Micro 940: A Normal Blitz II - Game Over

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One question: who is neighbor with Hoctac ?

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my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure

I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: viewtopic.php?t=82022&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

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Ok, Umlaut is the neighbor.

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Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

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I'm back.

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if you were not following the game how were you waiting in the wings to join it without it ever going to the replacement queue?

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this game has been referenced a couple times. is there any reason to believe that 4 vanilla town 2 masons 1 town neighbour 1 mafia neighbour and 1 mafia goon is not a possible setup? i have not looked through every game in the micro queue to see if it has been played before (as unlike the normal queue there isn't really a searchable version) but that seems more likely to me than this game utilizing the same setup as boon gets pretentious.

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this does not track to me. if you believe that we are playing the pretentious setup and that i am scum, why would i have killed a mason claim i thought was a neighbour instead of killing datisi, who basically claimed power role in this game the same way he did in chain of command:

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One question: who is neighbor with Hoctac ?

if you were not following the game how were you waiting in the wings to join it without it ever going to the replacement queue?

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred:

this game has been referenced a couple times. is there any reason to believe that 4 vanilla town 2 masons 1 town neighbour 1 mafia neighbour and 1 mafia goon is not a possible setup? i have not looked through every game in the micro queue to see if it has been played before (as unlike the normal queue there isn't really a searchable version) but that seems more likely to me than this game utilizing the same setup as boon gets pretentious.

Shiki seems naked scum in my opinion, but I will investigate the possibilities further when I get home.

this does not track to me. if you believe that we are playing the pretentious setup and that i am scum, why would i have killed a mason claim i thought was a neighbour instead of killing datisi, who basically claimed power role in this game the same way he did in chain of command:

I was pretty certain my reaction was gonna be a blatant Commander claim to scum but meh.

i think your reaction to quantumquasar was a pretty strong giveaway.

Which reaction in particular do you mean?

you being frustrated with his openly roleplaying chain of command.

1- I was invited to join the game.

2- Who mentioned it besides me ?

3- There are many strategies that involve reverse psychology to benefit the scum alignment in the articulation of reasons to justify themselves as town. It does not matter to me if you have benefited from the NK or not, because my impression of you is individual, regardless of the mechanics of the setup. I still haven't decided that Umlaut is town, as I intend to evaluate his slot separately, but I just emphasized that it would be possible for a mason and a hood to coexist in the same game (and he being town).

4- What is your current solve ?

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I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (which has already stolen 2 wins from him), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

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Rather, as posts like this suggest, Hiraki had no intentions to try and fight for a HEM lynch.

Really? Or was it that everyone dismissed what I was saying and even I get tired?

What I was saying was I thought you were more gungho during that interaction about lynching HEM which upon rereading you were not. You post quoted above is an example of you throughout the interaction voicing (and later actually) voting george.

Comparing the two scums games from Monkey in which you participated and witnessed Scum!Monkey playing, is he town or scum to you here ?

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If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being

Shiki + Umlaut

and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

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If holden is mason, and Holden + Monkey aren't SvS, I am inclined to think that they are TvT if there was no significant push to lynch each other on D1 ~ D2, what makes the game's solution theoretically being

Shiki + Umlaut

and the speculation about coexistence between hood and mason wrong.

If you're town Shiki, however, the solve is basically Monkey + Umlaut. But the solution above is more plausible ^

I already given a commentary on "meta" for HEM day 1, but I dont know his town meta first hand.

Why do you think us not trying to lynch eachother points to a TvT interaction? Especially since HEM made it clear day 1 he wasnt buddying me?

I figured you two could be SvS for the lack of an expressive push that threatened Monkey to be lynched by you, but if you're not scum, the assumption I'm working on at the moment is that you're both TVT.

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I can't believe Hiraki flipped town. He was playing so fucking bad that he should have been lynched all along since Day 1. His tunnel on me was full of shit that he extrapolated on even more shit. I can't believe you can play as town and really do that to someone. Someone people just have huge fucking egos that they can't accept that they may be wrong even when proven wrong multiple times.

