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[skitter30]

Brass's hammer is icky

do you still think hammer was icky?

yes but probably a little less so

[skitter30]

brass who's scum and why

i think it's just pooky/t3 tbqh

[skitter30]

skitter why do i shoot sheep dude instead of you

i've no idea and tbh i don't care, you're scum on play

ok which part of my play is scummy

you haven't found scum yet and have been v blase abt all the flips, particularly day1 {meuh was town,
you're using mech to get flips instead of reads
i don't feel like you're trying to find scum you're just nudging people in the direction of voting (town) out

[skitter30]

whoops i hit enter too fast

the scum team is just Meuh + Joker imo but im gonna wait for Medeia to solve the case

all town

you kept telling me i was wrong on random nurse, and oh look, you were wrong on random nurse


a lot of waffling on t3 (423; 392; 437; 521) arguing that he's been tmi'd as town which is ridiculous


v blase abt meuh/chicago (and i think chicago is town) 527; 526 when the two of them were the leading wagons day1 (this is what i was going to finish the last sentence of the last post with but hit enter whoops)

also like ur competant and you haven't had a single right read yet based on any of hte flips so like

[skitter30]

i mean i've said i thought all the misflips were town and only did it to get a flip ...

no i'd rather you b/c i'm only 60% on t3 being mafia and i'm like 90% on you

i don't want to flip thru all the prs, i'm not convinced your mech is right

[skitter30]

that is a cute dog gif!
you're still scum tho >.>

[skitter30]

i mean you're doing p good here if ur scum tbh, it's melo

[skitter30]

i'm sorry :( i very much hope you feel better soon

[skitter30]

no not reading as an excuse; hope you get back to yourself v soon for your own sake

[skitter30]

and i also get that if you are town this isn't really like

providing a solution to that or whatever

which honestly is still for you to just like

talk about the game? ya know

like regardless of your alignment i don't get it

@me or @pooky

[skitter30]

i mean i've said i thought all the misflips were town and only did it to get a flip ...

mmm, sorry

idk they made the most sense to me of options at the time but impossible not to be results oriented about it like i get that i failed

No it's fine that we were wrong and i understand why we did it

Pooky voted for all of these people b/c he thought they were scum, it wasnt to like advanxe the gamestate really

Since when are his reads thia bad

[skitter30]

Pooky where is scum rn

[skitter30]

Why am i even alive if you're scum ... >.>

[skitter30]

But idk who else kills sheep so this just feels like wifom

Maybe like ct
Where is ct even

[skitter30]

I mean sure but someone had to kill him soooo

Maybe we should flip t3/ct idk

[skitter30]

Why is this dead, again?

Are we no-flipping here?

I think we should lim pooky tbh but if we're no limming are we waiting for something in particular?

[skitter30]

The crowd at large

And ok why don't we

[skitter30]

Pooky is there anything i should tr you for other than the fact i'm not dead

[skitter30]

Ok so scum-chicago claimed x-shot pr
And escaped being flipped

And as soon as yesterday opened and there was no kill he claimed 2s bp?

[skitter30]

its the perfect claim to explain why he doesn't die and also doesn't have to give any results

Ok if it's like chicago great
If he's town and i flip thru all prs b/c you keep insisting this setup is impossible that would be Not Great

[skitter30]

Like in remaining prs it's chicago
But i'm still not convinced the setup is impossible

For some reason that made me think pooky/ct

Pooky if u arent scum i have a hard team findijg a team ngl. Maybe like ct/t3 idk

[skitter30]

T3 after ur post who do u think is most likely scum

[skitter30]

Maybe it is ct, hmmmm

[skitter30]

Fwiw i probably spend like a week agonizing before actually voting

[skitter30]

I still don't fully get why we sleep here tbh

Pedit the last has crossed my mind too

I don't even know how to respond to me/medeia, doesn't make sense as a viable (most likely) scumteam from pooky's perspective imo

[skitter30]

Ngl this like of thought kinda explains why sheep is dead if you're scum

[skitter30]

I still don't fully get why we sleep here tbh

Pedit the last has crossed my mind too

I don't even know how to respond to me/medeia, doesn't make sense as a viable (most likely) scumteam from pooky's perspective imo

its not a most likely scum team

thats what paranoia means.

I meant to write 'or likely' in parantheses, not 'most likely '

[skitter30]

Pooky if we lim today who should we flip

[skitter30]

Could i be wrong on medeia?
I don't think i am

If we're sleeping let's just sleep honestly

[skitter30]

Yes

[skitter30]

Dunno lowkey now kinda feel like chicago is in his scum-meta

If we arent waiting for a replacement i'm fine just ending the day now

[skitter30]

Ok if either of t3/chicago are town i wish they would play more
Maybe it's just the two of them idk

Hard to read either of them
~
Alao the replacement thing was wrt chicago, who got prodded. Brass asked if we could wait for replacement before ending, but ct has since posted so is presumably not getting replaced

[skitter30]

Can we at least try ?

[skitter30]

This was your idea so ....
Why am i still here ....

[skitter30]

Medeia?

[skitter30]

I mean sure but now i spend a week debating this before i vote

[skitter30]

Ok if ur town
And medeia is town

It's what, exactly t3/ct?

[skitter30]

Or u leave me alive to try to wifom me? Idk probably simpler to just kill me

Maybe i'm tunneled

Maybe you want me to.think that

Maybe it's medeia

[skitter30]

I will not be the first person voting here

Pedit do u actually think that?

[skitter30]

I will not be the first person voting here

Pedit do u actually think that?

