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Faker · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:05 pm

Hopefully 546 answer it for you; as someone who wants Lukewarm voted, rather than being the voter, my interest is more in getting whichever town is in Pooky/Penguin to not vote the other.

PenguinPower · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:07 pm

In post 544, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 539, PenguinPower wrote:I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.
The reason why it should matter to you, is because this minigame should end with me voting for a player.

The optimal way to play this minigame is to first chose the player that is more scum read in the mini game (you and pooky both say me) and then forcing me to cast the vote.

I am less sold on voting you then I was when I was upset last game and just wanted to get out, so if you are town, and I am scum, it doesn't matter. You have won. But I am town, so if you are town your win condition atp is convincing me that you are town over pooky. And engaging with debates will help me sort you.

Oh boy - your messaging sure has changed from

In post 384, Lukewarm wrote:This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

PenguinPower · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:07 pm

In post 550, Faker wrote:Hopefully 546 answer it for you; as someone who wants Lukewarm voted, rather than being the voter, my interest is more in getting whichever town is in Pooky/Penguin to not vote the other.

don't plan on voting either tbh

Faker · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:07 pm

Perhaps I should spend more time convincing Luke not to vote but I don't think he's going to anytime soon, so shrug.

Either way I'm not malding anymore, thanks for taking the time to work through things even as I was frustrated, I will now actually take my absence now.

PenguinPower · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:08 pm

In post 553, Faker wrote:Perhaps I should spend more time convincing Luke not to vote but I don't think he's going to anytime soon, so shrug.

Either way I'm not malding anymore, thanks for taking the time to work through things even as I was frustrated, I will now actually take my absence now.

No worries - I get it.

Have a good night.

Faker · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:09 pm

I'm also happy to revisit Lukewarm's alignment later when I come back now that we're on something that isn't a complete deadend.

Lukewarm · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:13 pm

In post 551, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 544, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 539, PenguinPower wrote:I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.
The reason why it should matter to you, is because this minigame should end with me voting for a player.

The optimal way to play this minigame is to first chose the player that is more scum read in the mini game (you and pooky both say me) and then forcing me to cast the vote.

I am less sold on voting you then I was when I was upset last game and just wanted to get out, so if you are town, and I am scum, it doesn't matter. You have won. But I am town, so if you are town your win condition atp is convincing me that you are town over pooky. And engaging with debates will help me sort you.
Oh boy - your messaging sure has changed from

In post 384, Lukewarm wrote:This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

Yes. I was upset with the game, and wanted out. I was very close to voting and walking away from the game.

But then I decided to focus on other games.

Then you came in and just said "I have no thoughts of my own, lets get out of here" and it freaked me out, because that sure looked like you not wanting to partner spew on your way out.

Then I thought about Pooky again while I was not upset, and I realized that this is actually something that he might do as town, and while it is annoying, but a possibility.

So, I decided to take a moment to work things out.

PenguinPower · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:19 pm

You said you were upset "last game," now you are upset this game too? And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you (which I just an hour ago called out again and you are making me question it even more) but said to trust in pooky's reads since you called it out and that didn't make sense to me. So - that recounting of events is somewhat of your own creation.

Your trajectory feels extremely off rn.

Lukewarm · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:21 pm

In post 557, PenguinPower wrote:You said you were upset "last game," now you are upset this game too? And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you (which I just an hour ago called out again and you are making me question it even more) but said to trust in pooky's reads since you called it out and that didn't make sense to me. So - that recounting of events is somewhat of your own creation.

Your trajectory feels extremely off rn.

That was a mistype. I meant last night

In post 549, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 544, Lukewarm wrote:I was upset last
game
night

If you think I am scum, that is fine. Let me be the voter.

PenguinPower · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:21 pm

I already said I'm not voting so.....

Lukewarm · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:23 pm

In post 557, PenguinPower wrote:And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you

That might not have been your exact words, but that was still my reaction to the post.

Lukewarm · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:26 pm

For anyone wondering my thoughts on this game, I decided that I was never going to town case myself this game on Day 1.

In post 156, Lukewarm wrote:Not sure I enjoy "existing in a game with me" being thought of as being a hell hole.

I think I might just accept being the person who votes in this minigame, and can skip past me ever having to convince anyone I am town.

I decided that I would be the voter, and just sort between the two of you.

The way pooky started day 2 made me no longer want to sort him. Made me feel like, if he was town, I was happy for him to lose. Made me feel like, if I voted for him and he fliped scum, I would be way more upset at losing to scum pooky then to lose to scum penguin. Made me feel like I should just vote and leave.

So I said I was ready to go.

When I calmed down, I went back to "I am going to be the voter in this game, but take the time to sort"

Lukewarm · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:26 pm

In post 559, PenguinPower wrote:I already said I'm not voting so.....

Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?

PenguinPower · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:28 pm

Sure - but you see how fmpov that looks exactly like what I described that you and faker are doing, right?

PenguinPower · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:28 pm

In post 562, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 559, PenguinPower wrote:I already said I'm not voting so.....
Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?

Don't really care to convince you.

Lukewarm · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:29 pm

In post 564, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 562, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 559, PenguinPower wrote:I already said I'm not voting so.....
Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?
Don't really care to convince you.

So you are just as happy if I vote Pooky here?

PenguinPower · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:30 pm

Not my preference, but sure.

Lukewarm · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:31 pm

In post 563, PenguinPower wrote:Sure - but you see how fmpov that looks exactly like what I described that you and faker are doing, right?

I am not sure what you mean by this.

Do you think that this a reverse psychology attempt to get one of you to vote for me?

PenguinPower · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:32 pm

In post 528, PenguinPower wrote:You townread Luke for NAI reason outsdie of his "reactionary read" on you (since you haven't explained further. Basically, imo, you appear to be trying to
give
scum an out from voting me.

Fair enough, I left out a word that I've added here.

PenguinPower · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:33 pm

and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated

Lukewarm · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:35 pm

Do you agree that our minigame should be solved:
Step 1, chosse who votes
Step 2, let that person choose between the other two

Lukewarm · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:35 pm

In post 569, PenguinPower wrote:and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated

Yeah. Faker said that.

I didn't, and I am the one in this minigame, so it is my opinion that matters, not hers.

PenguinPower · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:39 pm

In post 570, Lukewarm wrote:Do you agree that our minigame should be solved:
Step 1, chosse who votes
Step 2, let that person choose between the other two

No - I think when someone feels like they are ready to vote they should vote. This method overcomplicates it.

PenguinPower · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:40 pm

In post 571, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 569, PenguinPower wrote:and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated
Yeah. Faker said that.

I didn't, and I am the one in this minigame, so it is my opinion that matters, not hers.

Sure - just because you are the one in this minigame doesn't mean you don't share a scum alignment with Faker...which is what that was tied to.

At this point, I will vote pooky or me. I am never voting you. Do with that what you will.

Lukewarm · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:43 pm

In post 573, PenguinPower wrote:At this point, I will vote pooky or me. I am never voting you. Do with that what you will.

All good.

We are in agreement.

You never vote for me.

Now, I need to decide which of you and pooky I am voting for.

how do you think I should go about making that choice, if neither of you want to engage with me on why they are the better choice?