Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

[VP Baltar]

i bet it's baltar

VOTE: fire

This absolute ZOOMER is going to ACCUSE ME.

[VP Baltar]

hellbooks: i looked at ur post history and i'm like 95% sure we've met irl !!!

well that's not creepy

[VP Baltar]

hellbooks: i looked at ur post history and i'm like 95% sure we've met irl !!!

well that's not creepy

What do you mean it was at the pre-game scum mixer event.... u were there too if i recall

I don't associate with people, so now I know you're a liar.

[VP Baltar]

hellbooks: i looked at ur post history and i'm like 95% sure we've met irl !!!

well that's not creepy

VOTE: VP Baltar

zoomer madness continues.

[VP Baltar]

i bet it's baltar

VOTE: fire

This absolute ZOOMER is going to ACCUSE ME.

VOTE: Fire
Baltar has never been wrong!

This is a strong case.

[VP Baltar]

hey, VP Baltar. am i zoomer nonsense or not?

You can be an honorary millennial. You touch grass on a regular basis.

[VP Baltar]

Is there more to the ausuka sus?

[VP Baltar]

i can see his soul

O rly

[VP Baltar]

I ... THE SCUM

OMG SHE ADMIT IT

[VP Baltar]

Fire, why am I town?

[VP Baltar]

fireisredsir giving early town pings for the solving

solving is the wrong word but like "trying to advance the gamestate" is maybe the right combination of words

Zoomer content

[VP Baltar]

I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

[VP Baltar]

id rather not elaborate yet bc it's sort of one of those things that is dependent on a pattern of behavior and it's a little early to call out exactly what ive seen so far and how it compares to my expectations bc it's a sort of small sample of posts and maybe im wrong and saying it allows him to adjust. ill tell u later tho shhh

what the fuck is this? either you have something or you don't. if you do, then you should just point it out and if you don't and it's "dependent on a pattern of behavior" then you shouldn't come off so strong because then you'd just make whoever it is you're talking about very acutely aware of the fact that you're watching them closely. this is either horseshit disguised as townposting or just kind of stupid, but i can't immediately tell which

Like, on the one hand, this is kind of a BS reason from fire...the reason it is BS being that fire has a mediocre track record of reading me correctly and I've kind of barely done anything this game yet.

Osuka jumps in and attacks its vagueryness...which is not only the wrong reason to dislike that fire post, it's worth about as much as the poop he wants to put in my pants (not much). Fire can be vague, but the "oh I have a VP read from nothing" is the actual sus part.

[VP Baltar]

mod, I will be semi-VLA Friday through Monday.

My mommy is visiting and I don't know what to do to entertain her.

Will probably just end up shitposting in this game after I give up, but warning I may drop off if I have an actual parental entertainment idea.

[VP Baltar]

lol

[VP Baltar]

I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

That's all you got from so many people discussing you?

[VP Baltar]

I find the fire, skitter, ausuka, osuka group has something off and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like a series of overreactions that contribute to the next. To be fair to ausuka, she's just kind of there, so would love her take on those other three specifically.

Hellbrooks is maybe millennial.

I'm kind of, uh, I don't know the word for it but this game is just like

"wow ausuka is SOOOO awkward lol she must be scum"

"lol that's just ausuka lmao"

like what do i do with that really

i dont like this ausuka post but i like my baltar vote as well

Why are you voting me again?

[VP Baltar]

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

The post i made was like maybe somewhat defensive but the idea that I wouldn't say something like that as town is pretty ???

I also think when you said I was great at town, you didn't really believe that and were saying it because it was conducive to a d1 push on me, and that's backed up by you seeming to have like no idea about my town game and admitting as such.

So you think sky came into this game planning to push you? Not sure how else to understanf the first paragraph

Adding to this: I don't know sky...do they have a history with ausuka I should be aware of?

Ausuka, why do you think sky in particular would come after you?

[VP Baltar]

Ausuka, why do you think sky in particular would come after you?

I feel like words are being put in my mouth here? Is it really that unusual to have ideas of how you might push people you have some history with if you roll scum against them?

You're the one who essentially said "I think you came into this game with this attack planned." I'm putting zero words into your mouth.

[VP Baltar]

I think you were planning to use that at some point and jumped at the opportunity even when it didn't fit all that well

How else should a person read this?

Pedit: hrm

[VP Baltar]

No, there is a difference between coming onto the game with an intention to specifically target a player, and having ideas of things you might used against them based on your history together.

Why would you have a bag of tactics to use against a player if it wasn't pre-planned? Is that how you play as town, with strats to manage different players you have a history with, regardless of their alignment?

I'm confused

[VP Baltar]

I don't understand what you're talking about

You're saying there is a difference, and I asked to elaboratable that point because i dont understand how anyone could read the post i quoted differently ... and well here we are.

[VP Baltar]

but mostly just vibes ig

What is my vibe

[VP Baltar]

I don't understand what you're talking about

You're saying there is a difference, and I asked to elaboratable that point because i dont understand how anyone could read the post i quoted differently ... and well here we are.

Who said anything about 'regardless of alignment'? If you roll scum, against a player you just played scum with, is it really so ridiculous to think maybe you would try and see if you could use that to your advantage at some point?

You said star was "planning" to use it against you. I guess it just feels a bit like circular logic to me. I asked regardless of alignment because the alignment is actually a really important thing to consider when weighing a person's criticisms against you, but you seem to be working from a start and end point of star!scum.

[VP Baltar]

i think there's a p strong difference between me remembering you have a really strong town game and me not remembering what your town meta is like

I think after coming back and seeing that after three years of neither of us playing on this site, my scum game is incredibly different to how it used to be, town skygazer probably interacts with my meta very differently to what you have done

is this elaboratable

I think you would be more likely to either steer clear of meta or read my more recent town games

I don't think you really try and use my old meta in this way

Noting this feels like a bit of a better explanation of your thought process than what you were giving me.

[VP Baltar]

why does everyone think that post is towny?

I don't think think a particular post from hellbrooks is towny per se (though I'm sure I could dig in and better understand my own feeling here.) I think what's townie from brooks is the free wheeling vibe. There is a transparency of to her posting that reads to me like clearly saying things off the top of your head, which is a quality I generally associate with being town because you aren't afraid to say the wrong thing. Admittedly, I think brooks is cool and I'm susceptible to being too easily charmed by friendlies.

[VP Baltar]

But if Fire knows they aren't particularly good at reading you, wouldn't it then make more sense for them to be reserved on their feeling on you? Isn't it natural for them to decide to wait for something more substantive before outing the read completely, because of this track record?

I'm just more surprised they had a feeling worth expressing at that point in the first place.

[VP Baltar]

However, I still feel like the dance game and Ausuka being town there would be seeping in the way he engages with her, which I know has been the case for myself and Fire has also mentioned it. Feeling kinda meh here

I'm not great at remembering details of games, especially when it's been a minute. I have a vague recollection of Ausuka feeling attacked that game and being kind of bummed out. Which isn't really the vibe I've had this game.

To your point about nitpicking...I would actually agree I'm nitpicking here. Trying to understand a person's thinking is helpful to me. I wouldn't say I scum read Ausuka here. I don't think what she's saying about sky is super strong, but I wanted to untangle WHY she was saying that and see if there is authentic depth to the thought process. I'm trying to untangle the ball of people around ausuka because I think that's where the most interesting stuff in the game is happening, and understanding ausuka is pretty key to that.

[VP Baltar]

Feel better brooks!

[VP Baltar]

Meuh, is your ausuka townread mostly based on meta from that dance game?

