ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
-mo
ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
ngl drew i only did that to test your wits.In post 8, Doctor Drew wrote:Good call, GranpaMo spurned me as a potential hydra partner.
Merlyn and Alianna lock town.
Nice to see that Hell is aflame againIn post 8, Doctor Drew wrote:Good call, GranpaMo spurned me as a potential hydra partner.
Merlyn and Alianna lock town.
woops sorryIn post 29, GrandpaMo wrote:ngl i dont like people who give a readlist like this so early in the game. like honestly whats the point if this is gonna change, like do it in a private pt. sorry, no shade<3In post 28, Alianna wrote: This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.
Something_Smart
Green name = confirmed town, everyone knows that.
Doctor Drew
You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Merlyn.
Merlyn
You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Doc.
KittyTacky
No posts, therefore no read.
JasonWazza
No posts, therefore no read.
GrandpaSpino
Ngl the vibes here be sus.
T3
Post 23 such IIOA, caught scum.
Skygazer
Post 14 sucking up to the listmod, caught scum.
Usually the scum are in my townreads D1 so VOTE: Doctor Drew. That's not an OMGUS vote at all.
Oooh, finally I've managed to not be the first to mainslip in a Hydra game, thank you
this was my rvs ;(In post 46, JasonWazza wrote:I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.In post 34, Merlyn wrote: I can't be fooled again.
Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.In post 16, GrandpaSpino wrote:ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
-mo
VOTE: GrandpaSpino
oh i just reread ur statement LOLIn post 51, GrandpaSpino wrote:this was my rvs ;(In post 46, JasonWazza wrote:I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.In post 34, Merlyn wrote: I can't be fooled again.
Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.In post 16, GrandpaSpino wrote:ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
-mo
VOTE: GrandpaSpino
-mo
oh i know what ur talking bout now lolIn post 2, SirCakez wrote: -The setup can be seen here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 6_Shrapnel
theoritically, this is still true to some extent. games usually end day 2 or day 3In post 52, GrandpaSpino wrote:oh i just reread ur statement LOLIn post 51, GrandpaSpino wrote:this was my rvs ;(In post 46, JasonWazza wrote:I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.In post 34, Merlyn wrote: I can't be fooled again.
Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.In post 16, GrandpaSpino wrote:ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
-mo
VOTE: GrandpaSpino
-mo
i havent even looked at any setup mech shit
isnt it 2 maf and 7 town tho? we elim scum day 1 >> 1 maf 7 town >> night kills town >> 1 maf 6 town >> now we elim 2nd mafia on the 2nd day
dum dum . yea YEA I KNEW I WAS RIGHT
-mo
lol i knew it was a joke, thats why i said no shade <3In post 47, Something_Smart wrote:The tell I'm referring to is missing a joke and responding to it as if it was serious, considered a mild scumtell because scum can be more concerned about responding to things in a way that seems proper, rather than in a genuine way. I know that was a tell named after someone, I know nsg tell was a thing, I don't remember for sure if they were the same thing.In post 44, Alianna wrote: What's the NSG tell and what are you referring to here?
@ss im not this naive xDIn post 28, Alianna wrote: This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.
1. nah i just signed up, sircakez didnt have any of the info on the signups -- but this is ogi and nai so lets steer away from thisIn post 61, JasonWazza wrote:I mean... normally i would expect people to know what type of game they signed up for...In post 53, GrandpaSpino wrote:oh i know what ur talking bout now lolIn post 2, SirCakez wrote: -The setup can be seen here: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 6_Shrapnel
i swear SirCakez edited this message to include that. that was no there some day ago
but i retract my statement smh
-mo
RVS generally implies a vote, so what even in the hell do you mean?In post 51, GrandpaSpino wrote:this was my rvs ;(In post 46, JasonWazza wrote:I mean i can make an effort to fool you, it's a good way to learn.In post 34, Merlyn wrote: I can't be fooled again.
Seems odd to me that you would say that it would take 2 days rather then 1 given the setup.In post 16, GrandpaSpino wrote:ngl if this is how scum gonna play this game, town might win in 2 days
-mo
VOTE: GrandpaSpino
-mo
Also Hydra dissonance aside, how can you justify not having read the thread and seen if your partner has voted?In post 59, GrandpaSpino wrote:lol i knew it was a joke, thats why i said no shade <3In post 47, Something_Smart wrote:The tell I'm referring to is missing a joke and responding to it as if it was serious, considered a mild scumtell because scum can be more concerned about responding to things in a way that seems proper, rather than in a genuine way. I know that was a tell named after someone, I know nsg tell was a thing, I don't remember for sure if they were the same thing.In post 44, Alianna wrote: What's the NSG tell and what are you referring to here?
and told jason it was my rvs vote but idk how rvs works for hydra, i dont know if my partner wanted to vote the same person or was already voting someone else etc
but i decided idc and voted t3 instead tehe
Especially on page 3 where that literally requires you to just iso yourself and check... 5 posts
In post 66, JasonWazza wrote:I mean given your just flat out lying i disagree that this is NAI at all.In post 62, GrandpaSpino wrote: 1. nah i just signed up, sircakez didnt have any of the info on the signups -- but this is ogi and nai so lets steer away from this
The post sircakez made for the setup literally has the setup link in it.
