Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Alduskkel]

ask and ye shall receive

HEAL: Alduskkel
HEAL: votato
HEAL: SleeperSoul

@DC: why is Tux scum?

[Alduskkel]

yes

also we can't lynch anyone today lol

[Alduskkel]

oh i thought maybe that would be considered day 2 but i guess it'd be more like day 1 phase 2?

pedit: why not
or can you not explain that either

ppedit: ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"

[Alduskkel]

ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"

I would never

Building on this: I think it probably would be best to lynch me if I am sheeped on a coalition and it’s wrong. I doubt I’d be so wrong as to have both scum in it, which would mean 1 scum inside and 1 scum outside. If I get lynched so be it, I can give my best bet on who’s the scum inside it first, and then you’ll know that I’m straight up when I get flipped. Then unless scum wanna narrow it down further, they’ll prob kill outside the coalition which will mean D2 two pools of (3 town, 1 scum)(2 town, 1 scum)

If you get the scum inside the coalition on D2 then you’re gold going into D3 and it probably makes the most sense to look outside the coalition D3/4, plus NKA will probably be useful.

And the plus plus is in a case where I’m very wrong and there are two scum in the coalition, you’ll have a raw 66% chance to lynch scum on D3 assuming no kills inside the coalition and a mislynch D2 (earlier possible lylo situation) which is p good.

The only really worrying scenario is D3 if there’s only 1 scum in the coalition, that would prob be the hardest one to solve, but again, I figure it’s unlikely

ok but what if you're town and the coalition fails (assume 1 scum in) and then D2 if we lynch in the coalition there's only a 1/4 chance we hit assuming scum NK outside the coalition and we lynch inside the coalition again

then we're at lylo D3 which seems very bad

[Alduskkel]

wow, y'all just shading koba right off the bat huh?

[Alduskkel]

like DC and Pooky are really trying to discredit Koba and seems like they're setting them up as the Designated Mislynch

[Alduskkel]

HEAL: DkKoba

[Alduskkel]

yoink

[Alduskkel]

honestly surprised that anyone in this game is townreading me at this point because i've barely done anything this game yet

[Alduskkel]

datisi too cowardly to post a vote count because i snagged the page top

also this sounds weird but deimos's scumread on me feels like it makes more sense than tux's townread on me

[Alduskkel]

wow i'm not sure i want to read the last 5 pages

[Alduskkel]

yoink tho

[Alduskkel]

ok I'll read them

and the reason I pointed that out was because Tux's townread on me felt like TMI, like the only way he could tell I was town at this point was if he were scum and already knew

[Alduskkel]

Koba have you had a scumgame yet?

Not a conventional mafia game, just Avalon where I played my other wincon(finding merlin) rather than trying to avoid getting hanged. But I have plenty of town games you can analyze at your leisure

I already skimmed your towngames, why do you think I have little faith in your reads lol

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Speaking of TMI, can you explain why this is TMI?

[Alduskkel]

I see what you mean. This post gave me similar vibes:

You’re such a gift to scum koba, I bet every match they must be relieved to see you in the PL

[Alduskkel]

I think Pooky's initial case held some weight but the way that he approached the argument reeks of bad faith + he's dodging explaining his coalition reads.

I'm bored of this already

you're using the 1000 questions defense in which you ignore the attack and just distract with a bunch of random questions until the thread of the argument is lost and the post count is too long for anyone else to follow.

I'm going to stop engaging with you as it's obviously pointless at this time.

Like this is basically a misrepresentation (the questions aren't random) and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.

VOTE: Pooky

[Alduskkel]

did you even read the conversation I had with Koba?

Yeah I read it bruh

How about you stop dodging questions and actually explain your coalition

Explosive? Sure. Emotional? You betcha, but no real content or any real rebuttal to the substance of my case.

You're conveniently ignoring post 492.

He didn't actually explain - just continued attacking me with more emotional appeals - used a false dilemma logical fallacy and then a strawman logical fallacy, when I called him on those he began peppering me with all sorts of questions in order to deflect from the original topic of discussion.

Can you cite specific examples of these?

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Koba, why are you suddenly townreading Pooky?

[Alduskkel]

HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags

No you didn't.

[Alduskkel]

you SAID you explained it when you put it together and I just showed you didn't

[Alduskkel]

Spoiler: quote pile

deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

let's win this first day boys

get it done

I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie



let's do it

DC pretty susp

a real townie would've said yes

what

why did you stop playing chess with me ??

I think there are 2 high-ev methods to play day 1.

1) we figure out 5 definite townies, throw em in the coalition - win the game.

2) we throw the 5 worst players in the coalition - if they're scum we will kick their asses in the real game cuz they're bad.

nah

oh that's nice

let's try to get the coalition right then

we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.

50% of my mafia play is making bad plans and seeing who figures out they are terrible.

Votato a real G here

oh snap I just realized we have exactly 5 lovers from the other game here together

it's like a reunion.

Let's do it guys

HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL

The Real G who almost got there

HEAL: BUGSPRAY

My Chess Playing Time Traveling Lover

HEAL: TUXEDO MASK

The fool blinded by love

HEAL: VOTATO

The Bad Man who killed us all

HEAL: POOKY

One Teddy Bear to Save the Day

I'm ready for DC's solve

Take me to Money Town

I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

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None of these explain your damn coalition. At best you can say you explained Deimos's place, but that was a read you made on the first page.

[Alduskkel]

Koba, why are you suddenly townreading Pooky?

like seriously he's straight up lying at this point

[Alduskkel]

do you think koba is scum or do you just have issues with them as a player?

pedit: scum can have egos, and I don't see town confbiasing THIS hard on reads they formed THAT early.

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

what is this a reaction to

[Alduskkel]

@koba: why do you feel the need to assert that you're not townreading me?

[Alduskkel]

he's obviously distancing off you because you're scum together

you really think scum would be that obvious?

