Micro 1080: Brass and Shrapnel - Game Over!

[GrandpaSpino]

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

Good call, GranpaMo spurned me as a potential hydra partner.

Merlyn and Alianna lock town.

ngl drew i only did that to test your wits.

too bad I rolled town this game and u can't be in a town hydra boo u

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

Good call, GranpaMo spurned me as a potential hydra partner.

Merlyn and Alianna lock town.

Nice to see that Hell is aflame again
~b

[GrandpaSpino]

This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.

Something_Smart

Green name = confirmed town, everyone knows that.

Doctor Drew

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Merlyn.

Merlyn

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Doc.

KittyTacky

No posts, therefore no read.

JasonWazza

No posts, therefore no read.

GrandpaSpino

Ngl the vibes here be sus.

T3

Post 23 such IIOA, caught scum.

Skygazer

Post 14 sucking up to the listmod, caught scum.

Usually the scum are in my townreads D1 so VOTE: Doctor Drew. That's not an OMGUS vote at all.

ngl i dont like people who give a readlist like this so early in the game. like honestly whats the point if this is gonna change, like do it in a private pt. sorry, no shade<3

woops sorry

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

[...]

woops sorry

-mo

Oooh, finally I've managed to not be the first to mainslip in a Hydra game, thank you

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

I can't be fooled again.

I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days

-mo

Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.

VOTE: GrandpaSpino

this was my rvs ;(

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I can't be fooled again.

I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days

-mo

Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.

VOTE: GrandpaSpino

this was my rvs ;(

-mo

oh i just reread ur statement LOL

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

isnt it 2 maf and 7 town tho? we elim scum day 1 >> 1 maf 7 town >> night kills town >> 1 maf 6 town >> now we elim 2nd mafia on the 2nd day

dum dum . yea YEA I KNEW I WAS RIGHT

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

-The setup can be seen here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 6_Shrapnel

oh i know what ur talking bout now lol

i swear SirCakez edited this message to include that. that was no there some day ago

but i retract my statement smh

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

holy shit u should the see the stages of emotions i just went thru

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

VIG: Jason

[GrandpaSpino]

im such a good mafia baiter holy

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I can't be fooled again.

I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days

-mo

Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.

VOTE: GrandpaSpino

this was my rvs ;(

-mo

oh i just reread ur statement LOL

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

isnt it 2 maf and 7 town tho? we elim scum day 1 >> 1 maf 7 town >> night kills town >> 1 maf 6 town >> now we elim 2nd mafia on the 2nd day

dum dum . yea YEA I KNEW I WAS RIGHT

-mo

theoritically, this is still true to some extent. games usually end day 2 or day 3

[GrandpaSpino]

omg t3 is in this game???

WTF

VOTE: T3

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

What's the NSG tell and what are you referring to here?

The tell I'm referring to is missing a joke and responding to it as if it was serious, considered a mild scumtell because scum can be more concerned about responding to things in a way that seems proper, rather than in a genuine way. I know that was a tell named after someone, I know nsg tell was a thing, I don't remember for sure if they were the same thing.

lol i knew it was a joke, thats why i said no shade <3

and told jason it was my rvs vote but idk how rvs works for hydra, i dont know if my partner wanted to vote the same person or was already voting someone else etc

but i decided idc and voted t3 instead tehe

[GrandpaSpino]

This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.

@ss im not this naive xD

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

-The setup can be seen here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 6_Shrapnel

oh i know what ur talking bout now lol

i swear SirCakez edited this message to include that. that was no there some day ago

but i retract my statement smh

-mo

I mean... normally i would expect people to know what type of game they signed up for...

I can't be fooled again.

I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days

-mo

Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.

VOTE: GrandpaSpino

this was my rvs ;(

-mo

RVS generally implies a vote, so what even in the hell do you mean?

What's the NSG tell and what are you referring to here?

The tell I'm referring to is missing a joke and responding to it as if it was serious, considered a mild scumtell because scum can be more concerned about responding to things in a way that seems proper, rather than in a genuine way. I know that was a tell named after someone, I know nsg tell was a thing, I don't remember for sure if they were the same thing.

lol i knew it was a joke, thats why i said no shade <3

and told jason it was my rvs vote but idk how rvs works for hydra, i dont know if my partner wanted to vote the same person or was already voting someone else etc

but i decided idc and voted t3 instead tehe

Also Hydra dissonance aside, how can you justify not having read the thread and seen if your partner has voted?

Especially on page 3 where that literally requires you to just iso yourself and check... 5 posts

1. nah i just signed up, sircakez didnt have any of the info on the signups -- but this is ogi and nai so lets steer away from this

2. i already explained what i meant and why i didnt have my vote lol

3. i read the game backwards, i was doing my work and reading posts like 1by1 very slowly lol

[GrandpaSpino]

i just realized i do all 3 a lot lol

- mo

[GrandpaSpino]

thank u for making me analyze my own playstyle -- geninuely

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

1. nah i just signed up, sircakez didnt have any of the info on the signups -- but this is ogi and nai so lets steer away from this

I mean given your just flat out lying i disagree that this is NAI at all.

The post sircakez made for the setup literally has the setup link in it.

3. i read the game backwards, i was doing my work and reading posts like 1by1 very slowly lol

Why the hell would you read backwards?

