Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

hi guys

wats going on

[pirate mollie]

why yes I am scum cos I have not placed an rvs vote cos I always place an rvs vote in every single game I play but scum!me is too skeered to place 1 rn cos I am skeered that you guys will catch me.

good job guys

[pirate mollie]

guapo's law: don't answer questions that are aimed at some1 other than you. it interferes with the person who is asking the question's scumhunting.

are we out of rvs yet? it feels like we are out of rvs

HI MAV ARE YOU SCUM THIS GAME?

[pirate mollie]

Let's aim for me actually being active before you try to suss my alignment out Mollie.

you look very nervous to me mav. I understand that this is your first game outside of newbies yeah? I want to get to the heart of why you are coming across as nervous, whether it is cos you are scum or cos you are in a game where every1 else seems to know each other and are all about the inside jokes during rvs.

don't worry tho, I will be gentle.

[pirate mollie]

SS could be scum.

:/

[pirate mollie]

Already doubting me Mollie?

why yes. yes I am.

[pirate mollie]

Any reason for that?

sure

are you going to do a follow up of the "ss might be scum" statement?

[pirate mollie]

bbt I thought we were just saying hi

I know that we are supposed to keep our torrid seekrit love affair under wraps but I just can't hide it!

I think ss is on to us.

[pirate mollie]

omg did what I think just happened, happen?

[pirate mollie]

Just being clear: 65 is not a scumclaim.

wait you mean you just self-hammered as town on p3?

[pirate mollie]

I am confused.

eta: oic, gambit

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:
that was fun, we should do it again sometime

70 is very likely scum. Here is BBT so sure that I'm scum and he suddenly brings up the point "if I'm town" without mentioning how unlikely it would be for anyone to self-hamemr there, probably because he doesn't want everyone to see my townflip and be like "hmm BBT was pushing him as an easy mislynch". As scum I sometimes fall into the trap of saying "if you're town" to the townies I'm pushing just to lessen the blow when they flip town.
VOTE: BBT

pedit: nope I was only at L-1 because GL was already voting me.

wait bbt said that after you said it was not a scumclaim so the logical conclusion wld be to deduce that you are town.

[pirate mollie]

I don't think bbt is scum

[pirate mollie]

I'm not sure why BBT would believe me claiming town after thinking I self-hammered, and the way that post is phrased seems to be trying to shift as much of the blame for the lynch as possible onto me.

well if you self-hammered as town then it sort of is YOUR FAULT.

to me it reads he thought you were town AFTER you said that it was not a scumclaim. I am struggling to figure out why you are having such a hard time following this.

is this game a troll and every1 is in on it but me its okay radja won't mind if some1 squeals

jfc

[pirate mollie]

mollie I see your point...
I guess now my issue is less with the "if you self-hammered as town" and more with the "I hope you're feeling embarrassed". I think the latter is just something he found so that he could say the former, i.e. why should I feel embarrassed in particular? clearly I did what I thought was right, I might feel regretful or idiotic, but I don't really see why I should feel embarrassed.

Or maybe I just really want to call BBT scum because of how weakly he's pushing me. I mean, I did that last time I played with him and was right, so that may be leading me to a false conclusion.

is this game a troll and every1 is in on it but me its okay radja won't mind if some1 squeals

no, but I think I'm reverting into a child... when a game starts off like this for me, it tends to go downhill and so I'm sort of freaking out about it and doing weird crap that doesn't make any sense. I guess the only thing that's ever worked in this situation (i.e. not gotten me lynched or nearly lynched) is to just step back and forget all my previous reads and start over. I'm going to do that and see if I can't start making sense.

Pedit: ok, my first townread now goes to beeboy.

okay

I think I see what you are saying and I am understanding your POV a bit.

I am not sure how I feel about bbt saying "mollie is seeing sense" cos I am not sure that I have ever made sense to bbt and he seems rather content for me to be his interpreter so I am going to tell you what I think bbt is saying rn, he is saying that mollie is the most awsum person he has ever encountered and every1 shld just sheep me. yes. yes that is what he is saying.

eta: can some1 unvote plz thnx

[pirate mollie]

where did everybody go

ss I suggest you meta me before you whip yourself up into some kind of paranoia

I think you are town

VOTE: javajoe

[pirate mollie]

explain to me how shotty and ss are partners

[pirate mollie]

This is the second time today I'm going to be mislynched because of my play style. I like high pressure. I didn't ask for a claim I wanted to see how he squirmed. Take that as you will but that is how I scum hunt.

hey guys hey

can you unvote shotty and look at beetlejuiced javahoe who just placed an opportunistic vote on shotty?

kthnx

[pirate mollie]

Don't worry shotty, nobody's getting lynched yet. I believe this game to be solvable but I'm definitely going to have trouble reading you and Cakez. However I still don't have a read on you.

