Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Aristeia]

I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

well I don't think you'd fake claim miller after that previous experience we had

[Aristeia]

can one of the datisi voters unvote him so I can vote him without e-1ing him pls ty

[Aristeia]

thx VOTE: Dats

[Aristeia]

the betrayal :O

UNVOTE:

[Aristeia]

why did you E-1 him?

[Aristeia]

because?

[Aristeia]

She claimed miller d1 and I pushed her because I thought it was unlikely she'd roll miller twice in a row - I don't think it was an enjoyable experience for her

[Aristeia]

VOTE: dats

[Aristeia]

my page five guess for the scum team is skitter + dats

it kind of feels like their early interaction in pictures where they're kind of just fighting about something that's nonsensical and neither is really sorting the other.

[Aristeia]

shea made a kind of passing comment that i feel like gets made a lot in mafia

you jumped in disliking it (which like ok) and asking if he thinks she fakeclaims like that as scum (which like, is A Logical thing to ask but i feel like town-shea wouldn't have been operating on that, he was just saying how something felt, and as if you're trying to make his take more ridiculous than it really is)

his response was to vote you, but not for the weird lowkey putting words into his mouth, but for deliberately misunderstanding (?) (which as i type might even be overlapping or same but at the time struck me as ???)

and then you double down on. voting him. and demanding that he explains why he thinks scum her would fakeclaim and it feels like you're voting him for not being perfectly thought out,, which feels bad because tiwn is not perfectly thought out all the time. then you also comment on the fact he's shading her, which makes more sense as something scummy but also it was just a Passing Comment that again, i fwel like they happen all the time in mafia and you're making a more big of a deal than it really is

it's weird!! the whole conversation was weird being held between two good and experienced players!!

like is there even a conclusion to this? what does bizarreness have to do with alignment?

also there's a bit of false equivalence here - I don't see Shea's reaction as bizarre at all - this is pretty much how he'd always react to skitter's approach but like her approach doesn't make sense as a way to sort him? It feels more like she's trying to generate a townread off the fact that people would think she wouldn't play this way as scum.

[Aristeia]

also that's some excessive pinging skitter

[Aristeia]

if too many people are scummy it shouldn't be so hard to place a vote marci

[Aristeia]

hi skitter what r u thinking now?

[Aristeia]

awww

hope you feel better tommorrow.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: dragoneater

[Aristeia]

What for???

I have a fear of dragons

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:

I feel safer already

[Aristeia]

Nah I don't believe town skitter actually has these thoughts.

Now this is a really weird take. Skitter's posts come from a pretty plain town mindset IMO

can you elaborate on this?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: infinity

[Aristeia]

why is infinity town?

[Aristeia]

i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>

I think nightshade's exasperation with you being disconnected from game state/voting is more likely to come from town who is frustrated w you and infinity's "defense" is more likely to come from mafia who is trying to get on your good side and save you for later as a pocket.

Do you have any other reason to townread infinity other than how they treated your slot?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: infinity

can i get some of them Thoughts on why you voted there

I feel like infinity is more interested in becoming townread than they are on killing mafia.

some of the takes I liked initially feel somewhat performative on a re-read.

In particular this reflective stepback on your slot:

VOTE: datisi i can dig this

It feels towny and in character for skitt to be like "i think this is towny and you should too" or something adjacent to that

also why as scum do we try to divert attention from a 1v1 that is probably just gonna draw more attention to itself

why does everyone scumread dats it's making me doubt the read >_>

-ivy

Infinity placed the 3rd vote and then did this stepback after jousting with you a bit which is ?? to me

nobody else voted for you after infinity did - so what is causing their concern? it's not as if they voted you and then a bunch of people popped onto the wagon.

the only people that I can see in thread who expressed "suspicion" of you between infinity's vote and their stepback/pivot are skitter and myself. so if the concern is that there's mafia who is piling on after infinity voted already then why is infinity not trying to sort either myself or skitter?

UNVOTE: yeah that's kinda how we were expecting town!dats to respond. but also dats did you make anything of 107 having a lot more weirdness associated with skitt than shea? like I know you're voting skitt but it felt a bit weird that you didn't even mention it

we still pretty strongly believe that making a level 0 read and expecting other people to think the same way is in character for skitt

also @shea marci only has 5 posts

this feels like they decided to step off your wagon already and just kind of made up an excuse to do it? I don't really find anything in your response to them very towny or difficult for scum datisi to replicate.

