Micro 151: Mafia in New-Newbie Land (Game over!)

[Mac]

Morning guys! Currently at work at the moment, so it will be a while before I can get my thoughts organised about the game. Bear with me.

[Mac]

I will get to this, honest. But:

@ Mod

- going to have limited access for a couple of days.

[Mac]

Thoughts, as I read.:

Hey Mr e roll, all you ever do is ask questions and don't really provide analysis.

It's getting annoying. I also think it's a way to fake participation. Like hey I'll just keep asking questions to look like I'm helping but I'm not actually doing shit! I havent even given any opinions!

VOTE: Mr. E roll

(Shut your pie hole, Wisdom!)

Wisdom does this as well, and unlike Mr. E Roll, his questions/comments are pretty much pointless.

That being said, I don't like how Xegarus is essentially lurking at this point, so

VOTE: Xegarus

Not fond of this vote. Accuses Wisdom of pointless questions (translate: posting for the sake of it) before voting Xeg who hasn't contributed much. Doesn't really make sense.

Hey look at Xegarus. Gets called out for lurking and posts immediately.

Oh baby!

Hmmm.. 2 minutes? I could understand this post. 20 minutes? Yeah, I'd let you off. But two hours? It's not the most immediate post that has ever been made on this sight, it's a poor point and trying to manipulate the fact that Xeg posted after he was called out.

Lots of stuff going on…

I like Pala’s vote against Xeg for lurking in principle. It’s show that Pala is ready to leave the RVS behind but hasn’t found anything particularly scummy so is voting a policy lynch. This is hopefully going to force scum to participate more giving us more opportunities to catch scum slips.

Policy lynching is terrible unless warranted, and it has to be an extreme situation for me to agree with a policy lynch. Pala's vote is relatively safe because it's on an individual who was less involved in discussion at the time and it's weak reasoning that can easily be rectified. By that, I mean as soon as Xeg starts to contribute then Pala can move his vote again easily.

#131 is a very town post. mothrax could've sheeped Wisdom's reasoning for the question and gotten away with it: instead, she corrected both Wisdom and Mr E and explained her reasoning. Seems very genuine.

@ek I already explained why I voted without reasoning. You wanted a reaction test, you announced it making it harder for you to pull off. I was perfectly happy to grant your wish.

That said: I'm done with jiffy. I'm content with my read on him now that he is posting, and wisdom seems to know what he's talking about. Time to check some other people out.

Then this post makes me doubt my read. Not only are you stopping interactions with Majiffy by sheeping Wisdom saying, you say your vote was a reaction test which makes me think you are doing some major backtracking especially given how hard you & Majiffy pushed each other. It's almost like Mr E shadows it in #129.

Well, I've never seen you do it.

If you really didn't like it you'd remove your vote; especially if this is just "wagons for the sake of wagons" (is it just that here?)

Excellent point, this.

#223 is soo bad from Pala, it's amazing. The series of posts after it aren't great either and I can see why people think she is scummy.

#306 - I see Jake has picked up on this too, not sure how anyone else missed this.

Bork has an interesting change of heart in #323 from #211, what posts made you change your mind? Stop sheeping Majiffy and think for yourself. VOTE: Bork

Think we need a Pala replacement ASAP too.

[Mac]

Where did you explain it?

[Mac]

I was ninja'd about a million times: was talking to bork.

[Mac]

What a shit vote.

At no point did I say I did not like Mothrax for "that" - instead I said it made me doubt my reads and explained why.I also never said I liked bork at all,only that he raised a good point and then I voted for him (will get to that in aminute) - so you are totally misrepping me.

And then you top it off by saying because I didn't jump onto the hottest wagon, I'm scum. That is simply ridiculous.

[Mac]

(You sheeped me onto Wisdom)

And now I have cold feet because there is no bastion of towniness anywhere this game.

@Mac -- 323, 328.

I'm not asking why you voted for Pala. I'm asking the posts which made you reverse your reads.

