Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[Bellaphant]

@ranger, I'd put vander much higher, but again it's probably mostly vibes.

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I felt like ranger making a reads list was the end of rvs?

Why is set up spec so towny? Like, it just seems factual

[Bellaphant]

Eh, I remember playing with ranger, they tend to have good reads?

[Bellaphant]

I was going to reply with 'and?' but then I saw your sig

So,

Hi! And?

[Bellaphant]

^ is town.

[Bellaphant]

I don't think this is ai from ox, I seem to remember this just being them. I think vander has the best take on what they were saying though.

What's weird is that it didn't make me feel more about arko.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: arko

Is it crazy to say I think a scum voted ox?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE: On re-evaluation, I don't think OE is scum. Seems quite townie.

@Bellephant: Can you elaborate on your thought process behind voting Arko?

Something just feels really inorganic? The auto townreads felt strange for doing what seemed very surface level set up stuff, rather than 'yay, town -sided!' or whatever, and then the convo with Ox again didn't vibe right: I ended up tr-ing the ox slot ans not feeling anything more about arko, which tends to be one of my red flags for scum: they end up feeling 'grey'. I need to think about rangers interactions with arko too.

[Bellaphant]

After my vote, but the e-2 weirdness is also....weird.

[Bellaphant]

Like, my trs are

Ox
Vander/aisa
You And av kinda null
Everyone else

[Bellaphant]

[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,

Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.

I loved this thought process.

I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.

There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.

Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!

Are they good points?
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?

This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.

I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)

[Bellaphant]

Aisa, have I scum read you for self conscious posting before?

[Bellaphant]

I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?

[Bellaphant]

Bloodbot, struggling to read you too: can you throw a question or thought at me?

[Bellaphant]

Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.

[Bellaphant]

Oh, I thought he was talking about you?


The post means that I liked Vander's Sus of you because it felt organic because I was not fully reading rangers posts by then. It means him Ans I are flowing the same, rather than me particularly liking it as Sus against you, if that makes sense

[Bellaphant]

No night kills for a start, plus 2/7 feels good odds, better than the newbie queue, which is the only other place I play small games. Plus, I really like the idea of scum and town hunting being separate skills and being played out as separate

[Bellaphant]

3/7, but we can get it wrong twice.

This bit 'When the number of Sinners and Saints among the Unjudged (alive) players is equal, a Judgement Day occurs, in which all Martyrs decide on a player to send to hell. If that player is a Saint, the Sinners win. If that player is a Sinner, the game moves to a hell phase.' feels scum sided but we'd have to fuck up a fair bit to get there.

[Bellaphant]

NGL I'd kinda been looking for two scum.

[Bellaphant]

Wrong once. Jfc I'm bas at numbers

[Bellaphant]

I think the setup is townsided because it has a history of 5 town wins and 1 mafia win. I wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the mechanics of it. That being said, I'm not sure what we gain by knowing it's townsided. Does that mean we shouldn't try as hard?

Bloodbot, struggling to read you too: can you throw a question or thought at me?

I don't have much to say, other than to ask for your thoughts behind:

NGL I'd kinda been looking for two scum.

I'm looking forward to Kowahbunga's thoughts on the game.

Yeah, I think it was because of the talk of pairs and theatre? Ox/arko, arko/ranger, etc. I am not good at mech at the best of tinws

[Bellaphant]

Anyway, I have put less effort into the game today than yesterday, gonna sheep my read from yesterday that Ranger is likely town. So the priority is to get this wagon off Ranger.

VOTE: BloodB0t who wants to wagon this with me? xx
I can case tomorrow.
Why not Oclaxian Empire, you might wonder? I like some of the points Vander has brought up for why they might be town, gut says BloodB0t is a bit scummier.

Kowahbunga also has ~24 hours to town it up or convince me that post of theirs I quoted is not scummy before I start thinking that wagoning them is fair play.

Still not sure on ranger and think Ox is probably town but I like this from Aisa. Can go back in the town pile. Big agree on kowah

[Bellaphant]

I think the setup is townsided because it has a history of 5 town wins and 1 mafia win.