I am uninformed so anything is possible to me

I'm not askijg what u think is possible, i'm asking what you think is likely

[skitter30]

I think ur scum now tbh

[skitter30]

If there's town in ct/t3 i don't know how to find them with the sort of content they have

I'm p annoyed abt the rn lim that didn't actually need to happen that i could actually read ...

Pooky i think ur still scum for not finding scum

[skitter30]

Ct basically prodging for three weeks or whatever is bad

[skitter30]

@medeia - you claim to have a pr, why do you think you're alive right now?

This looks like you kept her alive so that you can ask that question

[skitter30]

I mean you found him b/c you were sheeping me

[skitter30]

Fair enuf
Maybe it is just the two of them idk

[skitter30]

VC 1.18

T3 (1): ChicagoTypewriter
ChicagoTypewriter (2): Meuh, T3
Meuh (5!): skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, ceejayvinoya, medeia, Random Nurse

Not voting: sheepsaysmeep

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-18 15:59:37).

Weird final vc tho; ct had been vote parking for a while

[skitter30]

VOTE: CT

I like the Meuh wagon but I prefer to vote CT here

Like this is weird as a partner

Medeia i think is just town. I could br wrong and i'll do a double-check before voting
But if she's scum tbh i'm probably ok losing to her, she played well

There's a few things from ct/t3 that seem anti-partner-y. If it isnt literally both than it has to be pooky, regardless of the partner

[skitter30]

Do u actually think it's medeia?

[skitter30]

Right so either convince me it's exactly ct/t3 or i vote you b/c u have to be the partner regardless

[skitter30]

like if the team is T3/CT then I voted T3 b4 u did so :P

There are 20 possible scum teams right now, and T3/CT; given my Day 1 behavior, is near the bottom of that list in terms of likelihood. But, yes, sure, let us pursue

that

line of reasoning.

Soooooo which of the 20 teams do u think it is? I have no idea, which is a problem rn

I've v clearly laid out what my options are

[skitter30]

Right so either convince me it's exactly ct/t3 or i vote you b/c u have to be the partner regardless

well if you're town then we're going to lose together if you vote me :3

Sure but if i'm not convinced it's the other option that's what' going to happen

Work, so i'll be around later

[skitter30]

T3 also: who is ur proposed scumteam

[skitter30]

No that was more: share ur result plz

[skitter30]

Idk why either of u keeps me alive
Maybe that also just points to t3/ct

[skitter30]

Medeia just claim plz

[skitter30]

Oh i missed that, apologies

[skitter30]

There's a few things from ct/t3 that seem anti-partner-y. If it isnt literally both than it has to be pooky, regardless of the partner

hm, do the pooky/ct things not seem anti-partner-y to you? or not as anti-partner-y?

Havent reviewed yet

[skitter30]

i guess scum!skitter could have assumed i would not check her in theory

mmm

(the nightkill actually kinda makes sense for chicagotypewriter/skitter

like it's not like they could nightkill skitter and they probably would not want to kill me

which would also make sense with skitter positioning here like the 'not voting first' 'if we rule out chicagotypewriter/t3 then it must be pooky' sort of things

but that doesn't really make sense with rest of game to me with skitter's approach to chicagotypewriter day one not to mention rest of skitter's posting as a whole

and it's not like nightkills generally 'make sense' for the team that made them)

Idk
Am i missing something?

If it isnt you
It has to be two of the other three

In which case it's either exactly t3/ct, or pooky has to be scum with one of them

[skitter30]

?

[skitter30]

like if you're town then you voting for me is going to end the game whether you do it now or if you do it 5 hours before the deadline or whenever you decide to make up your mind

I hate voting in elo
Also i'm seriously considering voting chicago

Not lol voting u allows me to reconsider and maybe not lose the game if ur town

[skitter30]

Ct looks like scum today
He has no solve

[skitter30]

Yes but it's worse in elo

[skitter30]

I'm v confident if i were scum i can mislim you today

Idk why you think i need to walk this back today lol

[skitter30]

Like why is this more likely that i'm looking for a not-you mislim instead of reconsidering

From a town-you pov

[skitter30]

Like why is this more likely that i'm looking for a not-you mislim instead of reconsidering

From a town-you pov

Pooky this makes like no sense from a town-you pov

Instead of being happy that i'm not inst-voting you (and from ur pov that would lose since yr town, but would allow scum-me to win)

You're purporting that this is scum-me looking for a misflip elsewhere
Instead of the push i've been telegraphing for like two weeks
And your conclusion is that i'm scum
Looking for a misflip

Instead of town recognizing town and looking at what is the correct scumteam from your stated worldview

Like if ur town
wut does this even mean

[skitter30]

Like u really think you're so impossible for me to flip here that i need to drop this and pursue other options ... ?

[skitter30]

I'm v confident if i were scum i can mislim you today

Idk why you think i need to walk this back today lol

ok which townie do you convince to vote for me if you're mafia here?

Me + partner + medeia ?
Like really easy???


If i'm town i have to convince like ct probably
Which is harder
But like i have ur misflip in the bag if i'm scum here ...

[skitter30]

Pooky if i'm scared of u in elo why don't i just kill you tonight?
Oe any of the past nights?

Or misflip you today

There's like so many easier (and more plausible) ways to deal with you than whaverr you're coming up with now

[skitter30]

but if you vote me at elo and the game doesnt end then you're confirmed mafia to me and you don't want to 1v1 me at elo and confirm yourself as mafia to me because I might actually flip you instead

---- above is direct quote from pooky on mobile and cant use quote function

Like that's ridiculous and you know that. If i'm scared of u in elo you'd be dead like three days ago and/or i misflip you today

I don'r akwardly walk back a misflip that i've been telegraphing for three days b/c i don't to 1:1 you in elo, don't you think i could have (and would have) anticipated this problem like three days ago and solved it in a myriad of other ways that isnt this ....