My case against you is this;

This is why Pala is town

Meanwhile Jiffy doesn't like the intent to hammer so early, isn't sure about Xegarus' alignment (which is fine at this stage in general) but doesn't remove his vote

You say Pala is town and then point out Majiffy is acting strange: you are pretty much calling him scummy without actually saying it. Pala then has a series of reasonable poor posts which she explains and you end with:

Meh. I think I believe you.

Despite this read on Majiffy, you make no mention of him doing anything townie but start building upto actually following his lead (/inb4flowchartshit)

If this lack of activity continues to deadline I'm just gonna sheep Majiffy.

You've made no indication of Pala being scum and Majiffy being town at all in your posts until Pala says that your slip says you might not be town. You don't actually provide a case and when you do, it's VERY weak.

In #323 you say it's mainly sheeping Majiffy who you think is town DESPITE giving no indication towards this especially considering the only thing he's been saying is "VOTE PALA! SHEEP ME!"

Your second point is also rubbish, you've already admitted you feel Pala is pretty newb to this and now you're saying that he was "testing the waters" to see if anyone would join a bork vote. Why would he do that when Wisdom pointed out the slip and he can just sheep and blame Wisdom for it?

Then you absolutely ignore Pala asking why you think Majiffy is town - is that because you can't explain it?

To summarise: bork's case is not only weak, but contradictory to his earlier reads with no indication of them changing at all in his posts.

[Mac]

Do you want to remove your vote from me orrr..?

[Mac]

Why should I do that?

Any particular reason you want to lynch town?

HEY I CAN DO THAT TOO!

The real reason is you case makes ZERO sense and is based around misreps

[Mac]

Bork the sentence before I say stop sheeping Majiffy mentions it and asks you why.

Also:

I'm honestly surprised anyone has a huge townread on Majiffy at this point. His Xegarus hop is not something I expect from his town meta.

[Mac]

I'm honestly surprised anyone has a huge townread on Majiffy at this point. His Xegarus hop is not something I expect from his town meta.

Leaning town;

mothrax
Xeg

Null;

Majiffy
Jake
Pala
Wisdom (null-scum cus of your poor vote on me)
elvis (null-scum again)

Leaning scum;

bork

now you.

[Mac]

Bork the sentence before I say stop sheeping Majiffy mentions it and asks you why.

Yeah, I see. I think that's ok.

I'm not sure why you're quoting something from 11 pages ago though. Shit has changed since then.

Was I suppose to have joined and ignored everything posted prior to it? Is this your way of discrediting my case?

[Mac]

Because I felt your townread came from nowhere 11 pages ago and you sheeped him.

And you're trying to discredit it by saying it happened pages ago and that things have changed since then.

[Mac]

That's the explanation I was looking for.

[Mac]

And remind me why you think bork is town?

Remind me why you think I'm scum after I've explained why your case is wrong?

[Mac]

Why do you think that scum can't "explain" that a case on them is "wrong"?

They can, but a townsperson would respond to the explanation.

[Mac]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Mac]

You still actually haven't given a good reason as to why I'm scum.

[Mac]

Not really.
It's D1, we have nothing more than gut and minor things to go off.
There have been such things in your posts, in elvis' posts and in Mac's posts, all of which I have pointed out.

Can you please explain the difference between this & 512?

You say Jake's reasons for bork being town are weak, but then her you seem to be supporting the fact that reasoning on d1 is pretty weak.

[Mac]

But then you didn't argue when Jake said 513?

[Mac]

Maybe you should provide a case for that instead of just saying that and hoping people do it?

[Mac]

No she can't because she'll be instalynched tomorrow.

[Mac]

96 is also terrible, she really has it in for Xeg from that point on.

Also... has the deadline passed...?

[Mac]

That was on Monday, though and Quilford has his replacements?

[Mac]

Which was on Monday.

I don't know if I'm being an idiot here but 1 day and 9 hours has passed since Monday.

[Mac]

HEY I GET IT!!!!

I feel ashamed that that took so long. My apologies Wisdom, thanks for the explanation.

[Mac]

Give me a case on why elvis is scum.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

[Mac]

Xeg your case in elvis is like all "she's tunneling me!" Would scumElvis really tunnel townXeg so bad?

[Mac]

What part of elvis/Xeg did not look like townvtown Wisdom?