For instance, I look at this POV about it and the opinion that it's town sided and think this is much more likely a town POV that Bellaphant's POV about it. Because the more I think about it, Bella's issue with the game makes no sense from town pov. It seems like they're worried about the setup, but yet call it townsided. Wouldn't having the opinion of it being townsided also be a cause for confidence... If you are town?

At this point I really feel like Bella manufactured their townsided opinion. That and not being familiar with the setup, while also being able to act worried about the set up they apparently don't know enough about to know the player split of.

VOTE: Bella

Like, you've missed the point: the focus isn't the amount of scum, that's not what makes it town or scum sided to me, it's the set up: I've never played nightless, plus I've never played finding scum and town separately. It would've probably made it clearee to say I'm much more looking forward to tomorrow, as I prefer town hunting.

I don't think I've ever faked a town slip in my life. And If I had , I'd like to think that I did it a lot better than that, rather than just post a jumble of numbers.
It feels like whatever I said to answer the question, you would've scum read it.

[Bellaphant]

Did like rangers response about reading posts, did kinda like Drew's catch up but his scum reads are my biggest town reads.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

[Bellaphant]

Can someone link the chat game?

[Bellaphant]

Hey, do you want to throw a few questions my way? You've kinda been filed in my head as 'kinda shares my reads' and I haven't massively examined that.

[Bellaphant]

Can we get a VC? Because ranger was the leading wagon on... Monday, and I'm not sure where we are.

Lim pool is in kowah, Dr and ...very maybe bloodbot/AV, but least fav options. I don't feel qualified to read ranger but after hms mutiny, these early stale day one wagons don't give me good vibes.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: kowah

[Bellaphant]

Aisa, vander, could compromise on one

Agree self votes seem a bit desperate

P-edit I think I understood but I'm not going to garcia

[Bellaphant]

Yes, five pure town votes means that everyone has to agree, which is a) not likely, because even my strong tr in aisa seems to be null/scum by at least two people, b) not really necessary as obv scum are going to want to be on the leasing wagon for 'cred', which helps us

I think the next stage of hell voting is going to be more straightforward but we should also have a plan(Ish) for that now.

I do wonder what will happen to those middle of the road reads (bot and av), where in general people don't seem to have as much of a 'take' on them as they do with 'controversial' reads like ox And and ranger.

[Bellaphant]

Is it four votes tomorrow?

[Bellaphant]

Is there merit in sorting the 'controversial'reads now? Like I could vote ox

[Bellaphant]

How do you feel about Drew's posting since the flip?
P-edit some of those are interesting questions, I'll think myself

[Bellaphant]

The only saving grace is that scum can't really out themselves to send a town to hell, because the heaven angels have the chance to rescue it the next day. That shouldn't be too hard if it was done obviously.

Sorry, can you reword this?

[Bellaphant]

@mod, vla at least until monday

Noted.

[Bellaphant]

I'm happy with aisa or vander, I'm skimming but much better vibes from aureal than bot

[Bellaphant]

Even if ranger is open wolfing, we've already discussed that we are going to need at least one scum on to send someone to heaven, and aisa is my strongest tr, except for a few tin hat moments.

Enchant, where's your head at?

[Bellaphant]

I really liked the catch up for town but dislike 555 quite a lot.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: aisa h-1 I don't have a stronger read than this.

[Bellaphant]

I really liked the catch up for town but dislike 555 quite a lot.

BTW could you elaborate on this?

In long run it didn't matter it's all mafia ploy.

8 players
5 good
3 evil

And Aisa didn't vote for self.
So mafia helped.

Also, this makes one of(if not both) Aureal and Vander town confirmed.

*scratches head* How's that? Obviously I know I'm town, but from your POV what's stopping Vander and I from being scum and just the third one voting Aisa?

I guess I'd never seen it before? The reads from other people worked out in that depth seemed to have more scum than town utility. Especially in this game where we have to work out who's going to vote who If we end up at two two, etc. Can you talk me through your why a little bit?

[Bellaphant]

I really liked the catch up for town but dislike 555 quite a lot.

