Micro 583: Kids With Guns (Game Over)

[Persivul]

/confirm

[Persivul]

That's 6.

VOTE: Maestro

Because good name but I bet the avatar isn't.

[Persivul]

This isn't a newbie game. Not liking gurts playing the teacher role. Seems like a way to get town cred without actually scum hunting.

VOTE: B and G

[Persivul]

The Bill and Gompers votes are all pretty silly, no offense.

1. We're barely out of RVS, WTF do you expect?

2. What's silly about my vote on them?

[Persivul]

STFU with the yelling already would ya? This is a different pace here.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Kain

Just because you need to chill the fuck out.

[Persivul]

NM is probstown tbh

Why?

[Persivul]

This is a blatant policy lynch.

A PL in an 8-person game? No. We could be in MYLO or LYLO tomorrow. There's no room for error.

And my guess was wrong, the avatar is OK.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Persivul]

Confirm mafia suicide bomber

Town motivation for this is...?

[Persivul]

Scum motivation for this is..?

Sow wifom.

[Persivul]

For teh lulz, why are you only picking up on it now?

I'm only mentioning it now.

What was the town motivation for that post?

[Persivul]

You gave a motivation, but not a town motivation. So, yes, I guess you did give me what I need to know.

[Persivul]

Anti-town fun is not allowed.

[Persivul]

It could be mafia playing wifom -

hey, mafia wouldn't call attention to themselves like this, so I'm going to do it

. You could get lynched or vigged for it, so if you're town, it's an anti-town play.

[Persivul]

You're the only one who seems to care

As we have a vig, it only takes one person to care.

[Persivul]

If the real vig claims and there's no CC, he's conftown. So, you're advocating lynching conftown.

[Persivul]

But we had to lynch the vig because you wanted to shoot town,

The vig is conftown. The target isn't. It makes no sense for town to lynch a conftown in order to save someone who may be town or may be scum.

why are you making us lynch the vig scum?

I'm town, so of course I want to lynch scum (although there's not a "vig scum" in the setup).

[Persivul]

So you think I'm a vig and scum, despite that not being in the setup.

[Persivul]

I flipped from scum to town pretty quickly.

p-edit: and now I'm scum again?

[Persivul]

I'd rather me be lynched than BAG. Aero's got way more experience than I do, and, if town, would be more useful.

I'll even self-hammer if I'm feeling randy.

This is really bad. You know the alignment of exactly one person - yourself. But, this early in the game, you're so confident in your town read on BAG - despite your admitted lack of experience - that you would self-hammer rather than see BAG lynched. That doesn't add up. But, you and BAG being scum together is probably too obvious. This is more likely scum trying to buddy up to a town player that they perceive as being strong.

[Persivul]

I'd rather me be lynched than BAG. Aero's got way more experience than I do, and, if town, would be more useful.

I'll even self-hammer if I'm feeling randy.

This is really bad. You know the alignment of exactly one person - yourself. But, this early in the game, you're so confident in your town read on BAG - despite your admitted lack of experience - that you would self-hammer rather than see BAG lynched. That doesn't add up. But, you and BAG being scum together is probably too obvious. This is more likely scum trying to buddy up to a town player that they perceive as being strong.

Join me Persivul

Why would I join you on BAG when I just said that LG is scummy, but probably not scum together with BAG?

[Persivul]

OK. No, I like my vote where it is. Your town game is bare votes with the occasional 3-word grunt post. You're way too chatty (relatively speaking) this game.

[Persivul]

^ @NM

[Persivul]

I saw that a previous versions had modkill for faking a suicide bomb.

[Persivul]

If suicide bomb can only be accomplished by PMing the mod, then there's no effect. The role PM doesn't specify the mechanic.

mod, what's the mechanic for the suicide bomber?

[Persivul]

VOTE: lovelygiant

[Persivul]

Why is lovelygiant being voted for??

Buddying up to BAG.

[Persivul]

Does that mean BAG is not suicide bomber, because he said suicide bomb but lovely did not die??

Probably. The mod kinda sorta made an out so that we can't conclude that with 100% certainty, but it seems likely. Which raises the question: if he's town and legitimately saw what he thought was a breaking strategy, why didn't he encourage everyone to do it?

BAG = goon, NM = suicide bomber.

UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

I have a good idea then, everyone say SUICIDE BOMB: SOMEONE and whoever who dies, the person who typed that is the suciide bomber and we can lynch him!!!

Can't - mod clarified that anyone faking suicide bomber will be modkilled. That should have been in the rules to begin with. Mod oversight, although the last game had it so it's not an unknown issue.

