In post 1601, VP Baltar wrote:Cool, I'm scum ari. Let's lim prism and you can make more shouty noises tomorrow.
Ari is currently voting me
Yeah. Hoping by telling ari to stop shouting nomsense and rally votes we can move the game forward, but that is like asking Ronald Mcdonald to take down the fashion statement 10 notches.
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In post 1380, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not a big fan deciding D1 lims as hard consensus that way because they rarely seem to be correct.
have you ever had a single game where you actually used this line of reasonign
All the time? That's why I always push dueling wagons D1. Then there is no consensus read and people must pick a side. If everyone agrees D1, you know some shut is probably not right.
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In post 1251, fireisredsir wrote:i think a town vp would be partner reading me with prism here. he has everyone as a townread except me, prism, shuichi, and im apparently pocketing shuichi. i haven't really engaged with prism much or talked about her, and when he poked about it i gave a pretty noncommittal answer. but he let that go, which i found strange
maybe he hasn't commented on that explicitly bc he knows prism would object to that idea
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In post 1397, fireisredsir wrote:i would prefer there not be a lim on prism, enchant, ari, shuichi. could be scum in there, but i don't want it today. probably would lean away from skitter at this point. really would like vp and i think it's doable. not sure on dwlee and datisi.
You [Prism, not fire] can't just be like "Yea this group of four could have scum but let's not lim there" in a 9p with 2 scum
bruh
also this whole time I thought this post was referencing my pool+the vote on me not the fire pool in the quote welp
Why would you think this was referencing you?
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Post #1705 (isolation #220) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:48 pm
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I cannot wait for dats to weigh in on this. There is zero town reason for suichi to out this but to cause drama. Possible he was worried about prism going down here. I even told him in the hood to just go after me if he thought I was scum. No reason to dump the hood
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Post #1767 (isolation #221) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:59 pm
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In post 1725, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Baltar
Idk why keeping a 3p hood secret would ever be a good idea and his outrage about it is bothersome
Because it guarantees we lim in the hood and first mover has the advantage to not be the lim. This is literally what just happened in the last game with Nero outing the hood except he was dumb enough to be town and still do it.
This is an intentional play possibly and it fucks the hood's usefulness just as datisi and I were starting to vibe in there. I will probably get flipped today, and then scum!suichi can say 'oh gee, maybe it is datisi' and then 'I guess the hood was all town!'
I could have outted the hood earlier when I was catching votes. Even talked about how I didn't want to do it when fire was asking how my datisi read developed. And suichi's response is to do it in thread to smear me? He could have just voted me. Nah, seems purposeful.
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Post #1771 (isolation #223) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:05 pm
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In post 1769, fireisredsir wrote:if shuichi was widely townread over you and datisi, i could potentially be paranoid of him going for a play where he outs the hood to chain lim you and datisi. but i don't think thats how it goes down, p sure more he's higher in most people's poe than datisi is. so it just seems like a losing play for him as scum
This is a micro game. How many mislims you think scum need to win this?
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In post 1769, fireisredsir wrote:if shuichi was widely townread over you and datisi, i could potentially be paranoid of him going for a play where he outs the hood to chain lim you and datisi. but i don't think thats how it goes down, p sure more he's higher in most people's poe than datisi is. so it just seems like a losing play for him as scum
This is a micro game. How many mislims you think scum need to win this?
do you think Prism is Mafia?
My vote is there, yeah?
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Post #1789 (isolation #229) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:21 pm
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Oh I see what happened. This afternoon in the hood datisi made a joke about Suichi being meme scum in the hood, and I made a joke about how that's actually likely and he strikes out in main thread. Cool. Cool cool.
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In post 1769, fireisredsir wrote:if shuichi was widely townread over you and datisi, i could potentially be paranoid of him going for a play where he outs the hood to chain lim you and datisi. but i don't think thats how it goes down, p sure more he's higher in most people's poe than datisi is. so it just seems like a losing play for him as scum
This is a micro game. How many mislims you think scum need to win this?
do you think Prism is Mafia?
My vote is there, yeah?
so you think prism, fire and shui r all mafia?
I do think all the scum is most likely in that PoE, yes. That's been clearly my stance for awhile now.
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Must? Idk, that's some outguessing the mod shit. Possible or likely? Definitely. Suichi and I have both made it known we think it could be the other person. Like I said, I think suichi didn't like that datisi and I were vibing and tried to make a preemptive play possibly.
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Post #1805 (isolation #235) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:01 pm
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In post 1802, Aristeia wrote:you were probably going to get flipped even if he didn't reveal because a lot of people scumread you and knowing that this is a carbon copy of the last setup seems like something important to know.
This doesn't make any sense. So I'm going to get flipped anyway, and he thinks I'm scum, so wouldn't that just make the hood more powerful if town!suichi then has a masonry essentially? Unless he thought I was scum with datisi, which he apparently does not.
And knowing about the setup right now changes what? This was something we already talked about in the hood, so Datisi was aware. Clearly he is not using this information to alter the direction of the thread.