[VP Baltar]

4. Ausuka's response to the push reminds me a LOT to the early push on her in the dance game, where she was town. The intensity of it, the feelings around it, the counter-scumread on someone who was scumreading her...
Unless Ausuka is very good at replicating this set of feelings and reactions as scum (she might be, I've only played once with her and she was town), to me this just lines up very well with her town game and the general stance she held when a lot of people were questioning her and the lack of backing down felt right.

Pedit: Section 4 should answer this heehee

Hmm, I'm not sure that's a great reason but I believe you believe it I guess.

Fwiw, ausuka is very good at scum and solo carried a game I was in with her.

[VP Baltar]

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

Do you see alignment in those pairs or you just PoE'd the game?

[VP Baltar]

Fire, what's your issue with skitter again?

[VP Baltar]

I mean i think my read on ausuka changed with her response to the initial callout (i.e. in 122), the read changed from a ping to a legit scumread there

I then thought ausuka's approach to sky was p bad and scummy: her approach in 177 is quite questionable, particularly the bit abt how sky was planningyo come into this game pushing ausuka. At that point my read was p solid

On top of that, i don't think ausuka has been solving really

- i don't know what her reads are other than sky, and her response to being sr has been quite flat

I think calling this read 'static' is rather unfair ...

Wrt fire tbh i think i was a bit annoyed he was voting me and that may have been coloring that, i'm kinda over that now tho.

I agree with this and I don't understand fire's strong town read there. I think ausuka is pretty null at best.

[VP Baltar]

i def wouldn't call it a strong townread but there's been things that i think are town

Fair. Relative to everyone else in the game.

[VP Baltar]

To elaborate on what I mean

1) it's a point that fire and meuh brought up, about the dance game specifically - I feel like it's something town is likely to think about? Like, yes they can reject it for whatever reason, but not like reading the game or responding to the concern feels odd
2) it's not just the 'awkward entrance' thing - you have been portraying basically everything i post as like totally unreasonable to the point it can't be town and implying that it is surprising anyone would read me as town. i don't really think that's all that compatible with believing someone is a good scum player.

I really don't understand the argument that the dance game is evidence you're town here. I also think you're misreading skitter pretty blatantly in point 2.

[VP Baltar]

what if we all just took a deep breath and a step back and then wagoned meuh
meuh, are you ok withthat ? just lmk

My preferred lim pool right now is actually [fire, ausuka, meuh]

[VP Baltar]

I think there's approximately zero chance those three are all town.

[VP Baltar]

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

This post bugs the hell out of me, mostly. Meuh's obv pushing you, but idk how she sees Hellbrooks as your buddy.

Picking Osuka as my potential buddy also feels like "this person isn't really here".

I think I'm pretty townie this game.

And the rest are town? Sorry that is a silly take to me

[VP Baltar]

This is likely my last post before my family gets in town, so apologies I can't respond as in depth to the past 5 pages I just skimmed as I would like.

But...

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

Do you see alignment in those pairs or you just PoE'd the game?

Bit of both. I do townread the other 4 more than you 4, but I also skimmed the combined ISO and the interaction between everyone there felt very blegh. iirc either small interactions shoved at the end of posts or none at all. The puzzle pieces just click quite well within the group.

Meuh, I feel like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth about this group of potential scum you posted.

I specifically asked you about alignment in those pairs because that was what I found most bizarre. I think osuka is making a good point about you attacking him when he hadn't really even posted.

The above post is you saying you do see some alignment there in the way those slots are interacting.

But then in these past pages, someone (tris maybe?) is asking you about this and you're like "lol it's just poe".

This I'd why I find your scum list unbelievable. I don't see how a person draws a conclusion those scum most likely break down that way, and I don't think you actually believed it when you said it either given how wishy washy you are on it. Also you're saying I'm scummier but you voted osuka, who hadn't posted. Pardon me? RED ALERT RED ALERT

[VP Baltar]

baltar's probably scum lol

y

i don't believe that he thinks he's been pretty townie this game, for one

he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

lol alright.

How could I think I'm being townie at all, ur right

[VP Baltar]

I don't know what to think of fire voting meuh. It almost feels like a bluff.

[VP Baltar]

Whatever, let's call the bluff then.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: meuh



byyyyeeeeee

[VP Baltar]

Scum power rankings this game (definitive list):

(Town)
VP
Tris
Hellbrooks
Skitter
Osuka
Sky
Ausuka
Fire
Meuh
(Scum)

[VP Baltar]

@meuh, I don't agree with your "logic" because I don't believe you truly think that's the PoE. I don't believe you think ausuka is so town, she shouldn't be considered until later. This smacks of creative fiction. While I do think skitter was pushing a bit over the top early, I think you stretched that very far to an illogical point of ausuka is towning it up. By ausuka's own admission, she is disengaged. That's NAI.

[VP Baltar]

I like 494 a lot

Blah, it's a vibe for real.

[VP Baltar]

I like 494 a lot

Blah, it's a vibe for real.

I just mean it I agree with fire's sentiment that this game doesn't feel super clear rn. It would be easier for me if fire just scummed it up, but I nodded through that whole post
Wdym

[VP Baltar]

Whoops, quoting by me

[VP Baltar]

Mayne it's something like Meuh/osuka or Meuh/Sky and that accounts for the weirdness.

[VP Baltar]

@meuh, I don't agree with your "logic" because I don't believe you truly think that's the PoE. I don't believe you think ausuka is so town, she shouldn't be considered until later. This smacks of creative fiction. While I do think skitter was pushing a bit over the top early, I think you stretched that very far to an illogical point of ausuka is towning it up. By ausuka's own admission, she is disengaged. That's NAI.

I don’t think Ausuka’s “so town she shouldn’t be considered until later”, I just think she’s towny enough that it doesn’t make sense to worry about her rn.

What is the actual difference between these statements because I do not get it

[VP Baltar]

I like 494 a lot

Blah, it's a vibe for real.

I just mean it I agree with fire's sentiment that this game doesn't feel super clear rn. It would be easier for me if fire just scummed it up, but I nodded through that whole post
Wdym

help me out by telling me why you think skitter town

At first I was kind of thinking similar to a few others that the ausuka push was a little stinky, but like WHY would she do that as scum? She doubled down in the heat and it was clear it wasn't going to get a yeet. But that doubling down actually proved helpful imo in trying to force ausuka to participate in a meaningful way (which has been limited). So outcome is + town, even if the approach was odd.

I don't get much agenda vibes from skitter. I'm not confident on her, but I don't see major fault in her play.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Baltar

I hope this is participating in a meaningful way ^.^

lol tell me I'm right without telling me I'm right

[VP Baltar]

Sorry! Maybe if you participated in a meaningful way I wouldn't have to vote you. Oh well

Serious question: what meaningful contributions have you had in your opinion?

[VP Baltar]

im not going to argue with you over which of my posts pass your arbitrary bar for adding valuable content to the game and not being a waste of space because that sounds very unpleasant and also pretty boring and useless

I'm not asking you to argue. I am too busy for that. I'm asking you to explain to me why I'm wrong

[VP Baltar]

I was assuming your angle was implying that my content was dumb and therefore not meaningful. Are you like, asking me to point me to the posts where I have reads, or are you asking me to point to posts where you can argue what I was saying was stupid?

No I don't think you're stupid or making stupid points. I think you're just disengaged, which I don't think is AI. My point is that you're not really playing the game much yet, which is fine...but it doesn't make sense for Meuh to townread you for that. If you think I'm wrong and there is good content there that you think its reasonable for Meuh to town read you off of, I'm open to hearing it.

