micro 429: m9++. epilogue.

TierShift · Post Post #20 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:08 am

VOTE: sordros

Cop guilty.

TierShift · Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:21 am

sordros looks like scum caught for the wrong reasons.

ALSO DUTCH DOMINANCE

TierShift · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:21 am

What is wrong with a L-2 wagon on obvscum, dave?

TierShift · Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:28 am

mod, myko voted sordros

votecounter probably needs a colon to work

TierShift · Post Post #32 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:40 am

You're scum because willow has a cop guilty on you. But even if it were not true, you're first overreacting and now bing all like 'I don't mind being at L-2'. Doesn't match up.

What's keeping you, dave?
Please no fencesit.

TierShift · Post Post #34 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:43 am

I like myko.

TierShift · Post Post #36 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:48 am

Right, I'm stating the cop guilty as being fake as a possibility. But the reaction to it is also concerning, don't you think?

TierShift · Post Post #43 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:35 am

Why didn't you assume that earlier and did you need to ask?

TierShift · Post Post #44 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:38 am

In post 36, TierShift wrote:Right, I'm stating the cop guilty as being fake as a possibility. But the reaction to it is also concerning, don't you think?

@dave

TierShift · Post Post #49 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:52 am

Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

TierShift · Post Post #56 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:40 am

In post 51, davesaz wrote:
In post 49, TierShift wrote:Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

So you would vote him if it were not for it being L-2?

TierShift · Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:42 am

Vyse, from your posts I see you think sordos is the scummiest player atm. Why aren't you voting him?

TierShift · Post Post #64 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:10 am

No, by voting you'd be getting more information, not by waiting.

You're still fencesitting an extreme amount.

TierShift · Post Post #66 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:53 am

UNVOTE:

Actually, I don't. But what better way to get the game started than with a huge three page reaction test?

TierShift · Post Post #68 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:18 pm

Myko you have not been serious about sor at any point, have you?

TierShift · Post Post #70 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:20 pm

Why sor?

TierShift · Post Post #71 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:20 pm

Tbh scum is probably within the fencesitters that all called me town

TierShift · Post Post #72 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:23 pm

That includes cyrus, vysepresident and to a lesser extent fuduzn

Especially vyse who just agrees with what I'm saying but doesn't want to vote and instead wants to follow some shit meta excuse
VOTE: Vyse

TierShift · Post Post #77 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:34 am

In post 74, davesaz wrote:Fine, whatever.

I bet there's scum in one of those four.

UNVOTE:

Wait, what?

Why the f did you unvote?

In post 75, sordros wrote:
In post 71, TierShift wrote:Tbh scum is probably within the fencesitters that all called me town

Ok, I disagree with you on thinking I overreacted, but I agree on this last remark.

I don't think you overreacted either, I was just pushing you to see who'd hop on the wagon. I don't really have a read on you atm, all you've done is defend yourself, which is null.

TierShift · Post Post #78 (isolation #19) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:37 am

In post 54, VysePresident wrote:-I'm getting a mild scum read from sordos at this point, partly for the shift in tone Willow & Tier are referring to,

I hate this because I don't thnk there's actually been a change in tone. To me, this shows that he's not really evaluating the game and just goes with the suspicion other people put on players, which is scummy as hell.

TierShift · Post Post #86 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:38 am

TierShift · Post Post #87 (isolation #21) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:39 am

I asked you a question: why did you unvote?

TierShift · Post Post #121 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:14 am

In post 88, davesaz wrote:Why did you lie?

for the lulz.

Really, I thought: "I can vote cyrus now because I think her ignorance at the claim looks more newb than I expect her to be. But instead, I can get this game moving super rapidly by voting a player to L-2, push super hard and look at the reaction of the player who L-1's after I unvote and declare reaction test".
Reactiontestception.

Please tell us why you unvoted now.

TierShift · Post Post #122 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:16 am

In post 97, davesaz wrote:Didn't I just say that Willow's joke / pseudo claim puts him in the possible scum pile?

Why is joking in RVS scummy? Do you see scum doing that more often than town?

In post 98, davesaz wrote:But I'm in no hurry to switch. Mustn't look like I'm bowing to pressure.

Why aren't you voting the person you think has highest chance of being scum?

TierShift · Post Post #124 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:18 am

In post 100, VysePresident wrote:What I'm seeing looks more like weak play than scuminess,
and some people were awfully quick to vote for him. :/

fuckin true

In post 100, VysePresident wrote:@Tier - You're a massive pain to sort out, y'know that? Where do you stand on Dave, sordos, & myself at present? You seem to be pushing the first pretty hard, but I note your vote's still on me.

I have not pushed dave at any point, why are you saying that?
atm I have you as scum. It's why I'm voting you. My ISO should explain.
If you've read said ISO, you'd have seen my read on sordos as well.

TierShift · Post Post #126 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:21 am

okay shit I just made the shift in tone up as an excuse to vote sordos but there actually is one

TierShift · Post Post #128 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:24 am

wait dave I don't understand you
Who are the 4 people you constantly talk about and why do you group them together?

TierShift · Post Post #129 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:24 am

myko can you actually post something useful please

TierShift · Post Post #130 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:27 am

I 100% agree with everything vyse has said on the previous page

VOTE: fuduzn

Vyse, one thing. Why did you vote brantz for not contributing when on page 2/3 while you actually had a mild scumread on sordros?

TierShift · Post Post #131 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:28 am

In post 112, sordros wrote:Wow. This forum is pretty active. But Dave does have a point. I think Tier lied somewhere when changing his read on me. I'll dig for the quotes later today.

okay this might be scum

TierShift · Post Post #133 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:30 am

In post 107, davesaz wrote:I'll be blunt here, because it's bugging the shit out of me.

I can't see
ANYTHING
that I've done as the
SLIGHTEST
bit scummy. It is textbook town.

WTF is wrong with all of you?

lol are you high

TierShift · Post Post #134 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:31 am

I saw that post, but it doesn't explain why you chose those 4.

TierShift · Post Post #136 (isolation #32) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:33 am

In post 111, mykonian wrote:
In post 100, VysePresident wrote:What I'm seeing looks more like weak play than scuminess, and some people were awfully quick to vote for him.