Pedit yeah that's my point, what on earth do u think i'm doing here

[skitter30]

Pooky

If i'm scum you're addressing how this elo makes sense from scum-me's pov

But are completely ignoring how i would have had multiple ways to prevent being in a position where i have to take this trajectory in the first place

[skitter30]

I'm v confident if i were scum i can mislim you today

Idk why you think i need to walk this back today lol

ok which townie do you convince to vote for me if you're mafia here?

Me + partner + medeia ?
Like really easy???


If i'm town i have to convince like ct probably
Which is harder
But like i have ur misflip in the bag if i'm scum here ...

medeia is convinced CT is mafia and I can't be teamed with CT
T3 is convinced I'm town

which one of them do you convince to vote me and how?

Medeia
And i'm not convinced that's an accurate represenation of her stance, like ag all

[skitter30]

If i'm town i have to convince like ct probably

what do you mean if you're town you have to convince CT? i thought CT was mafia from your town point of view?

He could be the townie idk
Or partnered with u and reluctant

He's still the vote i try to get to flip u

[skitter30]

Pooky

If i'm scum you're addressing how this elo makes sense from scum-me's pov

But are completely ignoring how i would have had multiple ways to prevent being in a position where i have to take this trajectory in the first place

you really think its more strategic for scum!you to shoot town!me than it is for scum!me to shoot town!you?

Idk what ur asking or how this is relevant to my point

Idk why you didnt kill me if scum
You'd be dead like three days if i was scum, and failing that for whatver reason, i don't set upna trajectory to flip u just to walk it back in elo

[skitter30]

Medeia this is bizarre right lol?

[skitter30]

Ct, sheep, what do u presently think abt pooky

Sheep why are u townreading pooky?

[skitter30]

I meant t3 not sheep lol

[skitter30]

Like why is this more likely that i'm looking for a not-you mislim instead of reconsidering

From a town-you pov

so the answer to this is that the difference between voting me at elo/melo is

at elo you become confirmed scum to me if you vote me
and at melo you don't become confirmed scum to me.

the game state didn't meaningfully change between melo and elo - the only extra info we got was that brassherald got killed which I don't really understand how that changes your urge to flip me?

like flipping town!pooky is a loss at melo or elo there is literally no difference.

Ok but i delayed at melo too so idk what ur point is

[skitter30]

if anything its a better defense of me since you spent 2 game days calling for me to die and i have been townreading you the entire game up to now. you dont have an incentive to shoot me and i have an incentive to shoot you.

You started questioning that read yesterday?

[skitter30]

Fwiw i probably spend like a week agonizing before actually voting

like thats another thing that bothers me about your stance on me

you say idk and you will take the entire time to decide meaning down to the wire.

that feels like a scum strategy because time is on the scums side and this game is lethargic and barely moving.

why would town!you feel the need to take up the entire time to make a choice? you wanted to flip me yesterday and d2 so why would you need all the time today?

what if you decide to vote me and then t3/ct whichever one of them is town doesnt log in to vote before the deadline?

it kind of feels like a scum stall tactic to feel out whether theres an easier mislim somewhere else and to delay the time i have to react to you.

why would town!you suddenly need the entire deadline to

B/c i hate voting in elo and never vote fast?
It wasnt like a particular stalling tactic rather an acknowledgement of how much i hate elo and hate deciding things

[skitter30]

Idk what ur point is

[skitter30]

uh you said you wanted to flip me at melo

now you're at "idk"

I'm at like 70% u 30% chicago and trying to figure out if i'm wrong or not on u

If ur town, and u think medeia is town, isnt this a good thing?

Pedit yes
I didnt literally mean a week i meant i need to think abt it and can't snapvote and need some time. It was rhetorical to indicate that i wasnt immediately planning on voting

I agree someone should vote by like three days to deadline

[skitter30]

The week thing was rhetorical and not meant to be taken exactly literally ....

[skitter30]

No i'm not planning on it, sorry if that alarmed you or confused you

[skitter30]

I'm at like
Want to vote u here 70% of the time
And chicago 30% of the time

These ratios were v different before Chicago started posting

[skitter30]

Wdym

[skitter30]

You / ct
You / t3
Ct / t3

I don't have likelhood numbers, that's not really how i'm viewing it

To me it's more like a tree:
-> do t3/ct look partnered? Need to do more research (sunday)

-> if final answer is no: doesn't matter which is town, if medeia is town pooky is scum, so vote pooky

-> if final answer is yes: doeant matter which i vote, vote one

With the following homework questions to research:
- do ct/t3 look partnered?
- confirm medeia tr

Before voting

Where i ultimately vote has almost nothing to do with what u post today , or even with my prior read on u

[skitter30]

I think so, yes

So like convincing me of ct/t3 is how to prevent me from voting you

[skitter30]

Ok if we're tvt
And it isnt ct/t3?

Like what's your solve?

Like how are u viewing this elo?

[skitter30]

Like i want to get it right
I don't know what u are doing in this elo

I don't know how to solve for u rn if ur town so i'm just going around the problem

[skitter30]

I weirdly feel like you're prioritizing 'game ending decision' over 'getting it right'

And what i meant wrt ur behavior in elo is that while you're transparently laying out ur thought process, none of it makes sense to me as coming from a town pov

Also like ur just punting the decision to me but want me to rush before i'm ready?