[VP Baltar]

like there is room between 'super duper engaged and not demotivated at all' and 'if you claim to have a read on this player you are scum'

I have no idea what this means.

I also wasn't really asking for a reads list, but I feel like I'm agitating you and I don't want to do that. I'm not trying to annoy you or something.

It reads to me like you think I'm being super aggressive with meuh, but I was just explaining why I find her suss after skitter asked me to expound.

We can just agree to disagree. I don't think Meuh's read of you is genuine, nor do I think her scum list explanation adds up.

[VP Baltar]

I was assuming your angle was implying that my content was dumb and therefore not meaningful. Are you like, asking me to point me to the posts where I have reads, or are you asking me to point to posts where you can argue what I was saying was stupid?

No I don't think you're stupid or making stupid points. I think you're just disengaged, which I don't think is AI. My point is that you're not really playing the game much yet, which is fine...but it doesn't make sense for Meuh to townread you for that. If you think I'm wrong and there is good content there that you think its reasonable for Meuh to town read you off of, I'm open to hearing it.

i think meuh was pretty clear about the fact that her townread on ausuka wasn't because of her being disengaged

i think this is a weird point

im not sure why your read on meuh has anything to with what ausuka thinks about her own content

at least with osuka he was trying to read me off his questions. yours here just feel like busy work

I don't think you're reading very closely if you can't follow this. I don't have time right now to post by post explain it to you because I'm going to be driving a lot of today.

My point is not that meuh can't have a townread of ausuka. It's that the time and way meuh arrives at the ausuka town read ("we should townbin ausuka until later in the game because ????") as well as the scum list screams of manufactured takes to me. Maybe you believe meuh is pure, but I think even a mild bit of scrutiny shows the thought process is surface deep and inconsistent (do people in the poe have associatives or not? Why vote osuka if you think I'm scummier?)

[VP Baltar]

Why are you voting me again skygazer?

[VP Baltar]

People want to flip me? Who?

I'm at the cheese factory and find this incredibly rude

[VP Baltar]

Wait these are the same three who were camping on me before.

[VP Baltar]

Can we please use post tags? I’m annoyed with going 3 pages back to reread a post someone mentions

Probably the most town thing meuh had said all game. Please put post tags at least of you're not going to quote.

I slipped away from babysitting boomers and I just skimmed the few pages that have posted...I must say I'm not impressed with how scumhunting fell off a cliff after I disappeared. Meuh, skygazer, ausuka, fire all just basically stop contributing as soon as old VP is not here to beat up on. VERY INTERESTING

Should be a huge sign that I'm clearly town here and the people sniffing around my wagon don't have great intentions. There is surely scum in there.

I will hopefully be back tomorrow with some substance if I can get to a computer. In the meantime, get organized and let's lim someone when I get back.

[VP Baltar]

Don't let the zoomers force you to quiet quit this game! Take charge friends!

[VP Baltar]

Also i'm not sure what to make of this wagon being so easy

I would be concerned that meuh and skygazer are basically sheeping you. That meuh "case" post was trash and had more tinfoil than a Reynolds wrap factory.

Fire's "vpb meuh brooks" post is cheeky af too if they're scum.

Idk if hellbrooks is just trolling the game or what, but I still think the best spot to lim is pretty clearly meuh. I could be convinced to go ausuka as well.

I don't think I'm ready for a brooks compromise yet.

[VP Baltar]

Not to throw another bad vibes take into the chat but Im thinking that we could just go ahead and lim baltar

Silly pills OD here.

[VP Baltar]

What's that mean?

[VP Baltar]

im convinced this is hellbooks being cheeky/open-wolfing

I'm convinced this is an easy wagon to push by the same suss crowd who was pushing me before my VLA got in the way.

[VP Baltar]

im convinced this is hellbooks being cheeky/open-wolfing

I'm convinced this is an easy wagon to push by the same suss crowd who was pushing me before my VLA got in the way.

?

Meuh and sky gazer

[VP Baltar]

I feel like hellbooks is townposting and everyone is like "wow hellbooks is scumposting" am I dumb

I don't think hellbrooks is scum. Come to the light ausuka. I can be convinced you got duped by a meuh/skygazer combo. You're too nice

[VP Baltar]

im convinced this is hellbooks being cheeky/open-wolfing

can you explain why you think your VLA would get in the way of scum pushing you

I'm convinced this is an easy wagon to push by the same suss crowd who was pushing me before my VLA got in the way.

?

Meuh and sky gazer

RockyArmsClasping.meme

[VP Baltar]

Lol oh fucking boomer. Here I thought you had some sense finally

[VP Baltar]

And you call yourself a boomer

[VP Baltar]

"can you explain why you think your VLA would get in the way of scum pushing you" was the question to baltar

As far as this, it's obviously harder to fight with someone who isn't there. There was a contingent who wasn't sold on me, and I'm a freaking loud mouth who is guaranteed to argue when I'm around.

If I'm not there to reply, people pushing me just look like they are being opportunistic.

[VP Baltar]

Bro chill

[VP Baltar]

Like, I know im an easy target for scum because I'm abrasive at times. Not always an easy lim, but im easy to get a sizable wagon on because people suss my personality. It's a play as old as time.

[VP Baltar]

Fire, is there a post I have made this game you haven't immediately responded to by calling it scummy?

I don't believe you're actually engaging in genuine discussion here so much as trying to justify to others that you want to vote me.

[VP Baltar]

To put it briefly, no your point is kinda dumb and the exact opposite of what would happen.

Scum are likely afraid to jam through a yeet while someone is VLA because it carries a risk of some townie calling it out. You act like you have never played scum before and have no understanding of risk reward in plays.

It's lower risk to wait until I'm here arguing, call me illogical and snatch up a couple townies who want me gone. Clearly not everyone nipping at me is scum, so there is potential there once I engage.

This is not hard logic to follow in the slightest.

[VP Baltar]

Fire, is there a post I have made this game you haven't immediately responded to by calling it scummy?

I don't believe you're actually engaging in genuine discussion here so much as trying to justify to others that you want to vote me.

i also don't really get this response to two posts where i am not doing the thing that you're saying lol

those posts aren't responding to your posts saying you're scum, they're trying to explain my issue with the thought process that you've displayed to the thread and me trying to work through possible explanations for what you said to get you to elaborate more and help me see if something you say helps make it click that you are approaching this from a town mindset

that is like the definition of engaging in discussion to try to sort you and understand your thoughts

Bullshit. You have been saying I'm illogical and making no sense. There is zero effort in there toward actual understanding. You're not seeking answers to the rhetorical questions you've peppered in. It's performance art. This is not how you engage with me when you're town.

You're doing the exact thing I said scum would do because you can't help it. The opportunity is too sweet, and the reward of a dead VP, too high. You're turning your attention to me now that I'm emerging from VLA because it's an easy route to push. I'm also a useful D1 elim because if I get fully back and engaged, I'm more of a pain.

I'm so shocked this has resulted in a vote from you. Meuh, ausuka and skygazer will follow. It is a very low path of resistance now that I'm here to be made a boogeyman.

Is there a clear or stated reason I'm scum? Unlikely. I'm "illogical". (Don't bother fabricating a wall post case at this point, I'm not going to read it)

[VP Baltar]

[ausuka]
[tris, skitter]
[meuh]
[osuka]
[skygazer, hellbooks]
[baltar]

Meuh is hilariously in the middle of this list. A truly surprising turn.

