Micro 1056: Moderators of the Discord Server [game over]

[PenguinPower]

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Lucky for all of you, I am a confirmed moderator. That should make things a little easier.

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everyone loves stop getting banned for some reason...

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sup pengy missed u

missed you too

glad you're a moderator this go around

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luke apparently

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what is there that i should be using to solve right now? its page 4 and not even everyone has checked in..

name names

pooky - ngl - the avatar is throwing me for a huge loop

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i think dwlees scummy

i think they came in with a fixed mindset to push me (scum would want to do this because historically im a pretty easy miselim cuz ill just egg it on LMAO), theyre applying logic to me that could be applied to other players and are using it to call me scummy.
theyre using "oh marcis not solving" as a backing reason, which honestly doesnt seem like its in good faith using it at this point of time, not everyones in SERIOUS MODE yet. + theres been games of mine where i act EXACTLY like this early on until i find something to latcg onto, and I think they know that.

yeah - but like - you did a scummy thing with the stop getting banned channel sooo....

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typically we moderators like to discuss and get on the same page before taking action instead of yoloing just because we want something

scummy moderators yolo

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that's what hackers do

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urge to sillypost rising

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why no love for mafia discussion

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Now I don’t wanna do sillyposting because I don’t wanna get stuck with Luke and Pooky

Rude

I feel like you two will go on pages long arguments and I want an excuse to not have to actually read you guys off of it

and yeah, I like playing with Marci but I have like 0 interest in reading her, I don't find it very fun.

So Mafia Discussion > Sillyposting >> SGB

I might just go into MD in not too long, maybe Sillyposting could also be fun though!

don't you take sillyposting away from me

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VOTE: sillyposting

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you all are making me way too nervous that you are going to take pooky away from me

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what we've gotta do is force everybody to get some readslists going before either of the 2 games left get filled i think

would that be helpful i feel like it would be

Are you asking for a….rainbow reads list?

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Rainbow Reads tomorrow. Got it.

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Fun fact: Dragons/Faker/me are confirmed not to be the scumteam because if we were, we would win from the day end rule

i'd love to see one of you choose a channel just to confirm that

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Fun fact: Dragons/Faker/me are confirmed not to be the scumteam because if we were, we would win from the day end rule

i'd love to see one of you choose a channel just to confirm that

We've been pretty set for awhile on where we're all going, I think, though Dragon's missed Meuh saying it the first time.

Did you not know the locations we chose, or are you just eager for the day to end?

My point was more that it's not confirmed until at minimum one person actually chooses.

You all could just be cheeky scum that just want to ride this out and meme until the win.

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I feel the heat, but unfortunately penguins don’t have sweat glands.

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@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Pooky and I are pretty aligned on our thoughts, so I don't really have much to add.

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I mean - I guess I could effort on SGB, but we only need 2/3 to win so i don't wanna.

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Could you be more specific about what you said about her last night? From a quick read through, what you said seems to be dependent on me being scum.

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That's interesting thing to point out, because I was starting to kinda see her more as a partner with you based on her wanting you to be speedvoted as an option 2 (this is using my assumption that you are scum).

Guess that just means we should trust in pooky and I feel bad for having stray thoughts.

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@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Pooky and I are pretty aligned on our thoughts, so I don't really have much to add.

What thoughts are aligned? This is not at all obvious skimming your ISO.

Suppose you do not get voted today and were placed with the decision instead. What has Pooky said that is even remotely persuasive?

me + pooky = town
marci = scum

I can't express my pooky read. We gut read each other, though he is much better at reading me than the other way around.

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and again - no thoughts on SGB atm

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That's interesting thing to point out, because I was starting to kinda see her more as a partner with you based on her wanting you to be speedvoted as an option 2 (this is using my assumption that you are scum).

Guess that just means we should trust in pooky and I feel bad for having stray thoughts.

This is basically why I was surprised to see you settle it as "I am aligned with Pooky, lets end the minigame"

Pooky's only expressed thoughts on the Faker mini game was that Marci is scummy, so Faker town.

But I kinda expected you to have been at least somewhat suspicious of Faker stepping in to try and stop you from being voted, and considering she could be partnered with one of us.

Well - it's more of, I know that I'm town and you both expressed a desire to vote for me so let's get a W.

I'm returning to mafia after a 9 month break, so I'd rather the players involved in SGB and MD make those decision as I'm not sure the value that I'm going to be able to add to that discussion.

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I mean - you discounting pookie's read on me based on his experience, but using your experience with Luke and basically locking in and then yelling "bad faith" and "not responding" is pretty gross.

But you do you - why am I scum?

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but posts another game showing Luke has always wanted to quickly lock Sillyposting as town.

Sorry - took this as you using meta examples given other games.

I think this is in bad faith. I'm willing to dialogue with anyone else. If Pooky is town my last words for him are that I encourage him to vote Penguin and lose.

Sorry - also took this as you scum reading me given your confidence that we would lose.