[skitter30]

I'm not confident enuf in a cross yet
Once i back-read i'll decide

[skitter30]

Pooky are u basically saying u don't want to have to solve me so u want me to make the choice instead?

[skitter30]

Fair enuf

I don't actually know if i'm voting u yet today tho

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Helloooooooooo! VOTE: ChicagoTypewriter

Booo, I expected better from a fellow Fire Emblem fan.
...
Don't want to break the chain, though.
VOTE: T3

Okay, I'm doing a little better on catch-up. The most important thing here is I needed to make sure I actually want to keep my RVS vote on T3.

Overall:
-T3 seriously voted for Kcdaspot 31, unvoted

six minutes later

34, and then seemed to indicate that the initial vote wasn't icky 226. I'm not a fan of this voting behavior.
-T3 supports Random Nurse over Medeia (and who in turn supports T3 back). I'm not sure I like this. Calling them a scumteam seems a bit too obvious as this point given how much they're supporting each other, but ... well, it's kind of weird from my perspective, given I have a scumlean on Random Nurse right now; given his main gripe against Medeia is the refusal to add a vote for pressure.
-T3 is currently at E-2 with my vote, I believe. I'm find with this.

Decision: Vote stays. I'm going to work on the rest of the catchup, be back in a bit. (By which I mean later today, if I can get to it.)

Fair 'nuff.

Also, can we acknowledge that T3 has been lurking despite being scumread and has given basically no response to that at all? Just wanted to put that out there. (And, yes, I've been lurking too, but I'm trying to do something about that now.)

I feel like t3 is scummy

I feel like we have enough players to eliminate T3, it's just not happening because we have decided to wait until the last possible moment. Is this accurate?

No? Who do you think we have to vote out t3?

We have:
CT
skitter30
PookytheMagicalBear
ceejayvinoya
Meuh
Kcdaspot(based on the above post?)

medeia may slightly scumread T3, unknown if its enough to vote

Random Nurse definitely doesn't.
And, obviously, T3 doesn't as well.

Chicago can u vote t3 ?

Aye, ma'am, cat's paw away.
VOTE: T3
...
...
I reserve the right to blame you if anything goes wrong.

Really weird if aligned tbh

[skitter30]

As I understand it Scum team members will typically *fight* with each other early on, so I'm always looking for that tell.

I'm a veteran Mafia player but haven't played in about two years, so am rusty.

Saving this for later. Kinda curious on how accurate this is...

I don't know about this, actually. Staged fights are useful, sure, but there are benefits to other strategies.

This post really rubs me the wrong way. The conversation being had is about what strategies scum usually use, but then CT chimes in and talks about what strategies are

good

for scum. Like, why mention this?

VOTE: CT

I like the Meuh wagon but I prefer to vote CT here

Hmmmmm less conclusive
I think ct doesnf look partnered with t3 tho

[skitter30]

I think my conclusion is prob correct? Idk
Pooky wants to have a 1v1 with me for some unknown reason ig

[skitter30]

Idk what do either of u think abt the posts i pulled out of ct's iso

[skitter30]

Wait you do think they look aligned?.??

[skitter30]

Yeah idk i just don't really see it

Pooky are u still town on medeia?

[skitter30]

Yeah idk i just don't really see it

Pooky are u still town on medeia?

?? you're the one who said she's obvtown?

Yes but the pool of scumteams is getting smaller so i have to question this too ... >.>

[skitter30]

>.>

[skitter30]

I don't know what i'm doing

[skitter30]

I think i want to vote ct here, actually

[skitter30]

Okay, I'm doing a little better on catch-up. The most important thing here is I needed to make sure I actually want to keep my RVS vote on T3.

Overall:
-T3 seriously voted for Kcdaspot 31, unvoted

six minutes later

34, and then seemed to indicate that the initial vote wasn't icky 226. I'm not a fan of this voting behavior.
-T3 supports Random Nurse over Medeia (and who in turn supports T3 back). I'm not sure I like this. Calling them a scumteam seems a bit too obvious as this point given how much they're supporting each other, but ... well, it's kind of weird from my perspective, given I have a scumlean on Random Nurse right now; given his main gripe against Medeia is the refusal to add a vote for pressure.
-T3 is currently at E-2 with my vote, I believe. I'm find with this.

Decision: Vote stays. I'm going to work on the rest of the catchup, be back in a bit. (By which I mean later today, if I can get to it.)

This just looks so beyond unaligned

[skitter30]

Now? For starters, UNVOTE: T3, that vote isn't doing anything useful there.

I still maintain my scumread

, I just want to move it.

Bleghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: CT

oh ok I believe in you VOTE: CT

(i've only been vote parking for like a week)
VOTE: ct

I'm OK with a CT lim.
VOTE: CT

Um, @invisibility four votes, Meuh is voting for me.

Maybe its ct/pooky

[skitter30]

probably just chicago + t3

Right, so I'm barely here, but I need to point out the egregious chain of logic here - I spent all of Day 1 trying to lim T3. Why would I do that if we were scum pair?

like if the team is T3/CT then I voted T3 b4 u did so :P

There are 20 possible scum teams right now, and T3/CT; given my Day 1 behavior, is near the bottom of that list in terms of likelihood. But, yes, sure, let us pursue

that

line of reasoning.