@Mollie: yeah I'll definitely do that and reading what I wrote it came out a bit rougher than I meant it to. Be assured that if I do develop a scumread on you (I am currently reading you weak town) that it will be justified; I'm not one to succumb to unwarranted paranoia.

@Cakez: why do you think I did the fake selfhammer?

@Java: what about 85 is more likely to come from scum? And what about my gambit didn't you like?

I srsly doubt that there any scumread on me that you cld develope since I am town. and since you jumped on shotty for something that I consider innocuous I am rather skeptical of your reads and your judgment.

and I certainly hope that you get paranoid cos that points to a town alignment it is scum who don't get paranoid but have to fake it since scum already know what is going on in the game. town don't.

[pirate mollie]

*that there is any scumread on me

[pirate mollie]

*wld be justified

I suck at multi-tasking

[pirate mollie]

oi!

I confused you and wl. sorry

I think that there is a distinct difference between cake boy's vote and java; cake boy seems like he is genuinely trying to sort the game (he is leaving a trail of his reads which is town IMO) and java said that they were sheeping suzunne cos she is never wrong.

I was kind of hanging back a bit to see if any1 else noticed and wld pick up on it and ask the obvs question, "so what games have you played with suzunne, java? where she was never wrong?" but I really need to stir stuff up so that I can sink my teeth into the game cos I will wind up in a nursing home if I wait around for you guys to do it.

anyhoo, I am going to look up java's games!

[pirate mollie]

Yo Java, you might want to claim

[pirate mollie]

^true but shotty you ought to know that someone on a wagon at L-1 has no leverage to force a claim.

Mollie, why do you want java to claim?

because if he is a speshul I don't want him derp hammered cos I don't trust you pple not to do that.

1 of the last micros games I played town derp lynched some1 on p1 or 2 before they had a chance to claim and I was not happy. I hadn't even had a chance to post. the guy was vt but still. town lost cos they were being superduper derpy I mean really derpy and there are a few players that I don't know so

[pirate mollie]

^true but shotty you ought to know that someone on a wagon at L-1 has no leverage to force a claim.

Mollie, why do you want java to claim?

Hence the FoS. This is terribly scummy. Almost acting like they are going to hammer if they don't claim. I know they didn't say intent to hammer, but it was still overly aggressive and shows a lot of opportunism on their behalf.

[pirate mollie]

But you also admitted that Mollie can't actually lynch Java. So the fear of a fast lynch based off of that post is unfounded. Why, then, did you unvote?

I didn't know they were already voting when I unvoted.

As for why I'm backing off this vs the SS wagon, I was pressuring SS and wanted to see how SS squirmed, but with java I thought we were about to have a quick hammer. In other words, I wasn't in control of weather or not java was hammered like I was on SS, and that scares me. Last thing we need is a quick lynch day one, and I really don't like the way mollie just did that,

hhhhmmmm....

[pirate mollie]

I interpreted your FoS to be a weak scumread, a scumlean if you'd prefer to call it that. Regardless of semantics, you found her action scummy. Also, asking for a claim and giving intent to hammer are virtually equivalent.

What is your current read on Mollie? What did you mean by the FoS, if not that she was leaning scum?

I don't have a full read, and by FoS I meant Finger of Shame. I am wagging my finger in shame.

[pirate mollie]

I thought FoS meant finger of suspicion..... Also, Mollie, no I will not claim at the present moment, thanks for fishing though, hope you have a license for that. I actually like SS' reaction to this whole affair and is now leaning town in my book.

I am not role fishing I just know based upon over 200 towngames of experience how you pple are when I am not around.

not sure how to read your refusal to claim

@ mav - I wld like to draw you out so that I can get a read on you! you said to wait until you post and I am waiting! can you plz post now tia <3

eta: fos means finger os suspicion it is literally in the wiki of acronyms page

[pirate mollie]

why are you facepalming

[pirate mollie]

I think this is his first journey out of rome so be a tad gentle but we need to show him how it is gonna be!

cake boy I think you might be town

I wld like to see more beeboy out of the wl slot!

