Micro 441: Less Pressure

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Guys, guys, WE CAN ALL BE CATS

I'm reading in a min but it's late so I may not manage a coherent post.

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oh god page 1 is so terrible
Pine-Scum? Dry-fit-Scum? EVERYBODY SCUM?

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I don't understand Xay wagon. I don't understand ++--. Huntress could be Scum. I don't understand Dry-fit.

I have a bad feeling I'm not going to be much of an asset here. ONWARD

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This is a list of bad posts on page 3:
51, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 68, 69, 71, 72, 73. More than half of page three is

useless ewwwwwww

4:, So I have to remember that 3 out of these 6 are Scum:, {jingle, Xayzeck, Huntress, Pine, ++--, Dry-fit}. I feel OK taking Jingle out of the equation for now though he could pretty easily be faking. That leaves 5 people with a 60% chance to be Scum each. I think Pine might be Town thus far? If I had to vote RIGHT NOW it would probably be Huntress or ++--.

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Well Jingle might be Scum actually? Apparently TTH saw it too. Hm.
OH GOD THE QUOTES WHY
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Maybe Dry-fit and Pine both Town? hmmm. Something weird about end of 119 though.

6:
TTH does have a point - ++-- does in some ways feel too easy. Not really into the Dry-fit vote though.
Starting to think Xay might actually be Town.

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Aaaaaaaah! The two posts above me are awful. >:(

WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK PEOPLE SCUMREAD HIM OMG

Hmmmmm maybe Huntress is Town after all.
Feel better about Xay too. Is this just a carousel of reads?
Dry-fit is Town, properly so I think.

unvote

sleep time

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GM, (And TTH) expound on your worry about me.

You're playing shiftily.

Also, if I could trouble you for a towncase for dryfit, I'd be ever so grateful.

He has a really scummy playstyle but I don't think he's done any particularly scummy actions here.

@++--: see above. Also, I don't remember anything really original from you which is my major hang-up on your slot.

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I want everyone's top 3 picks again. I need to do a reread and get back into this.

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And your top 3 scumreads are??

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@Jingle, Pine: You forgot to answer my questionnnnnn

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Why not lynch Pine? I don't remember thinking anything positive about Pine recently.

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That post seems needlessly obtuse.

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On the other hand there's a part of me that wants to turn this wagon around and lynch Huntress.

goodmorning, what's you opinion of her?

Wildly flipflopping.

Why not Pine again?

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@Jingle, Pine: You forgot to answer my questionnnnnn

Questions are scummy. Besides, answered before you asked. It's a short thread, my ISO is even shorter. Laziness looks like an excuse to do nothing

1. I'm a lazy asshole. We've played before, haven't we?
2. I'm mod-confirmed Town. Answer my fucking question.

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@Jingle: Why don't you want Pine lynched again?

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What made his Dry-fit push look Town to you? Anything specific?

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Are you asking me?

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The things that don't make me think she's Town.

Being more serious, pretty much all her posts through page 4 read pretty scummy to me though idr why atm. I need a reread, like I said.

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I know I'm a pretty terrible IC, but WHERE IS EVERYONE??????

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Pine is being needlessly troublesome (see 275).

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Effort isn't (usually) indicative of alignment.

I'm going to hammer Xay, but first I'd like an "I'm dead so here is what you should do the rest of the game" post. With detailed reads.

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@++--: What do you think of Jingle?

@Everyone, generally: Yeah, if the VTs could start towning it up sometime that would be great.

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ugh i don't know if i want to hammer xay now

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I rather think that was the point.

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I don't know if I believe that!

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I don't know if I believe that!

Make a towncase that I can refute, or join me on the Xay wagon. Huntress won't help us lynch Xay anymore, so we're gonna need all the townies.

You're the one making a positive assertion here ahhhhhhhhhhhh

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See, the problem I have with that is that your points boil down to:
1. effort
2. effort
3. untrue assertion.

Effort isn't really indicative of alignment, and he obviously has tried to read people or what the fuck was p13?

I know that part of me is only resisting the lynch because I feel forced into it but more of it is because I genuinely don't think Xay is Scum.

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See, the problem I have with that is that your points boil down to:
1. effort
2. effort
3. untrue assertion.

Effort isn't really indicative of alignment, and he obviously has tried to read people or what the fuck was p13?

I know that part of me is only resisting the lynch because I feel forced into it but more of it is because I genuinely don't think Xay is Scum.

1. Effort is sometimes indicative of alignment. Some players put more work in as certain alignments. Live with it.
2. No. No it isn't. The backbone of the case is that he isn't reading the thread. Xay is more careful than that as town. He reads critically and he doesn't miss things that have had multiple posts dedicated to them in an 8 page game. That's just not town him behavior.
3. P13 was Xayscum looking at me, who caught him, and going "Oh shit, I better shut him up. I better make sure no one listens to that." What better way to do so than to call me scum? Given that every mention of another player on that page by him was somehow tied to me, it reads a lot like survivalistic scum trying to minimize my reads whenever possible.