[Persivul]

I don't see a benefit to withholding a shot until N2 and a 1-for-1 with the suicide bomber benefits town, so I'm going to

claim vig

.

BAG's presumably suicide bombing is very suspicious. So, we lynch him today. I vig NM tonight. If one of those is wrong, they kill me tonight, since without a CC (@Kain: coounter-claim) in an open setup I'm conftown. Then we still have an undisclosed IC in our favor.

VOTE: BAG

[Persivul]

*presumably false

[Persivul]

With a rope.

[Persivul]

By the way, we're not really going to be lynch today, so please stop wasting your vote pers. Just because we think you're scum doesn't mean you can mislynch us.

--Aero

Bad play to continue to scum read a claimed PR in an open setup. Thanks for confirming my read.

[Persivul]

Not what I said; granted, you claimed, and there hasn't been a CC. But I called you out before, and now suddenly you're back on us. And I'm telling you that you should take your vote somewhere else.

-A

I'll take it to NM if you go their first.

[Persivul]

Does NM not look like lynchbait to you?

No, he looks like scum to me.

[Persivul]

If so they better lynch BAG tomorrow.

[Persivul]

Oh, you think the Bomber will take Persivul down if he gets in-thread.

That's ridiculous, and just NM looking for some town cred. 1-for-1 is bad for scum. In the last go of this setup, the bomb did take out the vig, and scum lost.

[Persivul]

BAG = goon, NM = suicide bomber.

See I knew BAG and NinoMasaki were scummates, I suggested it first,,,!!

Oh crap, I need to clarify.

N

ot_

M

afia = suicide bomber.

[Persivul]

So we lynch Bill and shoot NinoMasaki tonight then we win

Lynch BAG and shoot Not_Mafia.

[Persivul]

As far as I'm concerned, BaG, NM, and Persivul are confirmed-not-Suicide-Bomber. No idea about Kain because he's a VI and I'm not sure he'd know what to do in this situation as the Bomber. From my PoV, none of us who have posted so far (except Kain) can be Scum if BaG is, basically.

I'm confused. It seems totally optimal to definitely take out the Vig if he's claimed in-thread and there's no reason to disbelieve him... what am I missing here? Why would the Bomber not just walk into you and go boom?

UNVOTE:

Uh, because

he dies too

maybe?

[Persivul]

Why does a cop claim when he gets a guilty? Because a 1-for-1 trade generally benefits town, not scum. So, no, you can't conclude that someone isn't bomber just because they haven't bombed me. Mafia suicide bomber is generally a negative utility role. In the run of this setup that scum won, the bomber did NOT use his ability.

[Persivul]

Jesus you people reaaaaaaly can't read into context.

Unvote me.

-Aero

I can, but I don't buy it. If you're IC, just PM the mod. When you're in trouble why soft a claim that's easily provable? If you're successful with the soft, scum know who you are anyway.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Persivul]

Why.

Why just come out and say that.

Maybe I've been hinting because I don't feel like getting killed N1. Imagine how beneficial it would be for the IC to get to like LYLO or something. But hey, that's fine, just keep pushing someone you think may be the IC.

Sorry, too risky to let that go on a soft claim, it would have been a good scum play. But guess what - if we don't hit scum we're in MYLO or LYLO

tomorrow

, and when there's no CC we're both conftown, and they can't take us both out without using the bomb.

And hey, maybe you shouldn't have fucked around with the fake bomb if you didn't want to draw attention to yourself.

[Persivul]

What?? So Bill is confirmed town??

Correct, BAG is now 100% guaranteed town.

[Persivul]

I suggest that everyone vote their main read, but also

FOS:

their next scum read, so I can take that into consideration for the vig shot.

[Persivul]

That's true, they woulda just killed you though. So either way we'll have at least one conftown tomorrow.

Yup. Now, what do you think of Not Mafia's call for the speed lynch on you?

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

I don't know who to vote??

Then don't. There's lots of time.

[Persivul]

I really don't like it; I'm going to wait for Wgeurt's input before we vote though.

No rush, now that you're conftown I want to take some time on this. That's why I unvoted.

[Persivul]

From my PoV, just with PoE, yes.

Seriously, you have 6 town reads?

[Persivul]

How do you know Persivul is town??

VOTE: Persivul

This is an open setup. That means we know exactly what the power roles are. We know that there is exactly one 1-shot vigilante in the game. I have claimed to be the 1-shot vigilante.