[Alduskkel]

we're not lying

if you actually read the first 10 pages of the game it's pretty obvious how we put this coalition together.

looking at ISOs completely misses the context.

[Alduskkel]

You guys don't really have a choice, caught on the backfoot, coming into the game late with a pure-town coalition already set up and about to lock in the win.

If that were true I would have tried to disrupt it way earlier. Try again.

[Alduskkel]

smh bird entrails are where it's at

[Alduskkel]

i guess sleeper has to sleep

[Alduskkel]

Limited access next 24 hours

Got it. -D

[Alduskkel]

You seem a lot like scum!you from pyp aldus

How so?

I am now noticing my main issue with this game where I thought I'd be really strong at it. Hm, noted.

What issue is that?

I liked Deimos's posts on pages 32-34 enough to solidify my townread on him.
HEAL: Deimos27

I also kinda liked wug's posts but I might be biased since she's townreading me.

i think a certain pair of people have been engaging in scum theater btw ! While its probably a dumb theory it matches up with the read i made last night on the table

What pair?

Ok, I saw a later post clarifying you meant Sleeper/Deimos. What makes it look like scum theater to you? They both look pretty town to me.

Spoiler:

it be like that sometimes

I can't really.... If I went into specifics it wouldn't be genuine because I'd be inventing specific reasons for just a general soul read. Your entire playstyle comes off as oblivious, stubborn town.

I'm unsure of koba's alignment but I am sure that they are stubborn and oblivious.

?

I'm no good at d1 solves, it takes flips to help me I think that I'm going to treat the coalition as a test for my top 2 scumteam reads being eliminated rather than trying to exclusively win outright because I'm only going to out-bigbrain myself that way. idk if anyone else sees what I'm saying, but trying to use the coalition for information and setting up a later solve should it be wrong is the best bet here.

What do you mean by this? It sounds like you're willing to accept a coalition that will probably fail, so that you can get long-term info out of it, but that doesn't sound like a good strategy.

[Alduskkel]

do you think koba is scum or do you just have issues with them as a player?

pedit: scum can have egos, and I don't see town confbiasing THIS hard on reads they formed THAT early.

Stop it, get out of my head probscum

why am i probscum

I'm bored of this already

you're using the 1000 questions defense in which you ignore the attack and just distract with a bunch of

random

questions until the thread of the argument is lost and the post count is too long for anyone else to follow.

I don't mean his questions are random or non-game relevant. That's a very silly way to read my post.

:thonk:

@Koba: You missed some questions I asked you in 965.

[Alduskkel]

hmm okay i think i understand what you're saying now. but why do you think sleeper/deimos looks like scum theater?

[Alduskkel]

also pooky if you're willing to read me in good faith and discuss things I will talk but I'm going to continue to ignore anything you say about me and not respond to it until you agree to have a conversation and not just a conf bias 1 way dialogue

I'm not going to trust you until I figure out who the rat on the original coalition is

This tl of Aldus was nonsense and I think this lack of resonance can also be explained by scum agenda when you think of these two as the scumteam. Considering the gamestate of neither of them being included in the townblock, Tux was trying to legitimize his teammate and perpetuate the idea that Aldus should be townread.

So why did I call attention to Tux's townread on me being bad?

[Alduskkel]

How so?

You look like you have very little interest in solving the game

I do though, what makes you think I don't?

Plus, I could say the same about you, although I'd say it's probably NAI.

@people townreading both DC and Koba: Why are you townreading DC? DC tried to discredit Koba and also slipped that he knew Koba was town (while still trying to push the slot as scum).

Discrediting:

Just so you know koba, if you think you have accurate reads based on posts like this then I’m going to stick with what I was originally planning to do with your slot anyway and just ignore you

Who else has got that “never letting koba into the coalition feeling” tonight?

Discrediting and slipping:

Koba have you had a scumgame yet?

Not a conventional mafia game, just Avalon where I played my other wincon(finding merlin) rather than trying to avoid getting hanged. But I have plenty of town games you can analyze at your leisure

I already skimmed your towngames, why do you think I have little faith in your reads lol

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You’re such a gift to scum koba, I bet every match they must be relieved to see you in the PL

Toxic enough to make people not wanna play and also bad-but-without-realising-you’re-bad meaning they can let you lead mislynches

[Alduskkel]

alduskkel why do you townread deimos

I don't see mafia taking a coalition off L-1 if they're in it.
Why would maf!deimos randomly change their mind on Tux here. This looks like Deimos genuinely changed his mind after rereading -- I don't see what hidden agenda there would be to this.
I liked Deimos's towncasing of Sleeper around page 19.

There's also what I said here:

I liked Deimos's posts on pages 32-34 enough to solidify my townread on him.
HEAL: Deimos27

Specifically his dissecting of Pooky vs Koba and his interrogation of Clover had a depth of critical thinking that seems pretty town to me. Also the train of thought looks like "explore the reasoning and motivations behind things, then take a stance," rather than "pick the stance that's most advantageous to me, then fill in the reasoning afterward to make it look good."

Re-read Klick ISO twice tonight - I don't think he comes up with 972 if he's scum, feels like a very townie thought to have and very out there - initial flow-train reads very cleanly and townie feels throughout. I like where he asks me to prove that I'm town to him.

972 is pretty out there but I don't see the difference between town!out-there and scum!out-there. And what's townie about asking you to prove you're town?

This tl of Aldus was nonsense and I think this lack of resonance can also be explained by scum agenda when you think of these two as the scumteam. Considering the gamestate of neither of them being included in the townblock, Tux was trying to legitimize his teammate and perpetuate the idea that Aldus should be townread.

So why did I call attention to Tux's townread on me being bad?

I assume you are referring to the "this sounds weird but Deimos' tr of me makes more sense than Tux's tr"? Scum turn down undue towncred perfectly often, since they think that it's townie to do so. Tux trying to elevate your status is perfectly consistent with you appearing skeptical over his basis for doing so.