There is also no way fire looks at hellbrooks saying "please lim me I'm useless" and thinks that's coming from scum!brooks.

[VP Baltar]

Or even starting a vanity wagon on me if you also think brooks is scum.

This reveals:

A) you don't actually believe your own scum list or you would just vote brooks and use that to hammer me home tomorrow. Why make it harder?

Or

B) you do actually believe what I'm saying about me being an easy D1 push now that I'm back and think the group I mention will help you.

Either way, fire's play this game around me stinks. There is low chance fire is town and is this disingenuous in their posting.

[VP Baltar]

Hey everyone, the thing I said would happen is happening.

[VP Baltar]

I think I'm at E-1? I want to post my thoughts at some point today before yall hammer me.

[VP Baltar]

Warning: Longer post for me incoming.

Ok, with that out of the way. I feel like I haven't been able to give a reasonable amount of effort to this game because of my V/LA. I definitely think I've been a bit annoyed at what's been happening because of that, but I am off work today and don't have outside obligations, so I think it'd be helpful for me to take a longer pass at this game and explain my thinking with less annoyance.

My biggest issue this game remains the block of people who are targeting me because I don't believe that's all town driven. I would truly be surprised if that's case. That being said, I think it'd be helpful for me to actually go through a full reads breakdown from my perspective because if I end up as the yeet, I at least want to set you all on the right path after that point.

Skitter

- I'll admit some bias here because I appreciate skitter having my back a bit this game. I had some quiet skepticism about her early because I thought the early ausuka push was a bit fishing, but ausuka's reaction to it made me think at the time that maybe skitter had yielded something. I liked the way she reacted to me joining the push and how considered she's been throughout the game. I don't see many associatives to skitter with other players. She seems to be independently thinking about her stances and reconsidering (even on me) as the game goes on. I feel pretty town on her at this point.

osuka

- This is trickier because I don't think osuka has actually done a lot this game. he's funny and kind of self-aware that he's prod dodging a lot of the time, which I don't necessarily mind. The thing that bugs me a little bit is just the non-committal. For example:

from skimming the thread i think i might have to reconsider my fire read but im not sure yet. baltar is a question mark and so is skitter

meuh feels town but id say thats definitely within the scumrange of most players so ill have to hold off on clearing that for d1

Posts like that feel overly timid in their reads for someone who clearly has a strong personality and posting style. That being said, he started pushing on fire/meuh a bit more recently, which is not the path of least resistance if he's scum...so I kinda like that? I would put osuka as lean-town with an agreement bias from me.

tris

- If anyone is pocketing me this game it's Tris. She's very nice and not doing a ton since she pushed on skitter a little, but her reads are flipping in ways that are almost TSTBS.

For example:

what is the reason for the hellbrooks wagon?

VOTE: hell b.

these posts are like 7 mins apart with only a brief reply to the first question from skitter, who Tris said she needs to rethink on D2. On the face, this is a wildly opportunistic looking vote from Tris...but for some reason I only see purity. Why would scum be so blatant? IDK.

I could be getting snowed by the disengaged play. Town to null.

Skygazer

- This slot is INSANE in an iso. Literally just sheeping opportunistically onto me constantly and doesn't have a reason why she thinks I'm scum? If the scum pair includes 1 active player and 1 lurker, I'd put Skygazer at high equity for the latter. Unlike Osuka and Tris, I can't see skygazer's intentions at all. She has the same opportunism toward hellbrooks as she had toward me earlier in the game (and with the recent vote). Would lim before elo 110/10 times.

ausuka

- This is a slot I probably just need to admit I'm wrong on and being biased toward because I get annoyed when people whine in games. I do think ausuka has been coasting a lot this game, and reacted badly to me pushing on that earlier instead of just acknowledging it. I also think ausuka is giving meuh a pass for ???? reasons and isn't thinking holistically about what meuh is actually doing this game, which I find frustrating. That being said, none of that guarantees she is scum. I've felt this for a bit, and that's why I've kind of disengaged from ausuka even after she kept taking passive aggressive shots at me like this:

honestly ausuka also vanished after people stopped voting her

Did i really vanish

i thought i was never posting meaningful content lol

I feel like hellbooks is townposting and everyone is like "wow hellbooks is scumposting" am I dumb

I don't think hellbrooks is scum. Come to the light ausuka. I can be convinced you got duped by a meuh/skygazer combo. You're too nice

Sorry I think you need a better propaganda campaign

I think my phrasing annoyed ausuka (which was not my intention), and my annoyance with her is more around her reaction to me expressing my opinion than it has to do with her play being scummy. I'm still not confident she is town, but I need set aside the negative interactions and remove my own bias here.

fireisredsir

- Starting this off by just saying I think fire has a high chance of being scum here. I have played quite a few games with fire and I feel like I have a goodish understanding of their approach to the game. I think fire has become a little more spikey as they have played more games on site and grown in confidence with the game, so I'm trying to account for that, but I just find fire's reads this game more than a little perplexing.

I thought fire did not look good coming out of the skitter fight at all. Case in point:

mostly it's that i think her approach to ausuka feels more like someone coming from the angle of "these are things that people are supposed to find objectively scummy" rather than a town trying to sort

the thing that stood out to me at first was what felt like an overjustification of the original push in a way that didn't read like a town thought process to me

i also think that meuh's point about skitter mostly seeming to be taking the "reasonable" path on things is... maybe not 100% accurate, but more accurate than not. and that is something that i associate with scum skitter

There is an over reliance on a very small thing here (skitter's initial push out of RVS), and then a leaning on a point from a player who fire finds moderately scummy questionable? Fire's super power is being very thoughtful and thorough as a thinker. That is not on display here at all.

There is also a lot of double speak coming from fire and lawyering of positions. For example, fire had placed ausuka at the top of their town list. I found this bizarre given how little ausuka had engaged with the game so I called it out. Fire then relies on vibes to soft defend the read without defending it. It feels like a pocketing effort on ausuka that doesn't have substance beneath it.

Spoiler:

I mean i think my read on ausuka changed with her response to the initial callout (i.e. in 122), the read changed from a ping to a legit scumread there

I then thought ausuka's approach to sky was p bad and scummy: her approach in 177 is quite questionable, particularly the bit abt how sky was planningyo come into this game pushing ausuka. At that point my read was p solid

On top of that, i don't think ausuka has been solving really

- i don't know what her reads are other than sky, and her response to being sr has been quite flat

I think calling this read 'static' is rather unfair ...

Wrt fire tbh i think i was a bit annoyed he was voting me and that may have been coloring that, i'm kinda over that now tho.

I agree with this and I don't understand fire's strong town read there. I think ausuka is pretty null at best.

i def wouldn't call it a strong townread but there's been things that i think are town

i def wouldn't call it a strong townread but there's been things that i think are town

Fair. Relative to everyone else in the game.

i think it just doesn't feel like she's super engaged with the game yet

but it feels like more of a town not being sure how to approach or caring that much about anything yet

than a scum doing any of that whether intentionally or not

thats why the skygazer vote felt the most scummy to me of her posts because it felt a little bit like she was forcing herself to do things in a way that i think she'd be more likely to do as scum

the revaluation/walkback afterwards though didn't really feel like the overall thing was done to accomplish any scum goals

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i think it just doesn't feel like she's super engaged with the game yet

but it feels like more of a town not being sure how to approach or caring that much about anything yet

than a scum doing any of that whether intentionally or not

thats why the skygazer vote felt the most scummy to me of her posts because it felt a little bit like she was forcing herself to do things in a way that i think she'd be more likely to do as scum

the revaluation/walkback afterwards though didn't really feel like the overall thing was done to accomplish any scum goals

Idk why she forces herself to have a sky scumread as town ...

fire's play around meuh and myself also feels EXTREMELY opportunistic. Fire starts calling me scum first around the time I begin to mix it up with meuh. Keep in mind that fire claims he is scum reading meuh at this time (even votes her). There isn't much internal logic here that I can see. What I do see, however, is someone wanting to be on the right side of the D1 yeet. I like to think a lot about how scum position themselves in games, especially early on before the game has calcified. What I see here is someone who thinks meuh/VP fight has a chance of going somewhere mildly serious, and they think splitting the baby early is a good approach to land on whatever wagon gains the most traction.