These are a *littlr* too on the nose tho

[skitter30]

I have a really hard time flipping pr claims day1

[skitter30]

We should have done him instead of rn, honestly

Explains why medeia is alive too

[skitter30]

if i vote skitter and its wrong this will be like my 2nd time ever voting wrong at elo >.>

skitter can you vote me first pls

I'm leaning towards chicago >.>
Still making up my mind

I have issues voting pr claims day1

I initially sr ct
Thought meuh was kinda scummy
Waiverer between the two
But ultimately leaned towards ct
When he claimed switched to meuh

Meuh was town
I thought all thr claims are town so pushed elsewhwre but still kinda sr him but the claim seemed kinda townie to me so let it sit for a while
Now its elo and that isnt good.enuf given his content, and i think he's scum

[skitter30]

like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse

hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever

Leaning towards Chicago here tho

[skitter30]

cuz she's been tunneling me all game? like it feels pretty weird to swerve at the end and aim at T3 instead?

Idk who the partner is but my presenr conclusion is that i want to vote ct

[skitter30]

like if she's mafia with CT

she might think that I want CT flipped
you want CT flipped(? I am not sure here )
and T3 wants CT flipped

then if CT gets flipped at F5 and flips scum

CT doesnt look aligned with T3
I don't look aligned with CT

then its her vs you and both me and T3 want her over you.

so she can't really ever accept that I dont look aligned with CT

i think she'd just realign her reads on one of you and hope to convince me or even to leave both of you and hope to convince you(?) probably

rather than try to 1v1 me

like if she is a scums here she mostly skipped the let's confirm townread on medeia anyway for a reason right

Uh i still need to do that step

[skitter30]

I'm not really sure why pooky's conclusion is that everything i'm doing is part of a grand effort to mislim him

I'm not even trying to rn
And there's easier elos than this

----
I think ct just killed sheep b/c sheep was sus of him
Idk why brass but i think sheep is that simple

[skitter30]

I feel p good abt town- you but also elo and need to do my homework

Will read ur iso tonight

[skitter30]

No i think it's just a matter of reading ur iso at certain key points

If u want to share like your top 3 townie posts by all means tho

[skitter30]

can someone summarize claims stuff for me

here is chicagotypewriter claim:

Claim: Town PR, unspecified X-power type.

quoted because formatting potentially relevant due to its uncommonness

like chicagotypewriter has only played in newbie games previously thus likely not to have encountered x-shot roles at least not in game so yeah

like i don't think(?) anyone else in this game would be likely to refer to x-shot as x-power so i think that probably comes from paraphrasing

So when reading posts like these the thought crossed my mind that maybe it's ct/medeia?
Would explain why medeia isnt dead
Where the weird claims came from

And maybe i'm super pocketed?

----
Probably not super likely but this is a thought

[skitter30]

I think if anyone else had a mechanism of stopping the nightkill they should just hardclaim?

if no one does then chicago is 100% confirmed town which is nice

and if something gets outed then oh well the day before MELO is an ok day for massclaim anyways

i, kinda want to massclaim here anyway for related and un-related reasons i guess

like in theory chicagotypewriter could have not nightkilled to try to confirm self and such so not 100%

but also,

i am an odd-night checker and my action on random nurse last night was not successful which is the only maybe relevant result i am capable of (i think) and there's probably a reason my role is in the setup, so

or at the very least for random nurse to claim or if someone else has an explanation for the above and also if there's another reason for the missing nightkill? i guess

And like you tried to do the nk but failed so knew you could claim something where ur action failed

And that it would out the pr who did it ...

Hmmmmmmm

And i'm not dead b/c i'm horribly pocketed
And pooky's not dead b/c he's in a thing with me

Like i super townread medeia on play
But .... this kinda makes some ant of sense holistically

[skitter30]

But then ig we're missing town power
Idk lol

[skitter30]

And ig you'd have to know that you were specifically jailkept instead of a doc or something

Ok probably less likely then

[skitter30]

the obvious answer for why scum medeia would know to claim checker is if she was the mafia who carried out the nightkill and it wasnt on mr bulletproof so she knows she got blocked.

or that her target was doctored or a commuter et cetera

but if you want to say there is a

possibility

i could have simply guessed and ran with that sure but why would i have done so

but eh don't really think you think this is likely either, so

Ok yeah
Medeia ... probably doesnt take this risk? Idk

[skitter30]

Oki think that's probably not a super likely world

Logically i think i should be voting pooky
Gut says chicago

[skitter30]

Ok fair
I think this is a paranoid thought probably not worth pursuing .
But it did pop into my mind

Pedit in a closed tho?

[skitter30]

Ok then >.>

[skitter30]

She seems so town tho

[skitter30]

Yeah
I can see chicago doing that tho

Pedit
Sure
I might have to bounce in a few tho

[skitter30]

Like u will never vote for her here?

[skitter30]

I'm probably not reading that game but ur that confident she's town?

[skitter30]

Yes i know
I'm asking you: based on that game do u think she's town or scum here

[skitter30]

I think i wanted ct and was frustrated i wasnt getting any traction
And was ok with voting meuh too but wanted ct more
And asked meuh to vote ct to:
- see if she was willing to b/c iirc she was hedging a lot and i wanted her (and ct/t3) to commit to something (see like 481 - 485 or so)
- get another vote on ct

So was happy she voted
But was feeling like ct wasnt likely to go far despite that given the general resiatance
So when you said you preferred meuh i was kinda like: ok well i scumread her too and there might be more traction there so let's try it

But when you immediately switched ct felt more viable and i wanted it more so i switched back

[skitter30]

B/c i wasnt getting anywhere for a week and i was scumreading meuh too, voteparking a vanity wagon on day1 when it isnt really going anywhere seems silly