"infinity - i'm expecting you to have different thoughts as town lmao idk. it feels odd to me to not want to likw, idk think something about the argument and instead jump to someone else. diverting attention was probably the wrong word to use but like, if you're scum you yourself don't need to focus on the 1v1 whereas townyou would be more likely to have more extensive thoughts there"

like >??? you're basically telling infinity hi if you're town then you wouldn't do this you should do something else? like how is scum Datisi's response any different?

[Aristeia]

tldr: I think the way infinity voted and then unvoted you in 88 -> 113 is performative and I'm kind of confused why you think it's townie the way they did it.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

I'm somewhat concerned about watching you follow the hydra slot around because it feels like the easiest way for mafia!you to get a mislim early and probably how I would approach this micro in a town!shea/black world - just get on their good side and use them to run over townies.

[Aristeia]

like I kind of think you're a much better mafia hunter than shea is[no offense shea] and like it's disconcerting to see you just be sheeping him around instead of doing your own thing >.>

[Aristeia]

though I guess this latest vote was black not shea but it still feels weird to me

[Aristeia]

no ausuka was stepping back between your vote and the pivot:

I would like shea to explain his feelings about my emotional reaction to things.

I also think datisi feels off but maybe this is a sign we are not graced with the 9000iq presence of scum datisi

[Aristeia]

I'm skimming ausuka's iso and I don't even see where she is expressing suspicion of datisi? I thought it was just an RVS vote and then she unvoted and you're kind of just copy pasting ausuka's read on Datisi being straightfoward from 138

[Aristeia]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

I guess I'm reading "stealing cookies from the cookie jar" vibes into your vote here and you're being naughty

[Aristeia]

infinity it feels like you want to vote for dragoneater but you're concerned about how it will look and you want to slowly walk the vote there but you kind of hope other people will off the slot for you.

because you expressed net scumread316 on the slot - it became viable and your vote is currently uncast and its a y-2 wagon. You think your position in the game is relatively town-read and it would look bad if you voted so soon after Datisi so you're waiting to see what happens.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for dats

maybe I'm being unfair to you because I think about you all the time - sorry if you're town and you find me annoying

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for dats

I guess I just miss the days when you would say to me "hi ari this dragon is evil I'm sure of it let's go kill it"

[Aristeia]

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a scumlean?

I'm saying it feels weird you're not voting when you're expressing like townie feelings about almost every slot you've commented on and this one is a scumlean[one of your only scumread/leans?) and being run up and you're

not

voting it.

like I guess the townie thought process is; usually see bad guy vote bad guy

whereas the scum thought process is; how does me voting now here make me look and is it likely to work?

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for dats

maybe I'm being unfair to you because I think about you all the time - sorry if you're town and you find me annoying

Spoiler: for dats

I guess I just miss the days when you would say to me "hi ari this dragon is evil I'm sure of it let's go kill it"

This was rly cute

thanks you're so sweet

[Aristeia]

hope you feel better soon Dragoneater

[Aristeia]

where did everybody go >.>

[Aristeia]

? I didn't even get online on Tuesday until I voted infinity. I was busy with RL stuff before that.

[Aristeia]

you should share your thoughts though! they are fun to read and helpful

[Aristeia]

its ok we have plenty of time enjoy your holiday Ausuka !

[Aristeia]

mmmhmmm

[Aristeia]

I do not currently feel good about our chances of winning this game but the last time I felt that about Masterchef we ended up sweeping so maybe I'm just being dumb

[Aristeia]

though I guess that only happened after I ragequit the game but I don't really want to do that here >.>

[Aristeia]

I miss Datisi

[Aristeia]

I have a lot of thoughts but sometimes I think maybe i should just shut up hecause I don't really know anything

[Aristeia]

maybe I was better when I like actually thought I knew what I was doing

[Aristeia]

Tlich can you give me some examples of games you've replaced into to read?

[Aristeia]

you already have me at lockscum dear you dont need to scumread me more

[Aristeia]

thanks

[Aristeia]

i dont really see why temporal lich would double down on his scumread of me when i can just vote him if hes mafia because it seems not conducive to his survival

[Aristeia]

why do you want to end the day quickly?