BTW could you elaborate on this?

In long run it didn't matter it's all mafia ploy.

8 players
5 good
3 evil

And Aisa didn't vote for self.
So mafia helped.

Also, this makes one of(if not both) Aureal and Vander town confirmed.

*scratches head* How's that? Obviously I know I'm town, but from your POV what's stopping Vander and I from being scum and just the third one voting Aisa?

I guess I'd never seen it before? The reads from other people worked out in that depth seemed to have more scum than town utility. Especially in this game where we have to work out who's going to vote who If we end up at two two, etc. Can you talk me through your why a little bit?

[Bellaphant]

So anyway, Vander, what do you have for scumreads now? You obviously were scumreading Ranger- does Aisa being town affect that? She was most interested in defending Ranger, do you think she was wrong? And who else would you see as being scum with Ranger since it seemed like you were most wary of Aisa? You've been feeling most everyone else is somewhat towny, but there's got to be two more scum in there.

Yeah I mean it seems even more likely now that Aisa was wrong, I don't understand why scum would want to send Aisa to heaven over me if they know that Ranger is town and they can get an extremely reliable kill there to win the game if they can lim someone other than Ranger today.
I'm not super confident in other scum, very likely not OE/Enchant.

Can you talk me through this as well?

[Bellaphant]

@aureal, thats not what I said? I said it felt scummy because scum need to know more clearly with this mech who would vote who when, etc, Ans that's what it seemed a bit like.

[Bellaphant]

@aureal, thats not what I said? I said it felt scummy because scum need to know more clearly with this mech who would vote who when, etc, Ans that's what it seemed a bit like.

[Bellaphant]

@vander it's the why I feel is missing? Maybe I'm tired but it feels like conclusions, not procees. This in particular ' understand why scum would want to send Aisa to heaven over me if they know that Ranger is town and they can get an extremely reliable kill there to win the game if they can lim someone other than Ranger today.'

[Bellaphant]

@aureal, aisa had been consistent about one of her trs being wrong, yeah. I'd been good with just auto-voting ranger or Dr drew but I haven't liked anything from enchant and they normally town it up, especially Inna game this mech heavy.

I don't know how I feel about what ranger said just then about aisa.

[Bellaphant]

For clarity, my read on Dr drew seems to flip every post they make: I didn't like their poarinf at all a few pages ago but liked their recent one. I don't know what that means.

Im pretty sure ranger/ox-enchant isn't scum/scum, can I get a sense check on that?

[Bellaphant]

For clarity, my read on Dr drew seems to flip every post they make: I didn't like their poarinf at all a few pages ago but liked their recent one. I don't know what that means.

Im pretty sure ranger/ox-enchant isn't scum/scum, can I get a sense check on that?

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I'm not sure why I keep double posting

[Bellaphant]

@vanders, who do you think scum would be likely to/want to mis-lim if "ranger and I (you) are both town" ?

@aureal, I'm pretty good at reading enchant! I'm surprised you've never seen him town it up, he often becomes obv! town, often by solving/mech, or obv scum by lack of engagement/effort.

[Bellaphant]

@av, you are saying that if ranger is scum, Vander's is more likely scum?

I'm wondering about not touching either of them today, now.

[Bellaphant]

Enchant scum viewtopic.php?t=90280

[Bellaphant]

Enchant town viewtopic.php?t=90011&start=8850

[Bellaphant]

Right, that's why I'm asking: I'm confused about what you are saying in the first place. Your follow up didn't really clarify, or I'm just not following?

[Bellaphant]

@vander it's the why I feel is missing? Maybe I'm tired but it feels like conclusions, not procees. This in particular ' understand why scum would want to send Aisa to heaven over me if they know that Ranger is town and they can get an extremely reliable kill there to win the game if they can lim someone other than Ranger today.'

In a world where Ranger and I are both town, if scum sent me to heaven yesterday and then get a miskill on a non-Ranger player today, they can probably just assume I will send Ranger straight to hell, right?

So why not try to do that?

I'm asking about the 'non ranger' mis kill.