If I were scum making a false claim, the real 1-shot vigilante would counter-claim (CC) and I would be lynched.

I don't know what they do on your other site but this is standard procedure here, and for good reason.

[Persivul]

At least there's no more PRs to out!

Not sure everyone caught this. It's basically a scum claim.

[Persivul]

I caught it, and it's bad but not as bad as I think you think it is.

Why not? What does N_M say about it?

[Persivul]

I honestly don't know how to read Not_Mafia but Aeronaut does so I'll trust his word there.

Not too tough to read his sudden attempt to quick lynch you.

[Persivul]

Chill out Kain.

[Persivul]

Current reads, town to scum:

Nino
Kain
Xtox
lovely
Maestro
Not Mafia

[Persivul]

Yeah, I tend not to answer or compromise with dead people.

[Persivul]

If Kain isn't mafia, he more than deserves to eat a lynch. We'll have a less ridiculous day chat. Things will actually progress forward.

If he IS mafia, congrats, we've snagged one. What's not to love?

As several people have explained, what's not to love is that we just don't have the numbers to indulge in a policy lynch.

[Persivul]

By the way, we're not really going to be lynch today, so please stop wasting your vote pers. Just because we think you're scum doesn't mean you can mislynch us.

--Aero

Bad play to continue to scum read a claimed PR in an open setup. Thanks for confirming my read.

you're so blind.

No, it's just that I don't

believe

every soft claim that I

see

.

[Persivul]

Furthermore, if policy lynching is discouraged due to risk, how do we guarantee the vig kill is any safer to make? Genuinely wondering.

We don't guarantee it. There are very few

guarantees

in mafia. But, I've asked people to name primary and secondary scum reads. So, the vig shot will basically be an extra lynch. Actually I think we should come to agreement on a pool of 3 - one to lynch today, one to vig tonight, one to lynch tomorrow if it comes to that. My pool is currently Not_Mafia, Maestro, and you.

[Persivul]

2. you just love ignoring things, huh?

I sometimes get a kick out of ignoring assholes.

[Persivul]

And I'm an asshole because....?

Maybe you were bullied as a kid or something...how the hell would I know why you're an asshole?

[Persivul]

So can we lynch someone already??

No. We need agreement on the 3 most likely scum. That could take awhile.

[Persivul]

Keep talking. Read ISOs. Ask questions. The usual.

[Persivul]

All of a player's posts in isolation. Look at the top of a post. Click on ISO. It gives you all of that player's posts. It lets you analyze a particular player without Reading the whole thread again. you can get to all of them by clicking on Activity overview at the bottom right of the screen. Then click on a player's number of posts.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Maestro

This is what I want to do today.

Why?

That's a scum response.

[Persivul]

Someone unvote. A short phase only helps scum.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Maestro

This is what I want to do today.

Why?

That's a scum response.

no, like, objectively, it's really not

In my experience, it is.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Maestro

I'm good with this now. I believe that's L-2.

A couple of douchebags

Kain and Not_Mafia voting more than once had me thinking it was higher.

[Persivul]

Respond to the half that aren't naked voting.

[Persivul]

THE HALF THAT AREN'T NAKED VOTING AREN'T GIVING ME ANYTHING TO DUCKING RESPOND TO

It follows from the definition of naked voting that the people who

aren't

naked voting

have

given you something to respond to.

Previously you asked BAG why they want to lynch you, and I said that was scummy. It's scummy because they have given reasons - they don't like your call for a PL in a small game, and didn't buy your PoE explanation. I checked that before I said your response was scummy. You could have checked it too, and replied accordingly, even if it meant a repeat of previous answers. That you didn't do so indicates that you don't want to rehash those issues, and that indicates that you know your explanations for them are weak. So, it was a scummy response - maybe they wouldn't get around to repeating their charges, and then you might look better to others who might not be following closely.

[Persivul]

What are you even accusing me of?

Do you not know how to pull up someone's ISO then do a search on your user name?

[Persivul]

Regarding Maestro, I'll add that I didn't like his jump to join Not_Mafia's push to speed lynch BAG. He's been around long enough to know that a 1-for-1 isn't in scum's best interests.

I've reviewed Not_mafia's ISO and if he flips red, I doubt that lovely is his partner. His earlier pushes on lovely appear genuine. His stuff since he's been under suspicion is pure wifom.

[Persivul]

As of right now,

Vote Lovely
FOS Kain

The early town feels I had on Kain are slipping hard, i'm wondering if this erratic play is part of a scum strategy. Didn't like the on-off the wagon with L-1, I can see it as jumpy newbscum.