I unvoted Wisdom yesterday during a break at work intending to look at all the stuff I'd missed; by the time I came back, nothing I could say would change what had happened. I wasn't actually sure where my vote was going to go and needed a look back at the pages I'd missed during work, but I ended up just going to bed after the hammer.

elvis, who are the scum now?

[Mac]

elvis, who are the scum now?

Mac, who are the scum now? Why do you ask elvis when you didn't provide your reads either?

Because I didn't lock into a single scumread yesterday and push it until it flipped town.

[Mac]

elvis, who are the scum now?

Mac, who are the scum now? Why do you ask elvis when you didn't provide your reads either?

Because I didn't lock into a single scumread yesterday and push it until it flipped town.

Minus the unvoting part you more or less did, but regardless that's no reason for you not to provide your thoughts.

That's not true for a start like, because I had a couple of votes on the go, and I unvoted because I wasn't sure about Xeg and his self-hammer claims. Majiffy hammered before I could even begin to read. So I didn't really lock into a scum read. Was also waiting for elvis' reply before giving them.

Jake seems pretty town I think. mothrax I thought was town but dismissing Majiffy as town because "too much WIFOM" is a pretty shit reason. Null. Elvis I'm pretty null on. not sure I could see scum tunneling the shit out of someone they know would flip town. bork? still leaning scum for reasons I stated yesterday, need a closer look at him. Leaning scum on Wisdom and Majiffy too.

[Mac]

Downgrade me all you want, but what's different from you/Jake/Wisdom speculating if Majiffy is scum regarding the NK and eventually someone (possibly Wisdom) saying it's null and mothrax saying he's probtown for it?

That's shitty reasoning. That's not a difference of opinion.

[Mac]

What's the difference? Is (s)he explains it well I'll give her townpoints back.

That's a good conclusion to make. So don't you find it strange that moth can find Majiffy town for that without a proper explanation?

[Mac]

Also bork if you could clarify what's wrong with 5 out of 6 null or scumreads, that would be great.

[Mac]

I don't think it's scummy though, it's just ruffled my feathers for now. There's already been a question posed to morthax wrt to her Majiffy read: that's why I've bumped her to null. Maybe leaning town if you want to push it but still, she's not as strong a read as she once was especially after concluding that following you/Wisdom/Jake's discussion.

null != scum. You seem to be suggesting that if a wagon appeared for someone like mothrax or elvis, my null reads, then I'd hop on it. that's just putting words in my mouth, and I'm not sure how you can come to this conclusion.

it's a bit rich coming from you to say that I'd consider lynching anyone but my townread when you did the exact same thing earlier in the game in voting your townread for so little. And I know you'll be all like "uuuuh that was pages ago" but I don't care, it's still relevant.

[Mac]

If I thought it was scummy, surely I'd say I was null-leaning-scum or something? But no, null means I can be swayed depending on explanation.

It's not even a misrep. Just because I have them at null it DOES NOT mean I would consider lynching them without substantial evidence. If you want I can just say that I'll lynch from Wisdom, bork and Majiffy today unless extreme circumstances happen. Does that make you happier?

You're voting me for apparently leaving all my options open when there's only two people you won't lynch today in mothrax and Jake. You would've said me but apparently I blew my read on you by unvoting Wisdom. So now I've said there's three people I won't lynch today, how does that make you feel?

asking me to reconcile my reads and then voting me in the next post is very good. how exactly am I diving around mothrax? it's waiting for an explanation.

Accusing me of leaving my options open is pretty much the same as jumping on a wagon; you are getting at the fact that I will be easily swayed by anyone other than Jake.

And finally, #509 wasn't me accepting your explanation. It was me happy you were able to explain yourself without you saying something that LOOKED like you were trying to wave it away. It was enough for me to move on, sure, but not enough for me to forget.

[Mac]

Accusing me of leaving my options open is pretty much the same as jumping on a wagon; you are getting at the fact that I will be easily swayed by anyone other than Jake.

This is the crux of everything you're trying to say here. Yes, I AM saying you're leaving it open to be swayed by anyone other than Jake, because you can always just go back to "well I was null on them but now I'm convinced". I'm not saying that you were just going to jump on the first wagon that got traction, but seriously, transitioning a null read into a scum read is really really really easy.