1. Maybe so, but I'm not convinced that Xay is one of them.
2. If this is about the deadline thing, that's a really dumb argument. I once read a setup, replaced into the (Open) game, and immediately said someone was a Serial Killer when there wasn't one in the game. People forget things like that, things that aren't relevant to their player-based trains of thought, all the time.
3. Or maybe, it's giving-up Town who wants to clarify his top scumread for the dithering IC.

OH LOOK

Conveniently, now you don't like his reactions. THIS IS NEW.

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TTH you are playing a weird game. I feel like we need to have a conversation soon, just the two of us, so we can get down into it and figure shit out.

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I really hate the Xayzeck wagon myself, so obviously not all the opposition comes from Scum there. Is there even anyone we scumread in common?

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I kind of regret dismantling that ++-- wagon. The recent activity is really scant and scummy.

I feel like we are both on cycles of wishywashiness with the same duration, so that any time you start to think someone is Scum I start to think they're Town, and vice-versa. I need more activity from like everyone.

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Let's lynch Jingle.

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I don't want to lynch ++-- anymore though.

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I don't think lynching people just for flips is a good idea though.

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Currently {Huntress, Jingle, the slot formerly known as Pine} in no particular order.

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But I don't really want to lynch Pineslot before the replacement has a chance to contribute.

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And by "has a chance to contribute" I mean DOES SOMETHING, ANYTHING, PLEASE WHY

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I've seen nothing in support of that viewpoint.

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^see tth??

you seeeeeeeeeee

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^see tth??

you seeeeeeeeeee

Would you please stop trying to beg for IC approval you scummy fuck? No more towncred for you get down from there

What part of that did you think was a beg for approval?

That shit was a LECTURE.

AND DON'T YOU FORGET.

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If you read the first page...

do you not realise there are 2 ICs? I don't...

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GM! Please?

i seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my life-style

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What someone else?

Are you actually serious? There's no possible way I'd play this sloppy unless I was confirmed Town.

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If I were VT or MG right now I'd be working my ass off to get townread. I've been Scum in this setup before, I learn from my problems.

WHAT SOMEONE ELSE

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I'm also really bad. Just not sloppy.

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what.

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I'm still trying to figure this shit out.

TTH WHAT YOU THINK EH

HAPPY SCUMDAY HUNTRESS ALSO

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What makes you think Xay is Scum?

No activity tells pls thx

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I, too, have played with him before and I don't agree.

Next reason?

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I want to talk to TTH.

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I'm sorry it bothers you that I need more than "cuz I said so" to change my mind.

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I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't.

So what you're saying is that you can't tell me what town Xayzeck looks like, but that Xayzeck here is playing to his town meta. That doesn't make sense. Even if you think Xay is town and I am scum, you still KNOW that TTH is town and voting Xay. KNOW. But you won't try to convince her of your point of view because... What? I'm genuinely at a loss here.

That's... that's not really how meta works for me. I've spoken pretty frankly about it in my other role as an IC, but basically I mostly can't point to specifics in meta. Overarching tone, sure. Specifics? Unless you're Wisdom, nope.

Xay is at L-1 here for fucking forever. Why, in your chain of events doesn't scum hammer town-Xay despite being asked to by TTH?

Why, in your chain of events, doesn't Scum hammer Scum-Xay despite being asked to by TTH? They'd get townpoints from her, could kill one of us, and Xay was looking like the inevitable lynch anyway so keeping him wouldn't be much help.

Could be that I'm wrong about Dry-fit and all the Scum were on the wagon already, to answer your original question. Or that Pine had pretty much fucked off/wasn't paying attention.

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*Wisdom or Zaicon, that is.

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Do the words HE WAS GOING TO BE LYNCHED ANYWAY mean anything to

youuuuu

?????

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No scum busses after some person of alignment unknown says someone else of alignment unknown's vote looks like a bus because first POUA is in a shitty tunnel?

DO TELL ME MORE.

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Come up with a scumcase that doesn't involve activity tells and it might stop me from thinking of you as Scum.

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Also: I'm not going to discuss Scum strategy here.

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DAMN

HE HAS DISCOVERED MY SECRET

I AM TERRIBLE AT BEING SCUM

O M G

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We already have new info, it's called you, and where the hell is TTH ahhhhhhhhh

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Then Jingle first.

Or Viomi because DID YOU EVEN READ THAT

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I want this to be a conversation. How much longer will 2 confirmed townies be alive to converse in? It's less pressure, the best strategy is for the ICs to talk shit out.


Just. hhhhhhhhhhh

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Fine. But you promise me you lynch him after.

You're not really in a position to negotiate, and I'm not really in a position where I want a lynch to happen RIGHT THIS INSTANT.

@Huntress: You're welcome! (but we're not lynching ++--)

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Neither of them.

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I'm not really in a position where I want a lynch to happen RIGHT THIS INSTANT.