[Aristeia]

sigh

[Aristeia]

your read on me is wrong

your read on ausuka is more likely wrong than not.

i am trying to pull you out of this hole you dug for yourself.

I don't understand your mindset at all but thats probably my fault.

I think you are pretty likely to get voted out and the more time that goes by the worse it is going to be so can you please just claim.

[Aristeia]

intent

[Aristeia]

I'm not going to flip scum

[Aristeia]

the whole point of playing town is to show people your mindset so we can figure out your alignment and whether to listen to you

[Aristeia]

the scum already know you're town

[Aristeia]

yes i am aware saying i'm not scum doesn't mean i am not scum thank you

[Aristeia]

yes tlich i am the traitor who is looking for my team you've caught me

[Aristeia]

now I'm waiting for them to signal me so I can quickhammer you

[Aristeia]

yea maybe my reads are p bad this game if the mafia shot the person i was pushing

[Aristeia]

um wouldn't that just out any other PR(s) we have

[Aristeia]

I'm assuming we have another PR?

[Aristeia]

i thought you meant have all the vts claim fruits lol

[Aristeia]

well we can argue about which fruit cakez would actually put in a game but i don't actually see the point

[Aristeia]

I guess we could do it I'm an orange

[Aristeia]

I have absolutely no idea what the point of this is but I guess it probably can't hurt

[Aristeia]

I am no longer an orange

[Aristeia]

I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful

[Aristeia]

?

its a joke

[Aristeia]

i am kind of worried about how confident datisi is about dragoneater being lying scum because i don't even see the incentive to lie about hammering temporal lich cuz he already claimed VT and was on 4 votes

[Aristeia]

like wouldnt it just be way easier to just regular hammer ? the guy already claimed vanilla townie and we're a day from deadline. I don't see the point of pulling the "oops my finger slipped" move.

[Aristeia]

like wouldnt it just be way easier to just regular hammer ? the guy already claimed vanilla townie and we're a day from deadline. I don't see the point of pulling the "oops my finger slipped" move.

Wasn't it like 3 days from deadline? Or am I misremembering.

mmm just checked you're right its like 3 days from deadline I got it mixed up with a different game

[Aristeia]

I think he thought he lol-hammered because he didn't even know that Temporal Lich had claimed

[Aristeia]

tho I guess the instant reaction to the lol-hammer of being like negative feels like he knew he was hammering a townie?

[Aristeia]

tho I guess the instant reaction to the lol-hammer of being like negative feels like he knew he was hammering a townie?

Huh???

like why did you think it was an oopsie if you don't know the alignment of the person you just hammered?

[Aristeia]

I am not actually sure my reads are any good this game can you please carry me if you're town ty

[Aristeia]

I guess the one read I really believe in is that Ausuka is town because I don't think she would claim fake claim miller and I can totally see Cakez throwing in a tomato miller in this game

[Aristeia]

tho I guess the instant reaction to the lol-hammer of being like negative feels like he knew he was hammering a townie?

Huh???

like why did you think it was an oopsie if you don't know the alignment of the person you just hammered?

[Aristeia]

I was pretty confident on NS being scum here)

why did you think you made a mistake with the hammer if you thought it was going to flip scum?

[Aristeia]

I kind of feel like scum Datisi doesn't have a reason to pivot to 1v 1ing skitter instead of just running over DragonEater here because like running over DragonEater feels like the easiest thing for scum Datisi to do?

[Aristeia]

I miss being able to read Datisi on page 1 why did he have to get so good at playing scum ;_;

[Aristeia]

maybe I should just outsource the read to Ausuka she sounds like she knows what she's doing

[Aristeia]

what if the team is skitter/ausuka

then what

then we're fucked frfr

if the team is skitter ausuka at least we'll lose together so i'll be happy <3

[Aristeia]

I miss being able to read Datisi on page 1 why did he have to get so good at playing scum ;_;

ive literally never randed scum in my life

just tell me you're town and whisper sweet words in my ear and i'll forget all the times I've been fooled by you

[Aristeia]

I guess I'd re-val ausuka at some point if its like too weird she's still alive but I am kind of terrible at changing my mind

[Aristeia]

I liked 655 it felt like a town thought

[Aristeia]

also I think her reticence to vote rings townie esp after a quickelim yesterday

[Aristeia]

maybe I'm confbiased but if i'm wrong I guess you can just blame me after the game is over

[Aristeia]

no actually you shouldn't because my tender heart can't actually handle criticism from you i'd die

[Aristeia]

I hope ausuka is scum and endgames us

-sonya

if ausuka actually shot infinity over this comment and then went on to win f3 it would be a classic ausuka scum moment though I would so be here for that

[Aristeia]

like for Ausuka to fake claim miller wouldnt it have to be true the mafia team received a list of fake claims and one of them was tomato? like what r the odds of all the fruits in the world the bad guys got tomato as a fake claim?