But similarly, it's easy to transfer into a town read too. You're suggestion of this is assuming I'm scum; please consider the idea that I am actually town with these reads.

And I say this because

it DOES NOT mean I would consider lynching them without substantial evidence. If you want I can just say that I'll lynch from Wisdom, bork and Majiffy today unless extreme circumstances happen. Does that make you happier?

You're voting me for apparently leaving all my options open when there's only two people you won't lynch today in mothrax and Jake. You would've said me but apparently I blew my read on you by unvoting Wisdom. So now I've said there's three people I won't lynch today, how does that make you feel?

This is the kind of shit you say about town reads, not null reads. I got no impression from your post #1045 that you were so averse to lynching mothrax or elvis, so I am inclined to think you're saying this now because I want you to say it now.

In #1045 I say I thought mothrax was town but now I'm kinda null because of the Majiffy comment. So effectively null but leaning kinda town yeah? And then I say elvis is null and then say that I'm not sure if I could see scum tunnelling town like that, which implies I felt she was kinda towny too.

[Mac]

Town also makes poorly phrased sentences that infer a party they are calling scum is town. So unless you've got more to call Mac scum for,

That being said, Mac has still avoided any and all direct interactions with me, so I'm going to keep my vote on him until I can get a read on him.

When I first read this question, I thought "this is scum trying to link me too him in case he dies." I've read it several times since then and still feel the same.

When I have ever avoid direct interactions with you? And when have you ever interacted with me, other than "look in my ISO?"

VOTE: Majiffy

[Mac]

But similarly, it's easy to transfer into a town read too. You're suggestion of this is assuming I'm scum; please consider the idea that I am actually town with these reads.

I am always considering that you might be town -- I don't look for arguments to back up my conclusion; that's confirmation bias. Also this quoted sentence reads like you

know

I'm town that is trying to figure something out. You're not treating me at all like someone you think is scum, which conflicts with your stated read on me.

What I'm doing is considering motivations behind why you'd say what you said there and the justifications you gave for them, and they don't sit well with me:

I still think you're retroactively adjust these reads to put Mothrax and elvis into a town pile based on nothing but pressure from me. If you were town I don't know why you'd just not have done that in #1045. Alternatively, If you were town and really DID have Mothrax and elvis as null I'd have expected some pushback with a concession of the sort like "Mothrax has been really sketchy today due to that read on Majiffy and I just can't get enough out of elvis to go either way" and that should

alarm

you.

But instead you tried to waffle out of it in order to get me to back off.

Why are you twisting my words?

I clearly state that, in the originally phrasing, I'm null on moth and elvis but both appear to be leaning town. I've never once said I'd consider the lynch of moth or elvis. Regardless of whether they were null, I'd still prefer my scumreads to be lynched rather than my nullreads, hence I said I won't lynch from them after you brought it up.

Now you've tried to twist this into me changing my reads to suit you which I think is simply not true.

I can choose to adjust my reads how I like to be honest: your attempts at pressure aren't going to stop me thinking moth is null until she explains her reads.

[Mac]

What do you want me to say to that? You haven't asked me anything, just "something of value" and then you don't even read what I have to say to bork. What more can I do?

Attacking people who townread you? Nah, not that. Attacking people who townread you for poor reasons? Yeah, that.

[Mac]

I thought it was obvious why I was leaning scum on you, your hammer on Xeg yesterday. Whether you like it or not, I found you scummy for it because it's almost like it let Wisdom off the hook. Your vote was on him up until the Xeg wagon which you hammered, and since then you haven't even considered voting him again. One could say you've avoid all direct interactions with him today.

The whole of #1082 is a massive contradiction. "unless you've got more to call Mac scum for"... and then you keep your vote on me despite having nothing to call me scum for? It's almost like you are trying to defend me and distance from me at the same time: I find that it looks like scum trying to take the middle ground.

[Mac]

Imagine Majiffy flips scum in the near future, and you read back and see that post. What will you think?

[Mac]

I didn't vote bork, elvis.