No.

There's weak play, there's weak town play, and there's weak scum play. This is the last. Everybody can look at dave and see a weak player. Then's the question wether he's scum knowing that or he's town. His posting is seriously scum motivated. His votes, his pushing of tier "because he lied" etc.

Don't pull this shit defense.

idgi.
Why is his voting pattern scum motivated?

TierShift · Post Post #137 (isolation #33) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:35 am

fuduzn, could I get some reads from you?

TierShift · Post Post #140 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:00 am

I think that assumption/hypothesis is flawed. If I were scum, I'd be okay with being on my buddy's wagon.
Furthermore, an RVS wagon doesn't necessarily contain scum.

I think your own wagon is a much stronger candidate for such a point, except I expect both scum to be in there.

TierShift · Post Post #141 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:02 am

cyrus stinks
sordros stinks
myko sthinks to a lesser extent
fu stinks to a lesser extent
vyse is town
dave probably town

TierShift · Post Post #142 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:03 am

willow undecided. What's your current view on dave, willow?

TierShift · Post Post #145 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:10 am

All you've done has been super easy, just parroting other people's stances.

I might consider voting someone else soon. I'm not aprticularly hasty to do so.

TierShift · Post Post #153 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:24 pm

In post 146, Cyrus wrote:Why do you think he's probably town?

He's too dense to be scum. And doing shit that usually doesn't help you in getting votes removed from you.

In post 147, BRantz wrote:@Tier: Why skip me in your reads? Am I that unmemorable?

Actually, yes. Thought about addng you, but had nothing to say. Probably town.

TierShift · Post Post #155 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:06 pm

Is this the 'I won't elobarate because if I elaborate my stuff doesn't work anymore' kinda thing?

Or elaborate on your things

TierShift · Post Post #167 (isolation #40) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:34 pm

In post 156, mykonian wrote:Guess who was confused, soft defended dave simply on weakness, not on wether he's weak scum or not, then takes that as a stepping stone to attack the attackers (call it
buddying
, dont really care) and practically needs walls to explain everything they think and pushes a lot of questions without following up on the answers?

Vyse.

So you think dave is town and vyse is scum?
I think the dave wagon was scummy, so I'm definitely okay with his hunting on the wagon. You don't think that wagon went crazily fast?

What's your read on cyrus?

TierShift · Post Post #175 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:59 pm

VOTE: cyrus

Join, for the glory of mafiascum!

TierShift · Post Post #178 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:23 pm

META FROM ONLY ONE ALIGNMENT DOESN'T WORK

IF YOU KNOW YOUR OWN META IT DOESN'T WORK

Now vote CYRUS with me

TierShift · Post Post #179 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:23 pm

In post 174, FuDuzn wrote:
In post 162, FuDuzn wrote:
In post 161, Cyrus wrote:I have been pretty clear that Tier is my top town read, FuDunz. I haven't cast a single aspiration towards him. Unless you think a) town should let clear accusations towards them go unquestioned and b) it makes perfect sense for someone to not vote their top scum reads.

I prefer to have something I can argue against when I'm being scum read other than, "hey, you're scummy."

Maybe it is the beer talking, but I have read this post multiple times and still have no idea what you are going on about.

Ok I read this a second time, still drinking beer though, not sure what confused me the first time.

You rapid fire made two posts calling tier out for saying he doesn't like some players more than he doesn't like me, yet still votes me. It sounds exactly like you are trying to discredit his scum reads........or at least call them into question.

you want to vote cyrus, I know it.

TierShift · Post Post #184 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:17 am

wait, dave is still voting me?

why are you still voting me?

TierShift · Post Post #190 (isolation #45) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:23 am

DAVE DO SHIT INSTEAD OF SELF META BULLSHIT

TierShift · Post Post #202 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:53 pm

In post 192, davesaz wrote:@Tier

What do you make of this?

In post 82, Whomping Willow wrote:VOTE: Dave

None of this curtailing to pressure so easily was present in the other game, and the weird waffly politiciany evasive responses are bad aswell

In post 99, Whomping Willow wrote:I never claimed cop. My post just had some weird formatting issues.

In post 172, Whomping Willow wrote:#lurking

I don't really have a strong opinion on this.
What's yours?

TierShift · Post Post #239 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:09 am

cyrus probz

TierShift · Post Post #241 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:30 am

you did give me townpoints for that tho

TierShift · Post Post #261 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:11 am

V/la from dec 23-jan 12

Able to post, but there will definitely be periods without posting.

Posting tonight.

TierShift · Post Post #273 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:58 am

Wait, prohawk is in this game? Cool.

Town here, no lynch me pls

TierShift · Post Post #286 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:01 am

In post 247, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
ProHawk replaces sordros!

Ohey prohawk replaced scummy slot interesting

TierShift · Post Post #287 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:04 am

In post 257, VysePresident wrote:
In post 245, Cyrus wrote:All I can say in response to the quick read is that I'm useless, I know, but I'm town. I don't think there's anything I can do or say that will convince anyone of that.

I hate this kind of post so much. >_<

Do you think it's scummy?

In post 266, mykonian wrote:
In post 265, ProHawk wrote:
In post 258, VysePresident wrote:
-I still want one of ProHawk/FuDuzn lynched by the end of the day. I'm leaning slightly towards Hawk at present, but I'll wait to hear from him first.

I just want to comment on this real quickly because I just saw the vote-count and noticed that you were voting for... Brantz. Running through a quick ISO I saw you called him town even at one point. I'm not real sure that you are genuinely scum-hunting cause you lynch people with votes not words... although I have seen town do this before (newbie town) I'm not so sure you qualify as that.

boring

What myko said. Fucking lame post.

TierShift · Post Post #288 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:12 am

In post 267, ProHawk wrote:Prepare to be amazed Myko.

Your next post does not deserve amazement.

In post 268, ProHawk wrote:Myconian and FuzDzn are off the table for being lynched.

Good thing neither are lynchable, non?

Tier was scum up until post #66. I actually thought this game was lyncher-Tier on Sordros.