[pirate mollie]

so lemme guess

you are wanting to softclaim a speshul role so that we don't lynch you but not fullclaim cos you don't want scum to know what you are

do i have this correct

[pirate mollie]

you do that

[pirate mollie]

I wld like to see more beeboy out of the wl slot!

Yohello!

I am voting scum and I like my vote. Shotty could also be scum.
I am gut town reading BBT and legitimately town reading SS.

All other players are null.

I would be posting more but me and Suzune disagree on reads a lot and we enjoy coordinating together instead of just doing random free for all like other hydras. We have spoken to each other about almost every single post we have made this game so assume anything Suzune says is something I support or else I would bully her until she doesn't make the post!

how the fuck am i null to you

[pirate mollie]

java is softclaiming speshul are you sure you are still okay with dat vote

[pirate mollie]

hhhmmm....

[pirate mollie]

yes

well

whoops

[pirate mollie]

I'm bored!

VOTE: beeboy

[pirate mollie]

I am trying to sort his alignment

how about you

[pirate mollie]

not sure

if he is scum it will only be a matter of time

why is wl a low priority for you

[pirate mollie]

also if mav is town I think that he can deliver the goods?

I hope

[pirate mollie]

Orly

[pirate mollie]

Cake I am less than thrilled with gl too!

Where did bbt go

Sold we send help

[pirate mollie]

Do I have you down as town cake boy cos I like you for town. I

[pirate mollie]

why isn't any1 asking me about gl

I am sending a search party for bbt

I too, am mystified by the townreads on wl but java is looking so much worse I might move my vote back.

[pirate mollie]

I also have reads on 5/8 players so.... >_>
Like this lack of content stuff just feels really made up.

~Bee

except you don't have 1 on me which is bad cos I figured that I wld be the player you have the most experience with.

@ ss

was he scum or town in that freedom game

[pirate mollie]

Scum.

so why aren't you voting him

[pirate mollie]

I also have reads on 5/8 players so.... >_>
Like this lack of content stuff just feels really made up.

~Bee

except you don't have 1 on me which is bad cos I figured that I wld be the player you have the most experience with.

@ ss

was he scum or town in that freedom game

In those games I was scum or you where in a hydra so I didn't take a lot out of how you played and the last time we played and I accused you of being scum and I drove a mislynch since you where actually town and I was 100% certain you where not playing to your town game so I am incredibly wary of my ability to read you to be perfectly honest despite our play time together.

~Bee

good answer

however I am pretty sure I am obvsly town here. I have no idea what you thought you saw in pokemon but that was a really bad read :/

[pirate mollie]

I am kind of debating about sticking my vote back on java tbh

[pirate mollie]

sure!

lets do it

VOTE: javajoe

after being run up and softclaiming I wld think he wld be doing more scumhunting then squatting on a softclaim

[pirate mollie]

Hmm. Interesting reads.

I realize you may not be able to explain them all but could you explain in particular the Maverick and SirCakez reads?

I also wld like an explanation for these reads.

[pirate mollie]

^this is actually a surprisingly good post

Lol, it wasn't meant to be, I just meant it as a joke. I will say more solidly that based on my role I would say that we have a fairly weak mafia team.

why not just claim ur role

the scum already know that you are speshul so it is likely that you will be targeted unless some1 protects you so you might as well just full claim at this point.

[pirate mollie]

hhhhhmm...

[pirate mollie]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

they really don't make much sense do they

[pirate mollie]

"Well you have done some scummy things and some townie things. Therefore, you have cancelled out anything positive with something negative. Making you null."

~Suz

I'm not trying to get you to scum read me btw, I am just trying to make heads and tales of those reads.

they really don't make much sense do they

What parts of our reads do you want us to explain that we haven't already?


~Bee

the part where you are trying to delve into the game on any level other than a surface 1.

I don't see a lot of effort to try to advance the game forward

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

"If we cannot convience you that Java is a good choice, we will be forced to change to guilty. However, we are not going to let that read go, simply because you do not wish to entertain it right now. Town always seems to think that having a power role that can be confirmed means you are town. Having a power role does not make you town. What use would a town have to an ability to figure out the role. What the town needs is a regular cop.

Mollie is there something you want to ask us, because you have been hypercritical of our game the entire time?"

~Suz

I can only speak for myself here when I say that I am not unvoting java cos he claimed speshul. I am unvoting him cos of the way that he claimed but I have not decided on him yet.

scumhunting /= hypercriticsm

I am scumhunting you cos I am trying to figure out what your alignment is and why our understanding of the gamestate rn is so at odds.

do you have a problem with this?

