say "this is scum v scum but let's revisit it later" because, you know, people would expect me to follow up on that

This is one of my biggest reasons

The self meta both doesn't make sense and feels scummy

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I also feel like her Oversoul Dunn reads are TMI townreads

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Like she talks about the game like she's scum

Assumes good faith from people early wrt OS Dunn but gives me no such presumed good faith even though she like usually trends towards giving me good faith

It also feels like a -good read- idk how to explain that further

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How is "If I were trying to do X I'd do Y" not self meta

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That uhhh probably makes oversoul town??

Bout damn time someone realized. But why did you say this?

It kinda looked like wagon resistance at first the way everyone unvoted, but it could have also been scum afraid of a bus going through. So no good info out of it right now.

Still kinda think you're town from your inital questioning but not by much

Flubber also bad posting

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LUV is bad posting but in a different way

I expect Shoshin to immediately assert that I'm SvS with LUV

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What does TMI mean in the context of mafia?

Not buying this at all.

If you think he's lying what's his motivation to lie

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RC why are you guns blazong on scum reading two people but hedging on me

???

this is a pretty big misrep unless 2 people = KatyPurr

As of right now I'm guns blazing on Katyscum, you're my second strongest scumread, LUV is my eh read

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What does TMI mean in the context of mafia?

Not buying this at all.

If you think he's lying what's his motivation to lie

To look like he’s trying to sort people.

Historically I've seen scum lie in a situation like this like once?

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Also what's the point of 390
What's the significance of me hedging on you?

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So shoshin is town now?

What kind of question is this?

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I'm going to try to figure out if CCC is town (not sure how to read their current play) and work with them

i probably wouldnt have a read on my play rn

i at least feel that you're likely town rn - who do you wanna vote?

Katy what's your read on me

in all honesty, none, hence the way i'm approaching this game

i'm probably going to reread the earlier pages once i figure out dunn/schadd/others

just a vibe, i agree he's within scumrange objectively but when i get there i'll get there

I do think there is pretty reasonable odds of Katy actually being scum.

i mean i dont think i've done anything townie so this isnt like, a farfetched conclusion

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Flubber is posting like scum too

Maybe CCC Flubber and this is easy game

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I mean as a question sure

But you were leading somewhere with me softballing you that hasn't happened, and "so Shoshin is town now" also feels like you're trying to attack me rather than learn my Shoshin read.

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So shoshin is town now?

What kind of question is this?

It's fair to ask given the early game. If you flipped on that push i missed it because back and forths (esp laden in meta) are tough to read

He doesn't to me and your reads confuse the fuck out of me

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Meant to be at Shoshin

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I mean sure. Schadd can be town. Not saying he -isnt-. I'm saying that it's not a read I'd have and I'm not sure where it comes from. 403 is okay but I don't think it's a post that says he's not scum a la some of Zulfy's.

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Okay, there's common ground. What do you think of CCC?

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:\

Those seem like LHF reads even though Dunn is scum a solid % of the time

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I unno

I scumread OS at one point at least

I'm relying on -something- to solve this game.

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I ended up putting less faith in the scumtells I saw and was looking for other things to scumread him that didn't materialize.

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I'm not saying he's been generally townie

I'm saying that generally Oversoul has been town in past games


I'll avoid that question for a moment:

Would you vote CCC?


Flubbernugget's recent interactions felt like he was trying to make me look scummy rather than sort me

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I have already given a few points

Mostly I just feel it.

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I would do ur dad a lot

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wait is that outside of acceptable MS parlance I'm too drunk to tell

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It looks bad that you can play very aggressively to get the game going, but once the town seems directionless you stop doing that. It's like you want to play into that kind of a gamestate.

What does this even mean?

I tried to get the game going in the early game and I can't maintain that momentum indefinitely. How is that something you're pushing as a scumtell?

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I think I'm right on both Flubber and CCC

I'm finding it really difficult to imagine this present push on me being town

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Like, why is no one else responsible for the gamestate

If I wanted the gamestate to be slow like this why speed it up in the first place

I get really strong vibes from Flubber that his interactions with me are dishonest and that he was just looking for some reason to push me as scum and that adds up with what feels like an all over the place scumread progression on me that -had- to end in a scumread if that makes sense so yeah

VOTE: flubbernugget

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Partially want to go back to CCC because shitty scumreads on me are my biggest error vector as a town player but this push on me is so, so bad.

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He doesn't believe what he's saying, I can say that with 100% certainty

And I think he's low percentage to be attempting to policy lynch me

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I hate having to play "could this person be town trying to lynch me for out of game reasons" roulette.