Do you even know the setup? Did you really think I was scum there?

I don't think scum would have been balsy enough to vote for Willow just because of his bread-'loaf' of being a cop as it would have drawn quite a bit of attention. Not wanting to lynch Cyrus.

I don't thnk that's deserving of a townread at page 12, is it?

And then Tier gets scummy again. I think he forgot he isn't in a hydra... maybe because he considers this player-list to be relatively new? Not sure...

I'm sorry, what are you trying to say here? That I'm scum and don't care about acting townish because everyone is new?

Why am I scummy?

I guess I can see the case for Cyrus intentionally acting like a new-player for newbie-cred, especially when he confessed to being ancient.

She has? Where?

TierShift · Post Post #289 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:13 am

In post 276, ProHawk wrote:Tier, my major scum-vibe from you comes from your 180 reads shift, can you explain what is going on?

Well, if you tell me what you're talking about, I might elaborate.

I'm sure you're familiar with my towngame which is full of 180 read shifts.

TierShift · Post Post #290 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:15 am

I want to vote at least 4 people in this game.

TierShift · Post Post #293 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:27 am

Current list is
Brantz
Cyrus
Hawk
(Sb) lack of input from the slot

TierShift · Post Post #295 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:42 am

Sheeping me on cyrus felt a tad weird.
Let me say that the list is not in order; I'd definitely lynch hawk and cyrus over you.

TierShift · Post Post #298 (isolation #58) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:04 pm

Look, dipshit, you're not going to disengage from me now. I asked you questions.

Add to those questions: why is vyse scum?

TierShift · Post Post #301 (isolation #59) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:14 pm

You know nothing.

I want you to answer a post directed at you.

TierShift · Post Post #302 (isolation #60) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:21 pm

Also, if you are going to actually push your argument against me, I'm going to refer to mastin's game. Do you want that?

TierShift · Post Post #314 (isolation #61) » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:34 pm

In post 268, ProHawk wrote:Tier was scum up until post #66. I actually thought this game was lyncher-Tier on Sordros.

Do you even know the setup? Did you really think I was scum there?

I don't think scum would have been balsy enough to vote for Willow just because of his bread-'loaf' of being a cop as it would have drawn quite a bit of attention. Not wanting to lynch Cyrus.

I don't thnk that's deserving of a townread at page 12, is it?

And then Tier gets scummy again. I think he forgot he isn't in a hydra... maybe because he considers this player-list to be relatively new? Not sure...

I'm sorry, what are you trying to say here? That I'm scum and don't care about acting townish because everyone is new?

Why am I scummy?

3 quotes. You can do it, prohawk. I believe in you.

TierShift · Post Post #327 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:32 am

In post 317, ProHawk wrote:Tier, I actually haven't looked at the setup yet. I thought your push at the beginning was unwarranted, and yes, scummy. And then when I saw what you were doing, I thought 'brilliant', I think tier is town. And then you flopped all over the thread with your reads in such a manner that I couldn't follow and I thought...mmm he is probably trying to manipulate people.

Changing reads is manipulating people?

I can show you a such reaction test I performed as scum. I hard pushed the subject who fell for it in the same manner dave did here. I got town lynched and only gained towncred for it. What reason do I have NOT to scumread dave and instead pursue other reads?

TierShift · Post Post #328 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:38 am

In post 318, ProHawk wrote:Then we go to ---->

In post 130, TierShift wrote:I 100% agree with everything vyse has said on the previous page

VOTE: fuduzn

In post 141, TierShift wrote:cyrus stinks
sordros stinks
myko sthinks to a lesser extent
fu stinks to a lesser extent

vyse is town

dave probably town

Not seeing how Vyse went from top scum-read to top town-read with his posts in between. It looks fake to me.

I changed my read because he posted shit that I 100% agree with. I've since been second-guessing myself, especially because of his 321 "prohawk you have a point"-thing setting himself up to vote me.

TierShift · Post Post #329 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:39 am

In post 319, ProHawk wrote:I also know you are smart enough to know that if you are/were town-reading myko that you wouldn't have voted for Fu.

Huh
What do you mean
How does myko's read on fu affect mine?

TierShift · Post Post #341 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:11 pm

I need to iso vyse soon.

TierShift · Post Post #342 (isolation #66) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:12 pm

Can we get a deadline extension because christmas?

TierShift · Post Post #388 (isolation #67) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:53 am

In post 376, TellTaleHeart wrote: My best guess for the other scum is going to be between: TierShift, SB, and VysePresident.

Why me? Actually, why any of these?

TierShift · Post Post #389 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:03 am

In post 170, BRantz wrote:Myko do you think Vyse is more likely to be scum than dave?

I don't like that Sordros has kind of just faded into the background now that there is no pressure on him any more. 112 stinks as well (which is his last post).

VOTE: Sordros

In post 191, BRantz wrote:
In post 190, TierShift wrote:DAVE DO SHIT INSTEAD OF SELF META BULLSHIT

This made me laugh really hard.

Since Cyrus has done nothing to combat the case against him, and Tier wants a sheep. I will do so.

VOTE: Cyrus

Brantz, what made you decide to change votes? You both thought them scummy, right?

TierShift · Post Post #390 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:08 am

Brantz probably town

Thinking for a flip between fu/tth/prohawk

I don't really know.

TierShift · Post Post #393 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:55 am

SB/prohawk need to chime in because one of em is probably scum.

TierShift · Post Post #397 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:56 am

Idk something more that makes me think you are town

TierShift · Post Post #411 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:32 am

In post 404, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 388, TierShift wrote:
In post 376, TellTaleHeart wrote: My best guess for the other scum is going to be between: TierShift, SB, and VysePresident.

Why me? Actually, why any of these?

I have a problem with the way a few of your reads have changed over the course of this game.

Mainly FuDuzn's. In Post 130, you voted him and you followed it up by asking for a reads list from him in Post 137. The one given in Post 159 has more holes than swiss cheese. So what exactly satisfied you about FuDuzn's response to make you stop voting him is completely beyond me and it's never explained.

It's that I did ISO's and thought other players were scummier. That's all there is to it. Also myko's post made some sense but I don't know if it was nade around that time.