I just think that in a scum!me scum!Tux world that interaction would require a lack of planning/coordination that doesn't make sense.

Because while I’m certainly open to making some bold moves as scum I’m also competent enough that I could very easily have faked a whole load of ~*engagement*~ and reads over the past few days and easily had you both putting me in

Instead of just skimming back through and being basically happy with who we have to go into the coalition and then hard pushing that

What, like your "engagement" in PYP?

Flip side: you had me as town earlier, why do you now have me below clover and aldus (who is honestly the worst slot in the game rn)

no u
(actually that's pooky but you're a close second)

im home now.

I want an update from everyone on where they're at for each slot at the table. I'm willing to adjust certain parts of my coalition if needed but fwiw I think mine is a winning one, if not one that helps grant a near "autowin"

I'm never putting DC or pooky into my coalition unless the alternative is no coalition at all.
Sleeper and you are locktown.
Deimos is a solid townread.
I'd prefer to be in the coalition of course but I recognize that I will probably not get that wish unless I towncase myself, and I have no idea how I'd go about doing that.
Klick is a slight townread.
For Clover, I'd like a refresher on why people find the slot scummy -- I can't recall seeing much AI stuff either way.
Wug is a bit scummy, but that's just carryover from Tux. I haven't found anything AI from Wug herself.

[Alduskkel]

jesus fuck I leave for

5 minutes

1 day and you guys fuck up the coalition

[Alduskkel]

Pooky's entrance to today strikes me as really town.

Explain.

@Clover: Why did you put Pooky in your coalition?

Also, I'm not voting outside the coalition today. I'm not convinced Koba is scum though.

[Alduskkel]

Dude don't self hammer, that's blatantly anti-town

[Alduskkel]

If you don't self-hammer then there's a good chance you won't get hammered at all.

[Alduskkel]

What's your guess for the scumteam?

[Alduskkel]

that's a spicy take

[Alduskkel]

booooo

[Alduskkel]

i really doubt that but part of me wants to anyway since it'd spare datisi the hassle of finding a replacement lmao

[Alduskkel]

can't believe i've been prodded on the anniversary of america emerging from britain's vagina

[Alduskkel]

i feel like i have 0 clout in this game and it's very frustrating because it's like no one really listens to my reads

[Alduskkel]

sorry I got distracted playing brawlhalla

anyway I still think we should lynch pooky
SS and deimos still town
DC scummy but off coalition so eh
koba/chemist most likely town
moderate townread on you
mixed feelings about wug and clover

would like to hear more from chemist, particularly his reads on SS and clover. I doubt I'll change my mind on SS but I'm interested in a different PoV. Also this was a decent point

[Alduskkel]

how is DC locktown??

[Alduskkel]

uh I wasn't chill you guys just suddenly pushed it through while I was offline, that's not the same thing

[Alduskkel]

i have trouble seeing DC as town partly because of the amount he's been going "I would do this this and this if I were scum, not this" and I'm just like ew

[Alduskkel]

uh I wasn't chill you guys just suddenly pushed it through while I was offline, that's not the same thing

votato Jun 23, 03:30pm Jun 25, 03:20pm 9 days 12 hours 75
Clover Ebi Jun 23, 05:13pm Jul 04, 12:47pm 0 days 15 hours 53
Alduskkel Jun 23, 09:59pm Jul 05, 02:57am 0 days 0 hours 51
Tuxedo Mask Jun 23, 04:46pm Jun 24, 11:28pm 10 days 4 hours 36
Wug Jun 25, 03:30pm Jul 03, 03:44pm 1 day 12 hours 28
Chemist1422 Jul 03, 05:04pm Jul 04, 05:38pm 0 days 10 hours 11
bugspray Jun 23, 01:21pm Jun 23, 08:59pm 11 days 6 hours 2


You got 25 less posts than votato who replaced out like 9 days ago
the only person with less posts than you are wug/chemist who are replacements who weren't here at game start. You've been literally just lurking through without a care in the world.

post count is not a good measure of activity

also being on the lower end of post count is just my M.O., check any of my recent games

[Alduskkel]

how much ya wanna bet that clover is the counterwagon to a scum!pooky?

[Alduskkel]

In fact I've just worked out what exactly it is that's bothering me about the gamestate

A bunch of people asked me to towncase Clover, so I did. And then everyone basically ignored it (except for Koba, who just said they agreed). And now Clover's getting wagoned without any real reasons and without any engagement with my reasons for thinking he's town.

@everyone (but specifically Pooky, Clover and Wug):

I'd like it if you went and looked at my thoughts on Clover in 1234, and gave your thoughts on the towncase there. I've convinced myself that Clover is the most likely player in the game to be town, and if you want to execute Clover then it'd be great if you could tell me why those thoughts aren't valid.

Particularly, if Clover is scum I don't think his play makes any sense in regards to trying to get into a coalition that doesn't lose him the game. UNLESS Clover is scum with someone else in the coalition who has been safe in the coalition for some time. In which case, it makes no sense to vote Clover first.

PEdit: I wanted to post this about an hour ago and it seems Clover and Chemist have already made different parts of my point for me

TBH I think my eyes glazed over a bit when I first read 1234 because of the length. But going over it again I can see your points. I also think Clover-town makes sense considering the game state right now.

I could be completely wrong and Pooky is town and this is big brain play from Klick in a Klick/Clover team but that's just paranoia speaking.

[Alduskkel]

~

[Alduskkel]

yoink

[Alduskkel]

Wait is Pooky lynched or just at L-1?

[Alduskkel]

Oh okay

Then 1627 just seems like a LAMIST sort of post then.

[Alduskkel]

I really think Pooky is caught scum and one or both of the Clover/SS wagons is an attempt to save him.

[Alduskkel]

Pooky's posts a couple pages back where he's making a case against Clover reads more like he just came up with that stuff recently. If he had all those points in his head for a while he would have mentioned it earlier, he's only doing it now because he needs Clover to be lynched instead of him.