Case in point: It's completely farcical that fire finds me scummy because I think I'm being town. Like what?

baltar's probably scum lol

y

i don't believe that he thinks he's been pretty townie this game, for one

he finds a perverse enjoyment in saying just blatantly completely wrong things when he's scum and then laughing as people trip over themselves thinking that scum would never

What really throws a wrench in this play, from my perspective, is that I go V/LA starting on Friday, April 28th. Fire becomes increasingly disengaged with pushing much of anything over that weekend and that's also when they make the "I'm lost" post (which I do still feel conflicted about because I resonated with that. If fire is scum, it's an extremely smart post to make there.)

I do notice on reread that fire makes this post as Ausuka and I are fighting a bit:

I was assuming your angle was implying that my content was dumb and therefore not meaningful. Are you like, asking me to point me to the posts where I have reads, or are you asking me to point to posts where you can argue what I was saying was stupid?

No I don't think you're stupid or making stupid points. I think you're just disengaged, which I don't think is AI. My point is that you're not really playing the game much yet, which is fine...but it doesn't make sense for Meuh to townread you for that. If you think I'm wrong and there is good content there that you think its reasonable for Meuh to town read you off of, I'm open to hearing it.

i think meuh was pretty clear about the fact that her townread on ausuka wasn't because of her being disengaged

i think this is a weird point

im not sure why your read on meuh has anything to with what ausuka thinks about her own content

at least with osuka he was trying to read me off his questions. yours here just feel like busy work

Which reads to me as someone stoking a conflict from the sidelines. Again, the wedge being pushed here is a Meuh/VP divide. Fire's reasoning is shaky at best. My point is "weird." The point I was making was quite clear. Fire is welcome to disagree, but calling it "weird" and "busy work" is pretty much a steaming pile of doo doo that reads like friend signaling to ausuka more than trying to be substantiative.

Also noticed this on rereading. Remember when fire said they couldn't understand my point about scum waiting to push me until I got back from VLA. I wonder where my subconscious picked up on that vibe.

i think he's probably who i think is most likely to be scum rn but also he's just started vla and it didn't really seem like the most productive time to be putting a vote on him

While I'm gone gone, fire makes a really half hearted attempt to push osuka, which is clearly not something fire actually believes in. it's an absolute placeholder push until I get back. Then once I re-emerge and call out the hellbrooks wagon as being kinda bullshit to push as a placeholder until I return, fire gets bent out of shape and calls me illogical DESPITE FUCKING SAYING WHEN I WENT VLA THAT THEY COULDN'T VOTE ME BECAUSE IT'S "NOT PRODUCTIVE".

Yo, trust your instincts people.

Fire's play this game is just so incredibly opportunistic, I don't see how they can be town.

VOTE: fireisredsir



moving on in this opus.

Meuh

- I'm not going to repeat the length of that fire ISO because I've gotten a lot of the same opportunistic/pocketing vibes from meuh all game. From the skitter push, to the ausuka townread for ???, to the pushes on me. There is so much similar in how these two are playing the game so far that it is really hard to separate if one is town and the other is just playing a really poor game here.

Meuh is also doing a lot of the same legalise/backpeddling when called out. I've pushed on this a bit already:

Current feeling: VPB/Osuka team, if town in there then scum in Skitter/Hellbooks
Rest can be town

This post bugs the hell out of me, mostly. Meuh's obv pushing you, but idk how she sees Hellbrooks as your buddy.

Picking Osuka as my potential buddy also feels like "this person isn't really here".

I think I'm pretty townie this game.

And the rest are town? Sorry that is a silly take to me

Oh the group of 4 I posited was meant to be a whole group, not a set of 2 pairs. I singled out you and Osuka as the team because you two clicked slightly better at scum, but I didn’t look at the connection between you/Osuka and Skitter/Hellbooks any closer than I did with any other potential pair in the group

Okay I can get why you think Ausuka isn’t town but what’s wrong with a Fire or a Sky townread? Both have given me more good feelings that bad

Also you’ve felt soooo off this entire game
It’s frustrating cause I can’t quite put my finger on it but I have intense dread when reading your posts and it’s bleghhh
Why do you think you’re townie this game?

I also find fire's scum read on meuh so fake. For example, fire cites some meta for why they townread meuh. Meuh assures fire the meta is wrong. Meuh then fails to supply said counter meta. Fire then just lets it go as a nonpoint.

i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment

Much like fire, meuh also manages to stop doing much of anything meaningful while I was gone.

Anyhow, you get my point. There is a non-zero chance that the team is just fire & meuh with some very mild distancing between them mixed in there as a safety measure. If one of them is town, my gut says meuh. I have a lot more experience with fire overall and this is just very outside their townrange. Meuh could be bumbling through the game and being overly defensive/omgusing bad positions.

The entire hellbrooks/VP "case" is so paranoid and filled with innuendo rather than actual actions being played that I can't even take it seriously. It could be confirmation bias if Meuh is town, however. IDK.

hellbrooks

- Going back through brooks' ISO, I still standby my point that brooks lacks any kind of clear agenda. The push on osuka is very WHATEVER, but what is hellbrooks actually doing if she's scum? Like it'd be incredibly cheeky when facing serious pressure to keep poking the bear about me. It reads to me as fairly resigned and maybe even wanting to die to resolve her slot rather than face continued pressure throughout the game. The reads list thing is admittedly bizarre, but IDK...it's certainly not going to help her live to do that. Unless brooks is trying to UNO REVERSE people's mindset on her or chain her fate to mine, I have a hard time seeing scum motivation.

I guess I will throw my vote there if I have to save my life, but it's not a compromise yeet I'd feel very enthusiastic about. If she flips scum I'm going to eat shit, but oh well.

[VP Baltar]

i don't think hellbooks' readlists or them changing is especially scummy but more thoughts on the things that are making them change would probably help

lol, fire had hellbrooks as second scummiest on their list. This is not real posting.

[VP Baltar]

I understand if people don't want to read that big post. I do recommend reading the fireisredsir section at the very least. This play is just too blatant to let pass. Don't be lazy please. We have plenty of time to right the course for D1.

[VP Baltar]

But like do you think im incapable of crafting believably and prettily trajectorious reads as scum

No, I think you'd be capable of that. Which is why I don't get scum vibes from you. You're not going to post nonsense and expect it to fly as scum.

[VP Baltar]

i kinda wanna do this VOTE: skygazer

This would be a good compromise wagon if people aren't willing to lim fire today.

[VP Baltar]

Re the passive aggressive stuff, I meant it to be like mostly just bantering within the bounds of the mafia game but I can stop that. The propaganda post I didn't even realise would be interpreted that way I just meant it as like, I actively townread meuh and I am not going to so easily be convinced to vote for her..