Your treatment of the sordros/ProHawk slot also bothers me, because what I can gather from posts you make about him is that your priority is threat mitigation and that implies a scum agenda.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Here's the series of posts around the time ProHawk replaced in:
Spoiler: Posts
In post 268, ProHawk wrote:I liked Willow's foray into getting the game moving along.

Myconian and FuzDzn are off the table for being lynched.

Tier was scum up until post #66. I actually thought this game was lyncher-Tier on Sordros.

I don't think scum would have been balsy enough to vote for Willow just because of his bread-'loaf' of being a cop as it would have drawn quite a bit of attention. Not wanting to lynch Cyrus.

Didn't like Dave's appeasement vote on Sordros although I suppose town could be subject to peer-pressure as well.

And then Tier gets scummy again. I think he forgot he isn't in a hydra... maybe because he considers this player-list to be relatively new? Not sure...

I guess I can see the case for Cyrus intentionally acting like a new-player for newbie-cred, especially when he confessed to being ancient.

Right. All caught up.

In post 269, ProHawk wrote:So people I would be willing to lynch today:

Vyse, Tier, Cyrus

People I wouldn't lynch today, even if it meant no-lynching:

Myko, FuDuzn

People I wouldn't want to lynch today:

Dave, Brantz, Willow/Replacement

In post 273, TierShift wrote:Wait, prohawk is in this game? Cool.

Town here, no lynch me pls

In post 276, ProHawk wrote:Tier, my major scum-vibe from you comes from your 180 reads shift, can you explain what is going on?
In post 286, TierShift wrote:
In post 247, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
ProHawk replaces sordros!
Ohey prohawk replaced scummy slot interesting
In post 288, TierShift wrote:
In post 267, ProHawk wrote:Prepare to be amazed Myko.

Your next post does not deserve amazement.

In post 268, ProHawk wrote:Myconian and FuzDzn are off the table for being lynched.

Good thing neither are lynchable, non?

Tier was scum up until post #66. I actually thought this game was lyncher-Tier on Sordros.

Do you even know the setup? Did you really think I was scum there?

I don't think scum would have been balsy enough to vote for Willow just because of his bread-'loaf' of being a cop as it would have drawn quite a bit of attention. Not wanting to lynch Cyrus.

I don't thnk that's deserving of a townread at page 12, is it?

And then Tier gets scummy again. I think he forgot he isn't in a hydra... maybe because he considers this player-list to be relatively new? Not sure...

I'm sorry, what are you trying to say here? That I'm scum and don't care about acting townish because everyone is new?

Why am I scummy?

I guess I can see the case for Cyrus intentionally acting like a new-player for newbie-cred, especially when he confessed to being ancient.

She has? Where?
There's a considerable shift in tone between Post 273 and Post 286. 273 is trying to be cute, joking, and disarming but when ProHawk presses the read, you don't hesitate to go on the offensive in 286. Add the fact that sordros was an undeveloped read sitting on the back burner based on an off-the-cuff response to a single post and I'm getting to the conclusion that the sudden maturity in the sordros read is for the purpose of parrying ProHawk's attacks.

273 was just a placeholder post, I hope that was clear. I fully intended to respond to prohawk's accusations later, when I had time for it. My scumread on the sordros slot was already stated in 141. I can give an explanation for it if you cannot already find out from my ISO.

I think I'd like a prohawk lynch if people are up for it. I know it's close to deadline, but I'm not really feeling this lynch. Not opposed to it, but rather prohawk. Will move back if needed.
VOTE: prohawk

TierShift · Post Post #412 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:35 am

In post 401, mykonian wrote:I don't know the English expression for it, but cyrus/you is like a lame duck? That's what google translate gives.

Can you give me the dutch expression?

I don't get your case on either of brantz or vyse. Could you give a 3 sentence max case on both?

TierShift · Post Post #424 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:05 pm

VOTE: TTH
Reread tth's fu case, needs lynching.

Sry hawk I'll sort you tomorrow if I live
But probs not

TierShift · Post Post #425 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:10 pm

She is very very okay with her lynch tho

Maybe too much idk
But let's lynch this today.

TierShift · Post Post #487 (isolation #76) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:29 pm

In post 452, VysePresident wrote:Okay, that's two hard votes (Vyse, TTH) and two soft ones. (Dave & BRantz.) Tier, you game for letting us reach a FuDuzn lynch, or are you still pushing TTH? (That's a subtle way of asking you to jump wagons

Dave, would you join us officially?

No, we need to lynch TTH.

In post 462, TellTaleHeart wrote:TierShift is very reactionary and his reads are largely dictated by who suspects him. I'm guessing that's more likely to come from scum but regardless of his actual alignment, that's a pretty serious flaw. I hope if he's town he'll cut it out.

I generally read people from their reactions to me. That can be a townread, a scumread, whatever. When I feel the townread on me is off, I'll scumread you for that. If I think your scumread on me isn't genuine (which I think), I'll scumread you for that.

In post 471, TellTaleHeart wrote:TierShift isn't nearly as town as most people are making him out to be. The ProHawk push is rotten to the core.

Please elaborate.

TierShift · Post Post #488 (isolation #77) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:31 pm

In post 480, SB wrote:Tier waffling on TTH also looks kind of off to me? He implies that they're too resigned to their lynch to be scum, but then just sort of ignores it which reads as really lazy to me? Seeking other opinions about this.

No, what I tried to say is that she OVERdid it.
It's usually town who go 'fuck it, lynch me', but from TTH I get the idea that she's overdoing it, on purpose.

TierShift · Post Post #490 (isolation #78) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:34 pm

I still want the TTH lynch.
My townlist consists of brantz, dave and sb just for his last few posts. Brantz is weakest but strong enough.
Vyse is somewhat town I think.

Myko shows no progression as sb points out. Maybe worth a look tomorrow.
Fu probably town but not sure.
Leaves me at TTH and maybe hawk? But they aren't scum together, and I think TTH is more likely than hawk. So maybe TTH/fu or TTH/myko or hawk/fu or fu/myko

That's all I have today folks
Let us lynch TTH now

TierShift · Post Post #491 (isolation #79) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:36 pm

Meh let's just lynch fu his last posts have been shit
He shows even less progression than myko.