[Mac]

I don't know what you are going on about wishy-washy reads when I've listed Majiffy as leaning scum since the start of d2. That post just made me lean scum alot stronger.

[Mac]

"Using a townread as a bargaining chip"

whut?

[Mac]

Misrep.

I don't find her less town for having a townread on you, but how she came to this conclusion. Funny how you've went from null to scum on me and backing it up with things that happened before you called me null.

[Mac]

I was talking about mothrax.

[Mac]

Your post. The one you quoted at the top of the page which apparently says I'm scum but also says you want to get a read on me. You know that one?

[Mac]

There is nothing wrong with my statements. At all. Let me break it down for you in the next post, yeah?

[Mac]

Page 43 is me and bork exchanging posts on me downgrading mothrax to null pretty much.

Town also makes poorly phrased sentences that infer a party they are calling scum is town. So unless you've got more to call Mac scum for,

That being said, Mac has still avoided any and all direct interactions with me, so I'm going to keep my vote on him

until I can get a read on him.

This is the post that makes me feel like Majiffy is trying to link us: the first line looks like a soft defence, and the second looks like he's trying to show we're distancing. I mean, he says he doesn't agree with bork calling me scum. and then says I've avoided any interactions with him which is just lies; there are no questions of his that I have ignored and therefore he can also be accused of not interacting with me. and then the bolded part is the most interesting cos he's effectively calling me a nullread here. note that down for later on.

then we have this;

Mac is super wishy-washy and quite easily went from wishy-washy to voting bork after bork voted him. That is ze scum eh.

obviously this isn't true because I haven't voted bork today and I tell elvis this.

I didn't vote bork, elvis.

And then address the "wishy-washy reads" I'm accused of which is rubbish because I called Majiffy as possible scum in my reads earlier on;

I don't know what you are going on about wishy-washy reads when I've listed Majiffy as leaning scum since the start of d2. That post just made me lean scum alot stronger.

The confusing part is obviously "that post" which is referring to Majiffy's post which I voted him for. Thought that was pretty obvious but evidently not.

Then I'm accused of "bargaining towncred" or some shit which is flat out lies from Majiffy who is now trying to twist everything I say into being scum.

Misrep.

I don't find her less town for having a townread on you, but how she came to this conclusion. Funny how you've went from null to scum on me and backing it up with things that happened before you called me null.

Here I'm talking about mothrax because I thought that's who we were talking about. Did not realise he was a male, and I've been calling him female all game. My bad.

In this case, "I find you

less town

because you have this read on Majiffy that doesn't help me"

That's what made me think we were talking about mothrax, because I've never said such a thing about elvis.

This is what I called you scum for, so that's a blatant lie.

That being said, Mac has still avoided any and all direct interactions with me, so I'm going to keep my vote on him until I can get a read on him.

Then there's the part where you've already lied about this. And you keep lying about it. Because it's the only argument you have to support Majiffy-scum.

Again the post that actually says he doesn't have a read on me. There's no lies in my case. Majiffy is just getting his knickers in a twist because he's been caught.

[Mac]

These votes on me are a series of misreps and confusions. I'm not scum. And I'm fairly certain Majiffy is actually the scum.

[Mac]

I don't find her less town for having a townread on you,

but how she came to this conclusion.

You do?

That statement is what I have the biggest issue with. Before that you were saying you wanted to wait for my explanation then it was "I have an issue with the why" before I even said anything. Or at least before you aknowledged that I did.

That was under the assumption you used WIFOM as a reason for Majiffy being town.

[Mac]

Pretty sure I've already refuted all of the above before.

Feel free to point out where.

[Mac]

I don't know what you [ELVIS] are going on about wishy-washy reads when I've listed Majiffy as leaning scum since the start of d2. That post [BY MAJIFFY] just made me lean scum [ON MAJIFFY] alot stronger.

Is this correct?

Yes. In every way.

[Mac]

Err wait, I am wrong.

I first thought it was Majiffy, then Majiffy made it clear he thought Mac was talking about elvis

Then Mac segued into fucking mothrax for whatever reason.

Let's back the fuck up here.

It's not specifically "I will give you a town read" but the bargain of reading a player

more or less town

depending on if they do things the scum finds favorable.