[Aristeia]

like how else would she know that a tomato is not in the game?

[Aristeia]

I liked that it felt kind of original and went back to dragoneater after the initial rush on him had died down and everyone had kind of expressed a view not to lim him

like marci said no
i said no
skitter said no
you switched too

atsi is the only one still trying to vote DE off
dragon eater isnt going to vote himself

so like is it really going to be convincing any1 to lim DE?

I think one thing scum like to do is move with thread flow and it feels really counter intuitive to maintain course here if she's mafia when she could probably do better supporting skitter against you or just bus skitter if she's partnered with skitter?

I guess you could say like she's trying to pull skitter out of 1v1ing you to reroute back to dragon but like i feel its not the first thing that comes to my mind for how she approaches this situation as scum

[Aristeia]

maybe I'm dismissing the play too easily i'll think about it some more

[Aristeia]

does Ausuka really think of you as some town sucker though ?

[Aristeia]

maybe I put you on a pedestal too much

[Aristeia]

dragon, imagine a world where skitter and ausuka really are the scumteam

is town EVER winning that game? no, no it's not

I am sad you have so little faith in us :<

[Aristeia]

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

I guess I just think atsi makes much more sense as a skitter partner if they're running the yeet dragon and then skitter takes control on f5 plan ?

[Aristeia]

I don't really get the impression that Datisi is leaving himself open to pushing dragons? he's like been accusing ausuka of trying to trick him into voting dragons ?

[Aristeia]

it feels a lot more like paranoid town than scum who is angling to revote dragon-eater if there's actually support there?

[Aristeia]

ok I guess if you squint you can think Datisi is asking Ausuka to vote dragons so he can hop back on the dragon wagon but that's kind of a stretch?

[Aristeia]

mood

[Aristeia]

I don't really see what my read on dragon in twilight has to do with you at all, honestly, and it seems like a massive stretch to me that you're trying to make me giving a tr to dragon in twilight a setup for pushing you (especially you in particular)
Especially b/c other people similarly were scumreading dragon after the hammer - atsi voted him, even, and ausuka also indicated she was not townreading him

sure let me be more elaborate about it i guess. you guessed that there will be people wanting dragon blood after he hammered TL and after TL flips green - confirmed me because i was already seeing red, but also maybe someone else jumps on it as well - and you know that IF, townies push dragon through on d2, and IF you appear as the white knight who tried to stop it but failed, you will be in an EXCELLENT position going into f5

like this is not a stretch. this is some basic scumplay planning for f5.

^

this is why skitter!scum would defend you.

[Aristeia]

Ari what are your up to date reads?

rn;

T

Ausuka
Datisi
Dragons
Skitter
Marci
Atsi

S

kind of just waiting atp to see why Marci thinks I'm mafia and if Atsi will do anything other than show up every 2 days to say "dragon is mafia"

[Aristeia]

ari

why

marci did you miss this

[Aristeia]

what if its like just Marci/Atsi and they planned to just wait for Dragoneater to get yeeted and then when Datisi started fighting skitter they didn't know what to do

[Aristeia]

I don't have a very good track record of reading people who don't actually play tbh

[Aristeia]

i just really don't want ari to be scum

:melting:

[Aristeia]

I'd be willing to vote skitter but I'm kind of terrified that if she flips town it's going to be awful and I'd really just like to get it right today

[Aristeia]

if you're mafia and you get skitter voted off and then you bring me to f5 in your pocket I will cry

[Aristeia]

imagine thinking i would be doing anything as scum here that's not braindead voting dragon/atsi/marci

what are your best reasons for thinking atsi/marci are mafia (not necessarily together)? sell me on it

also sell me on ausuka being town pls i am having mega paranoia there

It's basically a guess based on the game state.

like when you and skitter were having your 1v1 in the thread, they kind of felt like they were not invested and kind of just off to the side staring?

like marci said at one point she wanted to do skitter then now claims her scumreads are me/dragons
atsi wants dragons dead

and like neither of them are trying to really get you/skitter on the same page? like if marci really believes me/dragons is mafia wouldnt she be trying to get you and skitter to stop fighting ?

and yea i know the easy counter argument is just "they dont care about the game"

but like its really easy for scum to fall into a rut not caring about the game if its full of townie on townie violence.

