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Post #31 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:09 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
Is there reason to not use the list? I imagine the Doom Counter staying low as possible is a thing we can abuse. That actually makes it mountainous, though, which benefits slightly towards scum's benefit.
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Post #116 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:10 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 99, DkKoba wrote:I'd rather figure out if this is just playstyle > scum being unsure and playing aloof.
I am not a player who would be unsure if scum. While I may speak differently than most are used, I am a fully trained Jedi, and will take you on as my padawan.
succumb to the dark side like my master before me.
Hey, I haven't forgotten about you.
When possible, I would like to see your takes on the game.
I feel a disturbance in the *force* and maybe it's coming from you.
Which disturbance have I made? I don't think I've had any major sort of effect on the game. I've been merely reacting as I don't have a total grasp on the game nor the mechanics. It's much too early for me to have any strong reads at the time.
I'm watching the game to see what I think is off, but at the moment, I haven't been pinged by anything that I couldn't see coming from a town perspective, like you coming after me, or Dkk/Gimli's votes on me.
I think Dkkoba's vote on me is worse than Gimli's, but I do not think that makes them scum.
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Post #147 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:52 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.
I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.
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Post #150 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:54 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
I am giving every thought I have out in the game out there, typically. I don't really care too much about the blunderous act of throwing around reads prematurely. I don't have town reads or scum reads. I have notes.
Dkk/Gimli, I commented on.
You, I commented on.
I will use these notes along with other notes from pings to find scum and town.
In post 147, Ahsoka wrote:People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.
I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.
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Post #158 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:03 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 146, clidd wrote:If you don't have time, fine, it could be later, but it's important for me to see what you're thinking.
pedit: I couldn't absorb anything ai from your 143.
You're asking me to give you 50cents when I only have a quarter, essentially.
On Page 6, I'd be able to fabricate any reads pretty easy with the defense of them not being strong if I wanted to, so the fact you pushed it as you couldn't get anything AI out of it is silly to me.
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Post #160 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:11 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 159, clidd wrote:So you don't have any strong read that you like to talk and that's ok because it's page 6 and I'm the villain for wanting to force something that theoretically you would not be able to deliver bc you're town and town don't have real reads early game. Is that it?
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Post #162 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:14 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
I don't know Gimli, but I know you and Kkoba, so let's fight. Shall we?
I believe this push on me is fabricated. I believe there are town on my wagon currently, as I specifically do not think Gimli and Dkkoba are both scum voting me.
Clidd can be scum because they hard misrepped me right when momentum on me could have gone either way. They can be impatient town. Either way, this should end up amusing.
In post 162, Ahsoka wrote:I don't know Gimli, but I know you and Kkoba, so let's fight. Shall we?
I believe this push on me is fabricated. I believe there are town on my wagon currently, as I specifically do not think Gimli and Dkkoba are both scum voting me.
Clidd can be scum because they hard misrepped me right when momentum on me could have gone either way. They can be impatient town. Either way, this should end up amusing.
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Post #169 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:17 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 163, clidd wrote:I hoped you would be inclined to create something, but at least you were sincere and firm in what you said. It is not ideal, but it is already something.
pedit: I feel like a villain by the tone you approached the subject, but don't worry.
pedit: what
No, you clearly want me to create something, but I have a certain type of gravitas that's looking over me.
I will create something for you.
I will single handedly bring this game out of RVS so that something will happen that gives me a strong reason because you don't seem patient enough to let that sit.
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Post #174 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:22 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
You know what happens if I turn myself into a force ghost, the heroes will prevail. They always do, and the Force Ghost is something of a specialty of mine.
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Post #196 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:48 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
Look at that hard discredit train of Gimli, just chop chop chopping me down.
That might actually be scum indicative. He made the choice to push further, almost unnecessarily, in a nitpicky fashion like the italics. Seems like they want to keep momentum going on me.
In post 196, Ahsoka wrote:Look at that hard discredit train of Gimli, just chop chop chopping me down.
That might actually be scum indicative. He made the choice to push further, almost unnecessarily, in a nitpicky fashion like the italics. Seems like they want to keep momentum going on me.
In post 159, clidd wrote:So you don't have any strong read that you like to talk and that's ok because it's page 6 and I'm the villain for wanting to force something that theoretically you would not be able to deliver bc you're town and town don't have real reads early game. Is that it?
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Post #331 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:24 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
Dkkoba and Clidd probably include 1 scum within them, but probably not both. Eh, I guess it's possible both. I feel like one scum at least was on me in those first 3, which leaves Gimli, and those 2, but Gimli has been super townie the past few pages.
No agenda, very genuine. I guess it's possible it's fakeable this early, but I'm confident enough to have him at the top. Horsewoman would follow behind, I like Raya. Radja is kinda scummy, but I can't really put my finger on why. I might be OMGUS scum reading them.
Volxen/Not Mafia I don't have a major read on right now.
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Post #346 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:40 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 331, Ahsoka wrote:Dkkoba and Clidd probably include 1 scum within them, but probably not both. Eh, I guess it's possible both. I feel like one scum at least was on me in those first 3, which leaves Gimli, and those 2, but Gimli has been super townie the past few pages.
