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Post #1747 (isolation #602) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:53 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1740, Dannflor wrote:I mean... Reading sheep's ISO I come away thinking that Banakai is the most likely partner. That's where I started at the beginning of this day phase.
I just don't think Banakai's play itself is really scum play. Although, I suppose I shouldn't be rewarding the AtE and self-vote.
Why wouldn’t scum do this? It was the self-vote and AtE that stopped him from being lynched. He keeps making statements that make 0 sense.
He tr Penguin for his post on eth0s than blames me for “leading mislynches on town”. No way does bad town make both posts 653 and 742, no freaking way.
And then there’s all of his weird posts surrounding eth0s mislynch. Like this is how you catch scum - like we caught sheep - saying lots of contradictory things that don’t add up.
I’m even more sold on scum!Banaki after rereading 653.
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Post #1748 (isolation #603) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:59 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1746, Dannflor wrote:I feel like I kinda lost a lot of the points I was gonna bring up against january, and I just have some vague worries / paranoia now that I want to address
I'll try to recoup those and address them coherently today
If sheep was playing to endgame rather than set up his partner to, I’d be more sold on january scum, because if sheep was planning to endgame, then his shading but not voting Psyche looks pretty bad but if you believe sheep was setting up his partner to endgame. then he didn’t put Psyche in a very good position and considering how okay he was with dying, do you really think sheep puts Psyche in that kind of position, if his goal is to set up his partner to endgame?
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Post #1763 (isolation #606) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:10 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
One problem for me is that Psyche replaced out during sheep wagon. so we can neither townfirm him or sr him for his play during sheep lynch, so that’s super frustrating.
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Post #1768 (isolation #607) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:46 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
@january if I’m scum here, I don’t unvote you and switch to Banaki. You’re making this extremely difficult for me to persuade Dann into lynching Banaki over you. :/
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Post #1769 (isolation #608) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:52 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1768, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:@january if I’m scum here, I don’t unvote you and switch to Banaki. You’re making this extremely difficult for me to persuade Dann into lynching Banaki over you. :/
I was hard decided I wouldn’t sheep Dann on you and now I don’t know what to think. I still think Banaki has the best chance of flipping scum but your posts are causing me to seriously question if my tr on you is wrong.
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Post #1770 (isolation #609) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:53 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1768, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:@january if I’m scum here, I don’t unvote you and switch to Banaki. You’re making this extremely difficult for me to persuade Dann into lynching Banaki over you. :/
Yeah and I’m pretty much confidently tr everyone else.
In post 1760, january wrote:will respond in a bit but does tmi stand for something other than “too much information”? i’m not what u mean by TRing someone as too much info
Meaning, I don't think your reasoning for Banakai!town is enough to justify the strength of read you seem to have on him. So that leads me to believe that maybe you have that read because you know his alignment.
ohhhh... that's what tmi means here. i thought it meant i was
giving
too much info but that makes a lot more sense
honestly i think that's the weakest part of my play this game. the problem was that once i got into the penguin read a few people just started pushing on me and i felt like i couldn't mention another FoS without getting called even more scummy for "trying to back out of a tunnel after realizing nobody would support it" or something like that. so i just... don't want banakai to be maf so i'm making myself pretty confident that he's not
but i don't think banakai has a higher scum potential than like
penguin or BS... or even pyrrha at this point
i know that there's a slight possibility that i'm embarrasing myself by hard defending scum but i think it's unlikely enough that i'm doing it
but the strongest argument i have against this is:
what benefit do i get from protecting banakai if i'm scum here? i'm honestly not gonna get townread if he flips town anyways so the whiteknighting (is that the right term) has literally no positive payoff for scum!january
The obvious “benefit” is you’re TMIing him town and you wanting to be flipped first isn’t exactly giving me confidence that it isn’t. If you’re scum here who knows he’s town, why wouldn’t you insist on being flipped first? because you know he’s town and you’re getting lynched after? Your response just doesn’t make sense if you’re town.