I mean i can see what you mean now... but that just seems weird.

how am i lying. i must have not read it properly or some shit. i literally just saw a 9 player setup and signed up, and that was that -- never looked at the post ever again haha

in retrospect, ik i should have looked at the setup more in depth, but i have done this for like the past 3 games i played.

ik this is wifom but i think its easier for scum!me to have just not been caught up wit this mess instead of just fabricating all of it lol

and idk i thought everyone reads the game backwards. i usually hop around in different places looking at differnt players progression, and if i wanna read the game progression i read backwards, and then read forwards depending on if there is merit somewhere

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

Did you read your role PM?

yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xD

[GrandpaSpino]

Side note does anyone know how to selectively quote part of a post on mobile

im tryna figure thsi out too -- i dont think u can. i tried highlighting it with the blue thing but that doesnt work. in some sites u can just highlight it and click the quote button and it would quote what u highlighted instead of the automatic quote button that pops up when u highlight

[GrandpaSpino]

Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

[GrandpaSpino]

Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

Aree you just trying to divert the heat from Jason now?

What a weird thing to call out KT on.

dude u literally played with me as scum and as town. u should know me idc about diverting lol because jason is gonna reply to me saying the same shit

[GrandpaSpino]

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

-mo

Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.

And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.

that was def a core memory lol

but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes

[GrandpaSpino]

Aree you just trying to divert the heat from Jason now?

What a weird thing to call out KT on.

It is weird for sure, but what heat is on Jason that they would be diverting?

Oh, I meant Jason was giving Mo some of the business.

And then Mo said 'Hey look over here at KT!'

The business eh. More like Jason has been playing a game of finding curiosities, don't see why Mo can't play it too.

Well, unless you want to make sure Jason has a spotlight to point. You sure did inject the narrative that ''the heat'' from Jason is not all smoke, otherwise why the need to divert right?

VOTE: Doc

I don't think this was shading.

Yeah, that's what I mean by Drew injecting a narrative

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

I don't think this was shading.

Why not?

'cuz there is no incriminating content included? Frankly it's hard to understand how it

could

be shading

[GrandpaSpino]

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

-mo

Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.

And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.

that was def a core memory lol

but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes

Well I mean Jason specifically I doubt I could pocket. But yes am more of a shit poster.

But I don't see why you don't think Jason's concerns were valid, especially if they never played with you.

And I still don't get why you think KT's interlude with Jason is so sketch.

[GrandpaSpino]

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

-mo

Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.

And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.

that was def a core memory lol

but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes

Well I mean Jason specifically I doubt I could pocket. But yes am more of a shit poster.

But I don't see why you don't think Jason's concerns were valid, especially if they never played with you.

And I still don't get why you think KT's interlude with Jason is so sketch.

i swear i replied to this but i was saying

is that i never said jasons claim wasnt valid. i think knowing my playstyle its funny. however the only not valid thing is the ogi/nai thing. and i want to steer away from that especially when i was warned about that from another game.

and kt's thing. its just such a peculiar thing... i dont rlly see it more as sketch but as very interesting and should be taken into thought later on when we are doing pair associations. like how would u remember such a small detail in a wiki from a year ago? would u? ik i wouldnt -- therefore i said what i said

[GrandpaSpino]

I don't think this was shading.

yup. ur 100 percent right. just a cool interesting thought

[GrandpaSpino]

And Jason, was less about you and more about how Mo moved off you and tried to make KT look sketch.

drew. the thing is -- it was never a thing to make KT to look sketch so your point is eh. it still defeats the purpose that jason has all the right to push me all they want.

[GrandpaSpino]

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

Did you read your role PM?

yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xD

I was going to call this town since everyone knows what a mafia goon is, but I guess maf have a factional doc/RB too this game.
Meh, it's still good enough for a page 5 townlean.

I wholeheartedly disagree that it's a townlean thing, this more seems like the excuse a Mafia member would make after having gone into this game having gotten Mafia, and not questioned anything being abnormal (Like seriously, how would you get Vig/Bomb/Supersaint and then have gone on to say that this game is going to be a 2 day game.)

Like Vig is really obvious to call out as not just a 2 day game, surely if you get bomb, you read your role PM enough to know that there's a possibility for a 1 day, and Supersaint should also tip you off that something is up in this game.

The one role that makes sense to just not question the status quo is Mafia (I will give Supersaint to a supremely lesser degree, but surely you should get a tip off as a supersaint).

jason. i like you and i like this.

now let me fuck with you. what does supersaint do?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Mind you, it seems like bianco wrote that one. I am beginning to understand your views on hydras lol.

the difference is , is that bianca will always capaitilize and be formal

i on the other hand dont care. i think this is a more elegant duo <3

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Yeah no this is a they are telling the truth as scum, but the truth don't make sense if you look at the possible PM's, outside of them having basically scum slipped.

im so confused.

how is anything i have talked about role pms alignment indictative. like from my pov, i could have done this as town, not geninuly knowing my role INFO until u said something. i knew my role name because i had to confirm it, i just didnt read any of what it is. and then from my pov, i could have done this as scum, trying to fake a townslip? but i dont understand why i would get myself in that mess in the first place knwoing you were already pressuring me

in fact, to give you more context, i didnt even know mafia goon had the rb / doc ability till i read the wiki for the 2nd time. im not saying this to give me a town cred, its just for u to move on because this is discussion that is not gonna progress us lol

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

Why does this matter? How is this AI?

do u know what will progress us tho?

pressuring this sheep. <3

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

get used to being disappointed in my play! my vote on Grandpa isn't RVS if that means anything

I never see the point of this stuff, like how does playing like this end up being fun?

jason. i like you and i like this.

now let me fuck with you. what does supersaint do?