I am.

I know it's psychologically pleasing to want to hit scum

right now

, but unless there's something

specific

you would like to discuss a flip is going to help more than more pages.

Specifically, I'd like to talk about Viomi.
What do you think of all the posts that made me go WTF??

Do you have reasons for believing Xay to be town?

As many reasons as people have for thinking he's Scum.

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Not that part. I've done worse forgetfulness than that.

No, the rest of it.

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HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Or we could lynch Jingle now?

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I don't know, I'm just feeling really angry right now.

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Why is everyone in this game incapable of acting like Town?

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I feel this thread has reached a horrifying impasse.

halp

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Xay

it is White Flag.

Did you not know?

Or were you pretending not to know?

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Amished is stupid and now I sort of think Viomi is Town and ++-- slot is Scum.

That's all I've got.

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I've posted what I have got already. This game is pretty stagnant.

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The fact that it doesn't really work can also nullify it.

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Can we talk of more useful things?

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Vote: Jingle

Now can we believe it?

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And why shouldn't we? You literally contributed nothing to the game over hundreds of posts except "oh ya, Xay is Scum." That's much worse than anything anyone else has done.

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Um. What.

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I don't actually understand anything.

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So there's one VT left and 2 Scum? And as long as we lynch one of the two Scum we win?

So we should just lynch randomly then, is what I'm hearing.

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(that was a joke)

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not necessarily

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vote: Jingle

We need GM to log in either way, but I've advocated Viomi since D1.

Mainly it's the conjunction of these two posts.

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You can talk.

I'm reading.

I don't know how far I'd trust a read on Viomi.

So it's probably either you or Jingle.

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Nothing. I simply think they'll be difficult to read.

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Everything.

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No, literally everything.

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I could do Viomi? Maybe?

Idk, I need a reread.

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goodmorning you're a fucking moron if you think I'm more scummy than pisskop and Jinglebuddies up there *facepalm*

That sounds like the way to get along.

I trust the ICs to pull this game off.

I don't.

Here's a question GM & TTT:

Why would I push ++-- / PB in white-flag as scum?

Why wouldn't you? One Scum is expendable.

The thing that bothers me the most right now is that at least one of Jingle and pisskop is Scum, and both of them would know better than to let a teammate kill a VT with ICs alive.

Nothing makes sense.

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if I may be frank, regardles of roled or alignments, you two ICs put Jingle on some Do Not Lynch list, because emotions/past social interactions

Let's lynch Jingle.

Or we could lynch Jingle now?

mhmmmm.

tell me more.

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Well, you could burn off some of that frustration building an associative case between the three Scums.

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They arent voting the other, or pointing out the others behavior because its white flag

They aren't really voting you either, nor pointing out your behaviour.

And there's not much any of you can say to sway us at this point.

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I'm just gonna point again at the Nightkill and point out that me being scum doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

pisskop doesn't either with that Nightkill, but (at least) one of you has to be.

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To be quite honest, I've been Scum in a Less Pressure, and one of the things we talked about almost constantly was which IC to kill if we were lynched.

Now, I will grant that the players I was with at the time were inexperienced and I was being bossy. So maybe both of you are Scum.

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Less Pressure is Daytalk.

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Prolapsed Brain would have been added to a thread and perfectly able to read it.

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Working on it. When TTH and I are on at the same time we can properly hammer it out.

Also: congrats on your wiki page officially being 1 year out of date.

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It looks fine to me.

I'll probably reread the whole game at some point.

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I guess we could lynch Viomi.

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Apparently I'm more ruthless as Scum than most of y'all?

Alright then.

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In but not out, usually.

I hate everything.

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I literally do not understand anything.

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I don't want to lynch Viomi again.

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Official Vote Count

Prolapsed Brain

(4): Viomi, TellTaleHeart, Huntress, pisskop

Jingle

(1): goodmorning

Not Voting

(2): Jingle, Prolapsed Brain

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

This is what I'm looking at now. Trying to figure out what's what.

PB wasn't voting for Jingle with me. Hm.

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I'm slightly tempted.

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What's a red flag?

TWO OF THEM ARE SCUM OMG

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Maybe. But still.

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Well ,it's true that the only situation in which Jingle wouldn't hammer would be if they were scumbuddies.

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If he's Town, he knows Viomi is Scum, thus would hammer.
If he's Scum and Viomi is Town, he would also hammer.

If he's Scum and Viomi is Scum then to hammer makes him lose.

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That's as may be.

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^What makes you say that?

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I could also have hammered Jingle.

I don't really like making snap decisions though.

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Look, we have all the time in the world to wait and see if he'll come here and hammer. He can't lurk it forever.

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Actually there's not much point, but I'd like to be sure.

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...am I Cassandra then?

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As: let's not lynch Viomi? As: let's not lynch Xay? As: let's lynch Jingle?

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I'm asking who won.

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Well I feel glad now.

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We should've lynched Jingle instead of Xay though.

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^question of the year.