I can't sell you on Ausuka town. I know I've misread Ausuka like many times and I don't think I'd be able to catch her if she's mafia. If you think you have good reasons for thinking she's mafia I'll put aside the miller thing and hear you out.

[Aristeia]

I don't actually think my reads are like amazing or anything if you feel really strongly about something I kind of just want to trust you and go with it because I've been wrong a lot before and I want you to have the chance to win the game for us

[Aristeia]

you're kind of getting hated on for not playing the game queen so you might as well just say it

[Aristeia]

we might finally get the marci read tonight

[Aristeia]

MAYBE IM BEING DELULU BUT BEING DELULU IS THE SELULU

this was really funny you're the best marci

[Aristeia]

see that wasn't so bad

[Aristeia]

VOTE: atsi

e-1

[Aristeia]

I think if Skitter/Datisi were mafia together it would be really funny to watch their theatre at f5

[Aristeia]

my page five guess for the scum team is skitter + dats

it kind of feels like their early interaction in pictures where they're kind of just fighting about something that's nonsensical and neither is really sorting the other.

I will claim this is definitely something I knew right away but then never pursued because I have a weak spot for Datisi in my heart

[Aristeia]

I think if Skitter/Datisi were mafia together it would be really funny to watch their theatre at f5

this is so true actually...

we would lose but I would be happy

[Aristeia]

maybe a teensy bit jealous everyone gets to scum with Datisi except me

[Aristeia]

maybe a teensy bit jealous everyone gets to scum with Datisi except me

i haven't got to scum with datisi either

I was masons with him once but then he ditched me

[Aristeia]

men am i right

shameful

so true

[Aristeia]

what a kill

[Aristeia]

maybe datisi is just trying to break my self esteem by shooting everyone i suspect so he can have his way with me

[Aristeia]

;$;&:&/)//&$;:@-;&&:

[Aristeia]

absolute meme game

[Aristeia]

Nope
Probably just the two of u honestly

i wish i were that lucky tbh

[Aristeia]

I'm Vanilla Orange

[Aristeia]

i dont think ausuka can be mafia and if she is i think we just lose

[Aristeia]

*hugs Dats*

maybe we can win together next time

[Aristeia]

eyeroll

[Aristeia]

And actually I think it's pretty feasible that Ausuka + Ari are scum and Ausuka lolclaimed miller to have an early sort of excuse to distance from Ari? Because of their shared history RE millers?

It sounds a lot more feasible to me than town reacting tgat way when rolling miller x3 in a row tbh

so i claimed miller so i can distance with ari and then proceeded to not do that and we townread each other in a way you think is conspicuous?

hmm.

he's just mafia

[Aristeia]

I think the only way you're going to ever trust me skitter is if you investigate me which is kind of annoying because you never did lol

[Aristeia]

I guess we can hope that infinity gave you a banana peel n1 because I dunno how we're going to get to the right answer otherwise

[Aristeia]

I'm lowkey kind of worried that Datisi is town and Ausuka is mafia but I realize I probably have no agency to affect this so I stopped thinking about it.

[Aristeia]

well if I vote you and you're town we just lose

[Aristeia]

like there's two worlds

you're town - i vote you, we lose

you're mafia, I vote you, skitter sides with you over me, we lose

there's basically no point to me voting for you.

[Aristeia]

I think I just don't want to believe Datisi is mafia

[Aristeia]

im town :3

<3

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats

vote for me so I don't have to think anymore please

[Aristeia]

I'm not even convinced and the game is much easier if she's just town

[Aristeia]

i have a hard time convincing myself datisi is mafia sorry its probably just me

[Aristeia]

when passion's a prison you can't break free

[Aristeia]

what if aristeia fearkilled marci...

um what

[Aristeia]

if I'm mafia I just bring marci to elo because she might never vote and then I win by default

[Aristeia]

if I'm mafia I just bring marci to elo because she might never vote and then I win by default

I am kinda curious why you think she wouldn't vote tho

because she's literally never voted this entire game and doesn't look like she cares?