-mo

why would you like this if your argument is that i'm misrepresenting you (to some extent in that you are clearly implying you are town)?

how is anything i have talked about role pms alignment indictative. like from my pov, i could have done this as town, not geninuly knowing my role INFO until u said something. i knew my role name because i had to confirm it, i just didnt read any of what it is. and then from my pov, i could have done this as scum, trying to fake a townslip? but i dont understand why i would get myself in that mess in the first place knwoing you were already pressuring me

in fact, to give you more context, i didnt even know mafia goon had the rb / doc ability till i read the wiki for the 2nd time. im not saying this to give me a town cred, its just for u to move on because this is discussion that is not gonna progress us lol

Again it comes down to you calling out 2 days as a metric for how long this game will take.

You get Vig, and think we will lim scum first day, surely you think then that it should only take 1 (unless your implying you read the part where it's possible your firing blanks, at which point you have to think about what this setup contains.)

You get Bomb, Bomb is non-standard, so i assume you at least read part of the Role PM and will have read this (Quote is from the wiki)

If you are successfully shot at night

(Blank Vig targets don't count)

, the player to shoot you will also die.

this has so many implications about killing roles, that you probably have to figure out that this game is going to be high kill count and go with 1 day as well.

Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.

That said also given that, i think it's better to deal with something like that at night anyway, hence the move off of the vote and trying to get information elsewhere.

ah i understand now. the two days thing was me still uninformed so it should make sense that a 7v2 mountanious game would end up being played in 2 days. i also think you are overthinking it -- the oirignal context of what that quote was said was in a joke and i never took it some serious thought. like the former, i was just thinking of 2 maf and 7 vt which i knew wasnt and isnt the case and thats why i said i wasnt rlly being serious wit it -- u might just overlooking it.

and i like u and i like this because u overanalyzing shit seems towny. i dont think u are misrepresenting me. i think you are just overlooking the problem and i like that -- because it makes u from town look credible especially when u said this is ur first time back in a long time.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

Why does this matter? How is this AI?

do u know what will progress us tho?

pressuring this sheep. <3

-mo

???

u reminding me of my history teacher who just puts "???" all over my essays in red /black ink . stop this nonsense

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.

i forgot to continue my line of thought even more with my earlier quote but for some reason it got cut off.

i understand you though. i looked over it and thought about the mech -- we should talk more about this because i think its best for us town to come with a mech strat if possible --

i don't think there is ever a possibility of this game ending in one day at all anyways regardless of any role combinations. there are better odds of scum not being found then town not being killed during the night >> this implies town will always most likely die at night if scum plays to their wincon. for the game to end in one day it would have to be getting one scum in this day which is a 1/9 chance and for scum to die during the night which is another fractional probability. or both scum during the night which is another fractional probability. thats why out of all the games played >> most of half got till day 3 or endgame and the lowest day phase was day 2 elim. with another game having scum die during night 2 but town only won that game because scum died during night 1. its possible that both scum die but it is very unlikely and if we wanna rlly win in day 1, our wincon is to get scum out on day 1 and devise a strat depending on if the day 1 flips scum or not.

if they flip scum >>

x player target x player
x player and so on etc...

and if they flip town

then x player target x player and so on etc...

i think the general idea is that if they flip town, everyone does rotational target where player a targets player b and player b targets player c and so on and if they flip scum, we can risk for a general consensus on who shoots the scummiest person (you would always have 2 people on one person) and if we wanna have multiple scumreads / targets , we will have 2 people on another person >> this makes it so that target always dies regardless of the possible rb. the only downside is elimming the bomb . i believe scum is always inclined to claim bomb if they are being the ones targeted so they can be avoided from target but idk i need ur thoughts about this

also we should always have the scummiest person hammer fwiw

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

This defense of his hydra partner seems off. It feels like an after-the-fact justification of Mo’s scummy behavior more than anything else.

What do you expect them to do then exactly?

Because as a hydra they do know their alignment and can defend them based on that.

That’s fair. I guess it’s more that Mo didn’t defend himself and instead had his hydra partner defend him.

m8 i already have and agreed with kitty tacky who even admits its not me tryna "divert" attention.

i already told drew that idc because jason will still continue to respond to me just like a how a reg mafia game works. u quote something, respond to it and expect a response from the person. (if you havent noticed already from this conversation that we are having about something else that is more relevant than me talking about how interesting it is for someone to call out a small detail from a year ago)

keep reading or dont say anything lol

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them

i have been responding to 3 people at the same time. please give me some time.

i havent even payed attention to u yet. why r u scumreading me? if its not something that hasnt been said, i probably found it irrelevant to keep talking about it if someone else is talking to me about it rn

[GrandpaSpino]

grandpa doubling down on the usage of "ngl" is deeply concerning. why do they feel the need to keep iterating they're not gonna lie? kinda sus ngl

dude i have like reread the game just for u, and i havent seen anywhere where u scumread me other than this and u saying ur voting me

is this rlly why ur voting me rn?
-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

This defense of his hydra partner seems off. It feels like an after-the-fact justification of Mo’s scummy behavior more than anything else.

What do you expect them to do then exactly?

Because as a hydra they do know their alignment and can defend them based on that.

That’s fair. I guess it’s more that Mo didn’t defend himself and instead had his hydra partner defend him.

m8 i already have and agreed with kitty tacky who even admits its not me tryna "divert" attention.

i already told drew that idc because jason will still continue to respond to me just like a how a reg mafia game works. u quote something, respond to it and expect a response from the person. (if you havent noticed already from this conversation that we are having about something else that is more relevant than me talking about how interesting it is for someone to call out a small detail from a year ago)

keep reading or dont say anything lol

-mo

Why

is the KT thing relevant to your reads and scumhunting? Is it, or is it not?

drew is saying thats scummy because i was tryna divert attention. im saying it is not because im not even calling KT out. KT agrees. this is not relevant to any of my reads nor scumhunting.