[Alduskkel]

What do you guys think of DC's naked vote on Pooky, especially depending on how Pooky flips?

[Alduskkel]

this sounds crazy but the more i think about it the more it sounds scummy as fuck no matter what pooky's alignment is

[Alduskkel]

just wanna point out that if deadline hits it's a no lynch so please go back to voting pooky kthx

[Alduskkel]

*no execution, no elimination, whatevs

[Alduskkel]

i dunno klick made a pretty good case for clover being town

[Alduskkel]

Okay, what do you think about his pooky/koba progressions though?

whom is this addressed to?

[Alduskkel]

also the fact that the people i find scummiest are the ones urging me to vote clover or klick is a big ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

like I'm here Just In Case but I really don't want to vote anyone other than pooky unless we absolutely cannot avoid a no elimination day 1 otherwise

[Alduskkel]

yoink
also want to point out that if you guys both vote pooky right now then we don't have to worry about this nonsense

[Alduskkel]

I don't think Klick would hard defend Clover that much unless they were both scum, since they're both on the coalition.

[Alduskkel]

If Klick is scum then he wants to get other people on the coalition lynched before him. Trying to convince people that Clover is town goes directly against that.

[Alduskkel]

Also I agreed with Klick saying Pooky's scumread on Clover felt fake, so I can see Klick's progression on townreading Pooky to scumreading Pooky as genuine.

[Alduskkel]

You're assuming Klickscum can count on getting 2 others eliminated before him. What if he gets voted out Day 1 or Day 2? Then defending Clover has hurt him.

pedit: that was @DC

[Alduskkel]

i literally can't convince anyone of anything in this game

[Alduskkel]

alright then explain what your naked vote on pooky earlier was about then

[Alduskkel]

alright then explain what your naked vote on pooky earlier was about then

I wasn’t sure if I would have time to read up and based on my remembrance of the game I was okay lynching him and going from there tomorrow

so what changed

[Alduskkel]

Pooky took a bad faith approach to arguing with Koba.
Pooky literally lied about explaining his coalition.
Pooky moved goalposts to try to win his argument with Koba and me.
Pooky supposedly scumread Clover for a while but only recently brought up a lot of points against him. Points that he could have mentioned much earlier, but didn't because the truth is that he came up with a scumread on Clover out of convenience and then tacked on the reasons later to make it look good.

VOTE POOKY.

[Alduskkel]

@deimos just FYI if you want a flip you’re gonna need to hammer clover because I’m not voting pooky

No, Deimos is going to vote Pooky and then you're going to hammer. And if a no-elimination happens instead then this town should instantly vote out Pooky and then you Day 2 and Day 3.

[Alduskkel]

The scumteam is literally Pooky and DC.

[Alduskkel]

Pooky's account here is 17 years old. He can absolutely churn out posts like those, Deimos.

[Alduskkel]

Pooky's account here is 17 years old. He can absolutely churn out posts like those, Deimos.

As scum I mean, in case it wasn't obvious that's what I meant.

[Alduskkel]

Your progression on me also makes zero sense

You went from calling me very likely town, to resisting me being on the coalition while insisting that I’d be very very likely town if it failed, then sheeping me on my koba push, to now arguing that I might be scum with the person who I put at L-1 for several hours and have no started to hard defend

You did that because you thought your partner was a goner but now you're realizing "hey, I can actually save him" and are trying to blackmail this whole town with threats of a no-elimination to try to get your way.

pedit: Deimos, if Pooky were scum then what would you have expected him to do instead?

[Alduskkel]

I vote Pooky on the condition Klick eats rope tomorrow on green flip

Deal

[Alduskkel]

At this point for Pooky lynch to happen you need both DC and myself to swing there or Chemist to apparate

The first step is you voting Pooky.

[Alduskkel]

Oh no, DC's disappointed I'm tunneling his partner

[Alduskkel]

(Klick, aldus) doesn’t feel insane right now

But then why are they so obsessed over lynching Pooky rather than Clover?

I’m not sure. Idk how valid this is but I guess there’s two possibilities:

(1) they think clover will go through anyway which then sets up a pooky lynch tomorrow and gets them to 5p

(2) they think the path to a win involves a hard pocket on clover as the patsy who’s meant to vote town in 5p and the plan is to get pooky -> sleeper -> chem where clover is meant to misvote

impressive job bending over backwards

[Alduskkel]

Aldus why so toxic mann

i haven't insulted DC as a person, i just think he's scummy as fuck

[Alduskkel]

Well, I’m off, there’s 3 of you on pooky around any of you can choose to switch over if you don’t want a no-execute on D1 which almost certain loses the game!

Hey, how about YOU switch over so we don't end up in this "almost certain" town loss scenario?

[Alduskkel]

Hmm, I still think we lynch Pooky today but something does feel a little off with that nightkill.

Most people were expecting a Deimos kill since he's the towniest off-coalition player, so either he's scum, or scum want to keep the pool of off-coalition players as large as possible for some reason.
If Pooky is town, killing on-coalition makes almost no sense because then even if it's 1 scum on and 1 scum off we have a 50% shot of eliminating scum Day 3, and there's no reason for scum to help us like that.
If Pooky is scum, then either 1) Deimos wasn't killed because Deimos is actually scum, 2) Chemist was killed because his top suspect was SS and that slot is scum, 3) Chemist was killed just for being relatively townread and it's as simple as that, or 4) it's some galaxy brain play that I can't suss out.

I think scumteams with Klick in them have a pretty straightforward win condition: execute in-coalition and don't let Klick die
NKing Chemist works directly contrary to that

Can someone summarize why this logic doesn't work for pooky as well?

- Dumber

Because Klickscum has a reasonable shot of living long, whereas Pookyscum is basically staring down the barrel of a gun and probably expects to die today regardless of who they nightkill.

