Micro 890: CultD3 [Game Over; Korina Rules The World]

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WHAT UP BITCHES

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Did you really post four times so you accost my eyeballs with Goddamn COMIC SANS.

Leave Chemist be.

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Nah.

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Did you really post four times so you accost my eyeballs with Goddamn COMIC SANS.

Yes, and I refuse to use any other font for any text I have to use in ms paint

Helvetica and Georgia are fucking beautiful.

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

Not RVS.

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You're advocating a fucking policy lynch (no) and nothing but Miller claims legitimately on page one (no).

Eat rope.

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I'm gonna temporarily claim Unrecruitable townie and be On my way, claim subject to be permanized or change.

THEN WHY DOES THIS READ LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BACKPEDAL LATER.

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I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU.

TOWN, CHIME.

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Hi, chennis.

I was coldheartedking.

It'll be great to actually finish a game with you

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elsa, why isn't your claim something scum could make?

Because there's 2 slots for unrecruitable townie, but they only appear together. One PR CC and I'm dead instantly.

Notice, though, that there's a roleSTOPPER in those blocks.

You're by no means untouchable if your claim is legit.

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GP506, uhm... did you look at the setups?

There's a role STOPPER. Not roleblocker, which would stop like a cop or whatever, but a role STOPPER. That means that it can STOP the un-cultable townie from being un-cultable.

I don't understand how that's confusing.

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Big oof.

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Nah fam I misread the available roles and flippy floppied them AND assumed what they did. Biggest oof.

UNVOTE: Elsa Jay

Need contemplations.

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VOTE: chemist

I'm just gonna sheep Pine while I sit here in the embarrassment of not knowing how a role worked.

Why not you?

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Well you DID also try and replace out of Fire's game earlier? Was it cuz they were rude or something?

I would rather not discuss that one if you don't mind

...hhheeeyyy

Idk if you saw it but I left a super sincere apology after you got lynched.

Pedit: like mentally, sure, but I don't often write myself in on like reads lists and stuff that I post.

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While I've got you tho, also explain probably why not EP?

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this guy gets it

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Is coasting a scum tell these days?

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this is unproductive

this won't help you get any reads

and scum is going to hide in your noise

so, stop?

I'm curious why you think the noise won't help out scum?

help out scum not as in assist scum, but as in help reveal scum

What are your current reads?

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Okay. But why?

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Answer his questions.

HI CHEMIST.

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Who here has experience with cults?

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UNVOTE: Chemist1422
VOTE: Doctor Drew

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Who here has experience with cults?

I fail to see how useful this information would be to us.

I fail to see how, in a cult-based game, asking about people's experience with them isn't useful information to us. I've built three or four micros, a mini, a large theme that has completed and a large theme that I'm about to run. So when people say "that doesn't seem like a cult leader" or "how can we hunt cult leader instead of simply scum" I'd like to know where they're basing their opinion.

Crazy, I know.

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UNVOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Light and L

Too town to be town.

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Oh yeah? After you cult up again?

Not happening, fam.

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I can also guarantee if we lynch out of the domino pile afterward, we hit their partner.

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Okay, so...

Mainstream Mafia was six years ago. It consisted of a team of five mafia, a serial killer, and a cult leader as scum. You're more than welcome to see if you can find the pattern for yourself. When in a massive game with alignments that'll kill you twice over (meaning you could die by either a night kill or by attempting to cult them) it's a little different. The cult leader there was IFM, who was eventually replaced by Thor665.

I feel that's a bit different than what we're playing here; however, I just wanted to show it as a base model for where my head is. You play a different game as cult when you've got

threats

like that. THIS GAME IS NOT THAT GAME. The cult here have no opposition save a couple (at random) power roles that'll probably make shots in the dark because they don't know wtf they're doing. This game is cult-sided. Period. Point blank. So we, as town, absolutely fucking need to lynch the cult leader by end of D2. What does that mean, chkflip? To me, that means three things:

1. We look for scum as usual. The flavor of the scum is inconsequential to a certain degree. Mafia, wolf, alien, fucking hermaphrodite, whatever. Unfortunately, though, we have no NKA. Even VCA won't lead us to the right path fast enough. So our scum-hunting skill has to be pushed. We have to accelerate our process to help attain this goal. This lurky bullshit is just a lazy town waiting to get culted so they can auto-win after the other lazy town don't fucking do anything about it. It's gross. Play to your Goddamn win condition.