[Aristeia]

part of me wanted to say 'ari being angry is genuine' but also would scum ari really react super differently in that situation

I don't think I was ever angry this game? I'm confused what you're talking about.

but if you want meta - I have absolutely no issues faking anger or any kind of emotion as mafia.

[Aristeia]

ig if I'm mafia I probably just fake a scumread and hammer him after he claims?

[Aristeia]

i have a hard time convincing myself datisi is mafia sorry its probably just me

Ok so like who's the team

DE70 + Ausuka or DE70 + Datisi

I don't think it's Ausuka + Datisi

[Aristeia]

I'm hedging because I'm town and I'm uncertain

[Aristeia]

If I'm scum I don't really need to keep multiple avenues open to say oops after a mislim because a mislim ends the game

[Aristeia]

I don't know why anyone kills infinity or marci here

detective skitter beat the truth out of her suspects because she didn't believe in due process

[Aristeia]

yea

[Aristeia]

like if Ausuka is a miller then it's Datisi + Dragoneater

and if Datisi is town then it's Dragoneater + Ausuka

I've always kind of thought Ausuka = miller = town but like I'd feel pretty bad if Datisi!town has been yelling at me that Ausuka might be mafia and I didn't listen to him because I cared more about my beliefs than his.

[Aristeia]

I can be quite stubborn and tiresome to deal with and I guess I'm trying to change that.

[Aristeia]

I'm leaning towards ari scum rn, that's all i got

it feels like people are just waiting for you to vote me atp because that's like a win state for at least two out of the three.

[Aristeia]

I'm not sure what I can do to show you that I'm town here but if you have any ideas I'm all ears.

[Aristeia]

that seems less than optimal to me

[Aristeia]

like skitter is conftown

then there's 2 mafia and 2 town between the four of us.

so there's no way any group of us can eliminate without skitter's help unless scum bus or w/e.

and if one of us who is town votes another of us who is town, we automatically lose.

so here's what can happen:

(1) town votes town, skitter doesn't get to make a vote, we lose.
(2) town votes scum, deadlock, skitter makes a decision.
(3) scum votes town, deadlock, skitter makes a decision.
(4) scum busses, scum gets yeeted, skitter doesn't need to make a decision.

I don't think world (4) is going to happen because skitter wants to vote me, which removes any incentive for the scum team to bus, they can simply wait for her to vote me.

thus it's like better for skitter to just make the decision, which she ends up doing in world 2/3 anyway and if she's right we have tommorrow and if she's wrong we won't.

and it all together avoids world 1, which is that a townie other than skitter makes the wrong decision.

Yes I am aware this might be dumb since she wants to yeet me but it is what it is.

[Aristeia]

i think that is what usually happens? or what i'm used to in elo

it's late forgive me if im being slow

I mean you might be right I am not like an expert on elos I just have lots of thoughts and I don't really like making decisions

[Aristeia]

ok

have a good night Ausuka

[Aristeia]

I don't think there's anything that I'm incapable of faking and I think it'd be violating the trust tell rule if I said I only do something as town and I can't fake it as scum.

[Aristeia]

I've already explained things that I wouldn't do as scum because I think they're minus EV but that's just self meta and there's no real way you can verify I'm telling the truth

[Aristeia]

good luck on your exam Dats <3

[Aristeia]

did you want a response to any of that?

[Aristeia]

prefer to yeet Dragoneater

[Aristeia]

I hope you feel better soon Dats <3

[Aristeia]

your read on me is wrong

your read on ausuka is more likely wrong than not.

i am trying to pull you out of this hole you dug for yourself.

Congrats you just created an associative and if you flip scum I'm voting Ausuka because of that associative.

Saying I'm wrong isn't convincing because scum could easily say that to appear towny.

I don't understand your mindset at all but thats probably my fault.

I must be playing well then if my mindset is inscrutable.

I think you are pretty likely to get voted out and the more time that goes by the worse it is going to be so can you please just claim.

Why would I claim early? You haven't declared intent to hammer so a claim would still be early.