None of this explains why out the hood now.
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Post #1806 (isolation #236) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:03 pm
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In post 1803, Aristeia wrote:and a lot of the reasoning for why he wants to flip you have to do with inconsistencies in your play between hood and thread and his case lays out why you are probably trying to pocket Datisi in the hood.
I will respond to his case in detail tomorrow. If a lot of his case relies on me being more transparent in the hood than I am in thread, that's not really a good case.
As far as pocketing, you of all people should know town!datisi inherently doesn't trust me. That's a play that is unlikely to ever succeed because if I pushed datisi to town read me, he'd do the exact opposite. I don't think I could legitimately pocket datisi.
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For me, it's because Datisi and I have been having some good back and forths about the game recently and we are being pretty clearly transparent with each other. Datisi is also exhibiting his usual paranoia in the hood PT in a pretty real way.
I don't know suichi's reasons for the town read of datisi. I feel like he hasn't really expressed much if any suspicion about him in the PT all game.
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In post 1806, VP Baltar wrote:As far as pocketing, you of all people should know town!datisi inherently doesn't trust me. That's a play that is unlikely to ever succeed because if I pushed datisi to town read me, he'd do the exact opposite. I don't think I could legitimately pocket datisi.
I literally just spent 2 hours re-reading guardians
where you got datisi to trust you.
uh was your takeaway that datisi was being pocketed by me or would have been that game? imaginality was obv scum that game and it took me like four RL days of talking to datisi to get him to a vote he was not even that sure about.
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Post #1811 (isolation #239) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:09 pm
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convincing datisi in that game to not lim me and lose the game was like the absolute most effort I have put into trying to win a game since I came back to this site.
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In post 1805, VP Baltar wrote:This doesn't make any sense. So I'm going to get flipped anyway, and he thinks I'm scum, so wouldn't that just make the hood more powerful if town!suichi then has a masonry essentially? Unless he thought I was scum with datisi, which he apparently does not.
if he thinks you're mafia then mafia already know about the hood
him hinting he is going to vote me is not a new development in the thread. still doesn't explain why now.
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In post 1811, VP Baltar wrote:convincing datisi in that game to not lim me and lose the game was like the absolute most effort I have put into trying to win a game since I came back to this site.
so you can absolutely pocket him in a PT if you went max effort why r you pretending you can't
It is a wild ass take for you to walk away from that game, which you watched in real time, and think that was easy or even possible for me to do as scum.
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In post 1811, VP Baltar wrote:convincing datisi in that game to not lim me and lose the game was like the absolute most effort I have put into trying to win a game since I came back to this site.
so you can absolutely pocket him in a PT if you went max effort why r you pretending you can't
It is a wild ass take for you to walk away from that game, which you watched in real time, and think that was easy or even possible for me to do as scum.
I didn't say it was easy - I said it's possible
I actually don't think I could do that as scum.
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Post #1822 (isolation #244) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:22 pm
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In post 1821, Aristeia wrote:you wouldn't walk into the hood with your hands up and be like "oh you got me"
yeah, for sure. I'm just saying I don't think pocket is the play I'd go for. I'd probably just want to play it as believable as possible for a day and NK him. Pocket is too risky and something I don't think I'd have the confidence with datisi to pull off. He's studied my game too much.
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Dats has fooled me before, but I feel pretty safe calling him town. I don't think some of his hood interactions would be super easy to fake with me, though you never know with his tricksy self.
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Post #1838 (isolation #248) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:58 pm
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In post 1828, Datisi wrote:so please point me to what you want comments on
I haven't read suichi's case yet, but that's probably a place to start. I'll check it out tomorrow after I wake up because it is 1am and I am actually going to tell my insomnia to take a hike and I will really go to sleep now.
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Post #1862 (isolation #250) » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:12 am
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In post 1852, Datisi wrote:one thing that i do want baltar to address in detail is the way his read on me progressed throughout this game. because i am reading a certain amount of being unsure whether i am clearly town or bigbraining scum, and i'm not sure i track how his thoughts are supposed to have been progressing in this game
I'll dive back into the memory banks and give you the play by play as my mafia priority today.
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Post #1890 (isolation #256) » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:26 am
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In post 1883, fireisredsir wrote:but i do think your solving under pressure is p weak and you would be doing more to work on the game itself rather than devoting all your time to playing the social game
I like how all your scum reads on me are based on what you think I SHOULD be doing here.
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I don't know what this is supposed to mean. How is me supporting the prism wagon, which I have been on for a long time now, "entering anyone but me" mode?
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Post #1897 (isolation #258) » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:34 am
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In post 1894, fireisredsir wrote:but on the other hand shuichi has known about the hood the whole time and still thinks vp is scum for similar reasons to what i think,
I am fairly convinced one of you is scum pocketing the other and I have been trying to figure out which way this is going all game.
I think this is a weak spot in my game because I usually have a good spidey sense for areas where this is generally happening in games, but I always have a hard time pinpointing who is pocketing who. The fact that you both act oblivious to this probably doesn't help.
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