2. We

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES

claim a Goddamn thing unless a hammer is provoked. We DO NOT NEED TO KNOW who the other unrecruitable is. We NEED cult to go aiming blindly in the dark in hopes that they hit the 1 out of 6 of us that is unrecruitable. (I'm aware I'm parroting this, but this is where my brain's at rn kthx)

3. We needn't rely on the average scum tells that lead us to lynching average mafia. This isn't mafia, like, almost at all. It's town vs cult, a faction that grows against us instead of dwindling us down. We have exactly 3 mislynches (on ANYONE but the leader) before we're completely fucked. Even if we keep them down to 2 cult ALL GAME, that's 5 mislynches (on ANYONE but the leader) which is better but not great without any sort of night action to assist us. So, like point one, this game is up to us and how we deal with the fact that we have to lynch correctly now more than ever. The only cult member flip we get that'll give us solid associatives is TODAY; any other scum member flip is completely worthless to us because we have no idea when they were culted or if they started as cult. It's all 100% WIFOM. Period.

Now, why Light and L? I thought you'd never ask.

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Mainstream Micro I - Cult Leader: JacobSavage
Mainstream Micro III - Cult Leader: TheIrishPope
Mainstream Micro IV - Cult Leader: Wisdom

The 2nd micro isn't linked correctly in my wiki or I'd have that one up as well.

The general synopsis of cult in micros is to look TOWN AS FUCK so that they don't get lynched. Now,

my micros

are only different in the sense that cult leader starts 100% alone and doesn't speak among its members (because there's no cap to real cult [sorry not sorry mod] so daytalk would potentially make them too powerful a force). Eliminating that, though, and you have a very small sample of what your average player does when given the role to simply grow and survive.

What is Light and L doing?
71 - Offering advice in regards to my silly push on Elsa Jay and the grandstanding EJ did with DD.
161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)
all six or seven posts defending the chemist wagon - it's easy af to just come in and white knight the policy lynch to look town
the domino theory - it places them at the lead of town and allows them to take charge and "sort" their three dominoes while leading town wherever they want

This is all well-orchestrated attempts at looking AS TOWN AS POSSIBLE while setting themselves up to lead us down the path.

Not only no, but FUCK no.

Lynch Light and L. They're the cult leader.

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Nice discredit attempt. Want to actually

respond

to what I'm posting instead of casting it aside immediately as a "shit push"?

Much up in arms.

Very town posting.

Wow.

Like, I get it. You're still trying to seem cool and casual but you need to respond with a sense of "give a fuck," yeah?

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And your opinion of the case is...?

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Oh and why the fuck are you still voting the mod?

I think we've all seen enough to dump a vote SOMEWHERE.

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Posturing (not implying but blatantly stating they're better than me), deflection (reaction to EPs vote), and WIFOM (aS sCuM i WoUlD...) as a response.

Which is literally how gamma reacted as well.

More votes here, please.

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Retract stating they're better than me, specifically. Misread that. They're better than being so good == they're scum.

That's not my case.

Respond to my case.

Thanks.

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Just gonna go on record of stating:

1. M E T A I S T R A S H
2. Idgaf about looking town. I care about hunting scum.

You've done nothing but solidify my read with your reactions.

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You both made attempts to discredit my case instead of actually fucking responding to it, so hurr durr yeah you did.

I'm not gonna keep asking.

You can continue this line of flailing scum reasoning or you can give me an actual, legitimate, insightful responses to my fucking case. It's fucking four points. Why you've decided to flail instead of respond is so beyond me that I'm kinda baffled by it tbh.

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You're both just flailing about instead of responding to the case against your slot, so, you absolutely are doing the same thing. Idk how thats confusing. I'm not interested in which head said what, but it's all detailed in the post on the last page with all the links on the top of it.

It wasn't scum meta, it was town meta that was discussed afterward.

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I've got a lot to say, but it's gonna have to wait about eight or so hours.

I'd also like town to chime in at some point holy fuck.

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VOTE: Light and L

Hey there. Why?

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No.

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Hmm interesting case. I do notice that I posted about hunting scum over cult leader and now Light and L apparently likes me.

VOTE: Light and L

yeah this is really not good progression

Looks fine to me, I just forgot about that first post.

What's your qualms with it?

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Still got a lot to say but I'm gonna wait for Pine to catch up.

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Tell us how you REALLY feel, Pine.