In this case, "I find you

less town

because you have this read on Majiffy that doesn't help me"

Apparently this is about elvis when I've only said such a thing about moth. this is why I assumed we were talking about moth here.

[Mac]

This is what I called you scum for, so that's a blatant lie.

That being said, Mac has still avoided any and all direct interactions with me, so I'm going to keep my vote on him until I can get a read on him.

Then there's the part where you've already lied about this. And you keep lying about it. Because it's the only argument you have to support Majiffy-scum.

Going to ask this one more time: what point of the quoted post calls me scum?

Hint: it doesn't.

[Mac]

No. We were talking about Mac addressing them. Because that was kind of the point of the argument.

You were arguing that he had addressed them, by way of saying that I was misrepping him. So either you can evince that he addressed these points, or you are misrepping about me misrepping.

Are you fucking serious? You linked them and said that those are my "homework", and said that I had only addressed the first argument of each wall.
How much more will you misrep?

Homework. As in

read

.

Fucking idiot.

This is what I called you scum for, so that's a blatant lie.

That being said, Mac has still avoided any and all direct interactions with me, so I'm going to keep my vote on him until I can get a read on him.

Then there's the part where you've already lied about this. And you keep lying about it. Because it's the only argument you have to support Majiffy-scum.

Going to ask this one more time: what point of the quoted post calls me scum?

Hint: it doesn't.

Hint: I said it's what I called you scum

for

.

Because you continued to do it. And you continued to get scummeir.
Also I note that you ignored - once again, go figure! - my two spoilered arguments for why you're scum.

Nope wrong. I interacted with you after that, so that's a lie. That post states I'm null because I avoid interacting with you -> I interact with you, and I'm scum?

LOGIC'd.

I'm pretty ill at the moment and probably won't be able to comprehend whatever bollocks you are twisting into me being scummy.

[Mac]

Nope wrong.

I interacted with you after that, so that's a lie.

That post states I'm null because I avoid interacting with you -> I interact with you, and I'm scum?

You mean after I started pushing your lynch? That doesn't refute earlier actions.

Prettttttyyyy sure you're pushing my lynch because I've caught you as scum and now you're trying to use a series of confusing posts to make me look like scum.

Didn't you yourself defend me for doing something similar like paaaages ago, when you called me null? The post that made me think you were scum? Yeah.

[Mac]

I will be amazed if Majiffy flips town.

[Mac]

It goes without saying that I think he needs to be hammered.

[Mac]

majiffy is scum.

[Mac]

I'm like 99% certain Majiffy will flip scum here.

[Mac]

because I want him lynched

[Mac]

because he's scum?

[Mac]

The way he's playing is just not Majiffy.

[Mac]

bork's case is just a really nice summary, can't argue with anything he's said and neither can Majiffy so that pretty much confirms it for me.

[Mac]

well it does because I don't think townMajiffy would act the way he has for the stuff bork has said. again, the fact he only addressed one point and continues to ignore mine is a key factor here.

[Mac]

I haven't defended Wisdom by the way, your scumread on me is based on "wishy-washy" ewads which I don't feel is true.

[Mac]

I haven't defended Wisdom by the way, your scumread on me is based on "wishy-washy" ewads which I don't feel is true.

You're right you haven't defended wisdom. I was simplifying and posting from phone in bed.

Your reads seem really incremental and changed easily based on small actions. That is what I mean and it is true. Maybe that's just the way you think though. I see just personal play style as a potential explanation, tbh.

But they're not massively changed though. It's not like I'm calling mothrax outright scum for it, it's maybe my playstyle but it's still not as wishy-washy as you are making it out to be.

[Mac]

Mac how do you feel about bork associating elvis with Majiffy?

Pretty null.

I've down it as town & scum. Maybe he should've kept it to himself until seeing whether Majiffy flipped but I don't make anything of it.

[Mac]

Who do you see as Majiffy's partner then?

I want to figure this out later but at a guess (disregarding reads atm) I think everyone except bork & possibly Jake could be a partner. I don't think Jake's a partner right now because his recent posting doesn't strike me as scummy.

