Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

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YOU'RE THINKING OF THE WRONG PLAYER

I CAN'T RN

THAT WAS IMAGINE YOU GOOFBALL

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HIRAKI TOWNREAD WISDOM ALL GAME

IMAGINE IS THE ONE WHO 1V1'D WISDOM THEN SWITCHED TO YOU DURING THE 1V1

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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exhale

To directly comment on that

At first I thought it towny because it was so out there, surely scum would be too self conscious

But on a review I thought it was a little bit ham-fisted, seemed a little forced and neither Ali nor Wisdom were big fans. Imagine's elaboration afterwards made a bit more sense tho

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We should kill worstie or imagine but I'm too indecisive

VOTE: worst

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I lean worst because I think Bingle is town whereas worst could be scum with SS

TBH i dont know if ill ever budge from Bingle/House town so thats sort of why im just voting and being through with it

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SS I think individually is less scum but also has less chances of being 8-ball

Worst or imagine *might* be town 8-balls, technically, and if they are and we eliminate them i will BLOW UP

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unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)
2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

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I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive, you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

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i mean imaginality wagon is an easy win for worst/SS

UNVOTE:

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But i will grant you that imagine is probably an unlikely 8-ball, i think

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Last time we said that it didnt go well

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unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

I mean if he's town and u kno dat

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imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

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You're the one saying he's a viable mislim and voting him.

*shrug*

he can only be nightkilled if he's town

Obviously he can't be nightkilled as scum

i am saying why they wouldnt NK worst

im not sayin he's town

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imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

i'd counter that he doesn't really have many places to go atm. lol. the plist is small.

that said i'm also reasonably confident it's just {imagi,ss} so i'm definitely tunnelling.

Lol it's true that there's like no one else

you figured out how to shake all ur stuff up he probably *could* do the same

Maybe he just doesnt want to bus partner SS though, it's possible.

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i wish i were scum with worstie

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I feel stupid every time i vote imagine or worst

and there's no way SS is 8-ball probably maybe cause literally no one other than me ever votes him

so ??????????? maybe????? i should vote him first??? maybe that means one of imagine or worst is town

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there's no way SS is the 8-ball right literally no one ever suggests him but me for some reason

Seriously I'm gonna be fuming if he's both town and 8-ball

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I don't think im really feeling it today

Every time I try to scumhunt within worstie/imagine/SS i feel like I go nowhere and idk if that'll change today at least

it just feels like whoever i vote is going to end up being town and/or 8-ball

I don't think SS will be the 8-ball but i can conceivably believe worstie or imagine are town and 8-ball with the right team

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Worst who predicted the Bingle wagon wouldnt go through, i guess? I dont know

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Wasn't he fairly townread yesterday though?

ya well taly was super townread yesterday and we saw how that went

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who is more 8 ball imagi ior ss

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I tend to agree but i didnt think Wisdom was 8-ball so

If anything SS is less likely since you and SS want imagi killed but no one ever wants SS killed

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By... who...

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No im with u with the general feeling of being over this game rn

But to answer your question, imagine and worst are presumably TvS or SvS

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Those of you who see me and SS as a possible pairing: why didn't he join in on my Bingle push today? Makes no sense to have just one of us going after him.

If he's scum with anyone it's Bingle or with the worst.
Oh and actually if the worst decided to flip his read on Bingle during the night that would explain the 'a few days ago' contradiction and be good tactically (they can push for limming a less obvious 8-ball target).

i mean wouldn't that be obvious it's all wifom innit it

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i really just said "innit it"

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Probably voting imagi or SS

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I feel really useless for not being able to identify the town in you three haha

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I'm pretty much ready to flip SS and eat a fat L if scum actually saw it coming

It seems like most everyone is done weighing in

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thoroughly enjoyed that imagi lmfao

I don't like it when it's the MT show

Actually, that's not true, I do like that but only when I know what I am doing and this is not one of those games

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I don't think I'm gonna reread again I am kinda done trying to figure it out with the information I have

Worst and imagine have done more to give me pause, SS isn't here at deadline, I'm not entirely sure he has an opinion on who is scum, which I would kinda sorta expect.

In his opinion imagineality is highly scum and worstie is highly town but like, would you even know that had I not just told you?