Why the hell would you read backwards?In post 62, GrandpaSpino wrote: 3. i read the game backwards, i was doing my work and reading posts like 1by1 very slowly lol
I mean i can see what you mean now... but that just seems weird.
yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xDIn post 70, Something_Smart wrote:Did you read your role PM?In post 52, GrandpaSpino wrote:i havent even looked at any setup mech shit
im tryna figure thsi out too -- i dont think u can. i tried highlighting it with the blue thing but that doesnt work. in some sites u can just highlight it and click the quote button and it would quote what u highlighted instead of the automatic quote button that pops up when u highlightIn post 69, Something_Smart wrote: Side note does anyone know how to selectively quote part of a post on mobile
In post 67, KittyTacky wrote:Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.In post 50, JasonWazza wrote: Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back![]()
this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.In post 68, KittyTacky wrote: My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.
dude u literally played with me as scum and as town. u should know me idc about diverting lol because jason is gonna reply to me saying the same shitIn post 76, Doctor Drew wrote:Aree you just trying to divert the heat from Jason now?In post 74, GrandpaSpino wrote:In post 67, KittyTacky wrote:Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.In post 50, JasonWazza wrote: Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back
this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.In post 68, KittyTacky wrote: My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.
What a weird thing to call out KT on.
im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jasonIn post 77, Skygazer wrote: drew maybe town
that was def a core memory lolIn post 80, Doctor Drew wrote:Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.In post 79, GrandpaSpino wrote:im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jasonIn post 77, Skygazer wrote: drew maybe town
-mo
And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.
The business eh. More like Jason has been playing a game of finding curiosities, don't see why Mo can't play it too.In post 86, Doctor Drew wrote:Oh, I meant Jason was giving Mo some of the business.In post 83, Merlyn wrote:It is weird for sure, but what heat is on Jason that they would be diverting?In post 76, Doctor Drew wrote: Aree you just trying to divert the heat from Jason now?
What a weird thing to call out KT on.
And then Mo said 'Hey look over here at KT!'
Yeah, that's what I mean by Drew injecting a narrativeIn post 91, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think this was shading.
'cuz there is no incriminating content included? Frankly it's hard to understand how itIn post 92, Doctor Drew wrote:Why not?In post 91, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think this was shading.
In post 82, Doctor Drew wrote:Well I mean Jason specifically I doubt I could pocket. But yes am more of a shit poster.In post 81, GrandpaSpino wrote:that was def a core memory lolIn post 80, Doctor Drew wrote:Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.In post 79, GrandpaSpino wrote:im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jasonIn post 77, Skygazer wrote: drew maybe town
-mo
And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.
but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes
But I don't see why you don't think Jason's concerns were valid, especially if they never played with you.
And I still don't get why you think KT's interlude with Jason is so sketch.
i swear i replied to this but i was sayingIn post 118, GrandpaSpino wrote:In post 82, Doctor Drew wrote:Well I mean Jason specifically I doubt I could pocket. But yes am more of a shit poster.In post 81, GrandpaSpino wrote:that was def a core memory lolIn post 80, Doctor Drew wrote:Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.In post 79, GrandpaSpino wrote:im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jasonIn post 77, Skygazer wrote: drew maybe town
-mo
And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.
but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes
But I don't see why you don't think Jason's concerns were valid, especially if they never played with you.
And I still don't get why you think KT's interlude with Jason is so sketch.
yup. ur 100 percent right. just a cool interesting thoughtIn post 91, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think this was shading.
drew. the thing is -- it was never a thing to make KT to look sketch so your point is eh. it still defeats the purpose that jason has all the right to push me all they want.In post 102, Doctor Drew wrote: And Jason, was less about you and more about how Mo moved off you and tried to make KT look sketch.
jason. i like you and i like this.In post 113, JasonWazza wrote:I wholeheartedly disagree that it's a townlean thing, this more seems like the excuse a Mafia member would make after having gone into this game having gotten Mafia, and not questioned anything being abnormal (Like seriously, how would you get Vig/Bomb/Supersaint and then have gone on to say that this game is going to be a 2 day game.)In post 108, Alianna wrote:I was going to call this town since everyone knows what a mafia goon is, but I guess maf have a factional doc/RB too this game.In post 72, GrandpaSpino wrote:yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xDIn post 70, Something_Smart wrote:Did you read your role PM?In post 52, GrandpaSpino wrote:i havent even looked at any setup mech shit![]()
Meh, it's still good enough for a page 5 townlean.