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Post #1772 (isolation #611) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:10 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1541, Blatant Scum wrote:Gamma - town
Dann - town
Pyrrha - town
Penguin - I think Dann had the point here, that Penguin would bus more obviously.
This leaves Banakai and January as possible scum.
We have 2 lynches.
VOTE: Banakai
Like in contrast this is obvtown as in his reads here, actually make sense, so we are lynching either january or banaki on the next two days, because my confidence in BS town, just keeps increasing.
In post 1760, january wrote:will respond in a bit but does tmi stand for something other than “too much information”? i’m not what u mean by TRing someone as too much info
Meaning, I don't think your reasoning for Banakai!town is enough to justify the strength of read you seem to have on him. So that leads me to believe that maybe you have that read because you know his alignment.
Yeah, she keeps hard defending Banaki and throwing shade at everyone else. Maybe I’m wrong and january is the scum and Banaki really is just horribly bad town? These recent posts just don’t make sense coming from january town.
when Pyrrha swings her vote every time someone implies there’s a chance she could be scum
Like I think she’s never scum here
But also it makes it hard to read the game because I’m not sure which parts are a genuine read
Dann, I am really getting irritated that you keep saying this nonsense about me. Read my reasoning and stop fucking misrepping me already!
I said. I don’t believe town!january would say she wanted to be flipped before Banaki because it makes 0 sense to do that as town
.
Town!january only knows her alignment, no one else’s, well except of course for Gamma’s, so for her to say she wanted to be flipped before Banaki, regardless of how strong her confidence in her read on that slot, makes 0 sense as town.
It reads like as you said, she has a TMI on Banaki being town.
Otoh, it’s not at all suspicious if she instead were to say, “I refuse to vote Banaki, even to self-pres”, because that could even be seen as town indicative but to actually say, she should be flipped before someone no matter how confident she may be on their alignment, she can’t actually KNOW it unless she’s scum and that’s WHY I voted her but stop pushing her wrongheaded beliefs about me, especially when I clearly laid it out for you in black and white, EXACTLY what my reasoning was.
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Post #1794 (isolation #618) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:39 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
If january had said, I want to be flipped before Pyrrha, I would have still voted her. Town!january should never say she wanted to be flipped before ANYONE in this game, except maybe Gamma.
Sorry I lost my temper but I clearly gave my reasoning and because of your bs conibiasing on my reasons for making reads, you decided to completely disregard exactly what I wrote, so yeah I have every right to be fucking missed about that. Don’t do it again. If I give a valid reason for something, don’t fucking ignore that and substitute your own interpretation.
I really get pissed when people take something I clearly say and substitute a different interpretation of it. That’s extremely disrespectful to me and I would react just as strongly if you did that to me outside of the game. You probably didn’t mean to disrespect here but you did
Why would town!you who presumably knows her own alignment, ever want to be flipped over another slot - regardless of how confident you are on your read of them? Can you explain this, because it makes absolutely no sense for town!ANYONE to be doing that?
I would never say as town, flip me before Dann, Penguin, BS. Because eventhough I’m extremely confident they’re all town, I don’t exactly KNOW they are. I could however make that statement about Gamma, because he is actually unofficially confirmed as IC.
Do you understand why I would be super suspicious of that?
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Post #1796 (isolation #620) » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:55 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1784, january wrote:oops i was going to lynch january guess i'll wait
You’re not joking? You were seriously planning to self-hammer? Why? Why would you do that? You don’t KNOW Banaki’s alignment if you’re town, so why fall on your sword for him?
In post 1760, january wrote:will respond in a bit but does tmi stand for something other than “too much information”? i’m not what u mean by TRing someone as too much info
Meaning, I don't think your reasoning for Banakai!town is enough to justify the strength of read you seem to have on him. So that leads me to believe that maybe you have that read because you know his alignment.