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I'm kinda psyching myself out into thinking worstie/imagine are just playing a huge mind trick on me by not touching SS all day and predicted I would go there

Which seems waayyyy less likely than SS just being a town or scum who isn't 8-ball

And leaving imagi/worstie as TvS

At the moment I'm kinda sort of favouring imagi/SS being the scumteam. Maybe Wisdom was onto something with worst and maybe worst really is bleeding town. My points for imagi town could definitely be stronger.

I can't bring myself to trust worst for some reason, dunno why

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I simultaneously dont think SS is ever 8-ball but am dreading the flip heavily since I really don't feel confident at all

It's my choice, howwww can he be 8-ballllllllllllllll why would scum gamble thatttttttttttttt

eeeeengnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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It's true, SS is like "Bingle is probably the 8-ball oOoOOoooO" but isn't exactly helping us win, he's not solving. He has Bingle and imagine as his team i think.....

pedit: Whatever feels right!

If the team is imagine/SS i dont think either of them are 8-ball so i guess it doesnt really matter if that is in fact right

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Bingle favours imagine by a slim margin, House voted imagine over you last. (I checked because I sort of want it to be a group decision from town but i dont know if i really have the time or will to ask for help at this point)

So worstie/Bingle/House/I are all okay with an imagine elim

To be honest we're all okay with an SS elim too but imagine is probably a slight favourite

Ejhjnn imagine's Bingle/worst tinfoil is starting to seem a little strained. Maybe it's as simple as SS/imagine losing steam

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also if I replace into this position as scum I probably make myself the 8-ball and tell my partner to not bus me, and then when I inevitably flip everyone will go oh he must have been bussed.

unless my partner is in a good enough spot to just force through a mis-exe, but I'm not sure if anyone here besides maybe MT would qualify for that.

And if you aren't the 8-ball?

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If you did in fact give the 8-ball to worst or Bingle and you plan on capitalizing on that 1v1, what would you gameplan be. Would you still tell your partner not to bus you, I suppose is what I'm asking.

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It's true, SS is like "Bingle is probably the 8-ball oOoOOoooO" but isn't exactly helping us win, he's not solving. He has Bingle and imagine as his team i think.....

pedit: Whatever feels right!

If the team is imagine/SS i dont think either of them are 8-ball so i guess it doesnt really matter if that is in fact right

last time i scum'd against u my wincon was picking the losing side of you vs. pooky and then letting the winner get dunked on the following phase. that's exactly what happened.

in this phase i'm consistently picking the right battles to fight, which is reminiscent of the kind of way i react to gamestates as scum. it just so happens that this time i'm doing it *after* it's already too late for me to have done so to win clout as scum which is 1) more superficially scummy, and 2) not actually reminiscent of the way i approach the game as scum!!

shudder shudder

that game

You're right that the clout window has closed. Got to go, more later I guess I'm sort of cowarding out trying to get someone to make the vote for me cause i feel wrong no matter what

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Bahahahaha

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VOTE: SS

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Why would worst need to shade you at this point

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would you join me on imagine house

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not sure i would, kinda want SS

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probably talking about this

would you join me on imagine house

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Soooooo wanna do SS

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I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

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Both SS and imagine posted within 10 min of each other and have had about an hour to quickhammer at this point

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I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

You're testing if worstie gets quickhammered though no?

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No, if SS/imagine are the team they don't quickhammer worst if worst isn't town!8-ball

and if Worst was town!8-ball we would have lost

But yes you have confirmed it's not worst!town 8 ball in most worlds

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There's no way to guarantee a team since this is only Xylo if we eliminate 8-ball. Quickhammer test isn't really as informative as you believe

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I agree it's highly likely to be SS + worstie or imagine

Thats why I'm voting SS

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I personally think worst edges out imagine, imagine fits more scum running out of steam in this phase a little bit. I think they're bussing SS. I also am giving Wisdom's reads some weight.

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I feel like you're missing the point House.

If there's a quickhammer, we lose. A quickhammer only happens if worst is a town 8!ball and you/bingle are town. A quickhammer didn't happen. So, that means your team is possible but not confirmed.

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we need every townie to agree, so like. if i'm run up today then i'm run up, so be it. don't hammer test multiple people, please. that just dramatically increases the probability of wagoning the 8-ball and getting quickhammered into the L.

Exactly, there is no reason to do this. We should pick SS or worst or imagine and do it.