I read the points about fire and I'm not really convinced but I can't really respond to that properly until I can get on my laptop. Fwiw I think your position on fire was like easier to understand than your position on meuh. I'm not really like sure you'll flip scum but the alternatives of meuh and hellbooks are like deeply unconvincing to me

I probably do need to iso sky again

Ok, maybe I'm just being overly sensitive. I believe you didn't mean it like that. My bad

[VP Baltar]

i could still go hellbooks but she's funnier than baltar

Too far. Reported.

[VP Baltar]

THE LEGENDARY FIREBALTAR TEAM JUST WHEN WE NEEDED THEM MOST THEY RETURNED

if this was the team it would indeed be legendary.

[VP Baltar]

I found these bits at least slightly compelling. Fire's position could be one scum would angle towards, though I'd have to check out the earlier passages again to get a better feel for it.

When is this follow up happening?

[VP Baltar]

i think vpb is town and won't vote him
i am warming up to the idea of a meuh wagon again

Ack, I was hoping you'd see the light on fire. I'm more confident there. I'd be ok with a [fire, meuh, skygazer] lim today, mostly in that order.

[VP Baltar]

Baltar if u want u can bully me into responding to the fire case tomorrow but im going to sleep soon

I'd appreciate your take tomorrow.

Fire, I see your responses to me. I'm just too tired to respond tonight. Mostly, I think you're calling me illogical because that's an easy response. I might respond to parts tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

This us not a great vote counter with 20 hours left. We need to start making some moves. I think fire and tris should vote and then we need to do some consolidation

[VP Baltar]

30 hours sorry. I'm bad at math before coffee

[VP Baltar]

im gonna break my own self-imposed rule of going out of my way to blow up my meta every time i play a game, but fuck it at this point i need ~something~ to go off of

question to the room: is 941 in baltar's scumrange?

i personally love that post and off of that alone i am inclined to take that slot off of my d1 pool but i am also very afraid of doing that because that's very much the sort of shit that i do, have done, and will keep on doing as either alignment when shit goes sideways next to deadline. that's absolutely in my scumrange and ive gotten away with it more times than i probably shouldve, so i want to make sure that's not super out of character for town baltar before i make up my mind before deadline

yea it is

idk if i have a specific example of him doing that but i know him and i know that if he felt especially motivated to be like "nah fuck it im not dying d1 here" he would pull that out to imitate what he might do as town (he had a post similar to that the first time i played with him, when he was town)

it is a pretty good post though imo and i felt like he was less likely to be scum after reading it

I agree with Fire's assessment. It's possible I could do that as scum, but it would take serious motivation. It took me like 3 hours of rereading the game to formulate that post.

That's unlikely for me to do as scum and I can't think of any recent examples from my scum games, but it is possible if I cared enough I suppose.

[VP Baltar]

Baltar: we should consolidate

Tris & fire: We will push new wagons, you complete BOOMER

[VP Baltar]

Careful fire, I might even vote with you

[VP Baltar]

Good top

[VP Baltar]

What's your sky stance again skitter?

[VP Baltar]

Re; the fire case and baltar

I think the core of the difference here is that your case is based on the idea that Fire's positions don't make sense so he's scum but I feel like mostly his positions have made sense. I maybe overestimated the degree to which I can meaningfully argue this point so this response is probably not going to be that helpful but shrug I said I was going to make it.

I don't think the early skitter read was unreasonable, I don't think it's scummy to agree with a point from someone, I don't agree town wouldn't townread me, I don't think it's scummy to not post much on the weekend where activity was overall low, I don't think pivoting more so away from you while you're v/la is something town wouldn't do. I think that your post mostly just asserts that these things are like unreasonable and I'm not sure how exactly to argue against it except saying I can easily see how town would do any of the things brought up

Given some of this involves you and how people were reading you early game, I guess I'm not surprised this is your conclusion. I think if you were viewing this from my position as a third party, you'd probably see it differently, but that's fine.

Meuh being stunlocked on me and hellbrooks despite all evidence to the contrary of that being correct is perhaps more egregious.

I'm still thinking on my compromise because it's clear fire isn't going to happen today.

(I also need to work for a bit. I'll be back a little later)

[VP Baltar]

i could get on board with a tris compromise

This isn't going to happen.

I have thoughts on this osuka exchange with fire. But I'm not sure if fire is done cooking or not

[VP Baltar]

Ok, where I thought you were going is that scum actually do very often resist the lead wagon when they know it will flip town. I thought that was why you asked him if he believed it was still going to happen.

I find it a bit silly that osuka thinks he saved me, especially when I got the vibe he was still considering me on the table.

[VP Baltar]

i still prefer fire or meuh but tris is next on the list but i gotta think a bit more about vpb tonight. probably gonna iso

Like this post doesn't particularly strike me as a HELL NO on VP.

I find osuka's reaction a bit over the top here, but maybe he's just like that. I have no meta.

[VP Baltar]

Blegh

Use your words

[VP Baltar]

i still prefer fire or meuh but tris is next on the list but i gotta think a bit more about vpb tonight. probably gonna iso

Like this post doesn't particularly strike me as a HELL NO on VP.

I find osuka's reaction a bit over the top here, but maybe he's just like that. I have no meta.

i dont see anything radically changing so that vote would be a compromise, most likely. im not sure whether i should consider that compromise or not but it's looking like a no for now

How is saying "I would compromise there" a way of saving me, especially when we are clearly in the compromise period? Idgi

[VP Baltar]

Meuh, what's your worldview if both hellbrooks and I are town? You seem dead set on that and it's at least 50% wrong. Even fire isn't expressing that kind of hero solve on D1.

[VP Baltar]

I don't know if I believe you that your view would change if I or hellbrooks flipped town though and that's my issue. I suspect you'd just try to power the other one through the next day.

[VP Baltar]

I understand not wanting to be wishy washy on reads I guess. You just seem very certain. Anyhow, all I can do is take you at your word at this point that you'd reconsider

[VP Baltar]

I don't know if I believe you that your view would change if I or hellbrooks flipped town though and that's my issue. I suspect you'd just try to power the other one through the next day.

are you actually so confident that im town that you have a huge problem with meuh continuing to scumread me if you get limmed D1

The dead care not for mortal concerns.

[VP Baltar]

Hellbrooks lane is fucking yikes, ngl

[VP Baltar]

I think I broke my work email trying to archive shit, so I'm here

[VP Baltar]

It feels like the actual choices are osuka or brooks. If that's where we are going, I'm voting brooks because that feels like it yields more info at least. Not very confident it flips scum tho

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hellbrooks

If you're not a zoomer, I'm sorry friendo, better luck next Stanley Cup

[VP Baltar]

i might have misunderstood that actually

Yes, you did

[VP Baltar]

Hellbrooks lane is fucking yikes, ngl

What does this mean?

I don't love that she wants to lim all the top wagons. Maybe she was being cheeky, but felt kinda suss either way.

[VP Baltar]

okay my bad

never get in a reading comprehension battle with baltar, everyone

id take a different approach if i were in your shoes

No respect for one's elders. It is truly disgusting

[VP Baltar]

Hellbrooks lane is fucking yikes, ngl

What does this mean?

I don't love that she wants to lim all the top wagons. Maybe she was being cheeky, but felt kinda suss either way.

I thought that was less her wanting to lim everyone, and more her being willing to settle for a wagon on anyone, since deadline is close and no-lim is bad. Especially since she put herself as a "YES" on her own wagon

That's the cheeky part.

[VP Baltar]

This game is fun

[VP Baltar]

Sweet. Hellbrooks red flip incoming. Lim sky tomorrow. Easy peasy.