Yeah, she keeps hard defending Banaki and throwing
shade at everyone else.
Maybe I’m wrong and january is the scum and Banaki really is just horribly bad town? These recent posts just don’t make sense coming from january town.
lol stop misrepping i'm sure all 1.5 people ive said are possible scum is "everyone else" right
It makes 0 sense to me that you have such a confident tr on Banaki that you would want to be flipped BEFORE him.
In post 1784, january wrote:oops i was going to lynch january guess i'll wait
You’re not joking? You were seriously planning to self-hammer? Why? Why would you do that? You don’t KNOW Banaki’s alignment if you’re town, so why fall on your sword for him?
Alright, I’m thinking maybe she was actually serious, if so I’m back to her being inexplicably drunk on Banaki koolade, I guess?
But I’ll wait to revote, because Dann will apparently ignore my clearly stated reasoning and claim it was because they didn’t locktown me and I don’t want to lose it on him again, when he clearly didn’t intentionally disrespect me but jsyk Dann, I am 100% not okay with what you did there.
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Post #1799 (isolation #623) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:17 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
@Dann, somehow you have wrongly got this idea in your head that I automatically sr anyone wo expresses suspicion on me. That is very wrong. Read Topaz, where Ank wrongly insisted I was lockscum at one point. I never either sr or voted her for it. Ditto with RC in Newsroom and I could find tons of other games to back this up. If I’m not hardtown reading someone or I don’t buy their reasoning for sr me, yes, I will then sr them back and maybe even vote them. I did that to Ank in Coalition 1, after she tried to push a mislynch on me in Timeshift and it looked to me like she might again have been scum doing that. The point is, I don’t sr someone for wrongly sr me, if I think their reasons for doing so make sense to me, is my point but when you say that my reason for voting january was anything other than I specifically said it was, you not only disable MY personal effectiveness in trying to best try to solve this game, you also collectively hurt town’s - whether you even realize it or not.
In post 1785, Dannflor wrote:it is really hard to objectively look at slots when Pyrrha swings her vote every time someone implies there’s a chance she could be scum
Like I think she’s never scum here
But also it makes it hard to read the game because I’m not sure which parts are a genuine read
i’ve noticed and i’ve avoided triggering this reaction on accident
i have no idea why i got swung on again? i didn’t even call her maf this time
Is it NOT just Dann who ignored my clearly stated reasoning? I said, you saying you wanted to be flipped BEFORE Banaki. I honestly don’t know how either you or Dann reads the reason I gave and comes up with, Pyrrha’s vote has jack to do with you not locktowning me or some bs?
But since you also misread my post, I honestly don’t know what to make of it.
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Post #1802 (isolation #625) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:33 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
@january, Dann, did I actually say something that made you ignore what I said right in the post where I voted and come up with an entirely different reason than the one I clearly stated?
I’m trying to decide now if I was actually misrepped, because I don’t understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue what I wrote?
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Post #1803 (isolation #626) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:45 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
Spoiler:
I apologize to everyone for losing my temper. I’ve just get really annoyed with people who I perceive as either misconstruing my actual words or trying to mindread me and deciding you know what I’m thinking better than I do. Now, I honestly do believe that this misrepping was in no way intentional but it still drives me nuts, whenever it happens. I’m truly sorry if I offended anyone by my response to it.
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Post #1859 (isolation #627) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:08 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1813, Dannflor wrote:Pyrrha, do you feel most strongly about january or Banakai right now?
I don’t know if she was serious about wanting to self-hammer but one of them needs to be flipped today and Banaki should never get anywhere near LYLO, so it’s probably the better vote.
In post 1784, january wrote:oops i was going to lynch january guess i'll wait
You’re not joking? You were seriously planning to self-hammer? Why? Why would you do that? You don’t KNOW Banaki’s alignment if you’re town, so why fall on your sword for him?
???
i know its really hard to read sarcasm over the internets but you don't really believe i meant this do you...