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It's too deep into the day for L&L and DD to not have votes out.

I'll reply to the reply after work.

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Oh cool you're not fully replacing out. Nice.

Sorry I haven't replied to what was posted, I keep meaning to and I keep doing other shit instead.

Saying I'm scum because I don't think you're town is fucking laughable though.

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”I didn't answer that question because it was a stupid question."

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I keep fucking pushing this off and that's unacceptable.

Basically, my mindset is that L & L started off the game doing all the stereotypically "right things" and it really rubbed me the wrong way. They defended the easy wagon, they advocated that we should scum hunt over looking specifically for a cult leader, and the third thing that currently escapes me. All cookie cutter towny shit. Whatever.

The reason my vote is

still

on them is because, as town, why wouldn't you just fucking double down on your ideals and gameplay so far? Why wouldn't you just say that you're doing those things because that's actually what you believe in? Instead, the slot tried every which way to discredit and defame my case.

Who does that?

My vote isn't moving.

This town needs to for real pick up the pace though. Damn near the whole town has been on and off radio silence and that's straight up unacceptable. Myself included there.

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Chkflip, first off that first game you linked to takes me down memory lane. But I digress, I admittedly didn't read through the entirety of those game, just your rational as it applies to this game. But the 'so townie they are scum' argument seems weird. The same issue I have as Elsa not being cult leader, I just don't see cult leader putting themselves out like that on D1.

That's the thing, though. My argument isn't that they're putting themselves out there, it's that they're attempting to look so town that it does the opposite.

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That's cute -- and another garbage discrediting attempt -- but that was

way after

you both freaked out on me for ever believing to scum read your übertown behavior.

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This doesn't even include your "I've said 10000 times as town" rhetoric followed by "meta is trash."

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Where's your fucking vote, btw?

It's page 16. You have reads.

What are those, now, by the way?

How's the domino thing going for you?

Are you gonna actually play the game or just flail about every time I mention my scum read of you?

Follow through. Y'know, things that people who are actually town do.

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Pine, chemist, Drew: gimme the skinny. Why are you vanity voting?

If you don't want it to be a vanity vote, why aren't you making an attempt to sway town to see the evil badness of those you're voting?

Elsa, ceejay: what are your reads currently?

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Fuck yeah, now we've got a game.

Pine, what exactly about "why aren't you trying to sway town your way" read as "you must vote the wagon I'd prefer"? Seems a vast jump to make there, bud.

Maybe I also didn't comprehend vanity vote. When RECK used it in my last game, it seemed to talk about off-wagon votes that are by themselves. Am I wrong in assuming that's what that meant?

Pedit: Ah, I see. My apologies. The rest of my statement/question stands in regards to you, though. Could you answer the question re: why you weren't casing or at the least pointing out reasons why ep was scum?

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chennisden has done nothing but flail and poorly defend themselves since becoming a wagon. Like, they're literally trying to lurk themselves out of being suspicious or something. They didn't have a vote on

anyone

on page SIXTEEN of this game (and hadn't voted in ages because they hadn't been scum hunting, still aren't). I could go on but I've said every which way as to why my vote is where it is. Check my ISO.

Is there something you'd like to discuss?

I had asked you on question on the last page. Though, I warn that you should replace the word 'vanity' with 'solo' because I'm not good at knowing what buzzwords mean.



Still also waiting for a response from Pine that isn't a sassy gif.

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The Townies in this game need to stop being scummy.

And I say “the Townies” because there are far too many people being super scummy for them all to be scum. Chkflip, EP, and Chemist would all be the obvscum of another game right now

If I'm wrong about chennis, and I don't think I am, one of the two of us is going to be cult tomorrow.

I look forward to the battle ahead.

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I'm gonna kick back for a minute and have a ponder.

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If I disagree with you, does that mean I'm involved?

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I just reread the game.

Continuing contemplations.

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Pretty sure that hardclears chk and chem, softclear on EP, Elsa and Drew. As Cult Leader, at least.

So CL is probably ceejay or Karnage

The only two people that didn't vote for the cult cop are gameplay (Karnage) and you.

ceejay took his vote off the wagon because something pulled his attention elsewhere. And I'd say his level of activity doesn't imply they hopped off the wagon in an attempt to help their partner.

You hard-defending your partner makes sense to me.

gameplay playing into all that setup speculation when they (potentially as CL) knew it was all utter bullshit also makes sense. They also lurked out, though. Idk that this is AI.