[pirate mollie]

So mollie do you see what I don't like about 259?

I dunno can you spell it out for me plz

[pirate mollie]

"Many of your posts seem to be directed at us. You pressure Bee for reads on you. You question our ability to think about and examine reads. So I hoped to move the process along by asking you for your questions"

~Suz

okay

can you walk me through your thought processes a bit? cos your explanation for your reads are pretty surface and I wld like to scratch a bit deeper.

I want you to think about this critically for a bit, is a 1-shot rolecop a way for town to deal with scum PRs or a way for scum to deal with town PRs?

~Bee

it depends on the set up. a role cop is not a guaranteed scum role

@ java - can you flavour claim plz?

[pirate mollie]

okay

can you walk me through your thought processes a bit? cos your explanation for your reads are pretty surface and I wld like to scratch a bit deeper.

What reads do you need a mind tour on?

~Bee

all of them but especially mav and cake boy

eta: I have played a lot of radja games too!

[pirate mollie]

also I wld like more explanation on the gl scumread

[pirate mollie]

ss why did you have wl as town before?

[pirate mollie]

@mollie: I wasn't reading too closely into their posts and kind of liked their reaction to my gale selfhammer. Their posting has gotten progressively worse. Same thing that happened in Freedom's Call: I townread them early but eventually came around on them when they really scummed it up.

okay so if you think this is their scum meta why aren't you trying to seel me on the lynch by voting them?

[pirate mollie]

*sell

[pirate mollie]

"I will not be making a long post that explain all of our reads in details. I am getting horrible flashbacks of once doing that for Titus only to have her laugh in my face then lynch me, only to have her win as scum. I would prefer, if we must go through them all that we do it one by one. Who first then?"

~Suz

mebbe the 2 that ss pointed out, that I echoed and then I asked for further insight into them

[pirate mollie]

*gale in 275 should be fake, stupid autocorrect

@mollie: I wasn't reading too closely into their posts and kind of liked their reaction to my gale selfhammer. Their posting has gotten progressively worse. Same thing that happened in Freedom's Call: I townread them early but eventually came around on them when they really scummed it up.

okay so if you think this is their scum meta why aren't you trying to seel me on the lynch by voting them?

It's too early for a lynch. There's no need to rush it along. I've found that sometimes not using your vote can be as powerful as using it.

yeah no

VOTE: whitelight

[pirate mollie]

I offered an opinion on cake boy.

[pirate mollie]

[quote="In post 294, WhiteLight"]fails to read it and instead relies on meta./quote]



I don't think that I am the 1 who is failing to read here.

I gave a read on cake boy.

and I am not using meta I am using this game and pointing out how there is a distinct lack an organic spelled out progression of your readslist.

ty for the elaboration on mav. not seeing it with cake boy.

if you are getting called out for defensiveness a lot then mebbe you might want to try a different approach. or you can stick with the 1 you have and brazen it out.

I personally get the feeling you aren't reading my posts. the engagement from you both is very surface and I have said this like 19 billion times. I like the progression on the mav read tho, but I need a comparison so that I can rule out you grooming him for endgame.

I am scumhunting you! its how I play the game. if I like your responses I will unvote.

[pirate mollie]

It is a legit scum read on Cakes he is relying a lot on meta which is something I do a lot as scum. There is only so much to say about reads this early. I can't go any deeper then that because I can only explain how simple Sircakez posts are in so many ways.

how is cake boy more heavily on meta than ss?

Java on the other hand was trying to pass off his one-shot role cop as something it wasn't (you have no reason to hide this) and he also said scum have low power which just can't be true because otherwise what are you role copping? He plays like scum and makes a play that no way suggests he is town and he way he makes the claim is also scummy. He also isn't scum hunting and is using that claim to coast. Like it is really obviously scummy and you aren't expecting anything out him and you think there is a problem with us being frustrated because that is honestly a fucking joke considering what has been said this game,

~Bee

hhhmmm...

[pirate mollie]

I tried to hint it here, post 259What the town needs is a regular cop., however it seemed to go over everyone's head. There would be no reason for the town to need both a role cop and an actual cop. Since the cop brings up the guilty the town needs and the role cop just confirms there are indeed power roles. The town need not know what the enemy has packing as long as they know they are the enemy.