Don't sign up on a game with me again, Hiraki.

Anyway I'm currently sleep-deprived right now after editing a heavy ass video. I'm gonna sleep and re-read after I wake up.

Monkey, considering Holden's natural paranoia regarding your slot (

which has already stolen 2 wins from him

), did he demonstrate this in a genuine way during the game in your opinion ? What's your read on him now ?

A new layer to your posts as well. That intrigues me. Why interject an emotionally producing phrase into your line of questioning to monkey?

He never has taken two games from me? He only won against me in the newbie.

To see how he reacts, obviously.

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Holden, summarize your reads on Shiki, it doesn't have to be something big. If you're mechanically town, I think we can work together to solve this.

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Actually, it is easier to know Monkey's alignment by PoE if we know how to classify Umlaut/Shiki first.

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Unless you think my slot is scum. In this case, I will be available to answer any questions.

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Expect the way you did it is leading.

You clearly did not know I was confirmed town given your posts at that time. The way you worded it to HEM suggests that I would be furious to lose against him again, which I wouldnt think much of until I factor in HEM earlier concerns of my accusatory tone. That coupled with your expression of me being extra paranoid of HEM doesnt make sense when considering your TvT stance. If I was paranoid and frustrated, shouldnt I be more critical of him.

This is of course your logic when considering a SvS interaction between me and HEM, which begs the obvious question, why ask to begin with? Why ask my supposed scum buddy to gain his reaction rather than pursuing the suspicion with other players? I doubt the scum reaction would of told you anything.

That, and I do not remember you using such language typically as well.



PS. I was scum reading your predecessor.

I think you're underestimating the purpose of my posts. My post was aimed at instigating Monkey's sense of greatness and trying to diminish the cautious instance in the Scum!Monkey scenario, something that is indifferent to your connection with him in the SvS theory I mentioned. I didn't understand your inference.

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Holden, summarize your reads on Shiki, it doesn't have to be something big. If you're mechanically town, I think we can work together to solve this.

I actually already have in the Mason PT.

I dont feel Shiki was as much as a force they were in the first blitz game. I feel Shiki is quite passive in numerous posts outside of VCA analysis and tend to display commentary on events rather than direct constant investigation.

Ironically, when compared to chain of command (a scum game of hers), I see this similar tonal aspect as well. I need to revisit the first blitz game to confirm my suspicions as well.

And Umlaut, what is your impression of him ?

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I superficially read his aggression in the game. My intention was based on specific information that I had absorbed from a quick reading of the game. Generally, I expected Scum!Monkey to act cautiously by default when answering me.

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I'm going to be straight; I refuse to believe the NK was just a random choice. Datisi expression of tone in the later half of day 2 would make him a much more optional choice to bring into mylo/lylo than me. Well scum, guess what? You got my attention. You are now locked with a naked mason covered head to toe in honey, ready to wrestle you into submission! You have effectively locked yourself in mylo with an insane devil!

You, scum, have 8 hours to concede and maintain some honor left in your miserable lifes.

"Oh Holden, why would we concede? We are too busy mocking you in our shitty tin can we call a scum PT."

WELL, I say to you rotten pieces of crap that I may not solve this game correctly. You may very well have a victory. But I will make the next 72hours a living hell hole! I will finish my investigation into the noble Datisi's death and then proceed to SLAM this thread with extremely prejudiced and cold hearted LOGIC! This game will quickly soar to the heavens in post count as I turn up every virtual ROCK UNTIL I BUILD A TOWER JUST SO I CAN TIP THAT TOWER ONTO YOUR SCUMMY HEADS!

AHAGAGHAHAHAHGAHHAHAVAGAHHGAHAHAHAV

Same as you did on Newbie 1996 after I replaced out of the game ?

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I'll take a break here, see you later.