Many contemplations to make.

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I can't envision a world where the cult leader didn't consider hiding in the wagon, so I can't say without a doubt that it's Karnage (though I do see his flailing posts). I have to take a third look back at interactions.

Mmmmm

Scenario time.

A) It's Pine. They hard defended their cop buddy, culted the obvious fake claimer (who happened to be another PR), then they orchestrated this "It isn't Pine because I tracked Pine" story. Ez peezy lemon squeezy.

B) It's Karnage. gameplay lurked to stay under the radar and got replaced by someone who is flinging mud everywhere to see what sticks. Though I will admit that seeing a cult cop flip did make me go HMMM about Elsa.

C) It's Chemist1442. They hammered to appear more town, bussing via scum read with no actual committal to the chennis wagon until the very end where they didn't feel they had much of a choice.

It very obviously isn't myself or Elsa.

I can't think of any other viable scenarios currently.

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You're almost assuredly overthinking it.

There isn't a scenario where Leader Elsa isn't counter claimed and destroyed.

Elsa wasn't being wagon'ed or even voted, they just up and claimed UT on page one.

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Not very, tbh. I've formulated scenarios after this that involve DD and Espresso, so. I'm just paranoid af rn because I flopped on finding the leader.

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We're cleared as cult leader, but thanks for fanning general paranoia. Did you read the game? What's your opinion of D1?

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Espresso, what do you think of this?

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I love these two-week phases where y'all do fuck all.

Soo fuuuun~

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I don't believe Karnage is the cult leader. He's making too much noise. I believe his lurk slot was the go-to easy cult that, given the choices that scum had against them, wouldn't be potentially protected.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

Case coming soon.

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Saying one can't be CL but the other can, when both are named in the post, doesn't make sense. At work rn but my next post will be the case.

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Karnage is obv!scum, but I don't think he's the leader.

It's either EP or Pine to me.

If it's EP, Karnage is the cultist. If it's Pine, EJ is the cultist. Simple as.

I'm aware I said case next but I'm on lunch so I don't have the time to do that rn. Just wanted to make my mindset clear here.

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Okay, so, definitely not Pine, EJ, or Chemist1422.

I still feel like Karnage is too obvious to be the leader, but I obviously don't have the time to case who I think it is.

UNVOTE: EspressoPatronum
VOTE: Karnage

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Dat vc doe.

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It's Espresso. It's not even difficult to see. ISO Espresso, L&L, and chennis. Shits not hard to see I just have the energy or time toDay.

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I'd rather coast like the rest of town tbh.

I don't feel like carrying two lunches in a row.

I'm mentally exhausted from life.

Take your pick.

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Follow the yellow brick road, Dorothy.

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Karnage is L-1.

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Question is, then.

Who got converted N1?

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Hahaha I would've loved you until the end of time.

Next time, gadget.

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Also ceejay and EP.

We only have one confirmed townie.

It's a long fuckin road but cult can still win here.

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We know you're not leader.

We don't know you're not cult.

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Literally nobody but EJ is cleared.

That means that we still have to actually play mafia and find the associatives.

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You're going to end up creating a vacuum where all that third wheel has to do is appease and float until endgame.

We're not doing bad =/= we've won.

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Pointing out what is factually true isn't paranoia, bud.

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

This is ludicrous.

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He shouldn't even entertain that idea, nor should you.

You shouldn't entertain that idea either.

Am I the only person here that gives a shit about game integrity?

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But I thought I was scum?

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Only one of us can be, bud. But it's super cute that you're setting up lynches.

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He's already implied three of us are his partner.

You understand that, right?

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VOTE: Chemist1422

Sorry, Chem. I had a thought about DD but I didn't pursue it.

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Hahahaha

I'll fucking kill you.

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Pine has been slowing establishing this mislynch for several phases.

Discuss.

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"We can just lynch EVERYBODY" also isn't a town mindset because, no, we can't. We eventually get to lylo and lose because the only other strong voice was lynched several phases back.

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Okay, Pine.

Pine, okay.

Okay, Pine.

Say we're both town.

Then what?

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CJ for sure. Lynch us both, Elsa. Pine will flip scum.

Being deflated that I didn't hit the cult leader after working THAT Goddamn hard to do so and just eventually going with the wagon, lead by Pine, which was SO VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FUCKING CULT LEADER BECAUSE DUH, makes me not town.