[Mac]

I've seen worse reasoning for putting someone at L-1 than bork's case, all of which is true. bork is probably town if Majiffy flips scum.

[Mac]

Well yeah elvis had said what she said about it and I assumed you were asking me a similar question.

[Mac]

I'll get home tonight and re-read better but your hop on jiffy stood out. If you are town don't get so pissy

Idon't see it as a hop. He said he may have been harsh (or whatever he said) on me and said pretty much that I had a bit of a point with Majiffy and expanded on why he was voting Majiffy. Those reason to me seemed pretty fucking legit, something that's hard to as scum. 3 detailed points he made on Majiffy to which Majiffy could only respond to one before he rolled over and said 'lynch me.' Would town REALLY say lynch me if tomorrow was lylo? Especially when, as you said, it's easy for town to paint someone as scummy. Yet Majiffy says "yeah, Wisdom/Mac. lynch me and get them!"

[Mac]

How is Jiffy probtown? Have you read the thread at all?

[Mac]

Yes we are. Hence why Majiffy's lack of fighting makes no sense from a town perspective.

[Mac]

going to be fucking piss annoying if he's town.

pedit - scum are more likely to self hammer?

[Mac]

Oh hey, Majiffy flipped scum. That's very pleasing for my inner self.

[Mac]

I am also down with a massclaim too.

[Mac]

What's the benefit of massclaiming btw? At this very moment in time?

[Mac]

Yes sir.

[Mac]

See the questions I was pondered about the mass claim made me wonder if bork was the scum rolefishing. But I blocked Wisdom last night.

[Mac]

N1 I blocked bork.

But I knew Majiffy was scum cos he was banking on it being column three and town having a cop when he tried to guide the cop.

[Mac]

What if elvis is town Wisdom?

[Mac]

If we lynch elvis today and i block you again, whats to stop scum from no-nk again and then we lynch you and are in lylo? (I think)


Plan is flawed.

[Mac]

I have alot to say when I'm not phone posting so I wouldn't mind holding off a hammer for now.

[Mac]

Why would scum likely be lynched today?

[Mac]

This is pretty fucking riveting.

Wisdom's #1495 is null; it's clearly his only way out if he is scum so whatever. I've demonstrated definite potential ROI for scum killing on N2.

Mac -- you seemed earlier like you had some more stuff you wanted to say.

Still not at a pc. Tomorrow for sure

[Mac]

Because by single remaining scum I mean elvis, who would likely get lynched today because of association with Majiffy.
Speaking of which, I really don't understand why you blocked anyone over her.

If elvis knew she was getting lynched today then surely her assumption would be she would get rb'd too; therefore nking would be pointless and she may as well take a pop?

[Mac]

If elvis knew she was getting lynched today then surely her assumption would be she would get rb'd too; therefore nking would be pointless and she may as well take a pop?

Not necessarily; not everyone suspected her that much and she didn't know who the RB is.

You said elvis was likely to get lynched and now you are saying elvis wasn't suspected that much?

VOTE: Wisdom

I'm done.

Somethings I had to say (would go in more detail if I could be bothered, certain Wisdom is the scum);

- Majiffy calling Wisdom goon and me PR after voting Wisdom was what I felt a bussing manoevur to get me mislynched next day.
- I was worried bork might actually be the scum when he immediately came out and asked for masslclaims. however that thought quickly left my head.
- Wisdom is like 99% scum for me at this point. should he not flip scum I will block elvis. providing no one else has anymore input. if wisdom is town and another no kill tomorrow night, what are the chances scum have played us again?

[Mac]

because I don't think Majiffy, as scum, would push for the lynch of two townees and be so 'certain'. plus he voted you, calling you goon and me PR. To me, that was just bussing you to set up my mislynch today had you died yesterday.

[Mac]

Nope.

Not that it matters, now.

[Mac]

Interesting point about bork.

[Mac]

What are you getting pissy about? If I were to change my mind and block you, you'd just be conftown tomorrow?

[Mac]

Yeah, I'll stick with elvis.

[Mac]

Unlucky town, bork in particular. Well played Jake.

On an unrelated note, what is the correct etiquette after a possible gamechanging flip? truth, troll or shut up?