But I will not let get scumtth get awaaaaaay

TierShift · Post Post #493 (isolation #80) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:42 pm

That TTH is right about what?

TierShift · Post Post #496 (isolation #81) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:01 pm

I think her initial case was way too wordy for what it actually meant.
I don't think fu's initial play was scummy.

Anyway, I'd be fine with a fu lynch now, seeing as he's not on my town list and seeing I'm not sure who's more likely to flip scum right now.

I want to remind people that TTH/Fu is a very possible pairing.

TierShift · Post Post #497 (isolation #82) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:01 pm

Is he posting anywhere, though?

TierShift · Post Post #499 (isolation #83) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:04 pm

Okay I'm considering hammering for that awful reference to an early game crumb that wasn't even there

TierShift · Post Post #500 (isolation #84) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:05 pm

Saying that the RVS cop claim is 'probably fake' is not a cop crumb.

TierShift · Post Post #501 (isolation #85) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:06 pm

I'm so hammering you if you don't give me something better, fu.

UNVOTE:

TierShift · Post Post #502 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:08 pm

Vyse you need to speak right now and say I'm not crazy
I don't wanna hang tomorrow for quickhammering a PR (been there, done that)
Fu show me some fucking evidence supporting your claim.

TierShift · Post Post #505 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:23 pm

You're not seriously saying that you would have otherwise thought the claim was real?

TierShift · Post Post #510 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:31 pm

Did you put that there as crumbs on purpose or did you just look back and see: 'hey I did this because I'm a cop'

TierShift · Post Post #513 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:45 pm

F it we'll see what tmorrow brings fu

VOTE: tth

TierShift · Post Post #516 (isolation #90) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:16 pm

No I unvoted and revoted

TierShift · Post Post #517 (isolation #91) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:17 pm

Tentative town on hawk

TierShift · Post Post #569 (isolation #92) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:06 am

Hey, so. We have a confirmed town in the other seeking mason. He'd probably better keep his mouth shut about that until close to being lynched.

Upon rereading, I don't really see a reason for TTHscum to bus his townread buddy this hard unless she wants to play a really dangerous fucking scumgame. Fuduzn's reaction wasn't one of disgust, so I suppose she's town.

Davesaz probably isn't aligned with fuduzn either.
I liked vyse's string of posts at the end of yesterday where scum would rather keep their mouths shut.
Checking other three.

TierShift · Post Post #570 (isolation #93) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:25 am

Brantz-fu avoid each other
Pro-fu possible because both has an underexplained townread on each other
Myk-fu to be researchd.

TierShift · Post Post #575 (isolation #94) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:22 am

In post 571, mykonian wrote:One thing to keep in mind is that fuduzn claimed knowing he'd get countered. He claimed a two letter-role, there would be a town knowing what was going on. Odds are he thinks he's confident we won't find his partner off him, maybe even someone who's doing well. So that's the caveat with the next posts.

This is simply not true; there could have been only 1-letter town roles.

TierShift · Post Post #577 (isolation #95) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:30 am

In post 571, mykonian wrote:
In post 41, FuDuzn wrote:Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

This is buddying sordros (prohawk). Knowing fuduzn's allignment, scum-town.
I don't think this and the next post you would do to your buddy, bussing like that.

In post 114, FuDuzn wrote:Sordros, speaking of fence sitting.......why does it seem like you were looking for an excuse to unvote brantz? And who else would you consider voting?

Mykonian, why vyse?

I don't get why this cannot be scum scum interactions.

P-edit: I have no idea what you're talking about, I'll take a look.

TierShift · Post Post #578 (isolation #96) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:34 am

In post 576, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 575, TierShift wrote:
In post 571, mykonian wrote:One thing to keep in mind is that fuduzn claimed knowing he'd get countered. He claimed a two letter-role, there would be a town knowing what was going on. Odds are he thinks he's confident we won't find his partner off him, maybe even someone who's doing well. So that's the caveat with the next posts.

This is simply not true; there could have been only 1-letter town roles.

This is only true is there aren't any T's.

VOTE: TierShift

No. If there is 1 or 2 T's, it's still possible for there to be only 1-letter town PR's. It's even necessary at 2 T's.

I don't really understand, are you insinuating I RB-slipped or somethng?

TierShift · Post Post #581 (isolation #97) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:36 am

I don't think I could fake that paranoia as scum, really. Please show me how I tried to save him.

TierShift · Post Post #582 (isolation #98) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:42 am

I just did a me-fu ISO. Please do as well and see that we're not buddies.
Look how he missed me in his readslist
And how I doubtcasted his claim like that instead of going 'we're not lynching cop day 1'

And generally this is not how I handle my buddies but yeah.

TierShift · Post Post #583 (isolation #99) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:43 am

In post 580, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 578, TierShift wrote:I don't really understand, are you insinuating I RB-slipped or somethng?

No, I'm voting you because you did everything in your power to save FuDuzn yesterday.

Actually this honour would go to myko and prohawk. So I want something more substantial.

TierShift · Post Post #585 (isolation #100) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:46 am

Meh, still town.

TierShift · Post Post #590 (isolation #101) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:54 am

I'm gonna look how fu treats his buddy usually. I started at maneuver mafia that myko modded.
Subject: Micro 306: maneuver mafia - game over

FuDuzn wrote:
And about farside, you are exactly right.......but way off. I do think he has been acting townie, but I don't get why he was so happy to vote me yet was also quick to unvote me once I got to L-1. Just something weird that I want on record for the future depending how flips may go.

More quotes incoming, probably.

TierShift · Post Post #593 (isolation #102) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:55 am

In post 586, mykonian wrote:
In post 575, TierShift wrote:
In post 571, mykonian wrote:One thing to keep in mind is that fuduzn claimed knowing he'd get countered. He claimed a two letter-role, there would be a town knowing what was going on. Odds are he thinks he's confident we won't find his partner off him, maybe even someone who's doing well. So that's the caveat with the next posts.

This is simply not true; there could have been only 1-letter town roles.

odds?