That said, i'm not liking the PL push from Mae much either.

Pers>Nano>NM>Mae>Kain>Lovely

Can you explain why lovely's at the bottom of your list and Not Mafia is fairly high?

Not liking xtox's ISO, and particularly if Not Mafia flips red.

Nino's ISO is short but what's there looks town.

If Not Mafia is scum, then I'd say his partner is in {Maestro/Xtoxm/Kain} in that order. Kain is just there because he's hard to read and I can't really rule him out.

[Persivul]

If Maestro is scum, I don't think lovely or Kain could be his partner.

[Persivul]

Maestro used mostly emotion and little logic to stop the impending wagon on him. He seems like a bright player, so I can't understand why he chose that response.

That's part of my scum read on him as well.

[Persivul]

Which one of Maestro-N_M would get us more information as a lynch, pers?

-A

I don't think we get a whole lot from a green flip from either one of them. From a red flip, I think we get more from Maestro. As noted above I think that would rule out Kain and lovely, and we'd be left with Not_mafia or xtox as the partner.

[Persivul]

Persivul, go and meta me before you talk shit (or before you talk anything, really) about my play.

I did a little - I went to the recently ended game you mentioned. You were town there, and your play was a lot different than it was here.

[Persivul]

One thing that jumped out from that game: "I always get aggressive and inappropriate quickly." Except, in this game, you didn't do that. 343 reads to me like

Oh fuck I'm not playing at all like my town meta I better get aggressive and inappropriate.

[Persivul]

Instead of insulting my scum hunting techniques, you could, you know, actually do some scum hunting yourself. In 343 you said you'd be back later with reads.

[Persivul]

Dude you unvoted in 323.

[Persivul]

You're already on it N_M.

[Persivul]

@ N_M: The VC is 4 posts above your own. I kinda think that maybe you were aware of that...

[Persivul]

I'm a doublevoter

I think you meant that for another game. You're a suicide bomber in this one.

[Persivul]

Instead of insulting my scum hunting techniques, you could, you know, actually do some scum hunting yourself. In 343 you said you'd be back later with reads.

Having to phone post. If you actually cared you could definitely take the time to wait or put pressure elsewhere.

When I flip Town what will go on tonorrow? We may as well prepare to discuss it with our free now.

Sure - give us your reads so we can discuss what should happen tomorrow. Or even tonight - I do have a vig shot you know.

[Persivul]

He was joking and probably trying to sow some chaos as well, and that apparently worked.

[Persivul]

LMAO - Kain has been hot for a lynch all phase and now it's his last vote switch that stopped it.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:
OK, here's some time.

[Persivul]

Did you derphammer in that game? I didn't think that really happened.

[Persivul]

If Not_Mafia is scum, who is most likely to be his partner?

[Persivul]

Sure, vote him. It will only be L-1.

[Persivul]

Actually no, I think the correct play is to lynch Not_Mafia, then vig Maestro.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Persivul]

VOTE: NOT_MAFIA

I will follow PERSIVUL he seems to know what he's doing!!!

Key word is "seems."

I was out for a walk and thinking about it, and the only useful time for the bomb to go off that I can see is if the bomber's lynch looks inevitable and one or both of the PRs are known. Maestro was looking close to lynch and no bomb, so if he's scum I think he's the goon.

Of course now that I've said this it doesn't apply anymore and we just have to go through with the lynches.

[Persivul]

Alright, so I believe this Maestro wagon is definitely going too fast with that almost-lynch... We have 2 weeks, right?

Wagons are important for information, as you'll see below.

Even if Maestro is scum, we still should try to get as much information as possible before the lynch. If Maestro is not mafia, focusing too much on him would only allow scum to relax and not feel particularly pressured.

Information is a function of posting, and you're tied for lowest post count. In other words, please participate more.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

No lynching N_M until we get a chance to fucking talk.

Why were you voting him before? You've had plenty of opportunity to talk to him.

If we don't have the numbers to mislynch me,

This is an excellent observation,

and pretty much solves the game.

VC 1.6

Maestro

[L-1]

- Not_Mafia, Persivul, Bill and Gompers, lovelygiant

lovelygiant

- Xtoxm

Not_Mafia

- Maestro, KainTepes

Not Voting

- NinoMasaki

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2016-03-03 14:30:00)

Mod Notes:

If you're town, there was no reason for scum not to lynch you. Arguments were made against you, both conftowns were on your wagon - if you're town, that was a mislynch served up on a silver platter. But, you weren't lynched. So, if you're town, both scum must have already been on your wagon. Since me and BAG are conftown, that means that

if you're town, Not_Mafia and lovely must be the scum team.

