Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Mods told me off for using naughty words

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I can reveal that 3 of the following players are scum

DkKoba
clidd
Horsewoman
Ahsoka
Not_Mafia
Raya36
Your mum
volxen
RedFlavor
Radja

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VOTE: Radja

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Maybe other people just read the set-ups they're playing

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Radja is obvscum

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Just take my word for it

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At least make your gimmick account your main like me

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At least make your gimmick account your main like me

U got an alt where u srs play?

Shellyc

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Radja is still obvscum

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Good vote

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zzzzzz elim radja please

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Scum elim day 1 kinda breaks open this set-up for town so let's elim Radja please

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Someone hammer Radja

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This isn't how Maya Fey would play mafia

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Maybe this should be your avatar:

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Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

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What's GtH?

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Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

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A horsewoman is called a mare

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im off to work now and dont have my phone so wont be posting for at least 4 hours.

Have you considered using a Wendy's POS system to post?

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Koba gives me scumvibes sometimes but I agree with their reads so meh

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My vote right now would be on N_M, but it's a meh wagon to push.

no i disagree, n_m has come through with assured reads and nothing to back them. i know this is kinda his thing but it doesn't excuse the behavior

VOTE: not_mafia

Bad vote

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My vote right now would be on N_M, but it's a meh wagon to push.

no i disagree, n_m has come through with assured reads and nothing to back them. i know this is kinda his thing but it doesn't excuse the behavior

VOTE: not_mafia

Bad vote

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Why is a bad vote?

Bad vote

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Radja is scum

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^ We need more of this

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Hi Boonskiiiiies

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can we ask for an extended d1?

No thanks

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VOTE: lostego

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VOTE: Radja

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Hullo! Let's all have a great week.

I've spent some time working on the game while the thread was closed, and I believe my current leans are starting to near a solve. There are many premises I'm going to make to come to my current POE, and from then to my current most likely team combinations, and I hope you bare with me through it. I hope this post comes clean and helps town.

My first premise is that clidd is very likely to be town and someone I'm hardclearing through the rest of the game. He's been tirelessly solvey throughout, and now that volxen flipped we have a greater understanding of how clidd's treatment of the slot doesn't point to a scummy agenda. A post such as #310, that puts me, raya and volxen as top towns feels dangerous if he is scum because his top townleans are either all town or not scum with clidd, since raya isn't scum with clidd (I'll get to that in a bit). His handling of the volxen slot continues to be majorly interested in solving it rather than push for something easy, as #540 shows. Note the handle of the slot is the opposite of what raya initially suspected clidd of doing (setting up a push). Basically, if clidd is scum then he has no reason to continue voicing that volxen townread he had earlier, since only clidd thought volxen was towny and got pushed for it. Post #540 is too late into d1 for him to keep bringing up that point again if he is scum.

Of minor importance but still relevant are clidd's unlikely pairings with the POE. The one I investigated is his relationship with koba in thread. The clidd and koba interactions, starting at #447 makes them unlikely to be scum together, with posts such as #456 where clidd says koba's entire ISO is scummy, and I think #469 is too genuine and nuanced of a read to come from a fake svs interaction, calling koba 'super selfish if not scum'. the #474-81 follow up also makes them an unlikely pairing and I think koba's handle of clidd would give me the same impressions, like that moment koba stopped tunneling me to push clidd.

Related to my clidd locktown read is my raya locktown read. They're very likely at least not scum together, as raya's entire push on clidd came way too soon, strong and reasonable. Starting with #139 where raya says 'For all I know the reason you're potentially setting up a push on volxen instead of the other options you gave is because the other options include your partners'. Follows up with a vote on #207 for a very good reason (that weird 'villain' post clidd made to ahsoka) and all of her posting to clidd (216-18-21-22-31-34) is the most genuinely towny thought process anyone has made in this game. She is absolutely coming with the right perspective here, pushing someone she isn't scum with and who certainly doesn't look pushable for scum the way clidd played d1. That makes raya town almost always. In #612 raya's scumpool is composed of literally the two loudest players in the game (clidd and koba). She is moving from strong loud player to strong loud player, both unlikely to eat rope and never low hanging fruit. #727 has some cool takes.

Alright, now that these townleans are out of the way, we have our POE. It's fair to note that if I'm right and raya and clidd are town, then we only need to kill one scum to effectively win the game, as with 3 living town players scum will never reach parity. So given these leans I currently have,

I'm against using the doomcounter.

We can't afford wasting a flip and I'm unlikely to change my mind about this, at least given the current gamestate.

So now we have the POE of <infinity, koba, ahsoka, NM, amélie>. Find two towns and win the game. If we can't do that, then find interactions and leans between the players that make them unlikely enough to be scum together so we can remove them from possible scum team combinations, and that way we can find the best possible elim with the highest likelihood of hitting scum. This isn't gonna be as set in stone as my locktown reads. From the POE, interactions between these players could be faked and everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Having said that, I think I had some fair premises to come to my most likely scum teams and my lockscum read. The way NM played this game and given my solve just went there regardless of the hammer (which I'm satisfied not talking about any further as NM is probably scum and playing to his wincon) I feel very strongly that we have no other elimination to make. If he is town there's nothing I can do cause he never showed any signs of it.