Consider my vote spiritually on pooky but I won’t be making it concrete until everyone has commented on who they think is scum in the case that pooky does flip town + what they think of the NK

If Pooky actually flips town then I think Day 3 we probably eliminate D&D. I just don't see the logic in Klick's play if he's scum.

Pooky's posts these last couple pages just seem like scum trying to confuse us and not provide any helpful information.

[Alduskkel]

it's easy to tell D&D hasn't read the game from how they're actually voting someone other than pooky

[Alduskkel]

D&D if klick were confirmed town then what would your pick for the scumteam be?

[Alduskkel]

okay here's your damn quote pile that should illustrate why pooky is scum

Spoiler:

I think Pooky's initial case held some weight but the way that he approached the argument reeks of bad faith + he's dodging explaining his coalition reads.

I'm bored of this already

you're using the 1000 questions defense in which you ignore the attack and just distract with a bunch of random questions until the thread of the argument is lost and the post count is too long for anyone else to follow.

I'm going to stop engaging with you as it's obviously pointless at this time.

Like this is basically a misrepresentation (the questions aren't random) and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.

VOTE: Pooky

you SAID you explained it when you put it together and I just showed you didn't

deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

let's win this first day boys

get it done

I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie



let's do it

DC pretty susp

a real townie would've said yes

what

why did you stop playing chess with me ??

I think there are 2 high-ev methods to play day 1.

1) we figure out 5 definite townies, throw em in the coalition - win the game.

2) we throw the 5 worst players in the coalition - if they're scum we will kick their asses in the real game cuz they're bad.

nah

oh that's nice

let's try to get the coalition right then

we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.

50% of my mafia play is making bad plans and seeing who figures out they are terrible.

Votato a real G here

oh snap I just realized we have exactly 5 lovers from the other game here together

it's like a reunion.

Let's do it guys

HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL

The Real G who almost got there

HEAL: BUGSPRAY

My Chess Playing Time Traveling Lover

HEAL: TUXEDO MASK

The fool blinded by love

HEAL: VOTATO

The Bad Man who killed us all

HEAL: POOKY

One Teddy Bear to Save the Day

I'm ready for DC's solve

Take me to Money Town

I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags

None of these explain your damn coalition. At best you can say you explained Deimos's place, but that was a read you made on the first page.

like seriously he's straight up lying at this point

vote Clover

get him tommorrow for me pls thx. look at his iso its basically contentless.

good luck i tried my best


go town.

Oh okay

Then 1627 just seems like a LAMIST sort of post then.

Pooky's posts a couple pages back where he's making a case against Clover reads more like he just came up with that stuff recently. If he had all those points in his head for a while he would have mentioned it earlier, he's only doing it now because he needs Clover to be lynched instead of him.

Pooky took a bad faith approach to arguing with Koba.
Pooky literally lied about explaining his coalition.
Pooky moved goalposts to try to win his argument with Koba and me.
Pooky supposedly scumread Clover for a while but only recently brought up a lot of points against him. Points that he could have mentioned much earlier, but didn't because the truth is that he came up with a scumread on Clover out of convenience and then tacked on the reasons later to make it look good.

VOTE POOKY.

Pooky doesn't like what DK is doing, but I'm not convinced he actually scumreads DK.
'they didn't respond to my case so they're scum' is not moving. Either Pooky himself is being stubborn in demanding a proper response, or he's scum because he doesn't particularly care about being right.

This game is a LOOONG read and I took breaks to sort my thoughts along the way.

Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.

that's not what I said

ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.

ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.

I did explain it, you should read my posts

There were a lot more posts from pooky that pinged me as scummy as I was rereading, but I think these are some of the most illustrative. I don't believe pooky actually explained it that well, I don't buy that town!pooky can't see koba's points on their approach to the game. I think pooky is too smart for that even though he's very good at playing dumb.

you called my case full of holes like swiss cheese and you already exposed a gaping one. I'm still waiting for it.

Acknowledging here that his case has "one gaping hole" in it, but then ignoring it? That seems scummy. "You said 'swiss cheese', therefor you must give me multiple holes, one GAPING one is not enough"

Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.

that's not what I said

Okay if it's not what you said, then make corrections instead of just stating this. It sure seems like that's what you said. Because it sounds like that's what you said here.

I'd put Koba at 50% scum

he's either trying desperately to fight his way onto the coalition because he knows we are about to win easily.

or

he's a misguided townie who wants to make a splash but fell flat on his face

Shortly after this ^^^ he posts the following:

You don't want to have an honest discussion, you are scum trying to obfuscate by spamming a crapload of random things and making me re-state myself over and over so that anyone reading this thread loses focus and doesn't even know what we're talking about at the end of this if they even read to the end of this.

as this is a total waste of time I will no longer be engaging with your spot in the game. I consider you scum, I will not vote for you to be on my coalition. If you somehow seize control and get yourself coalition'ed and we get to the lynch phase my vote will automatically be on you.

Good day

Pooky seems too adamant that koba is scum without backing it up all that much (koba's behaviour can be explained by being stubborn town IMO, pooky should see this?), and he's unwilling to adequately defend his coalition. Seems scummy to me.

Aldus summaries my thoughts on the argument better than I could

-cut-

But instead of answering my case - he obfuscates by angrily spamming the thread with question after question on my behavior instead - this is a very typical whataboutism/1000 question defense.

-cut-

Now if you guys believe that behavior is protown- then by all means put kona in your coalition and leave me out - it's fine. Just a game and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you all that something obviously scummy is scummy.

Why aren't you willing to consider that koba's anti-town play could be coming from a townie? Isn't that how people are saying their previous games went?

I'm honestly not even bothered to interact with pooky anymore because they ARE tunneling and I already sorted their slot so there's 0 point in it since i have nothing to gain but wasted words they can think I'm scum all they want because in case they haven't noticed the conversation has moved on and I've already said my piece.