Xtox, Kain, and Nino seem to be cleared - I would think scum would be watching the thread for just such an opportunity.

So, if you could go ahead and put your vote back on N_M, that would be great, mmkay? Or if you prefer to volunteer, we could just lynch you, and your flip will settle it.

[Persivul]

Why were you voting Maestro? Why did you remove your vote? It looks like you just used sarcasm as an excuse to take your vote off Maestro. Should we go back to Maestro?

[Persivul]

So you were on Maestro because...?

[Persivul]

So now you think lovely is the easiest mislynch...maybe because xtox is fixated on him?

[Persivul]

As mafia suicide bomber, he was the easiest mislynch

And why didn't your partner hammer?

[Persivul]

OK, I'm satisfied with Not_Mafia as scum, and pretty sure that Maestro is his partner. As noted, since Maestro didn't explode, N_M should be the lynch. The problem is that in this setup, scum's main advantage is numbers. Without bussing, it takes 5 of 6 to lynch scum, and it's tough to get 5 of 6 people to agree to anything. I believe lovely, BAG, and Kain are on board. If so, we need one of Xtox or Nino to agree.

An important point to remember is that

the bomb doesn't end phase

. If the bomber goes off, we still get a lynch. That means that we need time after the bomb to again get to majority. So, I suggest that we set an informal deadline of day 9 (I believe it's only day 5 now) for a lynch. That way if the bomber throws things into confusion, there's still 5 days to work out the lynch.

[Persivul]

I'm not N_M's scummate.

FTR, what I said about you and N_M being the scum team was completely rhetorical to put pressure on Maestro to move his vote back to N_M. I'm pretty comfortable with a N_M/Maestro team rn.

Also, if he truly IS town, wouldn't excessive trolling like this be considered not playing to his win condition?

No, that's not solid enough. It's really hard to prove not playing to wincon. I've seen people self hammer as town and get away with it. Apart from being scum and outing your team, pretty much anything can be rationalized in some way.

[Persivul]

based on N_M's constant "yup I'm the bomber" and his trolling attitude, I could see him literally being the bomber, with Maestro as the goon, as Mae's near-lynch didn't set a bomb off.

Agreed.

But literally where is the town motive for your entire schtick this game? It quite honestly only benefits you in a scenario where you are mafia.

Yep.

[Persivul]

I believe that's L-2.

[Persivul]

Well, NM-Mae means bomber-NM was bussing goon-Mae, and left Mae at L-1 with a clear and imminent danger of hammer. NM hasn't exactly set himself up for a solo game.

Note that N_M won a previous run of this setup by bussing his partner D1:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=61714

[Persivul]

Prodge - just waiting for people to actually play the game they signed up for and stuff.

[Persivul]

Lynch Not_Mafia. Vig Maestro. Win.

Alternatively: Not_Mafia suicide bombs me. Lynch Maestro. Win.

Just need some people to show up and see the light.

[Persivul]

Yeah, this is bad. Nino didn't post for nearly three days then just came in to announce a VLA. BAG is a hydra, and neither one of them can be bothered to post.

[Persivul]

I understand we do have this vig shot, so I'd like to look through the other people in the game first.

I announced that I want to lynch N_M and I'm going to vig Maestro because as I see it:

- if Maestro is town, scum's best play is to let me vig Maestro tonight while killing either me or you as conftowns, then kill the other conftown N2.

- If Maestro is scum, they may see it as beneficial to bomb me today. If that happens - and particularly if the bomber is N_M - then that's pretty solid evidence that my reads are correct. I don't see the benefit (other than potential wifom) of killing the bomber to kill me, to set up Maestro for mislynch, when they could just let me vig Maestro tonight.

Just wanted that out there more clearly in case I die.

[Persivul]

You were too. What's the problem?

[Persivul]

Mod: can we get a force replace (or at least a prod) on nino, and a deadline freeze in the meantime?

[Persivul]

My current views on the game.

BaG is of course conftown.

Lovely is town, based both on his own content and on pushes from scum reads. (BTW the asshole comment was in response to some IMO condescending remarks he made and wasn't a big deal - just normal mafia trash talk. There's no lingering ill will on my part and he seems to feel the same.)

Not_Mafia: scum. Seriously, if he's town, he's going on my blacklist, because it's a waste of time to play with someone who would play town this way.