He knew he was going to get countered.

Odds of that are pretty high, unless scum have a roleblocker. Then the odds would be lower, but still high, I think. Gonna calc.

TierShift · Post Post #597 (isolation #103) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:03 am

Okay, exact calcs:
If 0 T's (scum know this!), there's 7/9 chance to get counterclaimed.
If 1 T's (scum have no idea), there's a 1/3 chance to get counterclaimed.
If 2 T's (scum have no idea), there's a 100% chance to get counterclaimed (by doc!).
If 3 T's (scum have no idea), there's a 0% chance to get counterclaimed.

So, all in all, it's a pretty risky strategy. I think fu was just trying to out a counterclaim or as TTH said trying to make his claim fit with the early game.

TierShift · Post Post #598 (isolation #104) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:04 am

In post 595, mykonian wrote:regarding meta, from that game I could fit it to tier here, but it's awkward. And I don't really want to go with tier

Why would that fit to me?

TierShift · Post Post #601 (isolation #105) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:08 am

In post 599, mykonian wrote:mhmm. Lovely that it's in real numbers.

does it help?

Yyeah because I thought the chance of gettng counterclaimed would be way lower.

TierShift · Post Post #605 (isolation #106) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:16 am

Subject: Mewbie 1457 ~ Game Ovah

FuDuzn wrote:Tris, she just sounds so fake. She wasn't even put at L-2 and she started freaking out that she was basically lynched and was throwing munna under the bus. And now she has disappeared. I feel like she is more about defending herself rather than scum hunting.

So to summarize, I will hammer jmo if it comes to it. I would lean more towards Tris being scum though, I think it is good that it appears the lynch is between them. I would be shocked if at least one of them isn't scum.

This was followed up by a bus.

TierShift · Post Post #608 (isolation #107) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:21 am

In newbie 1393 fu nullread his buddy all game.

I don't think this tells me much, other than that fu is scared of calling his buddy strong town.

This all implicates brantz, but it feels too easy (remember maneuver mafia, myko?)

TierShift · Post Post #611 (isolation #108) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:34 am

Tth what do you think about brantz?

TierShift · Post Post #613 (isolation #109) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:51 am

:/ they were his most recent games

Didn't realise that.

Probably doesn't change too much?

TierShift · Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:56 am

In post 614, TellTaleHeart wrote:Post 489 doesn't make sense from a FuD's partner perspective. Optimal strategy in that position would definitely have been to wait out the clock.

This is true. I have another theory on who's scum but I'll let the others weigh in first.

TierShift · Post Post #628 (isolation #111) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:07 am

My other theory was myko as scum as well, especially for the way he came in to this day.

I really want hawk to speak right now, though.

TierShift · Post Post #632 (isolation #112) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:49 pm

Role pm still says town

TierShift · Post Post #646 (isolation #113) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:29 pm

Because there are town and scum reactions to a claim, TTH.

I think hawk is town.
I think myko is scum, I'll talk about his day 2 play in a minute.

TierShift · Post Post #648 (isolation #114) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:35 pm

It should mean something to you. It should show you that vyse (and maybe me) are town.
It wasn't meant to support that argument, it was meant to answer your question in 641.

TierShift · Post Post #652 (isolation #115) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:47 pm

In post 634, ProHawk wrote:Brantz - I have a hard time swallowing the fact that a last-minute push-quick-lynch was orchestrated and pushed by town-and-town alone. That doesn't mean I don't believe it, but its still hard to imagine. That's why Brantz doesn't sit in the town pile, with the hammer and all. Interactions with Fu, however bring him up higher in my reads tier.

What interactions exactly?

TierShift · Post Post #661 (isolation #116) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:59 pm

In post 659, ProHawk wrote:Tier, maybe interactions wasn't the best wording here, but these are posts which make me think Brantz wasn't his comrade.

In post 418, FuDuzn wrote:
Brantzs fence sitting from early on does bother me a bit more now, if we have to move off of other Dave I would prefer the lynch be between these two.

In post 420, FuDuzn wrote:Brantzs fence sitting just jumped out at me more.

In post 469, FuDuzn wrote:
Scum: other Dave, brantz, tth

The 'scumread but not enough to vote/someone else is scummier' is actually very common. If anything, this made me think brantz was his buddy more.

TierShift · Post Post #663 (isolation #117) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:19 pm

Okay I'm actually not gonna bother with quotes on myko but there's 3 things I don't like about him:
1. The necessity to explain his townread on Fu and tell us he was wrong
2. That he came in to this day pretending we could just autopilot this game, while it doesn't really look like an autopilot game. Then tomorrow he could go like 'oh, apparently not, now I need to start thinking' and basically win a mislynch.
3. He avoided TTH's case on me. Between 580-600, it's only myko, tth and I talking and myko awkwardly only responds to me, not to the guy that's trying to start a wagon on a townread of his. Read it. He's avoiding saying anything about it. I think he need mislynches.

So hi myko you may do the talk now.

I'm looking to make sense of his early game fu interactions.

TierShift · Post Post #675 (isolation #118) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:20 am

if anyone is the other seekng mason, please counterclaim

Why would prohawk be scumslippng?

TierShift · Post Post #678 (isolation #119) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:15 am

In post 673, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 671, VysePresident wrote:Well, there goes all my theory of TTH being the other Mason.

I've been telegraphing my role pretty hard and it wasn't Mason...

My thoughts on mykonian are now irrelevant, but I think the chances of scum being outside the pool of ProHawk, TierShift, and BRantz are infinitesimally close to zero.

Well, I'd agree. That dave and vyse aren't scum, at least. Currently thinking....prohawk, I think? You're still on my mind.

TierShift · Post Post #680 (isolation #120) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:38 am

TierShift · Post Post #682 (isolation #121) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:55 am

So why is it likely?

TierShift · Post Post #685 (isolation #122) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:23 am

Whoa, frustrated much hawkie

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:17 am

Sorry, but no!
Care to engage me, for once, this game?
What happened to your reads just a page ago?

