Micro 441: Less Pressure

[Jingle]

Just checking in to say Xay is scum, you're all being dense, and we should lynch him. By god, people. The game is solved. Follow me to VICTORY!

[Xayzeck]

ugh i don't know if i want to hammer xay now

Yoi should ask Jingle to repeat his scumcase eh that'll be handy

[Jingle]

ugh i don't know if i want to hammer xay now

Yoi should ask Jingle to repeat his scumcase eh that'll be handy

Yup, he's still scum.

[++--]

@ ++--:

If you think Xay is town, then who on the the wagon do you think is scum and why aren't you voting them?

I'm fairly certain about Dry-fit. I don't really remember why I didn't originally vote him (probably I just forgot to), but now I'll wait for some activity from his replacement.

ugh i don't know if i want to hammer xay now

Yoi should ask Jingle to repeat his scumcase eh that'll be handy

Yup, he's still scum.

That's not really a case though.

[goodmorning]

I rather think that was the point.

[Jingle]

The point is that Xay is scum.

XAYZECK IS SCUM!

[goodmorning]

I don't know if I believe that!

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm going to prod dodge until someone hammers.

[Jingle]

Me too! But by prod dodge I mean post:

XAYZECK IS SCUM!

Over and over and over and over.

This is a public service announcement by your friendly neighborhood Jingle.

XAYZECK IS SCUM!

[Jingle]

I don't know if I believe that!

Make a towncase that I can refute, or join me on the Xay wagon. Huntress won't help us lynch Xay anymore, so we're gonna need all the townies.



Also, Just a friendly reminder:

XAYZECK IS SCUM.

[Huntress]

You've driven away any confidence I had in that read.

[Jingle]

You've driven away any confidence I had in that read.

[goodmorning]

I don't know if I believe that!

Make a towncase that I can refute, or join me on the Xay wagon. Huntress won't help us lynch Xay anymore, so we're gonna need all the townies.

You're the one making a positive assertion here ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[Jingle]

Xayzeck is scum.

Do I actually need to restate my reasoning? It's fucking obvious. Town Xay pays more attention to the thread than that. He doesn't give a shit about the game and he's making no attempt to read anyone. He's goddamn scum. Now help me lynch him.

[goodmorning]

See, the problem I have with that is that your points boil down to:
1. effort
2. effort
3. untrue assertion.

Effort isn't really indicative of alignment, and he obviously has tried to read people or what the fuck was p13?

I know that part of me is only resisting the lynch because I feel forced into it but more of it is because I genuinely don't think Xay is Scum.

[Malakittens]

Pisskop replaces Dry-Fit

[TellTaleHeart]

Someone, please give me a spectacular motivational speech. I promise I'll go find some stirring orchestral music to play in the background while I read it.

[pisskop]

++--, goodmorning, Pine

You three are not voting. GM is IC, so that's cool. But why aren't you voting?

unvote

I glazed over halfway through, but I don't think Xay is the best choice. Ill reread him.

[pisskop]

I read and I want to lynch Pine. Xay would be for information or progress, but he's not screaming town either.

[Jingle]

See, the problem I have with that is that your points boil down to:
1. effort
2. effort
3. untrue assertion.

Vote: Xayzeck

Not the votes themselves, per se, but your reasoning and timing have felt quite a bit off. It's a common scum assertion that, just because they've voted scummy people, that that automatically makes their reasons scummy. It ain't true

I haven't gotten much significant vibe from Xayzeck. Sell me on why he's scummy?

That second sentence doesn't make sense. What did you actually mean there?

As for Xay, it's just a gut feeling, as I said earlier.

This is pretty obviously scum bussing. She's trying hard to look like she has a reason to vote her buddy, but she doesn't. She's trying hard to be on the Xay wagon, but she's still not arguing for it. She's trying to lynch Pine while voting for Xayzeck, and it's because she wants the towncred of being on his wagon.

Why would voting/not voting matter though?

Because in this setup if scum doesn't bus then we need every townie voting unamimously to get a lynch, so if you're town we may not be able to get a lynch on scum without you.

Bussing =\= distancing.

And no, they wouldn't. You push one person to lynch. I would bet that scum have each other as secondary or tertiary scum reads.

I'm talking about bussing, not distancing. If we lynch scum we look at those not on the wagon, which means at least one scum has to be on the wagon otherwise they're out in the open. Bussing is good play for scum here. But then, so is abstaining as it just drags the game out and we end up with a compromise lynch, probably on town.


I can't make my mind up whether Xay or Jingle is scum, or both or even neither. So I'm going back to those I have decent scum reads on: Pine and ++--. Pine has been refusing to answer questions and has been posting in other games while avoiding this one.

Vote: Pine

@ ++--:

If you think Xay is town, then who on the the wagon do you think is scum and why aren't you voting them?

@ Pine:

If you think Xay is town, then who on the the wagon do you think is scum and why aren't you voting them?

And as soon as the wagon stalls on her buddy, she jumps ship. Don't want to be voteparking on your buddy, you've got town to lynch!



Effort isn't really indicative of alignment, and he obviously has tried to read people or what the fuck was p13?

I know that part of me is only resisting the lynch because I feel forced into it but more of it is because I genuinely don't think Xay is Scum.

1. Effort is sometimes indicative of alignment. Some players put more work in as certain alignments. Live with it.
2. No. No it isn't. The backbone of the case is that he isn't reading the thread. Xay is more careful than that as town. He reads critically and he doesn't miss things that have had multiple posts dedicated to them in an 8 page game. That's just not town him behavior.
3. P13 was Xayscum looking at me, who caught him, and going "Oh shit, I better shut him up. I better make sure no one listens to that." What better way to do so than to call me scum? Given that every mention of another player on that page by him was somehow tied to me, it reads a lot like survivalistic scum trying to minimize my reads whenever possible.

Someone, please give me a spectacular motivational speech. I promise I'll go find some stirring orchestral music to play in the background while I read it.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of Xayzeck and all the odious apparatus of Scum rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall lynch Xay in France, we shall lynch Xay on the seas and oceans, we shall lynch Xay with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our town, whatever the cost may be. We shall lynch Xay on the beaches, we shall lynch Xay on the landing grounds, we shall lynch Xay in the fields and in the streets, we shall lynch Xay in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New Town, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

[Xayzeck]

Me putting less effort than normal is not indicative of my alignment, I just don't feel particularly motivated to play mafia in general. My activity sidewide is this way.

I'm interested, do you have reasons for Xayscum without meta? How convinced are you without comparisons to how I play as town/scum.

[Xayzeck]

I read and I want to lynch Pine. Xay would be for information or progress, but he's not screaming town either.

What about ++-- or Jingle?

[pisskop]

pfp
mathbro can eat rope too, but I didnt look too hard at him yet due to time management

I dont know Jingle's meta, but he may be town.

. and to be clear, I oppose your lynch right now because the apathy lurkng nonvoting, Im not sure your lynch is the best in terms of scumminess or info, and Pine is soo much more lynchy, not because you are town.

[pisskop]

Also

vote: Pine

I was waiting for his return, but Id like to skip the inevitable Question.

[Jingle]

Me putting less effort than normal is not indicative of my alignment, I just don't feel particularly motivated to play mafia in general. My activity sidewide is this way.

I'm interested, do you have reasons for Xayscum without meta? How convinced are you without comparisons to how I play as town/scum.

The case started as a meta observation, but your reaction was decidedly not town. It's noted that you're about to try to convince me you're not scum.