Ahsoka

The ahsoka-koba interactions are actually weird and it's hard to pinpoint much about it that makes it unlikely to be svs theatre, at least at first. I feel that ahsoka is always trying to disengage with Koba in their discussion. #169 where ahsoka says they'll 'take the game out of rvs' seems a little detached from the thread as many AI things have definitely happened already. I'm not sure what to do with their interaction with koba early but it's weird. in #260 ahsoka is already calling koba town because 'they also saw radja being opportunistic'. This is a bit of a stretch as koba's description of why they voted radja doesn't imply anything in the sense of opportunism with the ahsoka vote. in #292 ahsoka is calling koba scum again. #331 is good though! And this will be something that permeates ahsoka's posting throughout d1. They come to the conclusion that there's at least one scum in their wagon between <gimly, koba and clidd>, clears me and then says koba and clidd probably contain one scum but not both. I feel this might actually point to ahsoka not being scum with Koba but it's kinda farfetched. The follow up is alright though. Their discussion from #334-351 where ahsoka goes 'it's you or clidd. what's your read on clidd?' point rather strongly to this not actually being scum theatre. So I'm fine removing ahsoka/koba teams for now.

#359 from ahsoka is really important. It at the very least points to a radja/ahsoka/koba being quite impossible. They're all scumreading and attacking each other here. I tend to like these ahsoka posts to koba quite a lot. I have the feeling ahsoka and radja are unlikely to be scum together because of ahsoka's thoughts when koba voted radja, and also because radja voted ahsoka without putting ahsoka on their leans or explaining the vote. I feel this is too incredibly detached of a vote to be on a scum partner that's getting heat. This isn't set in stone but I think ahsoka is unlikely to be both scum with koba and with radja. I do not think koba is unlikely to be scum with radja based off koba's posts though.

Horsewoman/Infinity

#287 followed by #288 by horsewoman is very interesting if she was somehow scum with Koba, meaning I think this somehow creates a separation between the two and makes them an unlikely team. I'm not going to read into the other stuff too much because I don't know if that entire thing didn't blow out of proportion precisely because they were scum together. #291 seems a little pushy for a svs as well. #293 doesn't contain a thought process as to why the radja readslist is bad so it doesn't quite look like bussing. I feel the amélie/infinity/koba is not too likely given the vibe of this post. also #502 might point to radja/infinity/NM being unlikely as well. These are weak-ish reads I'm making trying to get somewhere. #503 is literally pointing at a koba/NM interaction as possibly svs for a good reason so I'm fine writing off the koba/infinity/nm team.

I'm left with

ahsoka, NM, infinity
NM, infinity, amélie
NM, amélie, Koba

and NM is scum.

tl;dr

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What's WIM?

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Don't use MU terms

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Gimli of Radja should be eliminated

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Don't use MU terms

tf is the MS equivalent then.

Please consult this thread for guidance and advice on MU terminology

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Gimli might be even scummier than Radja, the vote on the player who was eliminated day 1 was terrible and all his posting is so tryhard

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You need a scum elim before using the list thing

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i dont question NM because this is how NM plays and is NAI for them to hammer there.

So you're just going to let it slide? There's a good chance NM is scum here and your interactions and posts so far D2 show no suspicion on that slot

I'm town

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What were they?

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I hammered cos I felt like it and Radja is obvscum

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I hammered cos I felt like it and Radja is obvscum

Why is Radja obvscum?

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85406&user_select[]=26121

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I should have been more communicative about my impression on Volxen/Lostego.

At least the flip must have helped to read my slot better, although it is not so personally suggestive to me.

Why are you making lostego's elimination about you?

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Or, if we aren't using it, I would like to eliminate between Amélie and NM.

Particularly, I think NM is being pushed a lot less than I would think of town!NM vs three scums and as nothing he said or did until now is suggestive enough to infer a specific alignment, the initial impression I described is the way I'm seeing the slot rn.

Radja/Amélie share the same color in the sense of apathy and I believe that the reads that Amélie shared are very easy to manufacture and do not satisfactorily indicate a desire to resolve the game.

Scum are keeping my around for LyLo

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She's scum

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I don’t know if that’s even physically possible

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Radja/Gimli/clidd

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Radja/Gimli/clidd

Carve this in stone

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I meant your catchup from today wasn't AI, amélie. I liked the one from d1, it was a breath of fresh air, and I was against your wagon, but I didn't say you were town.

This is scum-scum interaction

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I'm town

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Gimli is obvscum

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List bad

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Radja/Gimli/clidd

Carve this in stone

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Gimli and clidd are basically holding up a neon sign saying they are scum

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Because Infinity is scum.

It's Infinity + NM both scum in the list.

And Dk outside.

This is scum

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why is ashoka towm

She's solving and has been towny for a long time.

Not sure why you think she's scum.

Not sure how you stated anything alignment indicative but ok buddy!

"Been towny"
Sounds arbitrary and made up

clidd is actually being pretty towny around koba right now.

u would have voted already if u didn't have doubts unless ur scum waiting to blitz

Gimli and clidd are basically holding up a neon sign saying they are scum

Because Infinity is scum.

It's Infinity + NM both scum in the list.

And Dk outside.

This is scum

Okay scum

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VOTE: clamydia

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VOTE: Gimli