Why did you say you should be flipped over a player over you, solely based on having a confident read on them?
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Post #1861 (isolation #629) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:14 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1828, january wrote:last ego post and then i'll answer (i might kinda be avoiding your question bc i honestly don't know what i think rn)
pyrrha - i didn't misrep you and i'm pretty sure dann didn't either. if anything it might have been a misunderstanding? but i do believe a lot of our comments on you are mostly true.
And I also expect a fucking apology for your continual discrediting of my reasoning for making reads.
me too! can u apologize to me for misrepping me and saying that i
In post 1589, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:haven’t come up with even a single reason why [Penguin] is scum... no basis whatsoever.
ok im done
I still don’t agree that town!ANYONE should ever say that in this kind of setup. And I didn’t agree with your reasoning on Penguin but okay, I don’t know you and having a reason I wholeheartedly disagree with isn’t exactly the same as what you said. Okay, so it wasn’t 100% accurate, so sorry.
In post 1793, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Otoh, it’s not at all suspicious if she instead were to say, “I refuse to vote Banaki, even to self-pres”, because that could even be seen as town indicative but to actually say, she should be flipped before someone no matter how confident she may be on their alignment, she can’t actually KNOW it unless she’s scum and that’s WHY I voted her but stop pushing her wrongheaded
beliefs about me,
especially when I clearly laid it out for you in black and white, EXACTLY what my reasoning was.
well first of all that's what i thought i said? or implied? or something?
second of all this setup is quite different than traditional setups bc me flipping myself doesn't mean i'm removing myself from the game. it means that i can actually make reads without worrying about you calling me scum for making reads you don't agree with (that's a collective "you" - not targeted at one person specifically).
and right here in bold you said you voted me so that i would stop holding some (idk what?) belief about you. so did you think i scumread you?
can you answer this bc it really sounds to me like you're saying you voted me for having a read on you (which i think you also misunderstood)
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Post #1870 (isolation #637) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:28 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1841, Dannflor wrote:Also contrary to Pyrrha, I do find the “Why would sheep defend me” question before getting on the wagon yesterday a somewhat above rand SvS interaction
I think either you misunderstood my point or I wasn’t clear enough. Sure, it could also have come from scum but Banaki was completely frozen during sheep wagon, was my point.
This isn’t even a compromise, I think this is just scum.
Look at his ISO today and tell me what he’s done. He’s been town read for lack of agenda but he doesn’t need an agenda if January and Banakai are lined up as mislynches. Hell, eth0s, who is dead, has provided more hard content than him.
In post 1838, Dannflor wrote:He says intent to hammer January a couple days ago and now is like “wait let me ISO her this weeekend”?
He hasn’t taken a hard stance this day phase.
And tbh, he was in a very good position after the sheep flip
How do you figure that? Sheep made him look like his buddy and never made even any attempt to distance him.
Sure. But Banakai was set to be lynched anyway, whatever sheep did wasn't enough to town spew him. BS on the other hand was in a perfectly fine position, which would explain sheep's lack of will to fight a little better than Banakai, I think.
Sheep put BS in a terrible position, so hard disagree with you on that.
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Post #1873 (isolation #640) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:34 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
Sheep was voting him and everyone but apparently me and eth0s, aren’t seeing that as distancing?
Also, I recently finished modding a game town!BS played in and he asked the exact same role pm colour question in that game. He trolls in every game he’s in.
This isn’t even a compromise, I think this is just scum.
Look at his ISO today and tell me what he’s done. He’s been town read for lack of agenda but he doesn’t need an agenda if January and Banakai are lined up as mislynches. Hell, eth0s, who is dead, has provided more hard content than him.
eth0s wants Banaki. What?
I didn't say he didn't?
So, why ignore his case? Why not wait to hear from both him and BS before we possibly mislynch? I don’t understand why you’re tr Banaki being frozen during sheep wagon.