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I'm back.

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my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure

I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: viewtopic.php?t=82022&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

How did you not see me as the second Mason since there is multiple posts by both me and Datisi on the same page saying I was the second mason btw?

I remember reading the ISO of Datisi quickly. I did not follow all the pages chronologically.

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re-read after I wake up

i have some shit to do so i dont think so

Are you scum, Monkey ?

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I'll test something in a few hours.

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Madoka had Monkey as lock-town ? jesus.

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I'll test something in a few hours.

I was going to vote and test if I'm right, but I'll wait for Holden.

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If Shiki + Umlaut isn't possible, I'll vote Monkey. Im not gonna lose to him.

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If you're wrong and the team is Shiki + Umlaut, we lose.

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I'll vote in 10 minutes.

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Monkey, you're scum dude.

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Please clidd I need this for my win-loss record. My town record is 4/5/0 and I don't like that number.

Ok, just do your thing then.

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I'll probably ignore Holden until the end of this game.

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

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I'll probably continue as low-effort here.

Waiting to see if scum will flash-hammer.

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It isn't GT, by the way. I'm scumreading Monkey.

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Shiki isn't online, I guess. I'll wait until she post to confirm.

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If you're town, it's Shiki + Monkey.

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But I'll keep my vote until I see Shiki posting.

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VOTE: clidd

Same.

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I've been wondering how long you would keep this facade.

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Your only advantage in this game is the fact that I'm late. I would have lynched you long before.

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Probably on D2, to be honest.

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shiki confirmed scum (given that I'm town), or else HEM and clidd could have coordinated a hammer there.

I'm still waiting for Shiki. I don't know if this is a bluff for me to vote for shiki in the Monkey + Umalut scenario.

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If you're town, however, join me and vote on Monkey.

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You are so obvious that it hurts me that my predecessor had you as a lock-town.

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I don't even have to speculate much to deduce that you kept Holden alive because of his stupidity.

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Shiki is afk, idiot.

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Holden, when you get back I don't want to see any analytical posts from you. If you think I'm scum just vote for me and we can finish the game. If there is a brain in your head, vote for Monkey.

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You know absolutely nothing about me.

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I don't intend to make a cognitive effort in this game and I already have the solution in mind.

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I see you, boo

I can see very well through you.

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VOTE: Umlaut

Monkey, say to Shiki to come back in the scum PT and hammer this guy. I have already predicted Holden's next 3 posts and I believe it is a defeat anyway.

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Just speeding up the sequence of predictable events.

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Sorry Madoka, if you see this later.

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The problem was Holden. He got pocket again.

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But if I had more energy, and entered D2, things would be different. I was lazy as hell here.

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I don't even have to speculate much to deduce that you kept Holden alive because of his stupidity.

Well this has degenerated into pointless name calling.

I'm not going to engage with you cli2d. You can call me stupid, idiotic, or fucktard I could care less. Now you just are applying that anybody and seemingly attack people trying to get your presepctive on things.

If you are scum, you using borderline rule breaking harassment.
If you are town, you have forgotten the social aspect of a social deduction game.

I wish you the best cli2d. I'm not sure what has provoked you to such a measure tonally to react like this. I wont speculate further to why you are acting like this than at the bottom. If I have done someone personally wrong to offend you, I offer PM discussion post game to try and resolve it.
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I believe the tonal reaction is to mask possible associative reads in lylo. This would help hide scumulmant than Shiki based on the contradiction I pointed out in scum teams presented by cli2d. I havent read the posts again, so I leave it to the rest of the game in lylo to make sure of if we reach lylo.

If so, ulmants scum play was pretty good and the few issues with it are completely understandable given the set up.

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The die is cast. Bonam fortunam! You guys got this is lylo if we are correct. If not, we shall be speaking shortly again in post game.

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Well played to Shiki btw for the very nuanced breadcrumb scum read btw. That was a work of art from both alignments.

And there you go the three posts.