I personally want to do SS or imagine. You want SS or worst. We can win this

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If worst is town thank god scum didn't 8-ball him, that would have been really tilting

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House you can do that after we kill SS no? I will be very receptive to your argument believe me, I think it could be either imagine or worstie.

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Also we can kill both imagine and worst for free after killing SS anyway

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I'm not voting imaginality

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Do you think worst/imagineality is more likely than worst/SS?

Otherwise we should be killing SS

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Hey you know what

Worst isn't the 8-ball

Fine, I'll eliminate worst if we have to. We can't lose.

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I'm not voting imaginality

Today? Or ever?

Like, at this current moment.

So I don't care if imagine is town or not right now I care about you

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I'm not voting imaginality

Why does worst not vote S_S here?

Because regardless of who dies, scum loses a member.

No, because if the team is Bingle/imagine, voting SS loses.

It's a fringe case, but yeah. Worst's number one pick is imaginality. It make sense from a town PoV, it's NAI

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So I don't care if imagine is town or not right now I care about you

Under what circumstances do I replace in and play like this?

Define "this"

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I feel like putting on a facade of reads without actually acting on them in any way is kind of scummy, yeah. Like, do you care about getting imagineality killed over tw? I honestly didn't even realize it til earlier today when I checked.

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Also I don't see why you play that way as town either so I can't exactly award credit for that

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I'm fine with you banking on imagineality town House but I'm more comfortable killing SS than worstie.

But if you're absolutely sure, I will switch, because we now know worstie isn't 8-ball, at least.

If you really believe SS is scum though, killing SS first leaves dark horse bingle alive in the end game I believe.

Kill town worst -> kill scum SS -> scum nightkills me or you -> Bingle/imagine/meoryou Xylo

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Imaginality isn't at E-1; it makes no difference whether I vote him now or not, except that it might allow a quickhammer.

It's not just like voting though, you have no presence or attempt to sway, no sense of urgency. Like from your PoV the worst wagon should have been a grave mistake and I deadass didn't notice.

But yes, I am aware your play tends to not be push-focused and is pretty observational.

If anything, that would help you towards null but certainly not town since this is how you tend to play always.

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It's almost liike SS is scum

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But if you're absolutely sure, I will switch, because we now know worstie isn't 8-ball, at least.

I kinda want you to stay there, personally.

Keep both wagons in the danger zone.

We want one in the danger zone not two, you know. That's unnecessary risk. There is no reason to be doing this. If someone other than you were to vote SS i would unvote probably as a snap reaction. The ball is in your court rn

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It's not just like voting though, you have no presence or attempt to sway, no sense of urgency.

...but like, you've played with me before, right?

So at best, NAI?

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House your form of information requires us to gamble the game for no reasonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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If anything, that would help you towards null but certainly not town since this is how you tend to play always.

well I mean I listed a bunch of things that aren't that that seem like they'd just be putting up a neon "kill me!" sign as scum.

which may be, but my argument is kinda that if I'm scum I'm very likely to be the 8-ball playing this way. because I'm playing in a way that I would expect to get me killed. and why do I play that way when I could play a different way? do you not think that I would have received less pressure if I hadn't done some of the things I mentioned?

why are you playing in a way that you expect to get killed for as any alignment??

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Refusing to share reads initially but actually having extremely strong ones, defending tw and scumreading imaginality but not actually trying to kill him, refusing to compromise or change my reads at all during the course of the day

The first could be a "I have a secret plan/strategy" type thing, mixed in with WIFOM of "if im scum I know this look bad so i don't do it"

the second, sure, NAI

and the third I still find scummy even if you're aware it's scummy. There are five of us, you dont have a lot of wiggle room especially if your partner boxes you to play a certain way with their reads

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why are you playing in a way that you expect to get killed for as any alignment??

Because I have some degree of faith in the people here to be able to discern my alignment at a better than random rate.

What are you gaining from hiding reads, not forcing any will on the game, not reevaluting, etc. Those are all things that are much more beneficial to scum, no?

and the third I still find scummy even if you're aware it's scummy.

it's demonstrably not though, unless I'm scum with tw. Because if I switched to tw, then wouldn't I have a lot lower chance of dying?

TW aka your supposed strongest TR?

The first could be a "I have a secret plan/strategy" type thing, mixed in with WIFOM of "if im scum I know this look bad so i don't do it"

The plan wasn't secret though. And I don't know what you mean by that "type of thing" anyway, it's not like scum pretend to have a secret plan for towncred when they really don't.