In post 1873, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Sheep was voting him and everyone but apparently me and eth0s, aren’t seeing that as distancing?
Also, I recently finished modding a game town!BS played in and he asked the exact same role pm colour question in that game. He trolls in every game he’s in.
So logically, BS would also troll in games that he is scum.
I don't see it as distancing because it is:
A: Very 1-directional
2: Doesn't actually accomplish anything to get Banakai out of the lynch pool after sheep's flip
I don’t know how you can say this. Isn’t that a big part of why you don’t think he’s scum here?
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Post #1880 (isolation #645) » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:16 pm
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
So my point is that if I’m right that scum doused you N1 and me N2, then no one has likely been ignited yet, so if BS has no agenda and no targets, how does scum!him win with no agenda?
Like I suppose it’s possible but why was Banaki frozen during sheep lynch? Unless you and Penguin can show me why that’s town. I don’t agree.
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Post #1883 (isolation #646) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:53 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
Yeah, I agree with eth0s. I don’t know if I’d fight a BS lynch over a january lynch anymore but I still think Banaki looks scummier than BS.
Here’s the main reason. Why didn’t sheep walk back his hardtown read on him? I mean it’s definitely possible but does scum going down usually keep their buddy in that position?
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Post #1884 (isolation #647) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:02 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
I also think BS unvote stopped january lynch, so what exactly was the scum motivation for that? I definitely don’t want to rush this yet, which is why I haven’t voted.
I want to case BS again but why was town!Banaki frozen?
Also, BS pretending to fake CC Gamma is kind of a strange thing for scum to do.
In most games I’ve been in, scum hard defending a slot to the extent sheep did and more significantly - never walked back on - usually winds up being town. In the MU game I was in, scum hard defended a player we mislynched who he whiteknighted.
So even if sheep initially hard defending BS didn’t look good, his not walking it back later does.
Wow, this is super interesting. Sheep was on Banaki all of D1 too. Scum often votes their buddy early game, to create fake distancing. I didn’t even realize that sheep was on him that early. This looks especially bad for Banaki.
Had sheep not been on Banaki until D2, I think they would look a lot less like buddies here.
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Post #1891 (isolation #653) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:24 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1858, Banakai wrote:im very split on BS. I see where your coming from but I wouldn't feel totally good voting the guy who litterally claimed scum after he cools down and starts acting normal
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Post #1892 (isolation #654) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:28 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
@Banaki, I’ll break it down this way for you. I’m never scum here and I don’t think Dann or Penguin is either. Gamma is IC. That leaves you, january and BS.
One of you three is very likely the last scum, so this is kind of pinging me. Iow, you not having a strong position on either BS or january, isn’t helping me exactly clear you.
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Post #1893 (isolation #655) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:36 am
Postby Pyrrha Nikos »
In post 1710, Banakai wrote:pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum
legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum
id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched
Now the reason I don’t like this, is because sr me could possibly be a way of avoiding being on either january or BS wagon. If you continue to push me let’s say and not take a strong stand on either january or BS - one way or another, it looks bad.
In a way, january taking a strong protown stand on you, makes her look pretty good here.
BS is at least playing, so he is likely to be more sortable. I still think the whole frozen thing during sheep wagon, makes little sense to me.
So Banaki
BS
january
I guess.
I think sheep would have tried to distance BS more if he was his buddy and he did say that RC replacing out was the last thing he wanted and he sounded sincere saying it.
And sheep’s progression on Banaki was weird but then it was weird on a lot of slots. I also think it’s really strange that Banaki had sheep as his top town. You don’t usually have the slot pushing you as your top town and he has no reaction whatsoever to the sheep wagon. It just really makes no sense at all.
I’m also wondering if his wafflng on BS and either sr me or self-voting as a way, to stall the game. BS really isn’t doing that.
I think I will probably vote Banaki because gut says he’s scummier.
january meant Penguin. Yeah, that explains why what she said didn’t make any sense to me.
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