Maestro: I like his more recent content. But, the call for the PL in a small game and the jump on N_M's call for a speed lynch on BAG are really bad, and so he stays in my lynch pool.

Xtoxm: could be scum. I noticed the same things that Maestro did, but didn't comment much at the time because xtox doesn't say much as is and I didn't want to put him on guard.

Kain: could be scum. I could see the plan being for Kain to play crazy in order to be labeled newbtown, then back off and coast. The latest unexplained unvote on N_M is suspicious.

Nino: null/town. Nothing she's said has pinged me, but then she hasn't said much at all. Kind of a reverse PoE - I have more than enough scumspects before even getting to her.

In short: scum is Not_Mafia plus one of Maestro/Xtox/Kain.

Running out the game:

Let's say scum is N_M plus one of A/B/C. Worst case scenario is that it's C (our lest likely suspect). Then:

Without the bomb:

It's now 6:2.
Lynch N_M it's 6:1 going into N1.
Vig A, scum kills me. It's 4:1 going into D2.
Lynch B. It's 3:1 going into N2.
Scum kills BAG, it's 2:1 going into D3.
Lynch C. Town win. So that works out.

With the bomb:

It's now 6:2.
Bomber takes me out. It's now 5:1. We still have a lynch. Lynch A. It's 4:1 going into N1.
Scum kills BAG. It's 3:1 going into D2.
Lynch B. It's 2:1 going into N2. Scum win.

We could also NL on D2 in the bomber scenario, but the important point is that in the bomber scenario we only get two shots at the last scum. In the no-bomb scenario we get three.

That doesn't mean the bomb will necessarily trigger. If it's N_M he probably will as the main scumspect. He could choose not to if my reads are way off or because he likes wifom, but triggering appears to be the correct play. BUT, if it's the partner, then triggering is probably a bad play, as N_M then gets lynched and we win.

This doesn't sound too bad on paper. BUT, it needs to get accomplished, and that could be problematic. Of the four people not in my lynch pool, 2 are inactive (BAG and Nino). We need them to talk to see if they're on board with this plan. Plus, 4 aren't enough to lynch. We need 5. That means that we have to determine who C is (i.e. the least scummy of the 4-person scum pool), and see if that person is also on board.

Comments on all this are welcome.

[Persivul]

No, but I'm not rehashing the case against you. Again, seriously, if this is your town game I'm not playing with you in the future, as it's a waste of time.

[Persivul]

It's not a thing. As long as it stays in the game, it's just a part of the game.

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Mod: V/LA until Friday due to exams, very sorry!

If you don't have time to play just replace out. No one will mind.

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I don't want to let Nino and Mae just v/la the day out.

Reminding me of scum-jasmine from some newbie game.

I won't wait too much longer, though.

Says the guy who's on VLA until 3/1.

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lovely & BAG: please rank these three from most scummy to least scummy: Maestro, Kain, Xtox.

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Dude, he just wants to see what you'd say so he can then push the people you find scummiest.

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Regarding Maestro, yeah, I noticed that he unvoted N_M as soon as the pressure on himself subsided, claiming that talk was needed. But, he then re-voted N_M without any talk taking place.

I don't know what to make of his last few posts. They're pretty good, but could also be scum who finally figured out what tone to take.

And I'm really not liking Xtox or Kain.

I wish BAG would participate and Nino would replace.

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Good thing the Conf-Town is back from the dead then.
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Dang it, WHY MUST I SLIP IN EVERY GAME

Yes, having some input from another set of eyes (or two) would be helpful.

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Your fault for wagoning us early-game...

It's not my fault you don't know how to play a PR.

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Scum slip. Not that we need it, but still...

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So a quick check shows that N_M is at L-1.

According to my count it's only L-2, as you and BAG will neither shit nor get off the pot.

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My A-B is currently Kain-Maestro. I liked Xtox's posts yesterday. I'm not even sure I want him in at C. My C would be a split between xtox & Nina.

Any chance someone could man up and hammer before bomb gets a chance to go off?

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Mod probably counts that but you might want to do it in hydra to be sure.

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Dude hammer now and make the post in twilight. The bomb is a factor.

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Delay could be seen as a scum bussing but not before the bomb goes off.

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During night I had Nino as scum but unfortunately went with Maestro. He was overly concerned with being vigged, setting up the next day's lynch, and just being rude. The star of the game was xtox. I was suspicious at first but he towned it up nicely and after my ISO reviews at night I had him firmly as town.

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Kain, you can't vote almost everyone, then claim you had it right.