[Bellaphant]

Like, I thought I understood that you think ranger is scum, so If you were in heaven and someone got Mis limned, and ranger was scum, then... After that you'd vote ranger from heaven, If that was the end game? But then I get lost, and that already sounds fairly convoluted

[Bellaphant]

I'm also not really following how that followed on from your first post I questioned? It may well be me

[Bellaphant]

I like ^, but I'm pretty sure aureal is town.

[Bellaphant]

@ranger, does the change of course make Vanders more or less likely to be scum? I forgot they got to -1.

[Bellaphant]

@ranger, I asked you a question you may have missed.

[Bellaphant]

@aureal, I don't think my aisa read was a surprise?

[Bellaphant]

I enated some (yours, but anyone's) opinion about the serve onto aisa from vander Ans if it meant anything about their alignment

[Bellaphant]

Hi enchant, what do you want to talk about?

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, been on a plane, will look properly before deadline

[Bellaphant]

I'm here, reading

[Bellaphant]

655 feels unnecessarily heated, weird tonal shift into 656
This team stuff feels really hard for me because I too don't gave a workable team, just a vague collection of scum reads. I think this means both theatre and distancing, or ay least one lurkscuk, but that's a shit #hottake also, high high probability of bussing
Dr Drew's pushback on ranger is weird

Last page

[Bellaphant]

675 from enchant is bad, 677 veers all over.
Wtf are these aureal votes? I'm not doing that. I don't think my read on this slot us just tone/ reasonable=town
I could do Dr drew or enchant, Vanders/ranger at a push.

Any Q's, am around

[Bellaphant]

@mod, a VC?

[Bellaphant]

Is that the hammer or do you need me?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: Dr drew just in case

[Bellaphant]

Aureal, can you talk me through this? '
I think that might actually mean Ranger is town then, and all hell wagons were on town. 3 Mafia OP. '

[Bellaphant]

So at five, vote out scum: we win?
Town, we go back to what we just had?

Then...aisa + whoever have to pick?

[Bellaphant]

Why is enchant your too town read?

More actual thought tomorrow

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, but since then? Because I agree, I think I was tr-ing ox when it was 'controversial' but this really doesn't look like town enchant, and enchant knows I know town him.

[Bellaphant]

I'm aure I asked this last day phase, but what advantage do scum have by switching it away from vander? The only thing I can think of is vander had better reads, but then aisa caught a scum anyway (GJ, but I wish we could talk!) The veer away seems negative utility for scum if he's town, but scum would deffo want the heaven to go through if he is scum - or is it too outing to the team? I've just wifomed myself, hence wanting some other opinions.

Or it's not indicative of anything, as Vanders posting was a bit wobbly mid phase: personally, I always had aisa as top town tier, with vander as next, but I remember specifically being put off as well by a vander interaction: I think it was his weird responses to my questions re the ranger lim.

But now I'm confused, because aureal has also states a few things as fact that just feel really narrative- crafting, and Vanders last few posts are towny.

With enchant, I'm right more than I'm wrong on you, I think that's a fair comment? I looked at ox's and enchants combined voting history earlier but apart from a fairly consistent ranger vote and changing their vote from Vanders town to Vanders scum, I don't think I learnt anything breathtaking.

[Bellaphant]

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Kowahbunga (5):

Aisa, Bellaphant, AurorusVox, Doctor Drew, Ranger.

[ELIMINATED]

Ranger (3):

Vanderscamp, BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire.

Oclaxian Empire (1):

Kowahbunga.

With 9 players alive, it took 5 votes to condemn someone to the fiery pits of

hell

.

2.04

Votecount 2.04 (Final)

Aisa (5):

AurorusVox, Doctor Drew, Ranger, Bellaphant, Enchant. [HAMMER]

Vanderscamp (1):

Vanderscamp.

Bellaphant (1):

Aisa.

Not Voting (1):

Aureal.

With 8 players alive, it took 5 votes to send someone through the shining gates of

heaven

.

Heaven phase 1 is over.

Aisa has been sent to heaven and was a

Spoiler:

Saint.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Aisa!