Everyone who called me scum can start writing apologies now. I also accept bitcoin.

[VP Baltar]

scum troll all the time. I'll believe it when I see the flip

[VP Baltar]

If you're not trolling as scum, are you even playing to your wincon?

[VP Baltar]

Double uno reverse

[VP Baltar]

I'm being bullied

[VP Baltar]

I can't believe datisi would let this happen to me

[VP Baltar]

Reporting

[VP Baltar]

Okay I might be onto something here. If you convert every letter in Meuh's name into a number this is what you get:

m = 13
e = 5
u = 21
h = 8

Every letter is part of the fibonnaci sequence. Does this mean something about Meuh doesn't "add up?"

Not only that, but if you take out the oddball letter (the h is silent) all of the letters are odd. Clearly this points to Meuh's odd behavior this game. And if you take the first and last letter out, you get "EU." I think this points towards Meuh being European which is a huge red flag.

Something to look into come tomorrow.

Also I can accept being called scum but I CANNOT accept being called European

Scum also support brexit. COINCIDENCE

[VP Baltar]

Openzoomering is the new site meta

[VP Baltar]

More spicy: Meuh and skygazer could be partners.

VOTE: sky

[VP Baltar]

idk your twilight posting was exact same vibes as in dance game when everything was going fast and you weren't quite hitting the right marks in the moment

its a chat maf read and im trusting it this time

and also this time ydra can't yank me out of the game with her before i get a chance to pull the trigger on it

Can you expand on this a little for me? I feel like I only half paid attention in that game. What do you mean by "hitting the right marks"?

[VP Baltar]

More spicy: Meuh and skygazer could be partners.

VOTE: sky

why are you scumreading me again

Your inability yesterday to say anything slightly coherent or even have a mild defense of why you were voting me besides "vibe". I believe you and meuh went all in after me yesterday but couldn't articulate a why.

I couldn't even take the slightest guess as to who you think is scum today (though I'm sure I'm on the list), and then you come in here and post an ZZZZzzz level take and call it spicy.

Pedit - meuh proves my case for me. Start the chainsaws!

[VP Baltar]

Ok

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: baltar

we shouldve done this yesterday

gonna case him tonight

I truly look forward to this not happening

[VP Baltar]

Ausuka is a really strange nk tbh

This is probably the only thing bugging me about my meuh/sky team theory. Only thing I can think is they were shooting for PRs, but who knows.

[VP Baltar]

the only reason to kill fire n1 is to make me look bad. i think thats too obvious though so assuming fire is town, i feel like scum wants to make this a situation where they can exec either me or fire and then pivot to the other one after a green flip

I'm not following this at all.

[VP Baltar]

This is like surprisingly quiet ..

Meuh and skygazer are hoping to wait it out

[VP Baltar]

It's OK I'm patient.

[VP Baltar]

idk osuka that well but i could see them lolhammering esp if theyre scum

meuh also maybe, tris probably not

Oh meuh is scum now. Cool cool cool

[VP Baltar]

i didn't say that

Why would meuh!town power hammer you then?

[VP Baltar]

Concur with what

[VP Baltar]

While we are waiting for skygazer, I would also really like to hear more big picture thoughts from osuka. What is your game worldview?

[VP Baltar]

fire faking a guilty on me here makes me feel like fire's partner is poised to win easily

Wait there is a guilty what?

[VP Baltar]

like i am very confident here skygazer is scum

Why are u so confident she's scum?

hardclaim she is not VT

Oh this. Lol.


RIP scum team.

[VP Baltar]

Where's meuh and osuka?

[VP Baltar]

I will exempt fire from paying the bitcoin tax since they guiltied scum. Rest of you will have my payment information sent to your inboxes.

[VP Baltar]

Fire, why are you wasting your breath arguing with caught scum lol

[VP Baltar]

Rolling scum is a moral failing. You don't have to feel bad

[VP Baltar]

Is there a reason not to just go ahead and flip sky?
I'm p sure she's scum but in the event she's town she just venges fire so we're guanranteed to get a scum out of it even if we're wrong

Yeah that sounds about right
I don't really see a reason not to flip Sky here

*proceeds to not vote sky and disappears from thread

[VP Baltar]

What are you trying to learn here before a lim?

[VP Baltar]

What are you trying to learn here before a lim?

Some people are still reading things and posting thoughts
Though actually I kind of like the idea of flipping Sky earlier so scum know less how to manage the endgame and might make a shittier night kill

I'm going to power lim you tomorrow so you should probably kill me tonight

[VP Baltar]

Ok, now I want to see where tris goes before we end the day

[VP Baltar]

Free snacks win

[VP Baltar]

Tris, can I get an updated reads list from you now that you're caught up?

[VP Baltar]

oh hah
uhhh ill have reconsider things but off the top my head
well i almost want to believe sky here, but assuming sky scum world

tris
fire
osuka
skitter
meuh
baltar
sky

Uh ok.

[VP Baltar]

Fam, it's clearly meuh.

[VP Baltar]

I'm good with mass claiming. Meuh first for sure. Less certain how I feel about the rest.

You're still pretty sus of tris, skitter?

[VP Baltar]

Meuh, I'm just very concerned that you don't seem to be putting any thought into this game.

It's absolutely bizarre to me that the sky flip didn't cause you to think about the game at all or really reconsider much of anything you've said since early game.

If you're town, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously here? Your leading argument is that I, as scum, led the wagon on my buddy immediately after a successful misyeet D1? You see how nonsensical that is right?

[VP Baltar]

What order should we massclaim in ?i would kinda want the order above

With you going last?

I guess I'm ok with that. I'd probably prefer tris going last, but I think that's one of those areas that you and I just fundamentally disagree on, so I guess that's my compromise.

[VP Baltar]

More spicy: Meuh and skygazer could be partners.

VOTE: sky

why are you scumreading me again

Your inability yesterday to say anything slightly coherent or even have a mild defense of why you were voting me besides "vibe". I believe you and meuh went all in after me yesterday but couldn't articulate a why.

I couldn't even take the slightest guess as to who you think is scum today (though I'm sure I'm on the list), and then you come in here and post an ZZZZzzz level take and call it spicy.

Pedit - meuh proves my case for me. Start the chainsaws!

Meuh, I answered your question yesterday.

Furthermore, people were already starting to vote you early day yesterday and I thought you were scummy, so I wanted to apply pressure elsewhere and see what would happen. Sky absolutely collapsing to that pressure as others followed me made it very clear to me (followed by the lies on lies) that I had no need to ever move my vote there.

[VP Baltar]

Ah yes, the classic "it's a giant conspiracy and that's why I look scummy" defense.

lol

[VP Baltar]

You've been shading me all game for extremely vague reasons and a now confirmed scum (who I played a non-zero role in getting limmed) was one of your biggest supporters...and the reasonable takeaway from that you think people should have is that it was a giant ploy to make you look bad. .

Literal ELL OH ELL.

I guess you've just given up this game, which is fine. Just claim so we can get the formalities done and lim you.

[VP Baltar]

You going to claim or not?

[VP Baltar]

Osuka, you good with massclaim and skitter's order?

[VP Baltar]

I'm VT

[VP Baltar]

Osuka go

[VP Baltar]

well, we dont know if sky used her shot n1. i would imagine she would tho. in which case meuh would be clear because sky isnt multitasking.

skitter is pretty clear i'd say.

i would vote baltar here, but i dont want to put him at l-1 yet
wait, how do you know sky wasn't multi tasking?