~Suz

whats ur flavour

[pirate mollie]

hhhmmm

okay

lets vote java then

VOTE: javahoe

[pirate mollie]

And it's Javajoe, not Javahoe!!

yes you eat rope now

@ mod - will be doing survivor meet stuff from the 9th to the 13th and during I the interim I will be getting stuff ready so v/la

[pirate mollie]

we are lynching 1 of java or wl today anybody who tries to move the wagon off either of them will be declaring to be their scummate.

you don't sit on 2 claimed cops JFC

[pirate mollie]

Well what if we are both town and you lynch me today. I am going to flip town, and immediately you will all assume WL is lying and lynch them tomorrow. In that case you will lynch 2 Town PRs when you could wait a day, and have us investigate each other and show for sure if one of us is scum or not.

^ this is who needs to go first IMO

[pirate mollie]

A roleblocker.

A role-cop cannot discern somebody's alignment either. It's pretty weak.

wanna fucking make a bet

lynching the weakest of an investigative claim is mafia 101. I have lost all of the good feels I was having about you.

[pirate mollie]

look

it really is this simple. you don't let a 1v1 claim/cc go another day. period. end of story. this is how town loses games/

look I am back on my winning streak of town games can you plz not get derpy and fuck it up tia

[pirate mollie]

look

it really is this simple. you don't let a 1v1 claim/cc go another day. period. end of story. this is how town loses games/

look I am back on my winning streak of town games can you plz not get derpy and fuck it up tia

I just can't see a scenario where the cop and not the role cop is scum is they both cry foul. So today why not pursue other scum, unless you think the are scum together

listen. plz listen.

I have seen this scenario SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many times in games and every time that town puts off lynching claim/cc they lose. every single time. beeboy were in a recent game together where I was a lyncher and he was my target but also scum and I KNEW that he was scum via my role. I claimed straight out the gate cos I thought I was playing with half-way competent players in that game and dumb town let it go for 3 game days before lynching and pulling off a perfect win (I cld have won WITH TOWN and that was what I was going for). I don't want that to happen here.

I am telling you that I think we shld lynch java. he is scum flailing.

[pirate mollie]

the oooooooooone thing that gives me pause is that it wld be weird I think for radja to recycle a rick grimes role as a 2 shot cop.

hhhhmmmm....

UNVOTE: until i do some digging.

[pirate mollie]

I rolled gunsmith on episode 3 and was lynched day 1 because my flavor didn't make sense.
I really don't want to be lynched day 1 again as an investigative because of more bogus...


~Bee

Will you wagon SS with me?

no. if beeboy he shld be auto lynched cos he knows how bad it was for town in rupaul to leave us both alive. that is how he won.

why aren't you wanting to resolve this? allowing to last HURTS TOWN. scum won't nk the other cos then it proves the other is fake.

I srsly doubt there are 2 investigatives this game. this is micros not a large, you cannot further the game by leaving the 2 alive. you will be faced with an even bigger question mark tomorrow and still stuck in the same situ.

not resolving this is fucking scum motivation or extremely bad town.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie's pushing that it HAS to be one of Java/WL today is scummy as fuck.

nope.

its called "playing the tape all the way through" and if you applied a little bit of critical thinking and deductive reasoning as well as experience it wld be hard for you to come to a different conclusion if you had a town role pm.

1 of these things is missing if you are town and all of them wld be missing if you were scum.

1v1 with a claim/cc does not work out in town's favour in a micros. do the math

I am also going to claim a protective role and fuck yeah if scum wanna try to go head to head with me even if I am going to be mostly on v/la. cos I am really freaking town here, it is 1 of the reasons I was not worried about asking for claims from java or wl.

to me java looks the weakest of the 2 claims. I kind of get how wl softclaimed their role cos I did it in the same manner but ugh I am trying to close off loose ends and bottleneck scum's options.

[pirate mollie]

We will not have conf scum tomorrow.

If Java is scum:
Java claims that WhiteLight is something other than a cop (vanilla, for instance) in order to force a 1v1
WhiteLight investigates Java and finds he is guilty
Result: Java claims guilty result on WhiteLight, WhiteLight claims guilty result on Java.

If WhiteLight is scum:
Java investigates WhiteLight and finds they are something other than a cop
WhiteLight claims a guilty on Java in order to force a 1v1
Result: Java claims guilty result on WhiteLight, WhiteLight claims guilty result on Java.

The two scenarios produce identical results, assuming scum fakeclaim intelligently.