No agenda, very genuine. I guess it's possible it's fakeable this early, but I'm confident enough to have him at the top. Horsewoman would follow behind, I like Raya. Radja is kinda scummy, but I can't really put my finger on why. I might be OMGUS scum reading them.
Volxen/Not Mafia I don't have a major read on right now.
I literally stated I thought there's 1 scum in you and Clidd.
I don't believe the wagon that pushed me earlier is ever all town.
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Post #356 (isolation #48) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:46 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 352, DkKoba wrote:i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.
Players can't do that here or I would destroy them as scum, though.
Scum players are probably just stronger here, because Day 1 I can fake anything. I hate saying it because it'll always have me to look scummier, but it's true.
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Post #357 (isolation #49) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:48 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 354, DkKoba wrote:
im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit, not some NAI garbage like a townslip. Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too).
In post 352, DkKoba wrote:i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.
In post 99, DkKoba wrote:gimli basically is approaching my slot in the worst faith possible, and anyone who is skeptical of me = towny.
thats how u can sum up their reading process.
this isnt how town approaches reads.
this is how scum discredits.
as soon as clidd pointed out that this is NAI for me > pivoted off.
this implies clidd is not aligned with gimli(like 50% sure, but gun to head would bet on not teammates rn)
clidd, as someone who plays at tables with myself in every game I play, I know that that is exactly what scum does in relation to my slot very often when they do not know me. Those that know me will more often attempt to pocket me as that's my weakness, or something in between if they're especially smart(pooky from coalition a few months ago comes to mind).
im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit, not some NAI garbage like a townslip. Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too). Basically, even if I were scum here, I would have posted nearly the same exact thing. But it could have been slightly different depending on partners. If you really care about sorting me i have games where I show that lines like this are NAI, just read my history lmfao. I won't ever push meta that says im outside my scumrange, but I will push meta that what you're pushing is fully NAI.
anyways self meta over -
gimli have you considered its RVS and that people who know eachother and have played with eachother are liklier to have implicit bias towards eachother? I tend to push people early who annoy me or who i dislike. It's easier and more natural for me. I don't tunnel them forever unless I genuinely scumread them. This is probably also true of raya wrt the lighter tone towards me - we've played together and i've played in a game she's modded. We're chill and don't wanna go at eachothers throats like that.
I will say the ashoka vote isn't bad, that entrance is pretty flimsy. I'd rather figure out if this is just playstyle > scum being unsure and playing aloof. but lets play with it VOTE: ashoka
im sorry but what was scum abt my vote LMFAO
I really don't care for the reasonings behind people's votes. Reasonings are easy to make up.
I'm not basing the scum read strictly on your posts.
I have had 4 people on me. At least 1 is scum, full stop.
Both Clidd and you have been trying to keep momentum on me, and discredit me, while Gimli turned everything around, and explained why instead he town read me, which I thought was townie.
I also can see you moving away after another scum member, Radja, joins, and then you trying to distance.
In post 352, DkKoba wrote:i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.
Players can't do that here or I would destroy them as scum, though.
Scum players are probably just stronger here, because Day 1 I can fake anything. I hate saying it because it'll always have me to look scummier, but it's true.
Looks like you have a lot to learn still.
i have a lot to learn still but im not wrong when i say ppl actively SCUMREAD townslips. like its kinda just like ??? sorry i cant be arsed to read the setup fully and remember it when i sign up for 4235 games in a month. i /in to a game and forget about it.
I have never seen anyone be faded for a fake town slip if they weren't already being pressured.
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Post #366 (isolation #54) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:53 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
If anything, I'm trying to slow the game down. Scum like to keep the game fast paced because it gives more of a frantic feeling, and townies make unsure votes in the midst of that.
You trying to "make something happen" is essentially ending the day, and I'm not sure if I want that right now, especially not from a slot I think has a more than average chance of flipping scum.
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Post #369 (isolation #55) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:54 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
In post 365, DkKoba wrote:ok ill be honest i said that bc im just annoyed ur calling me scum with them now considering my position on them right now. guess just wanna just show like "yeah fuck you im serious about this lim"
Why are you trying to act like scum can't be serious about a fade.
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Post #371 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:57 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
Someone said this game they think it's strong for scum not to bus in this game, and I thought that at first as well, but the more I thought about it, the inverse is actually decently true as well.
I thought about the List mechanic more, and if scum are bussed Day 1, it can be increasingly difficult moving forward for town.
Whether or not scum would do the inverse because it can get them town cred is the question, but I do feel like you fit that slot as scum.
No real reason for me to see why you can't be scum here, especially considering I feel you're trying to discredit me multiple times this game. You can be town, it's about a coin flip percentage for me right now, which is pretty high.
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Post #374 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:01 pm
Postby Ahsoka »
you have done some things I can see as townie, but not out of your scum range, I would imagine, I see a lot of scum motivated agenda stuff as well, which is most of the stuff I've posted on.
I will town case and scum case the same person because scum does townie things. They just do. They have to look townie, but pushing a scum agenda alongside that is necessary for scum, so having townie things doesn't make someone town 100%.