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Do I even lynch CCC scum if Flubber's not scum?

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Nah I'm killing Flubber today

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As both scum and town, yes.

And it was extremely ubiquitous in the time period that your experience with me was from for me to completely disappear from thread until I had a scumread then deathtunnel them without giving reasons. Self described my town play as "punctuated equilibrium" where I go super hard when I have something to do and don't post when I don't.

I fail to see how you mental gymnastics my slowed pace as a scumtell when you know I can maintain pace as scum, slow periods were more common from me in your experience than for people who know me now, and when the "gamestate I'm trying to create" is actually still pretty good even though it's not as dramatic. The Jenga blocks just don't stack. So are you scumreading me for something else or are you scum?

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why am I jumping the gun

why has most of the posting regarding me been saying my reads are wrong without any further elaboration on that

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why not vote flubber? he's done absolutely fucking nothing. do you think it's inherently towny of him to push on me? because scum have pushed on me nearly all of my recent games.

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Okay he might vote flubber but he really shouldnt.

why shouldn't he

you're townreading flubber? why

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so why do you townread him

why is it a bad idea to vote him if you can't articulate the slightest reason not to vote him and i have all these reasons to vote him?

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turns out i'm actually pretty good at this game zulfy even if you don't like the things that I say or how I read people.

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???

why are you doing me like this

i'm literally asking you to explain why you don't agree with my scumread and you're being hyper evasive and making this a -thing-

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gonna have to agree to disagree on exactly what is the most alignment indicative things

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i have literally no clue what the argument we're having is because you haven't said why you townread flubber.

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so i'm just reiterating that i believe what i have called him scummy for is in fact scumtells

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Does that make him town?

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like you're saying "i don't see it" but you're treating it liek "i think hes town"

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just to be clear you´ve earned a handful of scum points RC

No I haven't

And "don't see what isn't there?"

If I'm town do you not think that I'm PROBABLY more likely to be right than you are if we disagree?

Jesus your posting is so bad

[RadiantCowbells]

And there's three people with minimal to zero reads and I don't get how you can be ok with that

ok so why are you okay with that? you're going after me (who has given reads) as opposed to going after any of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

also I objectively don't not have anything to say: I have had plenty to say this game and even in my quieter stages of the game recently I've still had reads.
and I'm not voting you for doing nothing, I'm voting you for everything I said you're voting for, but you're in spite of that choosing to go for the whataboutism response and bring up the lurker thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

flubbernugget's approach to my slot is in incredibly bad faith and i feel like that should be obvious to everyone else in the game unless you view -scumreading me- as something that just happens and needs no explanation

[RadiantCowbells]

???

so.........

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you're scumreading me for only part of the game forcing everyone to contribute meaningfully when you're also making no efforts to make anyone else contribute meaningfully
you're both acknowledging that the reason for your read on me applies to everyone else but it applies to you as well, and you still consider it AI because... gotta scumread RC right?

regardless of your alignment you decided to scumread me and then after the fact came up with reasons that you thought justified it. i don't think you do this as town.

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but that's not why I'm voting you and you know it, but not being as active as you want me to be IS why you're voting me, so isn't it a valid reason?

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So it makes no sense to say I'm scummy for not doing anything

and yet you said that i'm scummy because i'm not doing enough.

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in a game where I had more posts than anyone else and almost certainly more content in those posts than anyone else and probably more content than every other player -combined- you called me scum for not forcing a frenzied pace 100% of the time.
but when I call you scum for being inactive, you start arguing that it objectively can't be a towntell to underperform. even ignoring that that's a massive misrepresentation of my scumread on you.

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I don't get it, Flubb. Why are you still voting RC when he's addressed most of your concerns, he's actively doing stuff, and you just said the rest of the game isn't doing anything? Like, this is a situation where you change your vote. You were a lot more fluid about reads in Mini 2080.

regardless of his alignment he has decided that he wants to push on me this game and arguing that I'm town won't change that because he's not voting me for reads reasons.

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you've barely said a word about reasons for your reads on anyone besides me. you may have done a lot internally that hasn't been put into thread but you've done less in thread than me for sure.

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i'm not scumreading you for badposting. i'm scumreading you for your progression on me which is scummy. everything else is an adjunct argument. you're also posting bad and doing nothing, and that's +equity scum, but it's not why I'm voting you.
I have only brought up you posting bad and doing nothing in the context of arguing with zulfy's strange nottownread on you whereby he keeps defending you while simultaneously not asserting a townread on you.