All waiting a day does is eliminate the possibility that both are town, which I think is fairly remote anyway.

HOLY JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST SOME1 GETS IT

the problem will not go away just cos pple too lazy/dumb to figure out which claim is scum.

[pirate mollie]

Yes but do you see mine?
UNVOTE:
If we can find the other scum today we can for sure win tomorrow and on the tiny chance I'm wrong then the next day we will know practically 100%. I likeyou response here, but I stl think we should look elsewhere today and let them figure this out. we are also ignoring the chance they are both town. If they are then by day three we will probably be in 5 man lylo. We don't want that.

dude there is "let them figure it out"

this isn't fucking rocket science it is unlikely that there wld be 2 investigatives in micros game. you have a greater chance of hitting town lynching outside the 2 claimed investigatives. java fucking KNOWS that will flip town that is why he is pushing this whole "ohhhhhh mebbe we are both town".

[pirate mollie]

Shotty trying to play the game with maths doesn't read well to me. Just noise, in my opinion.

Math is just noise? I just worked out all of the scenarios so we know what we are doing. My only point is if we are doing this we better be damn sure about what we are doing.

you did not work out all of the scenarios at all in the least and you are dead wrong on lynching outside of them today ans somehow *magically* hitting their scum partner

jfc

not to mention your scenario does not have the possibility of an indie

[pirate mollie]

1v1'ing potentially two town power roles on D1 is dumb as fuck!

We can allow both of them to use their abilities then report results the next day. If we lynch them and they flip town, we have a result to use and work with. Lynching them on D1 is beyond stupid.

not in a micros you dummy

there are most likely

NOT

going to be

2 INVESTIGATIVES

IN THIS SET UP

THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE COLOUR ORANGE WITH SOME1 WHO ISN"T VISUALLY IMPAIRED

[pirate mollie]

Mollie this tunneling is scummy as fuck.

There is more than one scum. Tell me why Java is scum without using his role that hasn't been CC'ed.

lol

you are scum pure and utter scum

you have no chance to get me lynched but I bet you are either too dumb or scum to have figured out why yet

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[pirate mollie]

Mollie both roles are different.

How are you equating a role cop to a full cop?

don't misrep what I am saying

they are both investigative roles

are you capable of comprehending this

[] yes
[] no

check the appropriate box

[pirate mollie]

Shotty trying to play the game with maths doesn't read well to me. Just noise, in my opinion.

Math is just noise? I just worked out all of the scenarios so we know what we are doing. My only point is if we are doing this we better be damn sure about what we are doing.

you did not work out all of the scenarios at all in the least and you are dead wrong on lynching outside of them today ans somehow *magically* hitting their scum partner

jfc

not to mention your scenario does not have the possibility of an indie

Mollie, lol'ing means nothing to me.

Is that your way of avoiding my question?

PEdit - And one role is SO much weaker than the other. All scum need is a roleblocker and voila - balanced.

nope

and I am not avoiding your questions it is that you are pretending to be incapable of understanding the answers when I give them

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

[pirate mollie]

You definitely avoided my question.

no I didn't

but you are definitely avoiding mine!

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

Why are you ignoring me?

because I think that you are town but not very good. I was bristling that gl called yo a VI cos I thought with your join date you cldn't be but holy fuck.

I feel like it wld only lead to be melting down out of sheer frustration trying to reason with you when you are incapable of having a meaningful well thought out conversation.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, you did.

You also didn't respond to my point about the set up. Let's expand on it - role cop, cop, scum watcher and roleblocker seem balanced to you? Rolecop would essentially become negative utility as he would have no way of identifying if the watcher is scum/town.

I am flat claiming a protective role and by the nature of my role I wld be conftown. and I answered your question by pointing out how the question is predicated on a false premise in the first place.

I bet when you add 2 + 2 you get 5.

[pirate mollie]

You keep banging on about how they're both investigatives without actually evaluating what that means and I know you can so it makes me think you're doing it on purpose.

A role cop is investigative. Sure. But it is not an alignment busting role like a cop is.

mebbe when you add 2 + 2 you get 7? I dunno.

[pirate mollie]

also I am packing and preparing for my trip tomorrow so don't even try this bullshit that I am not answering immediately I even said that I wld be on v/la.

do you know what is scummy as fuck? THAT IS.

[pirate mollie]

I don't know whether Shotty is scum taking advantage of a BBT/Mollie discussion (assuming TvT) or town who thinks he has support to lynch a vocal person he believes is scum.