Like the meuh vote was for a grand total of six minutes, after i offered chicago to you
I wanted chicago more and switched back as soon as you did

Pedit i was scumreading her too
Like i'd been saying for i think literally days at that point that i wanted either

Pedit2 so who do you want to flip today

[skitter30]

Pooky why are u treating thay like a vote in elo
I'm allowed to explore multiple scumreads

[skitter30]

Well ct should be getting replaced

Medeia it was a paranoid thought that occures to me that i probably think isn't particularly likely

[skitter30]

Yeah idk
We can just flip it ig
Idk if maybe we'll get value out of the replacement but obviously no context on what ct was doing all game

So if we're leaning there maybe we should just do it
The slot is unreadable rn as is i don't think i have any way to get new information/come up with a better solve on the slot

[skitter30]

I'd rather wait tbh
If he comea back and doesnt provide content i think i'm just ok with this

[skitter30]

i just really don't want the two of you to end up crossvoting at this point i guess so it's mostly downside from my point of view yeah

like even if we're going to wait i might vote, shrug, will think about this when i get off work

like worst case scenario to me would be more like someone replaces in is 'towny' or whatever and convinces town!skitter to vote town!pooky or something and we lose

when it's like, even if chicagtypewriter were towny on play to me it still seems like correct solution

I don't know what ur trying to say here, what's the downside and what do you want to do

[skitter30]

Oh hi
I'll be around soon/later, havent read anything you'd posted

Unfortunately my instinct here is to vote u

[skitter30]

also are you familiar with me? (i assume from referring to me as shiki?)

yeah this is a petapan alt sorry forgot not everyone in the game knows that

is this your first game out of hiatus?
can you briefly share why you thought the slot was town prior to repping in?

[skitter30]

this is a very off the wall sort of read - based on out of context statements in skitter's iso, skitter was too accepting of chicago's claim too quickly while pooky was showing a lot more skeopticism of it. to me this speaks of too different mindsets. from an informed perspective, it's very easy to see the genuineness in the claim and know it has to be town, because it seems too weird for scum so how could you justify something like that? meanwhile a town is a lot more likely to see a weird claim and get conspiratorial in their thinking about it - this is because townies don't know anyone's alignment and have genuine paranoia. they are slow to trust people who do weird things, even if said weird things have no scum motivation to them

i didn't think he'd come up with this as a fake-claim -> only makes sense to me if he was scum with like pooky who fed him the claim
as you said, he hasn't played a lot and i don't think he comes up with it himself

[skitter30]

Oh hi
I'll be around soon/later, havent read anything you'd posted

Unfortunately my instinct here is to vote u

yes well luckily i've developed a scumread on you, hopefully that is correct because i anticipate it would be literal hell trying to get you to townread me as town

it is wrong and i've been vacillating like a lot and 2/5 of the game has been absent for like two game days so like if you're town here i really, really, really want to see it

my gut is to vote you
my logical conclusion is to vote pooky b/c medeia i'm p sure is just town and i don't think ct/t3 look partnered

i've been oscillating between these two for like four days, it's been fun

[skitter30]

Ugh my gut is still to flip pooky here

Yes ofc

Idk u really make sense to me here

when is skitter so limp and passive about pushing a scumread she has on a strong player. does skitter actually suspect pooky or is she just faking paranoia. i think the latter is simply far far more likely

i mean i've spent like 3 weeks at this point pushing him so

if all three of ct/medeia/(rn) are town it kinda has to be

[skitter30]

if t3 is town i'm probably scum-you's easiest misflip, no?

pedit yeah this is also why so much of mine/pooky/mediea's iso is abt each other b/c t3/ct have basically been absent since day2 , there's not really been a way to sort either

[skitter30]

what

[skitter30]

no?
t3 wants to vote me already (and you), and is remarkably checked out

if yo'ure scum
and he's town

it should be pretty easy

nobody is looking at t3 like at all today (maybe we should be)
so ig yeah maybe but you have to divert the whole ct/pooky thing onto t3 which hasn't really been on the table till now i don't think

[skitter30]

i mean i've said i thought all the misflips were town and only did it to get a flip ...

no i'd rather you b/c i'm only 60% on t3 being mafia and i'm like 90% on you

i don't want to flip thru all the prs, i'm not convinced your mech is right

*clicks tongue loudly*

what ... >.>

[skitter30]

also like ct/t3 don't look partnered at all but they're probably the most likely people i can see making all of these nk's, which are beyond wild

pedit ...no ?

[skitter30]

what even made you ask that

[skitter30]

uh ... ok? i don't know what posts you're thinking of or how to respond to that

his two (2) posts in elo are abt how he wants to vote ct/me, with me being his preference

[skitter30]

if t3 is town i'm probably scum-you's easiest misflip, no?

asfasdfsdagdfhfgjfghdfgdfdgqq QHAT

although honestly this was a p good response

[skitter30]

and makes me think you didn't know that

[skitter30]

maybe i should just go back to the logic of
medeia isn't scum
ct/t3 don't look partnered

so vote pooky

[skitter30]

why on earth this is the elo scum-him chooses i couldn't possibly say

the only team that i can see logically purposefully doing this elo is ct/t3 but they really don't like partnered
so i feel like i should stop weighing this point

pedit commitment is so hard >.>

[skitter30]

peta lmk if there's anything in particular you want to talk abt
--
pooky did you ever end up trying to see if ct/t3 look partnered i don't remember?

[skitter30]

>.>
can you please look too?