[VP Baltar]

well, we dont know if sky used her shot n1. i would imagine she would tho. in which case meuh would be clear because sky isnt multitasking.

skitter is pretty clear i'd say.

i would vote baltar here, but i dont want to put him at l-1 yet

EDIT: Wait, how do you know sky wasn't multitasking?

[VP Baltar]

skitter is essentially confirm town. I don't think town would only have one PR.

[VP Baltar]

but ler the op

I'm dumb and cannot figure out what you meant to say here.

[VP Baltar]

if it's been tris this whole time I'm going to have to write a long post game apology to meuh

-___-

[VP Baltar]

ok, so tris is either uninformed or just lying to try to smear me. hmm

[VP Baltar]

when did you figure out skitter was a PR?

[VP Baltar]

What order should we massclaim in ?i would kinda want the order above

With you going last?

I guess I'm ok with that. I'd probably prefer tris going last, but I think that's one of those areas that you and I just fundamentally disagree on, so I guess that's my compromise.

I'd also want Tris last, let's outvote Skitter

I’m a vanilla townie

Somewhere between these 2 posts

Are you suggesting you started the claiming because you came to this realization in there?

I just reread that section and noticed skitter wasn't insisting she go last in that same time frame.

[VP Baltar]

ok, so tris is either uninformed or just lying to try to smear me. hmm

not sure what i'd hope to gain from a lie that's easily correctable

Well, I'm not sure the correction of it would have come up if I didn't ask about it and you definitely were trying to use it to push my lim there.

[VP Baltar]

i've had suspicions skitter was a pr pretty much all game

You mean PR just neutral of alignment?

[VP Baltar]

you think osuka mostly based on the sky associations?

[VP Baltar]

Really? Feel like you were sussing skitter until pretty recently, but maybe my memory is just bad

[VP Baltar]

What order should we massclaim in ?i would kinda want the order above

With you going last?

I guess I'm ok with that. I'd probably prefer tris going last, but I think that's one of those areas that you and I just fundamentally disagree on, so I guess that's my compromise.

I'd also want Tris last, let's outvote Skitter

I’m a vanilla townie

Somewhere between these 2 posts

Are you suggesting you started the claiming because you came to this realization in there?

I just reread that section and noticed skitter wasn't insisting she go last in that same time frame.

I was fine with starting the claiming either way, so no. But I would've nudged more when it came to the order the rest of the claiming would've been done if I hadn't realized Skitter was PR. Skitter had already mentioned her preference for claiming last either way
What made me realize she was PR wasn't really anything she said between those posts (though it did also point to it), it was more the very start of the day which I think was pretty clearly coming from a PR when I reread it

You were rereading the start of the day between those posts?

[VP Baltar]

Really, Meuh? Because we were having a very active back and forth and those posts are only like 11 mins apart or something. You had time during that to go reread the day start?

[VP Baltar]

Really, Meuh? Because we were having a very active back and forth and those posts are only like 11 mins apart or something. You had time during that to go reread the day start?

...look at the date on both of the posts

Lol I'll see myself out then

[VP Baltar]

It looks like I was at e-1 with that vote, wasnt I? Had meuh not moved, I probably was dead there....which actually looks better for meuh there

[VP Baltar]

It looks like I was at e-1 with that vote, wasnt I? Had meuh not moved, I probably was dead there....which actually looks better for meuh there

who do you think was gonna hammer?

I think most everyone in this game has either voted me or said they were at least willing to.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: baltar

flashwagon go

question is, how likely was this wagon to convert to a yeet?

not very? that feels like an empty-ish vote in hindsight because there was no real push behind it

huh? there was a whole wagon behind it

It looks like I was at e-1 with that vote, wasnt I? Had meuh not moved, I probably was dead there....which actually looks better for meuh there

who do you think was gonna hammer?

Ur confusing me. These feel like very opposite sentiments about that wagon.

[VP Baltar]

i’m going to sleep now pls no hammer

Who is getting hammered?

[VP Baltar]

Seems a bit fingerwaggy but ok

[VP Baltar]

I do find scum sometimes want to be the teachers pet on shit that is unlikely to happen.

Tbh tho, I don't know how I'm feeling about this game anymore and probably need to do some rereading if I don't just sheep skitter here.

[VP Baltar]

I think my thing with tris is there are a couple points like her catch up yesterday or the multitasking thing where it feels like she's uninformed.

She could be faking it of course (in which case, good play) but I think the simple answer is just that she's town.

[VP Baltar]

Ouska, who do you want limmed today?

[VP Baltar]

This might be a weirs thing to say but meuh compiling all of these interactions actually feels scummy to me

I certainly don't understand the point at the very least. I don't know why I should townread her because of it

[VP Baltar]

I'm going to try to look at meuh and osuka again today and then I'm voting. This game is kinda dead and I'm not sure it's going to pick up again

[VP Baltar]

I'm rereading Meuh's post as a starting point on the skygazer interactions. Some of it is partnery/could be considered openwolfing imo. Some of it reads like Meuh just ctrl+f'ed "sky" and randomly selected a bunch of posts.

This post is kind of interesting though.

I'm not doing a last minute Skygazer push

Tris was the only one voting sky at that point as far as I can tell. I guess I can maybe see why Meuh posts this: I had just made my final thoughts post and called sky scummy. Tris voted, and ausuka said she needed to reread sky. But part of me also feels like this could be a sign of trying to snuff this out before it got traction at a point in the game when people were kind of divided and displeased with cases being presented so far. shrug.

[VP Baltar]

actually fuck it i'll place my trust in skitter on this one bc i could easily be wrong about hellbooks

i think ausuka is right that if osuka is scum they can probably claim in a way where hellbooks gets elimmed anyways. and if osuka is town no point in pushing them to claim

VOTE: hellbooks

Oh wow

IN SKITTER WE TRUST

Meuh's also correct that this series of posts looks scummy as fuck. Sky has been flirting with the hellbrooks wagon, even though she was kind of opposed allegedly, then they both put the responsibility for the wagon on skitter, even though Meuh was the main promoter of the "hellbrooks/VP" team theory. Big frowny face from me now that skitter is confirmed town basically.

[VP Baltar]

The idea of voting Skygazer or osuka fills me with dread but maybe you're right
It just feels wrong to me

Can you explain why you said this about skygazer and osuka at this point in the game?

[VP Baltar]

shit I just realized skygazer has they/them pronouns in their profile. Did that change during this game? Could have swore it had both before. Apologies on misgendering in my previous posts sky.

[VP Baltar]

osuka is kind of the opposite of meuh. there is very little to go on as far as connection to sky. Very little commentary after sky gets caught out. Sky's switch to hellbrooks D1 noteably looks bad of course.

So if meuh is the sky!partner open wolfing case, osuka is the sky!partner more classic distance case. There is some pushing there, but it's not always very committed and osuka doesn't do much to return criticism of the weak push. The one outlier fact is the osuka vote in a sky!partner world. I can't quite figure out what the play would have been given sky stuck with that vote for awhile and they only switched pretty last minute to hellbrooks. The osuka wagon was leading for a minute there.

[VP Baltar]

and now I have a meeting. Still thinking on my vote. be back later

[VP Baltar]

Meuh, I feel like I'm conf biased against you. Gaaaah

[VP Baltar]

Eh whatever. Fire is probably screaming at me in the dead thread.

VOTE: meuh

[VP Baltar]

Where is osuka?

[VP Baltar]

Tris has had many convincing town slips that are unlikely to be fake imo

[VP Baltar]

You're hard town reading osuka? That's kinda weird