I wanted him to claim because stalling would only make us lose time to the deadline

[Aristeia]

um wouldn't that just out any other PR(s) we have

can you elaborate on this thought please?

570 - I didn't understand she meant everyone claim fruit I thought she wanted the VTs to claim fruits

[Aristeia]

i.e. and only the vt's?

yea

[Aristeia]

i just skimmed ari's iso and got like nothing townie out of it

unfortunate

[Aristeia]

Ausuka who do you think the scum team is again?

[Aristeia]

cuz I thought he was mafia

[Aristeia]

what if its like just Marci/Atsi and they planned to just wait for Dragoneater to get yeeted and then when Datisi started fighting skitter they didn't know what to do

[Aristeia]

because he was doing basically nothing and that makes sense for him to do if you/datisi are town/town and I didn't think either of you were scum atp

[Aristeia]

well at least it will be over

final guess for me is dragons + ausuka

idc that datisi decided to not do anything today he's still town in my heart

[Aristeia]

"why does Ausuka bother defending you when skitter wants to yeet you ari"

"because scum love defending me when skitter wants to yeet me"

[Aristeia]

it's just a game skitter don't take it so hard

[Aristeia]

breaks are nice

hope you feel better soon <3

[Aristeia]

i think it's ausuka + dragons

[Aristeia]

I can vote ausuka too skitter

[Aristeia]

like obviously that is preferable to me than voting myself out

[Aristeia]

like to me it's never Datisi + Ausuka because of the way Datisi kept badgering me to justify the Ausuka townread for "miller" reasons is just bizarre to do if he's partnered with her?

so Dragons is always mafia with one of them, I prefer to yeet him, but like if you refuse to do it then I don't really have a choice in the matter?

[Aristeia]

well at least you are laughing about it

[Aristeia]

I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

well I don't think you'd fake claim miller after that previous experience we had

[Aristeia]

its like my first post?

[Aristeia]

like the last time we played together - she claimed miller d1 and was upset about being a miller - I pushed her because I didn't believe her, we got into a big fight about it - it wasn't pleasant for either of us.

so I thought if she's mafia and she remembers that experience, she wouldn't want to repeat it - because if I push her she has to fight me and that's not pleasant nor does she really want to get that kind of attention?

[Aristeia]

I don't remember how long I pushed her but it got heated/unpleasant and then I got into a fight with some other person about something else entirely unrelated and then I repped out.

this is the link;

viewtopic.php?t=89756

[Aristeia]

true I remember thinking that post was p townie when I read it

[Aristeia]

um just looking around 750

I posted that atsi was at the bottom of my readlist in 742 and then dragons voted atsi and then ausuka voted atsi so why can't they be just voting together to push atsi since I was scumreading the slot?

[Aristeia]

Ari what are your up to date reads?

rn;

T

Ausuka
Datisi
Dragons
Skitter
Marci
Atsi

S

kind of just waiting atp to see why Marci thinks I'm mafia and if Atsi will do anything other than show up every 2 days to say "dragon is mafia"

Umm can we just lim atsi? I'm still having doubts about Skitter.

VOTE: atsi

Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

UNVOTE:

VOTE: atsi

I think this is the best vote maybee

I'm talking about this progression looking unnatural.

[Aristeia]

ausuka why aren't you voting dragon

to annoy you specifically

[Aristeia]

I don't think when people bus their partners they do it cleanly and by the book every time because that seems incredibly predictable

[Aristeia]

if a bus looked like a bus it would defeat the point of bussing in the first place.

[Aristeia]

if anything it feels like she got everything she would want from D2 if she's partnered with Dragons?

she got to distance enough from him that now you think they're not partnered.

she didn't have to really even vote for Dragons or put him in real danger of being voted off.

once the heat died down they saw an oppurtunity to yeet atsi and just went for it and got to elo with both alive and distanced.

so like what's wrong with the way she played it if they're a team?

[Aristeia]

I kinda want to bop you ari but then i feel like i should apply that to all 3 of you

bop me for what? this is elo already?

[Aristeia]

why is ausuka town to you

bonus points if you do not use the word "miller" in your explaination

[Aristeia]

i just saw her talking about dragon on this page (655 specifically) and i just had a "oh. oh no." moment

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

[Aristeia]

774 was to you, 666/674 was when he sused her and I defended her and then he was digging in on why my reasoning for townreading her was bad