I'd rather have Pooky in the coalition over anyone but you klick as your slot and pooky's slots are the only 2 i'm sure of (yours because of votato )

koba I don't understand how you can be sure that pooky is town because to me, based on what I posted above, he seems scummy.

HURT: all

HEAL: SleeperSoul
HEAL: Deimos
HEAL: Klick
HEAL: koba

as far as I can tell I'm just adding koba to my previous coalition but I cleared it first to make sure.

I think Pooky is working from a starting point of 'Clover can't be townread' and is making his argument from that perspective.

There is a plausible reason for him to be doing that as town. But I find it more likely that he's scum who needs Clover available as a mis-execute.

Pooky posted a lot of content and played self-sacrifice to peel people off his wagon. If he was town he'd have done it post-hammer.

[Alduskkel]

i posted that quote pile so D&D would stop claiming the pooky case was just "clover deathtunneling"

[Alduskkel]

I'm kinda starting to get the feeling that Pooky is lynchbait

Besides Wug doesn't even make sense as my partner - I was planning on getting her lynched initially with Koba back when the Coalition first failed.

Scumslip?

[Alduskkel]

i'm gonna wait for deimos and klick to say their peace and once that happens i'm voting pooky because D&D is giving me a brain aneurysm trying to argue that pooky is town and if we just eliminate pooky we can immediately clarify that yes pooky is scum and move on with our lives to more productive discussions

[Alduskkel]

ssshhhh there's no need for scum to speak

[Alduskkel]

it's a scumslip because town don't "plan" on getting someone eliminated

only scum would think of themselves as "planning" an elimination

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Pooky

This is insane. You guys are seriously considering eliminating Klick instead of Pooky? Are we reading the same game?

I think that you're scumread on pooky is overexagerated and doesn't even make much sense either.

He's also making valid points that you're ignoring.

Such as?

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

And on top of that, you're scumreading someone who hard-defended town Day 1. What scum does that? In your scenario, it's two competing town wagons -- scum doesn't give a damn which one goes through in the end.

[Alduskkel]

And on top of that, you're scumreading someone who hard-defended town Day 1. What scum does that? In your scenario, it's two competing town wagons -- scum doesn't give a damn which one goes through in the end.

Well according to you, I did for Koba-town.

Are you confusing me with Klick?

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated.

Klick

has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at her posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting

Pooky

when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If

Klick

were town she'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

And on top of that,

I'm

scumreading someone who hard-defended town Day 1. What scum does that?

Hmmmmm

False equivalency -- Klick is engaging more with the game than Pooky is, and also Klick (up until recently) probably didn't feel as though death were imminent.

I wouldn't call what Pooky did "hard-defending" of Koba.

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

And you don't think he'd fight back as scum?
I can imagine that at least fighting back and having his partner tunnel him sets his partner up nicely; sitting back and just accepting the firing doesn't really sound like a scum!Pooky move either.
Pooky doesn't strike me as the kind of person who resigns that easily as scum.

-Dumbass

I don't think he would, especially after his twilight-not-twilight posting on Day 1. He's trying to act all "o woe is me" and fighting back hard doesn't fit that.

He might not fight back because:
1. He expected to get eliminated quickly, making it pointless.
2. The harder he fights back the more he risks giving away information about other people's alignments after he flips.

---

@DC: Why do you find Klick scummier than Pooky? Is it because of Pooky's interaction with the Koba wagon? I'd like to point out that Pooky had already changed his read on Koba to town prior to Koba reaching E-1, thus a hammer would have been suspicious.

I just don't understand why you've changed your mind on Pooky vs Klick when you were so adamant earlier that eliminating Pooky was the correct decision today.

[Alduskkel]

@DC: Why do you find Klick scummier than Pooky? Is it because of Pooky's interaction with the Koba wagon? I'd like to point out that Pooky had already changed his read on Koba to town prior to Koba reaching E-1, thus a hammer would have been suspicious.

I just don't understand why you've changed your mind on Pooky vs Klick when you were so adamant earlier that eliminating Pooky was the correct decision today.

Right, only... why change his mind on it when I entered the post-coalition fail phase pushing koba and all he had to do was stay sceptical to get a hammer off and mis-exe.

Do you disagree that there was probably a scum on the koba wagon? If there was, and your answer is “it was wug” why does pooky decide to start off the day lolbussing his partner?

The coalition failed at post 1269, Pooky changed his stance on Koba in 1111.

Scum on Koba's wagon was most likely you or D&D.

False equivalency -- Klick is engaging more with the game than Pooky is, and also Klick (up until recently) probably didn't feel as though death were imminent.

PookyTheMagicalBear Jun 23, 03:36pm Jul 13, 11:52pm 0 days 15 hours 315
Klick Jun 25, 04:15pm Jul 13, 08:05pm 0 days 19 hours 247

How is Klick engaging more with the game when I have like 25% more posts than him?

I've also had meaningful fights with Clover, Koba and Klick.

I meant on Day 2 specifically.

And again, post count is a very shallow measure of engagement. I was referring to the content of your posts.

Who can this man even be scum with though

D&D or DC? With a smaller chance of Wug?

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

I think that you're unnaturally confident on this read, and I disagree that he has not been scumhunting.

I could argue you're unnaturally confident in Pooky being town.

I've explained why I suspect Pooky. If I seem "unnaturally confident" then explain in more detail why that's true.

[Alduskkel]

i feel like i have 0 clout in this game and it's very frustrating because it's like no one really listens to my reads

[Alduskkel]

Also, aldus, why don’t you think wug was the scum on koba!wagon?

Aren't you the one saying Pooky/Wug doesn't make much sense as a scumteam?

Like if you start with the premise that Pooky is scum then his most logical partners are either you or D&D.

Hmm, I still think we lynch Pooky today but something does feel a little off with that nightkill.