[GrandpaSpino]

actually.

it did make me dislike drew more but thats about it

idk if its enought to warrant a scumread on them. as soon as i called them out -- everyone agreed with me and wanted to scumshade drew xD

i just have to see more of their response/reaction

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

and kt's thing. its just such a peculiar thing... i dont rlly see it more as sketch but as very interesting and should be taken into thought later on when we are doing pair associations.

I don't think this was shading.

yup. ur 100 percent right. just a cool interesting thought

So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?

Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.

its not contradicting at all. me saying it should be taken into thought when doing pair associations isnt me taking a jab. its the truth. later on during day 2 or day 3 or whenver we find scum -- town is usually considering taking time to analyze the game, they will most likely find this as evidence if KT and Jason are paired together as mafia, thats if we come to that conclusion.

and it is a cool interesting thought -- i never thought someone would recall someone that deep.

[GrandpaSpino]

are you new @meryln?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?

Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.

I'm sorry can you run me through how this works as a contradiction in your mind?

ur smart jason --

do you see what i am seeing?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

top

but @jason answer me when u see post 149

[GrandpaSpino]

So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?

Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.

I'm sorry can you run me through how this works as a contradiction in your mind?

??? It can't be nothing, but also potentially something later.

thats not a contradiction thats more of a side thought / note that should be taken into consideration for future endeavors. like P.S when writing in emails etc.

u should be judging me based if me doing that is scummy not that i said it itself

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

are you new @meryln?

-mo

I am! I did read my role pm though.

ngl u had me laughing out loud.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I ain't got a clue what your seeing here if i'm gonna be honest.

it just looks like meryln is trying to set up to push me but failing and knowing they are new -- i see this as baseline scumpushing 101.

[GrandpaSpino]

ask an interrogative > state a claim > scumread/flail > push

they did this while knowing i was already being pressured by others about KT thing but makes it different is that not only Meryln sheeps the original push, they try to keep adding onto the narrative with me contradicting.

so idk just seems like they are at the scumread/flail part right now where they aren't really stating they are scumreading me because they do know in fact i know i am town, but they are risking it with this new narrative -- so they become conflicted in their own reasoning. same thing happens to me when I first started playing -- I would try to scumshade, and I was doing it unconciously but I thought I was fully scumreading them and pushing them but to town it just looked like I was sheeping and trying to scumshade.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I have a feeling you are and I are not the same type of players, Grandpa Mo.

Everyone has a different and unique playstyle, of course.

However, it should be taken into consideration that there are some areas or parts of the equation where it aligns either psychologically or in habit.

There are sometimes concepts that are universally known and universally done or satisfied to some extent based on different contexts and premises.

And one like you should not be undermined of those same concepts, ideas, areas, and parts.



-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Okay. I'm going to drop this for now bc I sense in you the ability to argue for pages over it, and I don't think what you said is strong enough to go full blown tunnel on you over it.

Classic scum move.

Gets pressured and gets called out on it and then stops the reasoning.

See, I would have agreed with you, if you had this realized before I called you out but you are only doing this because you don't want to argue for pages over it. [which would have never happened -- I did not even wanna engage in an irrelevant convo about something that wasn't true]. That's why I tested you

im like 87% sure this is scum now.

VOTE: Merlyn

[GrandpaSpino]

Okay. I'm going to drop this for now bc I sense in you the ability to argue for pages over it, and I don't think what you said is strong enough to go full blown tunnel on you over it.

Classic scum move.

Gets pressured and gets called out on it and then stops the reasoning.

See, I would have agreed with you, if you had this realized before I called you out but you are only doing this because you don't want to argue for pages over it. [which would have never happened -- I did not even wanna engage in an irrelevant convo about something that wasn't true]. That's why I tested you

im like 87% sure this is scum now.

VOTE: Merlyn

Feel free to change @bianca partner but im pretty sure this is it unless u can try to convince me otherwise

-Mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I ain't got a clue what your seeing here if i'm gonna be honest.

it just looks like meryln is trying to set up to push me but failing and knowing they are new -- i see this as baseline scumpushing 101.

Having played a couple of games with Merlyn now, i don't know that this would be the case, this feels like standard Merlyn doing Merlyn things, not sure i'd give her any alignment at all yet, but doesn't feel like their scum game over their town one at all.

ugh i hate having to resolve to meta reading -- but i will if thats the case. can u provide me with a game where thats the case?

but isnt this ur first game back so how do u know how merlyn plays if they only made the acc in 2023 of march

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

No this isn't first game back, this is my third game back, 2 newbie games so far since i been back.

viewtopic.php?t=90855 This is a Town Merlyn game (and i had the benefit of knowing that having been scum)

Not saying it's necessarily not potentially scummy, i just think this is Merlyn doing Merlyn things.

This game made me scumread meryln more.

town!meryln seems to be very confident, interrogative but not leading into unconscious conflicts, and very analytical versus here where they are unweary with their confidence in me being scum, joking frequently, and repeating what others have said + adding new narrative from their unweariness of their confidence.

[GrandpaSpino]

Let's not get sidetracked into talking about PR meta/strategy. We all love to do it regardless of alignment, but I've come to realize that it a) distracts us from scumhunting and b) lets scum hide by looking like they've got a lot to say, but with none of it focused on hunting.

[from the newbie game]
come on, where have u seen merlyn post something like this in this game so far lol

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'd argue that it's a bit different in the Newbie setup rather then this setup, simply put all of us are a PR, we don't have VT's that can be outed in any way, rather, the most you can out is what side of the coin you end up on (Vig or Bomb/Super saint) and i don't think this is a valid comparison.

good thought but i disagree. if you get something like a scum role, which i am thinking that meryln is in the case here

then they are a goon + with added mech. mafia here is basically a vanilla role their pov.

also most of their pov and reasoning comes from unrelated mech play but instead scum reasoning and logic so i dont think how the setup design if its pr role madness or even a mountanious setup because this would lead to the same conclusion.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

grandpa also feels overly defensive

bruh where do yall get this info from?

do u mean aggressive? im not defending anyone lol what r u on about?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them

What is there to respond to?