Goooooot iiiiiiit. Thank you very cool.

The question is very obviously "If not me and not you, then who?" but yeah spin every single fucking post into LeHmAo BuT Ur ScUm instead of having a conversation.

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Apologies, I was replying to 691 with ceejay as least likely recruit. I admittedly forgot that you refined the question two posts later to which was most likely recruited between the two of CJ/EP.

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I have no intention of voting my towniest read below Elsa.

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Apologies, I was replying to 691 with ceejay as least likely recruit. I admittedly forgot that you refined the question two posts later to which was most likely recruited between the two of CJ/EP.

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Elsa.....to answer your question.

I am not a doctor, only play one on the internet.

And please, let's ask more questions of me. GTKACL.....GO!

Why didn’t you recruit me?

Thought about it Day 1.......went with Chenns idea on who to recruit though......

Chen's idea? *If* that isn't Pine because they thought I'd be more frothy after D1 where he was so very against my train of thought, it's pretty obvious where Chen's head was.

i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)

Elsa, EP, and maybe Chemist.

We know -- unless this is some ELABORATE fucking ploy where Chemist was recruited N1 and told to "clear" Elsa, who THEN gets recruited N2 and hard busses his ENTIRE TEAM for the long game victory by sitting back as conf town -- that Elsa is town.

Chemist is flipped.

So who does that leave?

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i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)

I don’t think EP is the cult leader just because of this post

I don’t think chennis puts that much focus on their leader

This really is a wifomy post if you go look back at the posts leading up to it.

And judging by how the hydra fell apart(gamma being forced to replace out), and then the hydra train picked up steam I could see them making this as, you guessed it, wifom fodder.

Look at their posts when there were very close to being lynched, basically gave up......and didn't even bother with a fake claim. They knew what they were doing.

Essentially, don't discount the dominoes(lol).

@Drew I'm not sure how valuable the EJ/EP/Chemist domino theory is here. Assuming chenn was genuine in his domino theory belief and not trying to sow confusion, I'd say the dominoes this game are Karnage, EJ, Pine, and possibly me (per Chk's post above).

MMMMM

WHAT

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VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I believe this slot is more likely to be the N1 recruit than Pine.

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VOTE: Dr Drew
He's blending in too well. His ISO has 0 substance.

Cult leader - calling it now.

VOTE: Dr Drew
He's blending in too well. His ISO has 0 substance.

Cult leader - calling it now.

Sooo how about his post 164? Does it not have substance? I sort of liked that post.

He hasn't taken any conflicting stances or offered anything to the discussion that isn't agreement to consensus or placing a townread.

That sounds like someone who is trying to blend in and appease people.

Is coasting a scum tell these days?

It can be

Espresso, firstly I tend to get town reads quicker the scum reads. Secondly, why is it an issue that I am in agreement with some people?

It's an issue that you're

only

in agreement with people.

And there hasn't been much real content here, Elsa claiming UT and setup talk.

Sorry, but I am a more reactive player.

If you were forced to categorize everyone into town or scum right now, what would the list look like?

Scum can sometimes blend in. We can help root them out by forcing ppl to take and defend stances.

and you're also really appeasy, as seem by 169]

- chennis.

Agreement itself is fine. As stated to Drew earlier, having no stances other than appeasement is an issue.

Espresso, as someone said.....why do you want forced reads? I almost feel like they could be manipulated sometime down the road. When i develop reads one way or another I will give them.

Also to elaborate on my elsa read, not saying he is necessarily town, but is most likely not cult leader. I could definitely see a scenario where he is the other cult member.

If you're scum, I've already called out your attempt at not taking controversial stances. Since I don't want scum!you to get away with this, I want to force you to take controversial stances. Giving early reads will generate controversial stances.

Town should be happy to do so, as town has no reason to hide their reads. You're evidently against providing your reads, which is another red flag for me.

Espresso, as someone said.....why do you want forced reads? I almost feel like they could be manipulated sometime down the road. When i develop reads one way or another I will give them.

Also to elaborate on my elsa read, not saying he is necessarily town, but is most likely not cult leader. I could definitely see a scenario where he is the other cult member.

If you're scum, I've already called out your attempt at not taking controversial stances. Since I don't want scum!you to get away with this, I want to force you to take controversial stances. Giving early reads will generate controversial stances.

Town should be happy to do so, as town has no reason to hide their reads. You're evidently against providing your reads, which is another red flag for me.