Also, occam's razor in social deduction games is a dangerous principle to apply.

Also, also...this makes you appeared tunneled

I am actually howling laughing at the idea that anyone could read Pooky's last set of posts and align with them, and again I do not care if Lukewarm is in fact scum. Those Pooky posts were absolutely awful.

also, also, also wik...I kinda hate some of your ate on re-read

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You are equating a concrete statement of preference made by Luke as somehow in the same vein as your and Pooky's tonal judgments of one another. They are not even remotely comparable. There is no interpretation or subjectivity involved in Luke saying "I would lock Sillyposting as town" outside of the game.

There is subjectivity unless you are asserting there is a trust tell involved.

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Thanks for saying that it's NAI in a lot of words.

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Almost as if I understand the rules and wanted you to say it.

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So, outside the "clean reactionary read" on you...why are you so tunneled on Luke being town?

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You....you realize that your arguement is NAI...right? I mean....right?

Here's what I see - two players, one of which has to be scum, saying they are both going to vote me as town. You then step in saying to slow roll it, and then that if we aren't going to slow roll it to vote Luke. You yell at pooky, say not so nice things, and storm off only to storm back in before getting angry again at pooky doing the same thing you are doing (except pooky reads me really well which should be taken into consideration), insult my understanding of site ruleset, and then get mad and storm off when I actually have a purpose and engage your Luke read.

You admittedly don't have a good read on me. You assumedly thing pooky is townier, but insist on yelling at him despite his experience. You townread Luke for NAI reason outsdie of his "reactionary read" on you (since you haven't explained further. Basically, imo, you appear to be trying to scum an out from voting me.

Else, you are just acting really egotistical and think you

have

to be right despite a lack of actual expressed reasoning to be so.

Pooky, you sure Faker is town?

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"Lukewarm has said previously out of game that he'd like to lock in Sillyposting as town" -> "Lukewarm locking Sillyposting isn't a scumclaim [as Pooky says]"

Too many words for Penguin

No, you are using it as one of two reasons to launch him to the top of your townreads in Sillyposting.

I pulled out the receipts showing not only that Luke wanted Sillyposting before marcistar even posted, but posts another game showing Luke has always wanted to quickly lock Sillyposting as town.

While secondary, his reactionary read on me was also extremely clean.

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Is this what an absence looks like?

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Sorry - but, "making a...claim" whether primarily or secondarily is making a claim using that as the basis of the arguement. If you don't dispute me calling that argument NAI then...how is it not NAI?

I don't really care about pooky's assertion that it was +scum at this point...way beyond that. You should probably move past it too.

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Is this what an absence looks like?

Unfortunately, yes, I am bad at sticking to my word on this when I mald.

I'm the same way

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You....you realize that your arguement is NAI...right? I mean....right?

The issue is that Pooky is still trying to argue from a position as though it makes me scum, not that it is NAI. Like the conversation between Pooky and Faker felt like:

"Luke is 100% scum for going to silly posting"

"Luke would go to silly posting as town"

"But why wouldn't luke go to silly posting as scum????"

"Maybe he would, but it does not make him scum, because he would do it as town"

"So you admit that he would possibly do it as scum? Good, then I was right, and Luke is 100% scum"

So yeah, I agree that it feels like Pooky is not arguing in good faith.

It feels to me that Faker is getting wrapped up in trying to make you see how bad pooky's argument is, and you are reading it like she is town casing me. Two different conversations happening past one another.

I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.

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Sorry - but, "making a...claim" whether primarily or secondarily is making a claim using that as the basis of the arguement. If you don't dispute me calling that argument NAI then...how is it not NAI?

Understanding why someone holds a belief is not the same as sharing it. I

can

debate that it's +town, and in the strictest sense it is: Lukewarm followed a single known town preference. Perhaps the increased chance of him being town is near-zero negligible, perhaps it is substantial.

If you don't believe him doing so makes a difference, then I'm not likely to change your view.

I don't really care about pooky's assertion that it was +scum at this point...way beyond that. You should probably move past it too.

I'm happy to.

Seems we're agreed on both accounts then.

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Right, but if I'm town he already said he was voting me so why does that matter?

Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue and I understand better now what you meant and where you are coming from.

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^
That was at Faker.

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oh boy - that just got all sorts of screwed up

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I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.

The reason why it should matter to you, is because this minigame should end with me voting for a player.

The optimal way to play this minigame is to first chose the player that is more scum read in the mini game (you and pooky both say me) and then forcing me to cast the vote.

I am less sold on voting you then I was when I was upset last game and just wanted to get out, so if you are town, and I am scum, it doesn't matter. You have won. But I am town, so if you are town your win condition atp is convincing me that you are town over pooky. And engaging with debates will help me sort you.