Like Vig is really obvious to call out as not just a 2 day game, surely if you get bomb, you read your role PM enough to know that there's a possibility for a 1 day, and Supersaint should also tip you off that something is up in this game.
The one role that makes sense to just not question the status quo is Mafia (I will give Supersaint to a supremely lesser degree, but surely you should get a tip off as a supersaint).
the difference is , is that bianca will always capaitilize and be formalIn post 114, Alianna wrote: Mind you, it seems like bianco wrote that one. I am beginning to understand your views on hydras lol.
im so confused.In post 116, JasonWazza wrote: Yeah no this is a they are telling the truth as scum, but the truth don't make sense if you look at the possible PM's, outside of them having basically scum slipped.
do u know what will progress us tho?In post 117, T3 wrote:Why does this matter? How is this AI?In post 74, GrandpaSpino wrote:In post 67, KittyTacky wrote:Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.In post 50, JasonWazza wrote: Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back
this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.In post 68, KittyTacky wrote: My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.
In post 127, JasonWazza wrote:I never see the point of this stuff, like how does playing like this end up being fun?In post 120, Skygazer wrote: get used to being disappointed in my play! my vote on Grandpa isn't RVS if that means anything
why would you like this if your argument is that i'm misrepresenting you (to some extent in that you are clearly implying you are town)?In post 123, GrandpaSpino wrote: jason. i like you and i like this.
now let me fuck with you. what does supersaint do?![]()
-mo
Again it comes down to you calling out 2 days as a metric for how long this game will take.In post 125, GrandpaSpino wrote: how is anything i have talked about role pms alignment indictative. like from my pov, i could have done this as town, not geninuly knowing my role INFO until u said something. i knew my role name because i had to confirm it, i just didnt read any of what it is. and then from my pov, i could have done this as scum, trying to fake a townslip? but i dont understand why i would get myself in that mess in the first place knwoing you were already pressuring me
in fact, to give you more context, i didnt even know mafia goon had the rb / doc ability till i read the wiki for the 2nd time. im not saying this to give me a town cred, its just for u to move on because this is discussion that is not gonna progress us lol
You get Vig, and think we will lim scum first day, surely you think then that it should only take 1 (unless your implying you read the part where it's possible your firing blanks, at which point you have to think about what this setup contains.)
You get Bomb, Bomb is non-standard, so i assume you at least read part of the Role PM and will have read this (Quote is from the wiki)
this has so many implications about killing roles, that you probably have to figure out that this game is going to be high kill count and go with 1 day as well.Bomb Role PM wrote: If you are successfully shot at night(Blank Vig targets don't count), the player to shoot you will also die.
Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.
That said also given that, i think it's better to deal with something like that at night anyway, hence the move off of the vote and trying to get information elsewhere.
u reminding me of my history teacher who just puts "???" all over my essays in red /black ink . stop this nonsenseIn post 129, T3 wrote:???In post 126, GrandpaSpino wrote:do u know what will progress us tho?In post 117, T3 wrote:Why does this matter? How is this AI?In post 74, GrandpaSpino wrote:In post 67, KittyTacky wrote:Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.In post 50, JasonWazza wrote: Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back
this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.In post 68, KittyTacky wrote: My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.
pressuring this sheep. <3
-mo
i forgot to continue my line of thought even more with my earlier quote but for some reason it got cut off.In post 127, JasonWazza wrote: Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.
m8 i already have and agreed with kitty tacky who even admits its not me tryna "divert" attention.In post 135, T3 wrote:That’s fair. I guess it’s more that Mo didn’t defend himself and instead had his hydra partner defend him.In post 130, JasonWazza wrote:What do you expect them to do then exactly?In post 128, T3 wrote: This defense of his hydra partner seems off. It feels like an after-the-fact justification of Mo’s scummy behavior more than anything else.
Because as a hydra they do know their alignment and can defend them based on that.
i have been responding to 3 people at the same time. please give me some time.In post 137, Skygazer wrote: i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them
dude i have like reread the game just for u, and i havent seen anywhere where u scumread me other than this and u saying ur voting meIn post 43, Skygazer wrote: grandpa doubling down on the usage of "ngl" is deeply concerning. why do they feel the need to keep iterating they're not gonna lie? kinda sus ngl
drew is saying thats scummy because i was tryna divert attention. im saying it is not because im not even calling KT out. KT agrees. this is not relevant to any of my reads nor scumhunting.In post 142, T3 wrote:In post 138, GrandpaSpino wrote:m8 i already have and agreed with kitty tacky who even admits its not me tryna "divert" attention.In post 135, T3 wrote:That’s fair. I guess it’s more that Mo didn’t defend himself and instead had his hydra partner defend him.In post 130, JasonWazza wrote:What do you expect them to do then exactly?In post 128, T3 wrote: This defense of his hydra partner seems off. It feels like an after-the-fact justification of Mo’s scummy behavior more than anything else.