That's just like me now saying that i scum read for example, Alianna, and just not saying anything but expecting a response anyway.

Like ok, you have an unbacked up thought, back it up with something and maybe it's response worthy.

generally i feel like town ppl are more like willing to ask "why" while scum generally ignore it and hope it goes away

at least thats what i do

ok thats what i did. are u gonna answer me now?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

town:

GrandpaSpino (GrandpaMo and biancospino hydra)
JasonWazza
KittyTacky

null:

Alianna
Something_Smart

scum:


Doctor Drew
Skygazer
T3
Merlyn


this isnt in any particular order but this is how i see things rn [these are also not on a spectrum]

rn 2 scum reside in the scum circle. for null -- they need more info. and i like my town circle. kt and jason follows both a town mentality that alligned with mine. + similar thoughts

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

You read that whole game and wrote up a post in under 5 minutes, huh? Or did you maybe scan for something that you thought made me scum (even though you hate meta)?

I joke in all my games (except my very first, I was too nervous lol), mafia is fun!

Is your scum list really just everyone who has said something to question you?

no i just read the beginning because we are only post 180.

can u show me a maf/town game of you that is better representative of how you are playing now?

and no my scumlist consist of people with disorganized thoughts, slackers, and inconsistency.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I was going to call this town since everyone knows what a mafia goon is, but I guess maf have a factional doc/RB too this game.
Meh, it's still good enough for a page 5 townlean.

I think I would agree, but I believe all bets are off for whether GrandpaMo would do something that makes any sense as scum.

It's been a while but I played a game where I was scum with him and he did some real dumb shit that got himself killed.

what? we were scum together

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

We were, that's what I meant by "I was scum with him", sorry if that wasn't clear.

Also I did go back look at that game for some context, and there was more method to your madness than I remembered. You slipped some TMI trying to defend Victorine but then actually made an effort to come up with a claim that would have explained it.

oh my how do u remember that holy. how do yall remember these things? can u pls link me to that game? lemme analyze my own playstyle LOL

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Classic scum move.

Gets pressured and gets called out on it and then stops the reasoning.

I don't know. I can see that being a town thought process. Especially since the thing you are currently accusing Merlyn of is very similar to the thing that you did when Merlyn brought up your supposed contradiction-- you said the KT thing was a big deal and potentially noteworthy, but also acknowledged that KT said it was nothing and agreed that it was irrelevant yourself.

It is a valid mode of reasoning for a townie to make an argument, receive pushback against that argument, and then decide that maybe what they saw isn't as big a deal as they thought.

I see what u mean . but when did I say the kt was a big thing? I was specifically referring to how Merlyn might see it. because i have been sticking to only one claim which is what u said, that it was irrelevant.

I need to check back when I get back on my computer.

here for reminder.

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

viewtopic.php?t=88188

That game was... highly memorable. Though I did have to go back and reread the scum PT to remember some of the details of what/when you claimed.

oh THAT GAME. the game where i like to give credit to getting rc to mod

when one our scumpartner sold us and one was afk

ofc i had to bs our way out of there because vic didnt tell us any info or something lol i remember it now. this is where sakura used their amazing power at the end

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I see what u mean . but when did I say the kt was a big thing? I was specifically referring to how Merlyn might see it. because i have been sticking to only one claim which is what u said, that it was irrelevant.

The post that Merlyn brought up as you saying it could be relevant later for interactions, 119. I think I can see what you were going for with that post but I can understand how Merlyn might have interpreted it the way she did.

i understand where meryln is going too but at the same time they are calling it a contradiction -- looking back at it, i dont think contradiction was the right word for it and idk if merlyn knows that. however, i still clarified and explaine what i meant multiple times -- its something that shouldnt be taken into big thought because i was just rlly focusing on how it meant for the future if u solve jason + merlyn as both mafia, then that post in RETROSPECT would make sense. ik it may seem confusing, but thinking bout it, i usually tend to do that a lot -- displace reads before they do occur -- i realized it helps me grasp future insight, its like if my private pt was made public on this thread -- if that makes sense.

[GrandpaSpino]

You read that whole game and wrote up a post in under 5 minutes, huh? Or did you maybe scan for something that you thought made me scum (even though you hate meta)?

I joke in all my games (except my very first, I was too nervous lol), mafia is fun!

Is your scum list really just everyone who has said something to question you?

I'm starting to see what Mo is seeing about you that's all. Jason is green in that list...

Just lemme ask you, as clearly you see"defensiveness", how come Hyde needs to be defensive about an argument coming forth from someone who they don't think "has said something to question" us?
(Or, @drew, am I Hyde and Mo Jekill? Idk)

Of course...

[GrandpaSpino]

Oh, I kind of mixed up Merlyn and Sky toghether...
No matter, my point still mostly stands. It's just a lie.

[GrandpaSpino]

Merlyn, just to check, are you scum reading GrandpaSpino?

Or is this more gauging reactions?

Not really, or I'd be voting them. This stuff is too small to be AI already.

We're on page 9 though. I don't really think you need much solid of an evidence to justify a vote so early

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

I agree with this, but I'm not leaning scum for you rn.

It's a bit odd then how you're poisoning the well about us. Like how you're putting forth a barely veiled accusation of OMGUS here.

Is your scum list really just everyone who has said something to question you?