Oh boy - your messaging sure has changed from

This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

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Hopefully 546 answer it for you; as someone who wants Lukewarm voted, rather than being the voter, my interest is more in getting whichever town is in Pooky/Penguin to not vote the other.

don't plan on voting either tbh

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Perhaps I should spend more time convincing Luke not to vote but I don't think he's going to anytime soon, so shrug.

Either way I'm not malding anymore, thanks for taking the time to work through things even as I was frustrated, I will now actually take my absence now.

No worries - I get it.

Have a good night.

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You said you were upset "last game," now you are upset this game too? And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you (which I just an hour ago called out again and you are making me question it even more) but said to trust in pooky's reads since you called it out and that didn't make sense to me. So - that recounting of events is somewhat of your own creation.

Your trajectory feels extremely off rn.

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I already said I'm not voting so.....

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Sure - but you see how fmpov that looks exactly like what I described that you and faker are doing, right?

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I already said I'm not voting so.....

Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?

Don't really care to convince you.

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Not my preference, but sure.

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You townread Luke for NAI reason outsdie of his "reactionary read" on you (since you haven't explained further. Basically, imo, you appear to be trying to

give

scum an out from voting me.

Fair enough, I left out a word that I've added here.

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and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated

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Do you agree that our minigame should be solved:
Step 1, chosse who votes
Step 2, let that person choose between the other two

No - I think when someone feels like they are ready to vote they should vote. This method overcomplicates it.

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and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated

Yeah. Faker said that.

I didn't, and I am the one in this minigame, so it is my opinion that matters, not hers.

Sure - just because you are the one in this minigame doesn't mean you don't share a scum alignment with Faker...which is what that was tied to.

At this point, I will vote pooky or me. I am never voting you. Do with that what you will.

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At this point, I will vote pooky or me. I am never voting you. Do with that what you will.

All good.

We are in agreement.

You never vote for me.

Now, I need to decide which of you and pooky I am voting for.

how do you think I should go about making that choice, if neither of you want to engage with me on why they are the better choice?

tbf - if pooky and I both agree you are scum then you don't really matter - we just need to work out who the two of us are voting for. sorry.

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Who ever else is town in this minigame deserves to lose tbh

VOTE: Pooky

tbf - that's a stupid sentiment to make yourself feel better.

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VOTE: pooky

never misread me, but i can't read you

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Who ever else is town in this minigame deserves to lose tbh

VOTE: Pooky

tbf - that's a stupid sentiment to make yourself feel better.

"I'm in a minigame designed around town finding each other, but let's refuse to try and find each other as town"

"Let me flash vote while the other two still need to talk despite saying I am going to evaluate"

Like - you just gave up if town without me pushing pooky at all for why he hasn't voted me.

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VOTE: pooky

never misread me, but i can't read you

<3 you too buddy

i gotta stop rolling scum when i play with you its awful

It is. I'm back now, so more opportunities to roll town together!

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VOTE: pooky

never misread me, but i can't read you

<3 you too buddy

i gotta stop rolling scum when i play with you its awful

It is. I'm back now, so more opportunities to roll town together!

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Like, I was begging you to help me find you. And you said no thanks

I didn't need you to interact with me - are you not seeing that? You interacting with me made me see you more as scum. I needed to interact with pooky which is pretty much what I said?

Whatever. You voted. That's the minigame.

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My reads absolutely don't matter at this point.

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Like, I was begging you to help me find you. And you said no thanks

I didn't need you to interact with me - are you not seeing that? You interacting with me made me see you more as scum. I needed to interact with pooky which is pretty much what I said?

Whatever. You voted. That's the minigame.

The only way that we won the minigame was for me to vote for you. Or for you to vote for me.

You said that you were never voting for me ever.

That means that the only way we were ever winning was for me to vote for you apparently.

Not sure why you engaging with pooky was the answer for me to find you. But shrug

You do realize that I was going to push pooky to vote for me since he said....oh idk...he was going to vote for me. I can vote for me. So you did not have to vote for me. If pooky did

not

vote for me - that would be SUSPECT!

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Like you both said you were going to vote for me - you were here and I was pushing you for changing your mind.

Yeah - this is mini!tiwlight....I should be trolling.

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Dats is sleeping. It's going to be more than 5 minutes.

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Nah - you ended things early because of emotion. Congrats.

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k, luke. Good job.

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Would have been nice if we got more discussion from/on SGB before flip, c'est la vie.

No one is going to vote anytime soon it's okay I can go watch anime for a few minutes :^)

oooh- what are you watching?

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Sorry I got it wrong.

No worries - it's a game. Tbf - you and Faker got me back in the groove after a 9 month absence so I appreciate that.

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like town!him knows that town!me will read him correctly 100% of the time

so all he has to do is wait for me to vote for him

and if i don't then i'm mafia

he doesn't have to sort you at all

Right - this is what I was doing while trying to assess what Faker was doing.

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Yeah, this loss is on me.

Thanks for modding datisi

Nah, it's not. I share equal blame.

+1 thanks for modding...loved the theme.