You are a

Saint

, and win if 2

Sinners

are sent to hell.

Confirm by replying with your role in a PM to me.

Spoiler: This means

Aisa is now a

Martyr

and may no longer post in this game thread. In the event of a Judgement Day, she and any other Martyrs will condemn a player to hell.

3.03

Votecount 3.03 (Final)

Doctor Drew (4):

AurorusVox, Enchant, Ranger, Aureal. [HAMMER]

Aureal (2):

Vanderscamp, Doctor Drew.

Not Voting (1):

Bellaphant.

With 7 players alive, it took 4 votes to condemn someone to the fiery pits of

hell

.

Hell phase 2 is over.

Doctor Drew has been judged. He was a

Spoiler:

Saint

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Doctor Drew!

You are a

Saint

, and win if 2

Sinners

are sent to hell.

Confirm by replying with your role in a PM to me.

Spoiler: This means

Doctor Drew joins the Judged PT and can no longer post in the game thread. With the numbers of unjudged (alive) Saints and Sinners equal, the game moves to a Judgement Day. Aisa, the Martyr, has 5 days to choose a player to judge. If that player is a Saint, Sinners immediately win. If that player is a Sinner, the game moves to a hell phase. During this Judgement Day, this gamethread will remain locked.

The vcs.

Day one: g: g ? R g ?
Counter: ? : ???

Day two: g: r g ? ? ?

Day three: g: r ? ? ?
Counter: ? : ? G

Wow that day one counter wagon is ???

How do we not have enough info for this? (Obviously/I/ get slightly more if I colour myself green)

[Bellaphant]

Scum aren't going to quick hammer anyway.

[Bellaphant]

Enchant, reads?

Also, explain that last point?

[Bellaphant]

Right now the only person I won't consider voting is vander, which is so not where I was yesterday. I can't work out whether scum are playing really well or really badly.

[Bellaphant]

Looking at just page 30, I do lean towards the most likely two combos of the four being,
{Vanderscamp, Enchant}
or
{Aureal, Bellaphant}

Enchant vs Aureal makes it unlikely both are scum given one scum elimination wins the town the game. It's

possible

(gambiting on neither being eliminated), but unlikely.

Since {Vanderscamp, Aureal} is never a team (same as above only much stronger), by PoE, the only team with Aureal would be Bellaphant, and 738 supports this as possible.

Inversely, while Enchant did vote Vanderscamp, the unvote and discussion on page 30 fit as a scumbuddy laying the groundwork to leave anti-buddy interactions which don't endanger either party.

Enchant/Areal are seriously pushing each other.
Vanderscamp/Areal are seriously pushing each other.

Enchant/Vanderscamp appear to be doing the opposite.

However, again; just page 30. I need a deep dive of the other 30 pages to get a better read.

I have a couple of issues with this post: trying to position yourself as the 'loudest' when we basically have the same amount of posts feels disengous and narrativey in the way that some of aureal post do. Also, it just lacks nuance generally: a lot of the 1v1s in the game have felt really picky, like 'technically' or whatever the arko thing was, or whether it's valid to have an early read, or now whether it's valid for aureal to brainstorm a thought process or not. As well as being off putting from the thread, they've all also seemed fairly confusing, which makes me wonder if it's theatre? The only 'genuine' thing seemed to be ox self voting, which is an emotion repsinse but doesn't mean town. Like, normally I can read an argument and work out where the two people are missing each other, but especially this aureal/vander one in kinda failing? I think that bussing in this game is more utility than normal, too.

Bella, what do you think Enchant's motivation here is?

You're the one most familiar with Enchant, your input would be appreciated here!

Part of me feels enchant is unreadable here on purpose. I've said to them twice I'm usually ok at reading them and been ignored/not engaged with, so they obviously don't want to talk about it? They also seem to scum read me/you/vander?? It doesn't feel very progress minded.

Enchant wants to win, generally. It's where the town!enchant mech spech comes from. It's also weirdly hard to vote then out, because people aren't confident reading them: they got vigged by their own traitor in our last game! I'm not seeing that here.