[skitter30]

and makes me think you didn't know that

that is correct, though of course i could just as easily not know that as scum so clearing me because of that wouldn't be good logic

i plan to do due diligence and read through pooky as well though

it isn't clearing it just means i don't think that you came in purposefully trying to use t3 to misflip me

[skitter30]

you think CT/T3 is the solve?

i think it's the most likely solve yeah

like still feels like it could be one-sided distancing to me and t3's vote of chicagotypewriter doesn't even really make sense like it comes after chicagotypewriter's claim has shifted the wagon to meuh without addressing that in anyway

and even if not chicagotypewriter most likely partner for both you and skitter as well

oh i skimmed these at work and forgot to come back to these
@medeia idk i still think ct's side is pretty clearing?

[skitter30]

so you think it's me + peta

no, i think it's you + one of {t3/ct}
but i want to talk to medeia to resolve if i should be unpartnering t3/ct

[skitter30]

mediea
can i get the cliffnotes version for why i should be unpartering ct/t3?

i gotta bounce for tonight unfortunately
tbh i think that sorting out the ct/t3 thing is the most important thing i can do today

[skitter30]

and is the easiest way to get this right

[skitter30]

right you're kinda indicating ur ok with ct, no?

[skitter30]

ok really got to bounce

@medeia cliffnotes would be great, it's possible you made them already and i missed them but can you just requote plz?

[skitter30]

Busy day at work will be around/respond tonight

[skitter30]

I did not know that! Also congrats pooky!!!

[skitter30]

i think that's fascinating because there were two slots that were similarly inactive/low content, but all the momentum was going toward voting out mine, the one i know is town

it's not a surefire thing but i would think if both my slot and T3 were town it would be positioned as an either/or thing rather than all attention going to chicage

Yes
I'm also really confused why pooky has been trying to get me to cross him this elo

[skitter30]

lol

fair enough but also i'm not sure that happens because i don't think demona makes that vote and i think T3 might just not be coming back to the game - he's 5 hours out from prod range and i would have zero surprise if he just decided to abandon the game altogether

i don't know wtf anyone can do about that

Fwiw this has basically been the approach to your slot too ...

[skitter30]

@medeia idk i still think ct's side is pretty clearing?

mediea
can i get the cliffnotes version for why i should be unpartering ct/t3?

it just doesn't seem impossible or even super improbable to me or anything and someone has to be partnered here and the nightkill stuff feels more clearing to me i guess,

like bloodhail says 't3 is easiest misflip in the world if town' but like, chicagotypewriter actually would have been for you/t3 or pooky/t3, just kill me eliminate chicagotypewriter

anyways:

Okay, I'm doing a little better on catch-up. The most important thing here is I needed to make sure I actually want to keep my RVS vote on T3.

Overall:
-T3 seriously voted for Kcdaspot 31, unvoted

six minutes later

34, and then seemed to indicate that the initial vote wasn't icky 226. I'm not a fan of this voting behavior.
-T3 supports Random Nurse over Medeia (and who in turn supports T3 back). I'm not sure I like this. Calling them a scumteam seems a bit too obvious as this point given how much they're supporting each other, but ... well, it's kind of weird from my perspective, given I have a scumlean on Random Nurse right now; given his main gripe against Medeia is the refusal to add a vote for pressure.
-T3 is currently at E-2 with my vote, I believe. I'm find with this.

Decision: Vote stays. I'm going to work on the rest of the catchup, be back in a bit. (By which I mean later today, if I can get to it.)

This just looks so beyond unaligned

idk with this i still worry that like, he made this whole case and everything for keeping the rvs vote and then when he finished the readslist the next time he was posting he moved his vote to random nurse saying it wasn't doing anything and such citing t3 not reacting to it and it's kinda hm to me and there was expected pressure on random nurse from his perspective from pooky/me

but yeah it is a case for partner at e-2 nonetheless

i guess this is still the post that looks the most unaligned with t3 to me but it was like, the only thing he was focused on up until that point and then when he does finish the catchup and presents his readslist he moves the vote because it wasn't doing anything but then says he scumreads t3 for not reacting to it and it's just like hmm

while also trying to pressure meuh who was also under pressure and then random nurse

and then later chicagotypewriter only goes back to t3 because skitter specifically asked him to:

Chicago can u vote t3 ?

Aye, ma'am, cat's paw away.
VOTE: T3
...
...
I reserve the right to blame you if anything goes wrong.

and i guess to me it's like, what other choice would chicagotypewriter have had there based on stated reads and it kinda feels like maybe he was trying to make you think it was a bad wagon even though he was supporting it

and then later in the day post claim and such chicagotypewriter refuses to join meuh wagon despite not townreading her emphasizing that he wants to stay on t3 (by himself) and it just feels more for show and such like the wagon had already shifted because of claim so chicagotypewriter probably wouldn't feel like he had to vote meuh for survival reasons

240 looks so beyond unaligned to me
Like he's making a point of casing his partner and announcing he's sticking on him, when iirc it was a vanity wagon (have to double check)

That's just ....

And the second quote - i think i was also asking him to vote meuh around there, and he refused meuh to vote t3

[skitter30]

Chicago are you willing to vote meuh or t3?

Bah. Ninja'd.
No to the first, yes to the second. My scumread on meuh is on the shakiest of grounds and I don't feel petty enough for an OMGUS ... yet.

Like he refused meuh (who was town) to vote t3 like three posts later

[skitter30]

I have a really, really hard time seeing this as aligned

Like i don't know which is scum but i don't think both are

[skitter30]

(Assuming town-mediea) which i think i'm ok with)

[skitter30]

VC 1.08

medeia (1): Random Nurse
Random Nurse (2): PookyTheMagicalBear, ChicagoTypewriter
ChicagoTypewriter (2): Meuh, skitter30
Meuh (1): ceejayvinoya

Not voting: T3, medeia, Kcdaspot

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-17 14:12:57).