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I don't get it, Flubb. Why are you still voting RC when he's addressed most of your concerns, he's actively doing stuff, and you just said the rest of the game isn't doing anything? Like, this is a situation where you change your vote. You were a lot more fluid about reads in Mini 2080.

regardless of his alignment he has decided that he wants to push on me this game and arguing that I'm town won't change that because he's not voting me for reads reasons.

Drop the victimhood dude

no. the statement is correct. if you're going to argue it i'm treating it as a scumclaim. if you're going to push me in bad faith as town you should at least be grown up enough about it to say it honestly.

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i don't understand your schadd townread btw

think it's too easy.

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UNVOTE:

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don't want him l-1 yet.

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i'm also still thinking a lot about lynching CCC instead, they're still being scummy scums.

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oversoul and zulfy are my townreads. oversoul more certain than zulfy. i'm town. i decided to [not try to read you] until significantly later in the day but presumably if you're town i'll be there eventually.
schadd finds it very easy to be carefree as scum and struggles more in terms of making believable progressions.

Don't tell me your vote was that conditional on my push on you now

i unvoted you because you hit l-1 not because of anything else.

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like my reasons for scumreading flubber are worse than my reasons for scumreading CCC basically

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flub u have literally no say.

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:thonk:

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I Think Katydid is Scum

[RadiantCowbells]

dunn has actually been pretty good as town recently

this is not that

[RadiantCowbells]

ok real reads list
{AreCee}
{Shoshin}
{Oversoul}
{Schadd_ but mostly cuz other ppl are townreading him, Zulfy}
Null: LUV
{Dunnstral}
{Flubbernugget}
{CCC}

[RadiantCowbells]

no

but you shouldn't be hard defending your nullreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

i never got the impressino you actually understood my argument

[RadiantCowbells]

the worse my argument is the more often i hit scum tbh

[RadiantCowbells]

worse meaning in terms of how everyone else sees it

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I'm going to try to figure out if CCC is town (not sure how to read their current play) and work with them

i probably wouldnt have a read on my play rn

i at least feel that you're likely town rn - who do you wanna vote?

Katy what's your read on me

in all honesty, none, hence the way i'm approaching this game

i'm probably going to reread the earlier pages once i figure out dunn/schadd/others

like in all honesty *should* i actually be reading you in a specific way here? without flips i really dont think i could

the 2 posts in a row with [in all honesty] for example is a really really really big reason that i think katyusha is scum but bringing it up i expect everyone to just ??? what u sayin to me big boy

[RadiantCowbells]

do you want to fight me zulfy

[RadiantCowbells]

i'll tell u tomorrow

[RadiantCowbells]

why not CCC LUV

[RadiantCowbells]

so uh

are you really trying to imply I don't know Katy's posting style well enough to not see that as baseline

[RadiantCowbells]

you also tried to assert i was errantly scumread katyusha because of her use of lowercase letters, so not seeing this as the most good faith response to my scumread on you

[RadiantCowbells]

um

[RadiantCowbells]

you get that you're not exactly making it easy for me to not scumread you if you're not scum right

[RadiantCowbells]

dunn you should do things

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm really reticent about my schadd read because i was kinda expecting him to scumread me all game

[RadiantCowbells]

eh

UNVOTE:

consider my vote spiritually on dunnstral unless something changes that

[RadiantCowbells]

idk i don't think i actually know how to read schadd hon es tly

[RadiantCowbells]

The whole 'attempt to sort the hydra' in dunnstrals iso is the worst part of it

[RadiantCowbells]

i at least feel that you're likely town rn - who do you wanna vote?

I don't know yet

Since when does katy say things like -ev when talking about the game actually...

wig

Sorry which head of the hydra is speaking right now?

Is that giga?

Caty?

like this is pretty awful

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah if I had to guess at a solve RN it's Dunn/CCC

[RadiantCowbells]

I can see why people scumread LUV and i don't townread him but like

i'm not scumreading him either

[RadiantCowbells]

made up numbers

¿?

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok 1 scum is obvious

[RadiantCowbells]

Dunn why aren't you voting CCC

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyway

VOTE: CCC

That's outed at this point

Idk on second right now but it's at least somewhat more likely than rand to be dunnie boy

[RadiantCowbells]

I dunno what Schadd is

I'm curious on his thoughts on Gigs and v/v

[RadiantCowbells]

Notably I've never seen gigs scum but she's doing literally everything that I would expect scum her to be doing

Not sure how much sense that makes