PEdit - When I add 2 and 2 I get 22.

FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO USE HUMOUR TO WORM YOUR WAY BACK INTO MY HEART!!!

[pirate mollie]

PRs in Radjas Games:
WD E1: Tracker, 1-Shot Cop, 1 Shot Neighborizer
Poke E2: Odd Night Cop, Thundershocker
WD E4: Cop, Double Voted, Doctor
Poke E3/4: BP, Tracker, 1 shot Vig
WD E3: Gunsmith, Watcher, and a neighborhood
WD E2: vig, watcher
Poke E1: 2 cheerleaders, a professor, and an innocent child

Now read those and tell me again that radja wouldn't have a town role cop and a town cop.

p-edit
pick a numer:*
2+4*7 = ?

30

and only in the first game were there 2 investagives.

I mean if you are all for lynching outside of wl/java which is very poor play and objectively dumb the only 1 I might compromise on wld be you so

[pirate mollie]

If Mollie truly is a protective I REALLLLYYYY want to lynch Java.


~Bee

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Javajoe24

now java is at L1

Why are you ignoring me?

because I think that you are town but not very good. I was bristling that gl called yo a VI cos I thought with your join date you cldn't be but holy fuck.

I feel like it wld only lead to be melting down out of sheer frustration trying to reason with you when you are incapable of having a meaningful well thought out conversation.

I already told you, I get your points. In fact you are the one who is reusing to discus my option! You are accusing me of exactly what you are doing!
VOTE: mollie
you are scum

First SS why are yo defending mollie while mollie won't even defend themselves?
Second you said NO here, and said that just because someone disagrees doesn't make them scum, which at face value is correct. However mollie isn't goving me a different view point, in fact that is what I am doing, rather mollie is refusing to even discuss the possibility.

As for me relying to much on math, I am not relying on it. I just think it should be taken into account. Ignoring it and saying "well scum hunting and interactions effects stuff" is like saying the we can't use physics equations to help figure out real world problems because there is wind resistance and differentiating gravity so we may as well just ignore physics all together!

your math deals with hypotheticals that don't even take in account the probabilites vs possibilities factor this is why it is so BAD

did you ever post in the cart thread on my homesite cos I swear you sound like you do with your wind resistance/gravity exploration

[pirate mollie]

The probabilities and possibilities are all I want to talk about! It is only BAD because you won't look into any other possibility other than the one you are dead set on!

okay if you want to discuss probabilities then why are you wanting to lynch outside/not resolve the 2 least likely claimed investigative roles in the game?

java is more than likely scum when you take in consideration of his in thread play which has looked scummy all game and that is why he has had a wagon on him and the fact pple are trying to push a counter lynch through. occam's razor points to resolving the game earlier wrt the 2 rather than just putting it off, which is what YOU seem to want to do.

we are much less likely to hit scum outside of those 2 claims. and if we do not hit scum on d3 we have a greater than average chance of ruling out who is scum and who is not with the removal of 2 questionable variables that can trigger late game paranoia and cost us the game.

beeboy knows exactly what I am talking about we faced this shit in a micros game and town lost because they stuck their head in the sand and refused to want to deal with the us.

if this were a large I wld be right with you but not in a micros. size of the game impacts the effectiveness the decisions that must be made as far as advancing the game. what we want to do is bottleneck scum's late games options, not set up an awning that provides significant shade for them to hide under.

am I starting to make sense to you now? I am starting to just feel like you are being stubborn atp.

[pirate mollie]

Scum is on my wagon for sure, therefore

VOTE: maverick

Would vote Mollie but she has soft claimed protective and I think lynching a PR day 1 is a bad idea.

Fine but if you and WL turn out to both be town tonight we go after mollie tomorrow.
VOTE: mav

really

jfc

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Java

someday I will be able to figure you out

u can't hide from me forever

[pirate mollie]

I don't think maverick is scum

[pirate mollie]

This is very to how he played in the newbie game that I was in where he was town and I misread him.

Sorry still v/la I just have a teeny bit of down time, the other tribe is in TC

[pirate mollie]

If either of you is scum, then congratulations on making this look TvT. Because it does :/

This post is like 50 shades of gross.

Mav is town. How does that affect your world purview of your understanding of the game state?

[pirate mollie]

I'm hoping he is scum, and yes I do have a scum read on him for the most part, but I do not see the benefit in not waiting until tomorrow to find out for sure.