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:51 am

Prohawk, I still want you to explain how the brantz-fu interactions make brantz LESS likely to be scum.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:53 am

I think I'm going for a full-ass reread and find out who's scum as to prevent the lining up of prohawktown and tiertown and then lylo.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:05 am

In post 41, FuDuzn wrote:Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

In post 42, Cyrus wrote:I'm not seeing what's scummy about sordos's reaction, either.

I'm assuming Willow's "claim" was just a joke at this point, I think, because I honestly don't think we had a night start.

So this, saying the same thing, immediately after each other, makes me less inclined to believe they are buddies.

In post 54, VysePresident wrote:So, some first impressions.

@BRantz - Why no thoughts on the wagon? I'm kinda surprised to see you not weighing in here, especially compared to last game. Holding my vote for now.

(P-edit) @Dave - Then where are you leaning right now? I'm getting nothing more from you than

-I'm getting a mild scum read from sordos at this point, partly for the shift in tone Willow & Tier are referring to, but mostly because I don't like the way he was demanding a 'case' for an RVS vote, and for the possible intimidation attempt in 30. I'm not sold yet, but it's worth a raised eyebrow.

-I'm liking Tier at the moment. Willow's okay too. Give them both a couple Town points.

-At first glance, Dave's confusion is reading slightly Town to me. I'm going to need to gauge this one a little more though. Call him an iffy Null read for now.

I like this post.

In post 73, Cyrus wrote:How was I fence sitting? I said I didn't see what was scummy about Sor's reaction. I'll keep saying that I didn't see anything scummy about it.

I said I liked you for town because you seem to be actively scumhunting. I don't have to agree with you to think you're town.

I like this post.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:16 am

In post 89, Cyrus wrote:Phone posting.

VOTE: Dave. Seems to me to be bowing to any pressure to avoid attention, and the vote on TierShift just seems desperate.

In post 96, Cyrus wrote:Willow's was the third vote and mine was the fourth. It's 5 to lynch.

Anyone who hammers without stating intent will get people looking at them sideways. I don't think you should claim unless someone gives intent.

I do think you should explain why you unvoted sordros. Also, if Tiershift's reaction test was scummy, do you think Willow's pseudo claim was too? After all, I'm pretty sure Willow isn't a cop and that makes the pseudo claim a lie.

I dislike the vote but do like the later explanation.

In post 114, FuDuzn wrote:Sordros, speaking of fence sitting.......why does it seem like you were looking for an excuse to unvote brantz? And who else would you consider voting?

Mykonian, why vyse?

Seeing this in context, indeed makes prohawk/sord less likely to be fu's buddy.

Brantz was too null on fu for my taste on page 4. When asked to explain what he liked about fu, he gave a pretty dumb answer.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:27 am

In post 148, Cyrus wrote:@BRantz: I do believe I was the only one who made the claim that Dave blamed TierShift for his vote. Yes, bowing to pressure is part of that but his comment about TierShift baiting him into voting Sordros stuck with me and I don't think I saw anyone else make that argument.

Myko is mostly a gut townread.

I like that cyrus townreads myko here.

In post 159, FuDuzn wrote:
In post 143, Cyrus wrote:Why do I stink, Tier?

In post 144, Cyrus wrote:And if I and Sordros stink more than FuDunz, why are you voting him instead of one of us?

I really don't like these posts. Asking why someone thinks you are scummy and at the same time questioning their vote just makes my scumdar go crazy. You are just setting things up so you can discredit tiers argument.

Along with Cyrus, other Dave is clearly my top two scum reads. I really like tier for town, really promoting conversation and making sure everybody is contributing(hey, lay off me, I have been busy at work lol).

Brantz seems to have a murderboner for Myko, which I don't get. Not sure if he has town or scum motivation with this.

These are the major reads I have. And I have the next couple days off of work, I will be a bit more active.

So, this post makes me thjnk cyrus/tth as less likely t be the buddy, and brantz even more likely.

In post 170, BRantz wrote:Myko do you think Vyse is more likely to be scum than dave?

I don't like that Sordros has kind of just faded into the background now that there is no pressure on him any more. 112 stinks as well (which is his last post).

VOTE: Sordros

Another background push by brantz. He's never jonng prime-time discussion.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:36 am

In post 186, FuDuzn wrote:
In post 185, davesaz wrote:At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

Why would I think you are town when you make a post like this?

In retrospect I'm really sad I didn't push FU for this.

Brantz is dancing around his dave read. Brantz, why did you never vote dave around that time? You seemed to think he was scum.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:01 pm

In post 226, BRantz wrote:You are third on the list behind Sordros for the reasons I stated in 170, and Cyrus who I agree with Tier on, and also don't like the disappearing act he has pulled in the last couple pages. At the moment I think cyrus is more likely of the two to get lynched so am voting him.

On the truth thing. I really just wanted to quote the princess bride. But I do think that you basically saying everything I've said is true and you people just aren't listening is scummy.

Brantz, where did the myko scumread go?

In post 319, ProHawk wrote:I also know you are smart enough to know that if you are/were town-reading myko that you wouldn't have voted for Fu.

I see that prohawk from the start and definitely up to this point thought/pushed fu and myko as masons. I'd say it's easy to just say your buddy is probably a mason with someone as tk avoid giving a read, but actually challenging me to go and find the mason crumb and possibly disprove it goes a bit too far in that respect. Gonna say hawk is town for this, if his behaviour at day end checks out with the mason thoughts.
Also, myko, I don't know who your 'dude, really' is directed at, but my rereads are legendary.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:23 pm

In post 420, FuDuzn wrote:Brantzs fence sitting just jumped out at me more.

And am I hearing you correctly saying that you think telltale is trying to distance himself from me because we are scum buddies?

In post 421, ProHawk wrote:No, I happen to think you are town. I am saying, the fence-sitting isn't exclusive. Expand your view.

This interaction does not really feel like buddies but like hawk knowing fu is town.

In post 449, BRantz wrote:There really isn't a lot of substance to Fu at all is there. Using his own words, he seems to have a murderbone for dave, and has spent very little time talking about anything else. Almost half of his posts are promises to catch up (which in this game I think is fairly null but still annoys me). He just jumped way up my scum list.