Or that Mo's trying to use meta maliciously.

You read that whole game and wrote up a post in under 5 minutes, huh? Or did you maybe scan for something that you thought made me scum (even though you hate meta)?

[GrandpaSpino]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

um its literally been less than 24 hours and my partner is vla so

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

So here's the deal. I don't read GS as scum right now bc when I looked at their answers and accusations, they strike me as coming from blustery town.
BUT I COULD BE WRONG. Because we're actually not far into this game. So yeah, when I see inconsistencies, poor reasoning or things that might later mean something, I point them out.

GMo is never going to answer "actually yes, I just scanned the game looking for an excuse to scumread you instead of making a fair analysis". And they're not really solving-minded, or they'd be directed at others ("hey, does anyone else think GMo's meta scan was bullshit?")

This was absolutely directed at other town reading along and thinking that GS had actually read that game. This isn't Jeopardy, I shouldn't have to put the answer in a form of a question!

This is the bottom line. I found some things I didn't like in GMo's posts. They're small, and everyone here should know that they're not really enough to build a case on. But they did happen. And at some point in the future, if they keep happening, they might not be so small anymore. But that's not the case right now.

and why havent we voted meryln yet?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

@Merlyn, your vote was never this super sticky with regards to RVS votes, is there a reason you aren't at least using it more for pressure like you normally do, and hell is there a reason for the general stickiness of your reads in that, it feels like at least in your past 2 games, you were actually using your vote with the questions like this, rather then letting them flop like a wet noodle with this sort of post.

LOL Well I definitely wasn't trying to do any noodle flopping. I don't enjoy interacting with folks on this site who will argue with you endlessly and escalate till you're in a battle for pages with them and I could see that's how it was going to go with GS. I'm not someone who will be having a 5-page fight in these games regardless of alignment. It's not fun for me and I play here for fun.

nah -- i hate that shi too -- it gets annoying to talk about petty stuff and stuff that wont progress the game. thats what it feels like coming from u

-mo

pedit: dont steal my idea >:(

[GrandpaSpino]

Like, I don't even have a good idea about who to vote for rn, and that's because the game is only about GS and I while scum lurks in the background and takes advantage of what was likely a TvT spat.

probably the only good townish post u have made so far lol

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Yeahhh, sorry about the inactivity.
I'm finding this game a little difficult to get into.
Could have something to do with the fact that the hydra's got ~30% of the posts in the thread and it feels like a lot of us are just spectators (myself included, that's not an accusation).
Maybe it's just because, like I said, I haven't really gotten into the game, but a lot of the stuff we're bickering about also feels pretty NAI.
Merlyn wagon is pretty meh.

Yeah, I get that but we have to get content going somehow. What do you think of GS's mech strat they outlined earlier in 134? This question is open to anyone btw.

Some of it's going over my head maybe. The first paragraph is about if we can win in one day, which I skipped through bc I don't care about that. But the rotational part is what I'm not sure I get.

thank u for bringing that up

i was gonna do it eventually

and the rotational targeting is just the default that everyone results to in a game of pr madness to eventually resolve prs during the night -- if u can think of something better pls tell me but planned night actions should always be the plan here

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

um its literally been less than 24 hours and my partner is vla so

-mo

I apologize, but I see your last post as on the 15th and I also didn't see any VLA notices so

oh its been that long? game must have been inactive then lol

sorry

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

And to clarify, is it that you think my plan is actually likely to do more harm than good or is it just a bias towards SRing me?

No I am just over tired and am struggling to understand the benefit of it.

Not saying there isn't a benefit, I think I just need it to be explained to me like I am 5.

Group 1 = Vig/Blank Vig
Group 2 = Bomb/SS

In this setup, we've got a 25% chance that there's 3 in group 1 and 4 in group 2, a 50% chance that there's 4 in group 1 and 3 in group 2, and a 25% chance that there's 5 in group 1 and 2 in group 2. And of course, there's always 2 mafia goons, so there's 2 extra claims regardless of what setup we're actually in.
The placement of the extra claims might end up being important. Depending on the numbers, we can gain information on what the scum might have claimed. There is a chance we gain nothing of use, a chance we can confirm one of the groups contains at least one scum, and a smaller chance we can confirm one of the groups contains both scum. I'm not going to go through possible setups/outcomes/strategies unless I need to, scum can do the work themselves.
I'm not dead-set on doing this, it's just an idea.

I'll need do do some actual EV estimates before being sure this is a bad idea (which I don't have the time nor the willpower to do now) but I did scribble some caveman computation myself and:

• doing this would drop the chances of the killing mafioso blowing up tonight from 1/4*4/14+1/2*3/14+1/4*2/14~0.214 to 0 (assuming the mafia not to shoot in group 2 for fear of bombs)
  
• the added information would increase the chance of limming mafia today very slightly. Making no assumptions on the probabilities that mafia picks a claiming strategy over another, and making the assumption that my scribbles are correct,
  1. if the claims don't even permit to determine that a group has at most 1 scum in it, we gain nothing.
     
  2. if the claims determine that group 1 (the vigs) has at most 1 scum, the chances that any one member of group 2 is scum is 4/15;
     
  3. if group 2 (ss & bombs) has at most 1 scum, the chances that any one member of group 1 is scum is also 4/15 (that it is the same number is weird; just a happy coincidence)
     
  4. if group 1 has 2 scum, the chances grow to 2/7;
     
  5. if group 2 has 2 scum, it's 1/3
  now the last two cases are quite improbable; if each mafioso decides what to claim at random, this would give an expected increase of our chances to lim correctly today of (2/9*(3/8)+4/15*(1/2)+2/7*(1/16)+1/3*(1/16))-2/9 ~ 0.0331. Since the strategy of claiming at random is probably not optimal, we can't expect to do better than this on average and we would likely do significantly worse if the mafia plays optimally.
  Of course, that's an average, it's possible to do much better; but that would be conditional on the RNGod smiling upon us.
  