Most people were expecting a Deimos kill since he's the towniest off-coalition player, so either he's scum, or scum want to keep the pool of off-coalition players as large as possible for some reason.
If Pooky is town, killing on-coalition makes almost no sense because then even if it's 1 scum on and 1 scum off we have a 50% shot of eliminating scum Day 3, and there's no reason for scum to help us like that.
If Pooky is scum, then either 1) Deimos wasn't killed because Deimos is actually scum, 2) Chemist was killed because his top suspect was SS and that slot is scum, 3) Chemist was killed just for being relatively townread and it's as simple as that, or 4) it's some galaxy brain play that I can't suss out.

Is it just me or that first sentence reads like bad acting?
"Something does feel a little off with that nightkill" is such weirdly soft phrasing.

Obviously

there's something off with scum narrowing our PoE, that is discernible by simple logic — not "feel".

Everything about this looks like a scum narrative to push (1) Pooky and then (2) D&D or Deimos.

Idk how to defend myself from phrasing issues. But as for the rest, of course I wanted to push Pooky. Yes D&D makes sense as a partner. The possibility of you being scum was something I just mentioned for completeness, not because it was something I considered plausible.

Furtherfurtherfurthermore, town should be willing to hammer someone rather than no one. Instead, I was left to be the hammerer at 1min left, and DC also demonstrated his presence to try and hammer.

Aldus and Klick just sorted of faded away and made half-hearted appeals to DC and players that weren't present to manifest. I suspect they would've been happy with a no lynch.

I was around at deadline and calling my appeals to DC "half-hearted" is absolute nonsense. Also I would have hammered Clover to avoid a no elimination -- if you're willing to take DC's word that he would have hammered, then you should be equally willing to take my word.

[Alduskkel]

I wouldn't say "obviously" you or D&D but the associatives seem to line up.
I townread Klick and Deimos so they're not the partners.
Wug could be a partner but if so the scum game plan is kinda weird with some not very good bussing involved.

Klick, why is DC obvtown?

[Alduskkel]

I think I’d like each of you to scumcase the other before anything else. You’ve also both suggested that I’m town, in which case — who do you think is the partner of the other and why?

Same. Assuming we make it to Day 4 I think we're going to need to examine the associatives as closely as possible.

And I don't want to see just "oh oops we were wrong but now we know because of the setup that the other is scum." If you have confirmation that another player is scum you should be able to reread their posts and figure out the scum angle.

[Alduskkel]

I have some issues with that analysis.
1. I was pushing Pooky way earlier than Wug. What's my scum motivation for that?
2. If Wug is Pooky's partner, then Wug's main alternative to bussing is to try and save Pooky. But that probably leaves her in an even worse spot than if she buses. So I would argue that scum-Wug would be picking between two bad options and would choose the least bad option -- bussing.

[Alduskkel]

I mean, despite Pooky not "fighting harder" he still managed to make it to Day 3. You are right though that Wug could have easily switched and didn't.

When can we expect that Pooky case?

[Alduskkel]

And I don't want to see just "oh oops we were wrong but now we know because of the setup that the other is scum." If you have confirmation that another player is scum you should be able to reread their posts and figure out the scum angle.

why
just because someone is mechanically scum doesn't make their posts different from what they were

Yeah but if they had their town tinted glasses on before then now's the opportunity to take them off and reanalyze.

if team is pooky/d&d then them having to argue right now is really funny and they should continue

Lol, agreed, this was also part of my motivation. More seriously, it's also our best way of checking if they are actually scum partners.

does n1 on-coalition kill make sense if both maf are in the coalition?

It's a pretty bold play, but if they expected Pooky to get eliminated Day 2 then it sort of makes sense to sell the idea of 1 off, 1 on.

I think it's also very notable that both Pooky and D&D are pushing me as the other's partner.

[Alduskkel]

I'm a bit torn about DC. He's flip flopped a lot on Pooky, but I think during the key moments he's been on Pooky's side more than not (end of Days 1 and 2, in particular). I also disliked his interaction with Koba, as I've said before.

On the other hand, Klick and Deimos both called DC "obvtown" and made decent points in his favor, so I'm less confident in scumreading DC than I am with Pooky (especially since a lot of my suspicion of DC hinges on Pooky flipping scum).

TBH I've kinda been putting off coming to a conclusion on him until Day 4, assuming I live that long.

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

Just one thing that bothers me: if the scumteam is Pooky/D&D, and they NK'd Chemist because they expected Pooky to be eliminated Day 2, then why did D&D hard defend Pooky on Day 2?

[Alduskkel]

yoink

[Alduskkel]

hello i'm reading but it looks like pooky is at E-1 and is currently AtEing

[Alduskkel]

Just one thing that bothers me: if the scumteam is Pooky/D&D, and they NK'd Chemist because they expected Pooky to be eliminated Day 2, then why did D&D hard defend Pooky on Day 2?

DC do you have any theories? this is like the one thing that I wanna clear up before I hammer Pooky

[Alduskkel]

@aldus, how paranoid should I be about a porky/wug team here?

Maybe somewhat, but pooky/wug's early interactions looked like pooky going "oooh, easy miselimination on wug."

I think it would be very, very odd for DnD!town to enter today going “hmm, yes, DC is pretty much locktown to me also, the person who switched off what I know KNOW to be scum when I had the chance, and who was pretty entirely responsible for their not dying on D1”

Does that not feel like a really weird thought process for town to have here? And I think them picking you as a partner for pooky vs wug was weird too, if they were saying I was town?

Hmm, yeah, I see what you're saying.

I think the thing about this game is: no matter what the scumteam is, they HAD to have done something weird. So any possible answers left are going to be somewhat unintuitive.

Anyway, I've been waiting weeks for this, SO LET'S DO THIS

VOTE: Pooky

BOOM

[Alduskkel]

Okay well I was making a giant post just to make 100% sure that Wug was convinced that D&D is scum but if that's not necessary then I'm not gonna bother finishing it lol. I'll leave the partially completed post under a spoiler if you like.