As for the WIFOM, well how's that working out for me?

I don't know how to explain it lol. Sometimes I see scum be mysterious or otherwise hide stuff because they have a secret strategy -- just to seem towny. You're doing something that seems scummy for an ulterior motive (hiding reads so scum doesnt game you). I feel you probably don't come to the conclusion that hiding your reads is a good idea as town -- mechanically it makes no sense

Also, how were you supposed to know how it would work out?

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Right, and that raises the question of what was our plan to win today? 8-ball imagine and hope that people just magically reverse their reads on him?

8-ball Bingle and literally just have me have an incorrect read? I was considering Bingle start of day. Worst was. Imagine was (obviously). House could have.

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About ready to vote worst just to avoid something stupid happening even if I'm not really totally convinced. He could be scum, sure. I think he's probably scum with SS in that case, but i digress

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8-ball Bingle and literally just have me have an incorrect read?

And then do my best to convince everyone that Bingle is 8-ball. What a genius plan.

If Bingle is scum it doesn't exactly matter does it?

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Plus, WIFOM. Maybe we would have expected scum to not 8-ball the obvious target again.

It was Xylo. I don't see why you don't hope for 1 town to have a misread and get an easy win

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If Bingle is scum it doesn't exactly matter does it?

I mean, that was in reference to a hypothetical where the team was me/tw. But sure it still matters, if we kill a scum 8-ball we remain in potentially-mylo.

No, I mean if you argue Bingle is scum, then it doesnt matter if Bingle is 8-ball.

Imagine was positioned to push Bingle today, so was worst. You were laying back and saying "no dont do it" a little but as you are aware it wouldn't have had an effect, then you could quick hammer

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I don't see why you don't hope for 1 town to have a misread and get an easy win

I agree, that is probably what we would do, so why didn't we do it?

You........ did? I don't understand, I am accusing you of doing just that

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I am saying you 8-balled bingle and had worst or imagine push him while you sat back and waited to pounce

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You did push Bingle

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You were laying back and saying "no dont do it" a little but as you are aware it wouldn't have had an effect, then you could quick hammer

...it did have an effect, though. tw unvoted Bingle literally the post after I pointed it out.

So your partner is imagine like I have been guessing then?? You're theatreing? You were hoping momentum would come back later? I don't know?

Worst townreading bingle was a huge plot twist for me.

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Why is the game blowing up

now

?????

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If my partner's imagine, why am I so resistant to killing tw?

I don't know, does that really matter? I'm sure you'd vote tw over yourself, and if it was between tw and imagine, then you're bussing.

Either way, it's not like you would win automatically if you suspected tw if you 8-balled bingle

Also you would have won automatically without suspecting tw had tw been 8-ball, which doesnt matter now but yeah

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Also if imagine is my partner then the 8-ball is

definitely

me, so you should go for him first.

This isn't even WIFOM, it's just obvious.

House doesn't want to kill imagine. I also think you could be with worst or imagine. I also don't think you're 8-ball

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I'm sure you'd vote tw over yourself

No, why the hell would I do that? That's just a gamethrow if he's town.

What?? Why would you vote yourself if you and tw are the only two options left?

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Any townie in your spot wouldn't vote for themself, no..? Maybe you would in order to avoid 8-ball, but then you could like, at least quickhammer worst for the free extra kill if you had to.

My point is that townreading TW doesn't hurt scum!you like you claim

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S_S, you should just vote ducky.

Promise I won't unvote if you do.

Why would he do that when TW is his proclaimed top townread??

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WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOING

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I'm glad

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I'm calling it right now, if I vote TW then SS will quickhammer immediately since he knows he is next

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I'm glad

Your scum game is so awesome. It's a thrill to watch.

<<<Insert massive rolling eyes>>>

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Who am I with, worstie then?

pedit: What

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In the context of this game?

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Also, untrue, I despise the alignment.

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Oh. Well I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

Also, are you going to elim SS with me or shall I switch to worst? I'll seriously let you decide but I do feel like SS quickhammers it.

Worst isn't 8-ball though we already would have lost. Unless Bingle is scum. But whatever

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We are the deciding votes. No one else wants to vote because that opens up the game for more scumteams to possibly win (however bizarre those teams may be).

It's up to us

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Let's see, if everyone voted we'd be at....