This was the vc on the prior page
And i think meuh voted t3 on the next page, also at my request

So it's not like he needed to get on wagon before hos partner flipped

And for ct/t3 to be scum, when i offered voting meuh (town), or partner, he chose ro vote partner here

[skitter30]

Honestly could just be t3

[skitter30]

Indeed, t'would be fun

Or from your pov it's one of me/pooky with t3

I really don't know what pooky has been doing literally all game, his reads have been so bad

[skitter30]

>.>
I still can't get over ur rn scumread honestly

[skitter30]

B/c u spent like two dayphases insisting he was scum and that all of the prs couldnt ne town

And again with the egging on me voting you

[skitter30]

He was p obvious town tho and i still don't get how u didn't see rhat

Pedit i'm circling back to that honestly

[skitter30]

I think it's t3/pooky

[skitter30]

I think it's t3/pooky

is that just based on my posting or what

Well i still don't think ct/t3 are paired (if anyone would like to dispute that, please do so. ...)

So it has to be pooky if i accept town-medeua

And you posted something to the effect of 't3 can just lurk as scum' and then i was like ... it's probably just the simple answer here

[skitter30]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh should I just do it

[skitter30]

I don't like voting in elo
Don't want to get it wrong

Tbh i also don't know what i'm waiting for or what conclusion i'm expecting to be different so i probably just should

I just don'r want to have the game-ending vote if i'm wrong >.>

[skitter30]

you're either wrong or right and life will go on either way whatever you choose

I know but hard game hard and i don't like being wrong

[skitter30]

skitter if you think im mafia with t3 why would i have told you and medeia that I wanted to wait for repin when she wanted to vote for CT b4 the replacement happened

I don't see the downside in waiting

worst case scenario someone replaces in says "hi im scum im not giving you shit and self votes" and at least then we have certainty

Honestly no idea
There's a lot of pieces that i just can't make fit here no matter what team

[skitter30]

Ok wtf there is no way that bloodhail and skitter are partnered. Unless bloodhail is pulling off an insane scum madterclsss I just don’t see it

Wasnt this ur top scumteam this elo?

[skitter30]

Sigh

[skitter30]

Ok i'm going to look at t3/ct for associatives with pooky

Honestly t3 was my first scumread and i never townread him.i think he should be on the table

[skitter30]

As I understand it Scum team members will typically *fight* with each other early on, so I'm always looking for that tell.

I'm a veteran Mafia player but haven't played in about two years, so am rusty.

Saving this for later. Kinda curious on how accurate this is...

I don't know about this, actually. Staged fights are useful, sure, but there are benefits to other strategies.

This post really rubs me the wrong way. The conversation being had is about what strategies scum usually use, but then CT chimes in and talks about what strategies are

good

for scum. Like, why mention this?

So weird as partners

First few posts in iso are quite scummy

Pedit i need ro convince myself

[skitter30]

why is pooky even scum

Hmmmmmm

Ok this iso is kinda scummy ngl

[skitter30]

i was like 90% of the way to voting you and then I read peta's game where he said T3 just loves to bus his partners d1 and then i checked t3's iso and the only person he voted d1 who's still alive is CT so now I'm like screwed

Where sid he say that
Ok bur we still have t3 bussing him back?
And isnt peta the partner regardless

[skitter30]

This just seems like a kill that is obviously intended to frame me/Chicago as the scumteam.

Wut

[skitter30]

3 times between us, no?

[skitter30]

and here:
viewtopic.php?p=13165754#p13165754

How did you even find these

[skitter30]

I think i want to vot3 t3 here

[skitter30]

Ok so peta
Who is scum with t3 in the universe where t3 bussed his partners
Linked a game
Where he describes t3 doing exactly that?

[skitter30]

3 times between us, no?

correct yes

if you were on my team tho id just let you carry me again =]

:)

[skitter30]

I

thoughts on the way pooky is pushing skitter here?

I don’t really like it and I think skitter’s defense makes sense, but that’s not enough for me to change my opinion on skitter.

?????????????

Pooky’s pushback to skitter seemed like he was more trying to justify it to everyone else rather than engage with skitter ig. Skitter’s defense seemed natural and from a genuine place of a tunneled townie.

Soooooooo ur conclusionn on me is ...

[skitter30]

I don't understand anything t3 is doing this phase

[skitter30]

No i just hate elo and have a fear of commitment

[skitter30]

I think i'm just gonna vote t3

[skitter30]

- the night kills are so bizarre and i don't know who makes these, or why. It's a point against everyone so at this point i'm just discounting it and ignoring it. Those kills don't make sense from anyone's perspective
- maybe i should stick with my logic of voting pooky
- t3 is just so scummy tho >.>
- his comments last night are just all over the place i think his conclusion is that i was town which is .... ? based on prior comments
- i never townread him, nobody ever townread him, the first like half of his iso from when he was playing is p scummy, especially when we know now rn/brass (or sheep whichever replaced kdascot) are town, especially with you being so townie
- i don't know why he's ofd the table (i'm kinda wondering if pooky is trying to incite a 1v1 with me to distract from t3 -> he can maybe win the 1v1 with me but if our attention goes back to t3 why don't we just flip him)

[skitter30]

*conclusion i was scum in the post you just quoted

[skitter30]

I am not mafia >.>
Imagine the oddness you felt from pooky last night

The entire game
He's just been so weird ....