VOTE: Dumb and Dumber

Spoiler:

Okay, I think the last scum is D&D. Here's why I think Wug is town/D&D is scum.

SS > Aldus > Wug > Pooky is my current preferred order

Ok, sorry Klick, I understand your inactivity point but I have to trust my read on your play D1D2 and what I see in your play is careful opportunism, agenda, and narrative pushing.

The solve is almost definitely D&D/Pooky if this is wrong, but you lot just gotta work off the foundations we've set today to check the plausible associations of each.

Tough game!

VOTE: Klick

I think it would be very, very odd for DnD!town to enter today going “hmm, yes, DC is pretty much locktown to me also, the person who switched off what I know KNOW to be scum when I had the chance, and who was pretty entirely responsible for their not dying on D1”

Does that not feel like a really weird thought process for town to have here? And I think them picking you as a partner for pooky vs wug was weird too, if they were saying I was town?

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

We were pretty surprised at the flip, and I'm impressed by Pooky's scum versatility.

Pretty sure DonCorleone is town.

-Dumbass

Donc is locktown

Aldus and Wug, one is the last townie the other is DND scumpartner.

I know you both wanted me dead yesterday _ pls give me a chance today > if you don’t we lose as town right away.

I am here to answer any questions you might have.

This is so fuckin weird man

Like why would you enter day “pretty sure I’m town” and then not even be sceptical of that when the person you should /know to be scum/ says the same thing?

I'll discuss with Dumber and see if we can evaluate for the partner [of which there's only two options: Wug and Aldu] with another re-read

This really feels like a pocket, much more than I feel like wug has been trying to do that

And tbh if wug is scum I just don’t feel it at this point

She just feels town now

Some last thoughts from our nightkilled townies. Notice any pattern? That's right, they all had Sleeper/D&D as their top suspect.






As early as page 9 Tuxedo Mask (Wug's predecessor) was using meta evidence to argue that Pooky was scum. Maintains this read all the way until being replaced. A coalition with Pooky on it reached 3/5 votes and TM didn't budge on his stance.

I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

So that I can read YOU!

as town

Why does Sleeper feel the need to specify that he wants to read Pooky as town?

Remember when I said TM was scumreading Pooky when a coalition with Pooky was at 3/5 votes? One of those votes was Sleeper's:

Vote count 1.13

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-07 13:00:00)

coalition

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]:

Deimos27, SleeperSoul, DonCorleone, PookyTheMagicalBear, votato

votato [5]:

votato, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27, SleeperSoul

SleeperSoul [5]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Deimos27, DonCorleone, SleeperSoul, votato

Tuxedo Mask [5]:

Deimos27, Alduskkel, Clover Ebi, SleeperSoul, Tuxedo Mask

DonCorleone [5]:

DonCorleone, SleeperSoul, Clover Ebi, PookyTheMagicalBear, Deimos27

DkKoba [5]:

Tuxedo Mask, votato, DkKoba, Clover Ebi, Alduskkel

Deimos27 [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, votato, DonCorleone, SleeperSoul

Alduskkel [3]:

Alduskkel, votato, SleeperSoul

Clover Ebi [0]:

lynch

SleeperSoul (1):

Deimos27

Tuxedo Mask (1):

DonCorleone

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

DkKoba

not voting (6):

Alduskkel, votato, Clover Ebi, SleeperSoul, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tuxedo Mask

So he was scum in the game you played? What he do that constituted "telling" you his alignment?

he's a stream of consciousness poster who is also a noob, he kind of just blurts out whatever he's thinking and most noob scum tend to be more lurky - I'd expect his post count to be lower if he was scum but the fact that he's just randomly spamming whatever random thoughts pop into his head at this point feels to me to be TI.

if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

Pooky trying to tell us how Sleeper would look as scum.

I'm gonna take myself out of my coalition just to make sure things don't get ahead of me like last game.

HURT: SleeperSoul

Or is that not gonna help? I still feel the sting of the days of last game ending sooner than I wanted.

I'm not sure how I feel about Koba. You guys seem a lot more certain lol

Taking himself out of the coalition when there's already one confirmed scum in the coalition is a safe play for scum!Sleeper. Although, it's not long before he goes back to voting for the same coalition so idk. Maybe they talked about something in the scum PT.

again you missed my question ((

I'm asking you to analyze his push.

and to make a read on me.

sorry im a soul reader

pookys soul is so loud that no analysis is really needed

can't do one now or probably tonight, sorry

Of course scum don't want to explain their townread on their scumpartner. Sleeper only explains later after Koba pressures him about it.

Koba and Pooky have their fight. Sleeper changes his Pooky townread to scumread, but goes back to a townread once Koba starts townreading Pooky. I don't think this trajectory was natural, it reads more like a preparation to potentially bus and then backing out once Pooky is taking less heat.

GG. Many thanks to Pooky! A+ scumpartner

[Alduskkel]

quickvoting in lylo isn't really advised, although i have no idea if D&D could have possibly saved that situation

day 1 was easily the hardest, pooky almost didn't get on the coalition and then almost got eliminated
after dodging those bullets the game was much easier afterward

pedit: thanks klick! i kinda got a bit lucky though because there was never going to be an elimination off coalition before scum flipped on coalition. if eliminating off coalition had been on the table, then i don't know if i'd have lived as long

[Alduskkel]

Also purely off play I didn’t think aldus would hardbus his buddy D1 when he looked likely to flip and then have to explain in 3p lylo why he wasn’t dead from a NK.

My plan for this if Pooky died Day 1 was to take out Deimos, probably Klick next, and then whoever was towniest at the end of Day 3 and then be like "well, I'm still alive because scum were busy NKing other obvtown players, plus maybe my reads aren't good, plus I'm bad at convincing people so I'm less threatening to them."

[Alduskkel]

Pooky day 1 and day 2 be like

[Alduskkel]

chemist, were you more suspicious of klick or pooky when you were reading day 2?