My top 3 scum reads:
Cyrus/TTH (though this one has gotten a bit weaker with TTH's posts, I am still not convinced this slot isn't scum)
davesaz (I just don't know how his play could come from a town perspective on the whole)
FuDuzn (not much substance, which is why he was null earlier, but there is a lot more to have been talked about at this point)

Tier and myko are both town in my eyes. Everyone else falls in between.

Though as I said, some of this may change with a reread.

Brantz brantz avoiding giving a real read on fu fu

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:30 pm

Oh, at the time of TTH's case on fu there was close to zero suspicion on Fu and there were even people sure-townreading him. The only reason scumTTH would attack him there is if she was suiciding and wanted even more towncred for fu. That does not seem likely, especially considering there actually was a chance for fu to pick up votes from either of me, vyse and dave. I don't believe TTH was attacking Fu there to get towncred herself and ride the game to a scum win; the set-up is too dangerous for that, as was the little amount of town-cred her slot initially had.

In post 471, TellTaleHeart wrote:TierShift isn't nearly as town as most people are making him out to be. The ProHawk push is rotten to the core.

This still sucks, though. I really don't nderstand what's so shiny about me.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:51 pm

In post 614, TellTaleHeart wrote:Post 489 doesn't make sense from a FuD's partner perspective. Optimal strategy in that position would definitely have been to wait out the clock.

This is still true, but I'm going to say it was bad scum play rather than town. I suppose brantz and Fu had a pregame chat saying they would fakeclaim a PR and then let the other back off, or something. Even with that, it's bad scumplay, of course.

VOTE: brantz
Brantz is the last scum. Everything simply points towards it.

Dave/myko are town.
Vyse has made sense all game. I'd say he's one of the best scum players I know if he's scum, but I heavily heavily doubt he is.
TTH is town by virtue of not being stupid enough to bus Fu in the spot she was in and also by virtue of me liking cyrus better.
Hawk is town for a few interactions that I like plus the whole mason thing that checks out.
Brantz is scum, lynch it. My latest posts are full of evidence that implicates him.

Can all the noobs votng me please unvote
Can prohawk please still explain how brantz-fu nteractions don't make them likely to be buddies because they totally do
This game ends with a brantz lynch.

TierShift · Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:54 pm

No, doofus, that's not fun. At least not for today. Just read my latest 10 posts and see that it's brantz.

I take back the word noobs as tth created a scum wagon from scratch.

TierShift · Post Post #709 (isolation #135) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:39 pm

If I were scum, I'd probably not win, yes.

My posts contain a lot of quotes. You don't actually have to read the quotes, but they provide background nformation for why I'm saying the things I'm saying. So don't read the quotes, see if you agree and check the quotes to se if my reads check out.

TierShift · Post Post #710 (isolation #136) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:41 pm

To summarise, my posts are full of why I think brantz is scum plus pretty solid towncases for both hawk and tth.
You're voting hawk, so you should probably read my hawk towncase, at least.

TierShift · Post Post #713 (isolation #137) » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:08 pm

Myko, please don't avoid voting scum as much as you did that yesterday.

TierShift · Post Post #715 (isolation #138) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:15 am

No, you're voting hawk. Please read my posts and think.

TierShift · Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:50 am

In post 717, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 705, TierShift wrote:Brantz is the last scum. Everything simply points towards it.

Where were you when myko was saying this a while ago?

I was smashing myko for going like it was autopilot!

But now after a reread I agree with him. His former opinion.

What gives you pause? Me saying that or brantz acting that way?

TierShift · Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:53 am

But you agree he's scum for everything else?

TierShift · Post Post #730 (isolation #141) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:21 pm

Good.

TierShift · Post Post #733 (isolation #142) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:23 pm

Before I actually read this post and respond to it I must say that I completely forgot about dave.

TierShift · Post Post #734 (isolation #143) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:32 pm

Okay, brantz, we have a flipped scum. We can now use interactions from said scum with the other players. Why aren't you doing so and instead try to hang dave for early game anti-townness and sheeping?

TierShift · Post Post #736 (isolation #144) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:37 pm

Right, but you can read others reactions to him. Do you thnk he'd be the first to bus his presumed buddy, davesaz?

TierShift · Post Post #739 (isolation #145) » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:06 pm

Fuck this shit, this doesn't look like weak last scum being run up day 2.
UNVOTE:
Upon a quick fu-dave ISO, it seems indeed possible that all Fu did was one big bus that never had any chance of succeeding.
Digging more into this tomorrow.

TierShift · Post Post #748 (isolation #146) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:55 am

No, not really.
Brantz, I'd like you to claim.

I'll review my points about brantz and brantz's points on dave and then take a decision. Would be nice if you'd claimed by then, brantz.

TierShift · Post Post #749 (isolation #147) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:56 am

I still want you to elaborate on why I'm scum other than 'tried to prevent fu's lynch' and talk about my interactions with fu.

TierShift · Post Post #752 (isolation #148) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:39 am

I really don't know how to respond to that other than that I would've lurked it out as scum.
And that I've lynched scummy PR claims day 1 before and often regretted not waiting a day to lynch em.

TierShift · Post Post #755 (isolation #149) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:57 am

I want hawk to talk.

TierShift · Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:13 am

I know. I'll decide in ~2 hours.

TierShift · Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:37 am

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VOTE: brantz

TierShift · Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:49 am

TierShift · Post Post #773 (isolation #153) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:17 pm

I think it would fit the best new player award or something she's been nominated for.
I must say I prefer the C9-- setup by does bo know, has more of a c9++ feel.

Seconding that brantz played well, it was only interactionsand towniness of other players that condemned you in the end.

TierShift · Post Post #776 (isolation #154) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:58 pm

Yeah, I mean, it did bone scum here, but well, don't be scummy in the first place?

Any comments on my play please?

TierShift · Post Post #779 (isolation #155) » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:12 pm

In post 777, ProHawk wrote:Good play Tier.

Thanks!

@Vyse: thanks as well. If you want me to say something about your game, I'd say that you should try to shorten your posts and focus more on the important stuff. Other than that, you were easy to read, had good reads, so well done.