Something_Smart [2] << imagineality, Morning Tweet
the worst [2] << Bingle, House
imagineality [2] << the worst, Something_Smart

What a nightmare lol

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That is pretty amusing though in its own way

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No, we are. Worst and Something_Smart are intentionally not switching their votes because they are waiting on us.

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S_S doesn't hammer his buddy, here.

What other choice would he have?

He also definitely hammers if worst is town.

I'm calling it right now, if I vote TW then SS will quickhammer immediately since he knows he is next

Only one way to find out!

*grumble grumble*

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I mean SS can also not vote worst if TW is his buddy but like then it'd be obvious anyway cause we'd just make imagine help?

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It's already obvious, lol.

Then what are you trying to learn right now by seeing if SS will vote his top townread preemptively? (he wont)

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HE'S GOING TO SAY IMAGINE

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BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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SS is not going to push Bingle or you after worst flips red in that scenario, he'd push imagine who is his top scumread

Bingle has anti associatives and you're obviously not scum

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I hope House is learning something at least

pedit: In addition to House's play i was already fairly dead set on Ali town

Wait is House scum trolling us rn? House you wouldn't do that would you

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SS I'm going to vote worst and you're either going to quickhammer or not, you ready

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Only way this loses instantly is if worst is 8!ball and SS is scum with exactly Bingle or House. Right? Right

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VOTE: Worstie

Your move, then

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UNVOTE:

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I'm glad you spent so much time arguing with me SS, I appreciate that

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Not sure if sarcastic, but I genuinely am. Sorry this is what it took to find my wim, but it was.

Nah not sarcastic

I wouldn't have done that earlier today but because we talked I started to get the creeping feeling you really didn't have an intent to kill worst at all

Are you cleared I guess not, but that was a free kill for you regardless.

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S_S not voting ducky doesn't disprove my solve in any way.

I don't, what was your solve

Oh yeah. That one. I know. That was more for me than you. For an imagine/SS scumteam, SS just passed up a free kill and might get nothing for it

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I know lol I just forgot

I have been agreeing with you that it's SS + imagine or ducky for hours now too

SS + imagine now seeming less likely.

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If I squint slightly I still see worst/imagine as a team too. It's possible.

But your solve is also valid.

I'm ready to toss out worst in any case due to both that, and the fact he almost cannot ever be town 8-ball by this point for any team combo

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This game is throwing me for a loop in a way unlike so many other games. I hate that scum is trying (no i don't, lol it's been great)

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I'd have to be pretty masochistic scum to not just push Bingle today for the free win.

Or at the very least, not take top poster by almost double. Sorry about that by the way, I got way too carried away this time.

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I'd have to be pretty masochistic scum to not just push Bingle today for the free win.

The same could be said off anyone, could it not?

True, I think I'd probably have stood a decent chance of getting it through earlier today just as other scum did. Especially if my partner did the same. That'd have been one extra voice and I dont know if Bingle could have survived that

Either way I wouldn't be as loud as this. Regardless of whether or not i get good results as scum I don't actually enjoy playing it due to the stress it brings me especially late game

Definitely time to go to bed. Tomorrow's the last day to punch a wagon through.

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Open question: If we're misreading Bingle, who's his partner

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Imagine who wants TW dead and suspects a TW/Bingle team (for some reason), or SS who hard TRs worstie and has a imagine/Bingle team

Well we at least know it's not Bingle/SS with TW 8 ball

I think the only team that can still have TW as town!8ball is Bingle/imagine. Bingle voted TW first, followed by imagine (they have both voted TW almost exclusively today) -- they're going for the win if so

On page 34 imagine was actually positioned well to vote either TW or Bingle

871 imagine has Bingle as top scum but also top 8-ball

900 by Bingle is a stretch

937 by imagine.. he's the one who started the suspicion on worst for being inconsistent with the timing of his Bingle read

958 by imagine, he logics out a way to vote TW over Bingle

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I was online and in this game when you put the worst on X-1 - if he was 8-ball and I'm scum, I would have hammered and won the game then.

Why didn't you say something?

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Hm, it does seem like you were in the middle of writing a post though.

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Have we been wrong about Bingle this whole time.....?