Wait, Vox lied about Ranger supporting Vander in the heaven vote and nobody pointed it out until now??? WTF

Watch, Aisa is going to be the only one who noticed it and that's why she zapped him.

Ugh. I read through avs iso last night trying to find interactions but he felt fairly distant from everyone? I asked him a few questions because I didn't feel engaged with but a lot of his early game was circular/insular

[Bellaphant]

^ feels more like town enchant than any other post@ aureal

[Bellaphant]

In trying to work out If there's a downside? Like, whatever enchants alignment is

[Bellaphant]

Is enchant right? If we think aisa can get it right, it almost doesn't matter?

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, I read it as ranger was worried that if vander was town, he'd vote her from the Aisa position. The progression to 'vander might be town ' is fairly clear in iso.

[Bellaphant]

^ feels more like town enchant than any other post@ aureal

Not to me, lol. We don't have control over what Aisa does and Enchant pretending we do is disingenuous.

Help, I used the word disingenuous in an argument! I hate when people do that.

I get that, but it's more town! Enchant in that he wants to win, rather than to survive. I'd like everyone to respond whether it's a good or bas idea, basically

[Bellaphant]

Mainly because we seem to be going round in circles: we just retreated from e-1 on aureal, I don't want to vote vander, ranger is the only person enchant hasn't named as target, aureal doesn't seem to want to vote then, but they'd be Vanders top pick?

If we are going to have to compromise, we should be giving aisa the most info possible: how do we do that?

P-edit I feel like rangers been the 'compromise' since day one though?
Pp-edit can you rephras the second post? Im not 100% following

[Bellaphant]

^ feels more like town enchant than any other post@ aureal

Not to me, lol. We don't have control over what Aisa does and Enchant pretending we do is disingenuous.

Help, I used the word disingenuous in an argument! I hate when people do that.

I get that, but it's more town! Enchant in that he wants to win, rather than to survive. I'd like everyone to respond whether it's a good or bas idea, basically

What reason would townEnchant have to think that flipping the two of us would lead to a win? It wouldn't. He's given no reason to think I'm scum, let alone "10/10 scum" that guarantees a win. If he were actually trying to solve I think he'd see that. Why would I suddenly go after him if I'm scum? You've pointed out that he doesn't get eliminated easily, but I do and he knows it.

How does he know? I thought you didn't have much experience with him?

What's the benefit of scum! enchant posting that?

[Bellaphant]

TBf noone else wants to talk about your plan so I am getting worried that I'm being thick here. But we have two days and noone wants to talk to me about consensus either.

[Bellaphant]

I think you aren't scum, it's the read I'm the most confident in by far. Enchant seems scumny by play but I can't get my head around scum! Enchant suggesting his theory. Ranger is really tough to read but the wagononomics look damning, and I just think aureal is straight scum. I think it's more likely that aureal could be partners with ranger, but not impossible that she's with enchant. Enchant not being willing to vote ranger does make me worried.

So I guess teams is like
Aureal/ranger
Aureal/enchant
Ranger/enchant

And I just don't think you are scum. If you are scum, it kind of has to be with enchant.

How I'm actually thinking is I have a town read (you) and a scum read (aureal) and then still two ??

[Bellaphant]

Did you actually read my post?

[Bellaphant]

I'm talking to vander about ranger. There's no need to get agitated.

[Bellaphant]

A)I never said that
B) why are you freaking out now? Genuinely, what's changed?

[Bellaphant]

Oh, am I meant to be revenge voting you so your plan works? This ain't it.

[Bellaphant]

But your plan is the most town thing about your posting.

I don't like being manipulated

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: aureal

I can't see me doing anything else

[Bellaphant]

Aisa, you are the best.

Vander, you were so obvtown the last day phase, I have no idea how two town voted you! You are right about the set up as well: the only good thing is to somehow position to be in heaven, but the optics are really tricky.

GG

[Bellaphant]

I think aisa picking wrong the first time also makes this winable, but she was right!

[Bellaphant]

@aureal, klick read your posts right after replacing in and said 'oh cool aureals town' and I said 'i know, how annoying'. So people clearly do tr you.