I am not hiding reads.

You are saying you want me to take 'controversial stances'..... you are making me basically make up some reads, how does that help town?

When I have a read I give it, like I have already done. If you want a scum read from me keep asking for town to make up reads and then pretty sure I got at least one.

I want you to.provide scumreads. They're necessarily controversial because people don't like being scumread. Give me literally any two scumreads and your reasons for them.

That's all I'm asking + you're making a huge deal about it. I'll do it in my next post to show you how easy it is!

@Drew - recall the parameters I requested of you: No null reads, sort everyone.

Town
Chemist - I was initially wary about potential lurkiness, but he's really stepped up to my request. I find myself agreeing with most of his reads. He's proactively giving information instead of reactively waiting to be prodded.

Elsa Jay - I don't like that he revealed as UT, but he has a respectable stance as to why he did it + it seemed town motivated. He has also been very active.

Townlean
Gameplay - on memory alone, none of gameplay's posts stand out. I recall gameplay helping us out Elsa though, so that's worthwhile and shows town initiative to solve.

Chkflip - probably my weakest townread. Chk seems to be involved in discussion and questions though, so I'm happy with a weak townlean for now.

Scumlean
Ceejayvinoya - nothing really standout from ceejay. Not a lot of activity due to the late start. I recall ceejay's entrance being kinda meh, but I can't remember any of the posts off the top of my head.

Light and L - haven't seen much from Gamma, but I'm not liking chenn's content. Chenn started coming after me once I voted Drew. He was also twisting my words into conclusions that I did not make.

Pine - Pine has been a bit lurky this game. He did the same thing in Ruby Mafia. He did give us warning that he was busy with work in that game, but I don't think it detracts from his willingness to lurk as scum.

Scum
Doctor Drew - before I started prodding him, all of his posts looked like attempts to blend in. After prodding him, he's been extremely reluctant to provide reads, citing his reactive playstyle as the reason.

Are you kidding me? It was never a serious claim. It said so right in the claim.

I may be over-remembering Elsa making the gambit explicit, but I just looked at his ISO and it’s implied multiple places, which I will quote when I’m at a computer rather than phone.

Further, Cult Leader Elsa has a rolecop partner, which means he KNOWS we’re in column B, and therefore never puts himself in this position.

Use your fucking heads, people.

lets say YOU are the cult leader

YOU would know we were in column B because you would have known about your rolecop partner. YOU would also know that it was never a serious claim without Elsa having to imply anything.

He also hard defended Chenn.

VOTE: Pine

That is correct, Elsa.

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L&L also put light pressure on Espresso at the time EP was scum-reading DD. So there's that.

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There's associatives you're fucking ignoring, bud.

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Espresso flat out IGNORED their hard scum read from D1 and went with the easier lynch (you) because you were so against the lynch.

Jingle isn't clear by a mile.

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Espresso scum reading Drew D1 and then going radio silent on it D2 HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DREW OR CHEMIST WTF ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT.

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You let Jingle live it's a scum win gg.

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I've said everything there is to say. ceejayvinoya is playing exactly how they've been playing all game. No change in context, consistency, or intent. The same cannot be said about Espresso.

I still also feel that myself, Pine, or Espresso were the go to recruits for N1 as well. There's no Goddamn way anybody thought recruiting ceejay was a good N1 recruit, no offense to the guy. Too big a gambit there.

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OH MAN WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE

rofl

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UNVOTE: Bingle
VOTE: ceejayvinoya

I don't know that I can explain this at all. Gut?

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UNVOTE:

So you don't think it's Pine then? And I thought you said he was your big townread after me?

Mm. He

was

. Something seems off since the end of yesterday and today though. I didn't notice it until he quoted my post to say "Lols"

I no longer have a strong town read there. My list is the same as above, sort of. cj/bingle > pine with the caveat that it's more important to lynch pine before lylo than bingle.

You could also just lynch me and I'll wash my hands of this lurking shit show so I can focus on running my game (which will be in sign ups soon).

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That's not surprising at all.

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Like, I may have been wrong about which cult role they had, but I wasn't wrong nearly the entire game. Nabbed chennis D1, Espresso D2. People didn't want to listen so I stopped giving a shit. Pine, I have a handful of colorful words for you but none of them are nice and it's 2019 mafia scum so I'm not trying to get banned. But ffs dude you're better than this.