Everything almost starts to make sense, does it? Who had a chance of suspecting TW yesterday? I can't see on a quick skim, but are we wrong assuming that scum!Bingle thinks he loses the 1v1 today? What if worst is actually the 8-ball and imagine played both sides of Bingle and TW so they come out on top either way? Alternatively, Bingle could still be the 8-ball and TW -> SS or whoever wins. Or they bus 8!ball bingle the next day and force an imagine/SS Xylo.

What if the worst really is town, and SS (and Wisdom) really are town who are right about that. Wouldn't that be something?

Is Bingle not actually town? Duck was really scummy in the previous phases because he wasn't bothering to play, but he changed it up recently and Bingle hasn't shown any signs of reconsideration or worry that he's wrong -- he is 100% sure ducky is scum. Why?

Is there something disproving this?

pedit: Likely Bingle still being the 8-ball in that case assuming imagine really did see the X-1.

I'm just thinking about why I cannot seem to figure out SS/imagine/worst, at all. We're probably not going to instantly lose voting worst, but Bingle/imagine will win if we ever eliminate SS, which is a huge pain.

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You and SS aren't the 8-ball

Also worst/Bingle isn't the team and if they were, they'd have 8-balled inside their 1v1, surely?

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Are we having a moment right now worst and SS?

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I'll definitely grant you that

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If worstie is town, then we go to tomorrow with the remaining players. If we eliminate SS, we then lose if the team is Bingle/imagine

Additionally, if we do eliminate imagine, then we lose after eliminating SS in the next Xylo. That's what my point was.

I'll review worstie and Bingle's interactions. Their sort of mutual refusal to engage with each other throughout the game did feel less than partnery to me, I suppose.

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I think if worst is scum the Bingle wagon was a lost cause regardless so it doesnt really point to them being teamed. It's not like worst saved Bingle by doing that

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I suppose my question is, in a worst/Bingle world, why does worst evaluate from Bingle to you? What is the specific reason he chooses to do that makes that world more likely to you? It just seems like a smart move by ducky!scum in general to me, at best.

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VOTE: imagine

crosses

fingers

wing claws

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believe what

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that im crossing my wings?

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ur killin me house

.........awoo..................................

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i'm feasibly the worst scum player alive right now

I'm not actually familiar with most of your scumgames but it's possible. I'm good at some things at scum but bad at many many others.

Either way unless I'm being flashwagoned in the next 12 hours this isn't terribly pertinent

Would you vote imagine with me House or you staying?

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If House doesn't want to vote imagine we can do worstie yes

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MT I think you're over thinking things.

mayybeeee

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Alright ducky

sniff

So... is it you (you can be honest with me)

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they're knocking it out of the park right now yea

Why did i phrase it like that lol

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i told ya, i dont scumslip as scum but i cant help myself as town. i wasnt lyin

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lul i know but i just mean it's incessant how often i manage to do that

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and me neither, me neither

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i hope you're lying

(╯︵╰,)

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>﹏<

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That's fair but you haven't exactly given off the feeling you're about to budge on imagine

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This game is going to enter an entirely new stage of hell if worstie is town

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i dont really feel like reviewing again but in my current interpretation i disagree

just not strongly enough to care that much

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ill miss u either way worsty

I might pass out before voting so idk might in a min

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VOTE: worsty

(ﾉ︵･､)

<3

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ducky i'm sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I ran out of steam to try and convince and i wasnt sure enough

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Everyone should be aware of this but if town votes for town, it's game over due to it being Xylo even if that player isn't 8-ball

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House unvote

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House unvote

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House unvote

It's imagineality + bingle

or imaginality + SS

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If you don't unvote I have to play as if you're scum since we lose if you're not 50% of the time so

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House I echo the thoughts that your theory was vague and very mysterious, despite how i have been reading the whole time

You never explained why imagine is town (he's not)

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House unvote

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I literally just said we lose if town votes town why would you vote within the first 2 posts

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Also Bingle being on V/LA is a pretty compelling ass reason so could you unvote so we can figure out imagine's partner first

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House unvote

Honestly screw this game if imagine and SS come in and quickhammer

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House better be scum lol

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Well, that or it's imagine/Bingle and House lucked out

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Well I've gotta go

For the record in case it's game over, I was thinking 65% imagineality/SS and 35% imagineality/Bingle

Was planning on using today to sus that out. If we kill imagineality I will get nightkilled so kind of wanted to get the partner down. Guess we're speedrunning instead though

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Even if you're scum Bingle this is really enraging for me lol