Because as a hydra they do know their alignment and can defend them based on that.
i already told drew that idc because jason will still continue to respond to me just like a how a reg mafia game works. u quote something, respond to it and expect a response from the person. (if you havent noticed already from this conversation that we are having about something else that is more relevant than me talking about how interesting it is for someone to call out a small detail from a year ago)
keep reading or dont say anything lol
-moWhyis the KT thing relevant to your reads and scumhunting? Is it, or is it not?
its not contradicting at all. me saying it should be taken into thought when doing pair associations isnt me taking a jab. its the truth. later on during day 2 or day 3 or whenver we find scum -- town is usually considering taking time to analyze the game, they will most likely find this as evidence if KT and Jason are paired together as mafia, thats if we come to that conclusion.In post 144, Merlyn wrote:In post 119, GrandpaSpino wrote: and kt's thing. its just such a peculiar thing... i dont rlly see it more as sketch but as very interesting and should be taken into thought later on when we are doing pair associations.So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?In post 121, GrandpaSpino wrote:yup. ur 100 percent right. just a cool interesting thoughtIn post 91, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think this was shading.
Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.
ur smart jason --In post 148, JasonWazza wrote:I'm sorry can you run me through how this works as a contradiction in your mind?In post 144, Merlyn wrote: So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?
Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.
thats not a contradiction thats more of a side thought / note that should be taken into consideration for future endeavors. like P.S when writing in emails etc.In post 151, Merlyn wrote:??? It can't be nothing, but also potentially something later.In post 148, JasonWazza wrote:I'm sorry can you run me through how this works as a contradiction in your mind?In post 144, Merlyn wrote: So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?
Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.
it just looks like meryln is trying to set up to push me but failing and knowing they are new -- i see this as baseline scumpushing 101.In post 155, JasonWazza wrote: I ain't got a clue what your seeing here if i'm gonna be honest.
Everyone has a different and unique playstyle, of course.In post 158, Merlyn wrote: I have a feeling you are and I are not the same type of players, Grandpa Mo.
Classic scum move.In post 160, Merlyn wrote: Okay. I'm going to drop this for now bc I sense in you the ability to argue for pages over it, and I don't think what you said is strong enough to go full blown tunnel on you over it.
Feel free to change @bianca partner but im pretty sure this is it unless u can try to convince me otherwiseIn post 161, GrandpaSpino wrote:Classic scum move.In post 160, Merlyn wrote: Okay. I'm going to drop this for now bc I sense in you the ability to argue for pages over it, and I don't think what you said is strong enough to go full blown tunnel on you over it.
Gets pressured and gets called out on it and then stops the reasoning.
See, I would have agreed with you, if you had this realized before I called you out but you are only doing this because you don't want to argue for pages over it. [which would have never happened -- I did not even wanna engage in an irrelevant convo about something that wasn't true]. That's why I tested you
im like 87% sure this is scum now.
VOTE: Merlyn
ugh i hate having to resolve to meta reading -- but i will if thats the case. can u provide me with a game where thats the case?In post 164, JasonWazza wrote:Having played a couple of games with Merlyn now, i don't know that this would be the case, this feels like standard Merlyn doing Merlyn things, not sure i'd give her any alignment at all yet, but doesn't feel like their scum game over their town one at all.In post 156, GrandpaSpino wrote:it just looks like meryln is trying to set up to push me but failing and knowing they are new -- i see this as baseline scumpushing 101.In post 155, JasonWazza wrote: I ain't got a clue what your seeing here if i'm gonna be honest.
This game made me scumread meryln more.In post 166, JasonWazza wrote: No this isn't first game back, this is my third game back, 2 newbie games so far since i been back.
viewtopic.php?t=90855 This is a Town Merlyn game (and i had the benefit of knowing that having been scum)
Not saying it's necessarily not potentially scummy, i just think this is Merlyn doing Merlyn things.
In post 130, Merlyn wrote: Let's not get sidetracked into talking about PR meta/strategy. We all love to do it regardless of alignment, but I've come to realize that it a) distracts us from scumhunting and b) lets scum hide by looking like they've got a lot to say, but with none of it focused on hunting.
In post 169, JasonWazza wrote: I'd argue that it's a bit different in the Newbie setup rather then this setup, simply put all of us are a PR, we don't have VT's that can be outed in any way, rather, the most you can out is what side of the coin you end up on (Vig or Bomb/Super saint) and i don't think this is a valid comparison.
bruh where do yall get this info from?In post 173, Skygazer wrote: grandpa also feels overly defensive