• and the point is that 0.214 is much greater than 0.0331.

I don't know exactly what the increase in the utility of Vigilantes would be, but I can't imagine it being much higher than that. Based on this (very brutish) computation I'd say that doing this claiming plan would on average decrease the number of expected scum deaths between D1 and N1, which would be detrimental EV-wise. It does probably also decrease the expected number of Vigilantes blowing up tonight, idk if that would be enough of an offset, but it's also harder to say since Vigilantes may want to shoot in group 2 anyway if scum can be there

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

Of course I agree, otherwise I wouldn't have typed a long post showing that it's a bad idea.

I do not agree that it is so obviously bad that investigating the matter is worthless.

[GrandpaSpino]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

um its literally been less than 24 hours and my partner is vla so

-mo

I apologize, but I see your last post as on the 15th and I also didn't see any VLA notices so

oh its been that long? game must have been inactive then lol

sorry

-mo

no worries, I have to admit the game did kind of die a bit in your absence

from ur pov, do you think that AI of anything?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

from ur pov, do you think that AI of anything?

-mo

Not particularly. Do you typically find being chatty a tell?

I am not talking about that specifically, more so, of when I was gone the game went inactive > do you find that to be a tell?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

There's really not much of a defense I can make against 'you aren't as obvtown this time'. But the case against me is not a good one, that's just all there is to it. If I'm the lim today it might be worth thinking about whether scum sat on sidelines or actively participated.

Idk who this was targeted to but I don't think people are scumreading you because of meta. I think people are scumrssding you because of your reaction and how disingenuous you sound. I think those who are expierenced are having a hard time reading you because you are new and usually these disingenuous tells come from new town but are also very much viable from scum

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I know I was harsh on you earlier, and I apologize for that. I will admit I did have confirmation bias, but I do still think you are the vote for today.

I am trying to figure out who your possible partner could be if you're scum.

I want to explore this for right now.

VOTE: KittyTacky

[GrandpaSpino]

I'm gonna make this clear- when you turn out to be wrong, that's on you. It's not because of me or me being new or me 'sounding disingenuous'.

That's how being wrong works, yeah. Somehow I'm less concerned about the eventuality of being shamed for having misinterpreted you as scummy than about the fact I think you are scummy.
~b

[GrandpaSpino]

And I want to do this,

E-1

VOTE: Merlyn

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

I'm gonna make this clear- when you turn out to be wrong, that's on you. It's not because of me or me being new or me 'sounding disingenuous'.

That's how being wrong works, yeah. Somehow I'm less concerned about the eventuality of being shamed for having misinterpreted you as scummy than about the fact I think you are scummy.
~b

This was interesting wording Bianco.

'the eventuality of being shamed for having misinterpreted you as scummy'

Yes? I believe my view on Merlyn is pretty clear, it's not like I'm reading 328 and think "oh noes, what if she's maybe actually town and it's all my fault, better change course"

[GrandpaSpino]

UNVOTE:

I know I was harsh on you earlier, and I apologize for that. I will admit I did have confirmation bias, but I do still think you are the vote for today.

I am trying to figure out who your possible partner could be if you're scum.

I want to explore this for right now.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Well this supports my SvS theory for Merlyn/BianMo.

VOTE: Merlyn

Back at E-2 you go.

Spoiler: quotes

I need Jason here to read the tea leaves better than I can.

And what exact read are you looking for exactly?

Because not to be rude, but i think it's at least clear what i think about Merlyn (i'm not continuing to vote her)

I can't read Alianna, and I always have trouble with Bianco.....Granpa I 'think' I have a read on.....

But listen, you clearly showed in our last game you are legit.....so believing you are town here, I will sheep you for the time being.

VOTE: Sky

Eh, there's some irony here.

But @T3, I don't see why you dislike Drew's vote for Merlyin? You have Merlyn as townlean, so you must feel it was opportunistic, but that can't be otherwise there would have been no reason to change vote shortly after

[GrandpaSpino]

UNVOTE:

I know I was harsh on you earlier, and I apologize for that. I will admit I did have confirmation bias, but I do still think you are the vote for today.

I am trying to figure out who your possible partner could be if you're scum.

I want to explore this for right now.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Well this supports my SvS theory for Merlyn/BianMo.

VOTE: Merlyn

Back at E-2 you go.

ur all over the place bud. me and meryln can never be s/s if im risking to bus my partner day 1 and make a push that would be unnecessary if i was scum. don't forget that im the one who started this push all i can do is just pull some bullshit on you actually and push u out if I was scum and you were town. im assuming you are assuming we are the same alignment

you're probably merylns partner -- ur the only one who's been all over the place and literally said i am not scum because I acted different than my scum game wit u

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

There's also a progression from questioning GS and seemingly scumleaning/maybe scumreading them (beginning of the ISO to 264) to saying they feel different from a past scumgame (346) and questioning Doc's S/S theory on them and Merlyn (349). There's content in there, it's just not super strong stances.
And now I want to know what happened between those posts, because it doesn't quite add up.
@T3 - could you elaborate on how you're reading GS and what changed for you?

its funny because t3 does this a lot on both allginments and I have been wrong every single time.

also its funny u point that out because thats when Drew was implying I was town because they said I was acting different but now say I'm s/s with meryln

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Sorry, been a bit sick over the weekend.