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If you're town that's bullshit and we prolly maybe would have won cause I sort of reversed my reversal on you/ss during the nightphase

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wulf

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Notice how SS and imagine still havent come online

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Wdym

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If the team is ss imagine we've already lost and are just waiting for them to coordinate quickhammer

I am no longer playing this game as a result since I may have already lost and itd be pointless. Thanks for that

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On the other hand if its bingle/imagine then we've won by complete
luck and I still dont get to play the game

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You were demoralized by being wrong repeatedly, I'm demoralized by getting this phase decided for me

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ok

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better hope so lol

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Yes it is gamethrowing if Bingle is town

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He never called you probable scum

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You're scum in 2 out of 3 worlds but you shut him up before we got to talk about it and actually like, figure out reads

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From my perspective it's particularly egregious because you're misreading imagineality so we lose 100% of the time

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He never called you probable scum

2 out of 3 worlds.

66% chance.

Can you math?

Not everyone has equal chances being scum.

You think you SS and imagine are all equally scummy this far into the game? Really?

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Bingle asked me which of those worlds I would throw out. He never said he thought everyone was equally scum. Why would Bingle have no reads lol

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I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

House, can you talk to me about this read?

Your imagineality read gets asked about CONSTANTLY

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You wanted me to badger you more?

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He never called you probable scum

2 out of 3 worlds.

66% chance.

Can you math?

Not everyone has equal chances being scum.

You think you SS and imagine are all equally scummy this far into the game? Really?

FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE

Fuck. Do i need to put it in blinking text?

EVERYONE IS NOT EQUALLY SCUM FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE

HOUSE

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

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Have you ever heard of reads? You cut us off before we began talking about them

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Only once, today.

I wonder what my response was to that.

"lol ur scum"?

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I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

House, can you talk to me about this read?

Not really.

I was invested in my theory.

"Not really"

Oh thanks that clears things up

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I am quite glad that you're the one deciding the outcome of the game

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You really just said "You don't know why I townread imagine cause you never asked" then pointed me to a post of yours where you refuse to explain it. You're unbelievable lol

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Your failure to understand why voting immediately in Xylo is upsetting to me boggles my mind. Whether we win or lose I don't get to play. And I favour the loss by a little bit so it's even more annoying.

pedit: To add insult to injury, your theory has been disproven yet you're still clinging to it rather than letting me play the damn game. Nice dude

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Only once, today.

I wonder what my response was to that.

House, can you talk to me about this read?

Not really.

I was invested in my theory.

"Not really"

Oh thanks that clears things up

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I said you don't know how I READ him, not why I TOWNREAD him.

Derp.

So are you going to explain it or continue acting like I'm a moron?

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Your failure to understand why voting immediately in Xylo is upsetting to me boggles my mind. Whether we win or lose I don't get to play. And I favour the loss by a little bit so it's even more annoying.

pedit: To add insult to injury, your theory has been disproven yet you're still clinging to it rather than letting me play the damn game. Nice dude

No, I'm not. Obviously.

You're just found your damnedest to twist what I'm actually saying.

Tell me how you thinking worst/bingle are scum has anything to do with anything about why you should insta vote Bingle in this Xylo

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YOU ARE THE ONE WHO INSTA VOTED IN XYLO

IT IS ON YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY

I AM ALLOWED TO BE UPSET THAT YOU REMOVED MY VOTE FROM MATTERING THIS GAME

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No, it doesn't. If imagine/SS are scum, it's game over.

If Bingle is scum, that confirms imagine/SS is not the team, we kill Bingle

Either way, my contribution does not matter anymore.

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And you're saying it's my fault that I'm upset, just to make things even worse. And you use me being upset as reason to not explain yourself. That is seriously effed up.

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I don't have to be important but I hate it when one townie decides their reads are so much better than everyone else's that they're just going to say "To hell with everyone else, let me pick".

Especially after you were wrong on worst. We should have all played this phase out and actually gotten decent reads. Even if Bingle is scum and somehow 8-ball (i think imagine is 8-ball), and somehow you get NKed, then I'd still be upset cause you robbed us of this phase anyway. And you can't even tell why it's a frustrating play.

And it's my fault for being frustrated. Come on, dude.

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Since you want to get pissy with ME when YOU are the one that popped off with attitude in the FIRST place, NO.

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"Putting words in my mouth" my ass dude.

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If what I say is true, there is no tomorrow, actually