Here's a weak gamestate read: I feel like scum would be less likely to push me here out of fear of being called opportunistic.

That's an... interesting thing to

say

, even if you believe it's true. Since it's self-defeating. Now that you've all but said "voting for me is town!", if we were to take you seriously, then yes, whover votes for you shall look opportunistic

[GrandpaSpino]

I don't like it

VOTE: Sky, E-2

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

wtf is going on

how did we go from meryln to kitty

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I will say I do find it weird that everyone just moved away from Merlyn.

Not sure what to make of that.

we both had the same insight. im gonna move u up on my list

but um yea the day i was gone everyone wants to move away let me read

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'd be down to lim Kitty but I'd prefer Alianna.

I prefer Kitty, but would do a Sky elim.

eh actually u saying this beforehand is pretty iffy -- nvm ur staying wya

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Unofficial VC:

Merlyn (E-2): KittyTacky, Alianna, GrandpaSpino
Skygazer (E-2): Something_Smart, JasonWazza, Doctor Drew
Alianna (2): T3, Merlyn
KittyTacky (1): Skygazer

i think merylyn and doc drew is mafia together. like how do u go from softpushing me, agreeing with me on meryln, push skygazer and quesiton everyone is leaving merylyn lol . ur also playing almost the same as our scum game.

and 3rd mafia is in skygaser, kitty, smothingsmart, aliana

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'd be down to lim Kitty but I'd prefer Alianna.

i actually like t3 for this

+town

i think third mafia might just be aliana they just seem to outta place

did i rlly just gamesolve?

mafia is just doc, merlyn, and aliana

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'm town and Drew shitpushed me, nobody answered my questions that I posed in my post.

i agree!

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

lol sky is playing how meryln was playing in the beginning -- merlyn feels like they can get off now because the pressure is off them

but ik that sky has more expierence but them doing these type of things as a semi expierenced person makes me wanna say they are town

im disagreeing with my hydra partner. but i dont wanna vote sky atm.

UNVOTE:

[GrandpaSpino]

Yep, there's three mafia!

lol i swear i didnt mean to townslip but all my recent games have been 3 mafia games lately - im so used to it

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

then yea my conclusion is still the same. ur probably out of place probably because ur like one of the strong prs lol (sorry to out u if u are)

drew + merlyn is my guess here

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

Unofficial VC:

Merlyn (E-2): KittyTacky, Alianna, GrandpaSpino
Skygazer (E-2): Something_Smart, JasonWazza, Doctor Drew
Alianna (2): T3, Merlyn
KittyTacky (1): Skygazer

i think merylyn and doc drew is mafia together. like how do u go from softpushing me, agreeing with me on meryln, push skygazer and quesiton everyone is leaving merylyn lol . ur also playing almost the same as our scum game.

and 3rd mafia is in skygaser, kitty, smothingsmart, aliana

-mo

First off, go check out the Demom Slayer thread if you want a chuckle.

But game related, your timeline here is all over the place. and same scum game as Demon Slayer? Please elaborate there lol.

Only one of us here is hesistant to vote Merlyn, and it isn't me.

im not all over the place. i feel like i have been very consistent and probably the only consistent person in this game so far.

if u would look at my readlist u would see how the three i pointed as scum were in my bottom scumleans/null

i still townread all my townread people nothing changed about that. KT moved up to a townlean as well

and idk ur vibe is just like the same when i was scum with u . its different here tho now cuz ik im town lol and we are either same allignment or different allignment and im just tryna read u but rn u just saying u were with a push and now ur not? can u help me understand ur sequence of actions thx

-mo

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

wtf is going on

how did we go from meryln to kitty

-mo

Hydra heads: I would love to hear an up to date case on me from you.

same shit and its actually funny because u seem way more confident now probably because pressure is off u.

am i right?

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

then yea my conclusion is still the same. ur probably out of place probably because ur like one of the strong prs lol (sorry to out u if u are)

drew + merlyn is my guess here

-mo

I don't even know what you mean by that. We're all one of four roles and approximately half of us don't even know if we have a PR or not. Which PRs are the strong ones?

im pretty sure u get informed if u are a bomb or supersaint

thats what im referring to here. haha, but we can move on now!

-mo

[GrandpaSpino]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

Got it, will bring beer

Save a seat for me.

Slightly unrelated, I had a dream last night that I hung out with Alianna and Emperor Flippynips. We went on a nice hike.

His title is King Flippynips good sir.

gosh this interactions makes me wanna even scumread u both evenmore

@drew u should know why

[GrandpaSpino]

Yeah so i think i'll take my chances trusting whoever has bullets rather then the town as a whole compromising at this point.

I actually do agree with this.

Idk, I don't. Whoever has bullets needs to hope not to shoot a doctored mafioso, which already means that a successfull vig kill is more likely than not to hit town. And not to shoot blanks. And not to be blown up by a bomb.

If we want someone dead with no frills attached, we need to have them executed.

unofficial VC

KittyTacky (3 = E-2):

Doctor Drew, Alianna, Merlyn

Skygazer (2):

Something_Smart, JasonWazza

Merlyn (1):

KittyTacky

Alianna (1):

T3

Not Voting (2):

Skygazer , GrandpaSpino

[GrandpaSpino]

I mean, we have like 4 hours so I kind of doubt anything other than Kitty or Sky is doable at this point. To be honest, I don't like the Kitty wagon and I want to listen to Mo about Sky, so there's that.

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

Which Hydra head is this out of curiosity?

Yeah, sorry, I forgot to sign sometimes.
It's probably a decent bet to assume that any unsigned post is from me.

~b

[GrandpaSpino]

Let's try something.
VOTE: Merlyn

Any buyers?
~b