Because you claiming that you have a role PM that's says you have to lynch scum yet not voting said scum read unless to avoid a no lynch looks pretty sketch and you are not making your motivations clear and I straight up calling you out on it.

You seem to be throwing up a smokescreen using math and the most interesting thing about your exchange is how as is saying you look town from using meta.

The exchange makes mav look fantastically town but I fail to see how it makes shotty town cos I don't think so.

What looks weird is that it looks like he is having to take the time to work up a reason to support his reads instead of it happening naturally. Like wanting to lynch anything that is not you while accusing mav of lining up lynches is literally the definition of sidelining lining up lynches you just are being much less transparent about it than mav is.

What do you think about that

I am perfectly willing to vote you if you are volunteering to self vote

[pirate mollie]

I am a little unclear here and posting.

[pirate mollie]

Phone posting

[pirate mollie]

S_S lost a few townie points there - I find myself agreeing with GL that he's being hypocritical and this certainly warrants further attention post-flip.

V/LA until Wednesday morning - camping for a night in the Lake District and then working as soon as I return. Phoneposts at best, if day restarts whilst I'm away.

I have often found in my experience that hypocrisy is a very strong town tell. can you plz tell me where he was being hypocritical tho?

I have mav, ss and wl as town I think.

@ shotty

can you walk me through as to why you feel okay enough to hammer now as opposed to earlier in the game when it wld have worked more in town's best interest to do so at the time? your stalling on that and your insistence that we lynch outside of the 2 claimed investigative roles makes little to no sense to me.

smart your fixation on me is really scummy at this point. First I'm scum with java, now I'm scum if java is town. Like what

I have seen you do very little in the past half week other than talk about how scummy I am while agreeing that java needs to be lynched. If java flips town then that last post is rotating for a second ML

Unfortunately it looks like I might be lynched if java flips scum here, and I can see why townies would think that despite the fact that I'm town, but I will absolutely not stand for suggesting that I should be lynched if java flips town.

You want to talk weakly justified town reads, let's talk your original town read on WL for posting meaningless fluff, and your subsequent scumread->townread again progression

if java flips scum I think this post is super duper interesting.

[pirate mollie]

@ Mollie, we were at deadline and I'm limited, it's a simple as that. I didn't want a NL.

okay

can you explain what you think about your alignment positions on the other players based on a java flip?

I wld really love to see a town!java positional thinking and a scum!java flip based on how the flip wld impact your way of navigating the game. I wld really love to know how you wld plan to move forward based on a scenario for either flip.

[pirate mollie]

java if you are truly town are there any other reads that you care to cough up?

[pirate mollie]

Why is Mollie alive... >_>
That really strikes me as odd.

~Bee

usually it means that I am townreading some1 that I shldn't be.

I body-guarded mav last night. I started off body-guarding wl but after I reread the day I didn't feel good about it so I switched to my top townread.

I find it strange that I have suspicion about my role when there is not even a hint at a cc-ing protective role. are we really going to go with 2 investigatives and 2 protectives in a micros

I want to hear from guilty and ss

[pirate mollie]

Did you just role fish?

if I was role-fishing then I role fished on d1 when I flat out stated that I was a protective role.

@ ss - I do wanna hear from mav. but I have him sorted while I can't say the same for you with any surety. I had the town feels on you on d1 but bbt was a weird nk, I wld have expected you to go before him if you were town.

and I am defo not liking shotty but ffs, shotty, you, wl, guilty cannot all be scum. so rn I am trying to ascertain as to if wl is telling the truth or not and I am doing that by looking at you.

I am not a linear type of player

[pirate mollie]

Why would you BG Mav? There was next to no chance of him being attacked

because I thought that scum might make a weird nk if wl was indeed a cop in order to get wl lynched today so I changed it from wl to mav, who was my strongest townread. I think scum were trying to push a mislynch on him in the previous day round.

we got zero reads from java and not much from wl when it was clear the day was ending. shotty can't reason his way out of a dixie cup if he is town, scum nked the most interesting person in this game and now I am stuck with "OMG WHY IS MOLLIE STILL ALIVE" on d2.

I sort of kind of don't care what you pple do. if you are town give me a reason to care cake boy.

[pirate mollie]

Also @mollie I hate to self-meta but it's the truth: I never get NK'd. The only time I've ever been NK'd was when I replaced into an obvtown slot on D3 of a newbie when the other two townies were obviously going to crossvote.

see what is baking my noodle with this response is why are you not asking me why I protected mav over you

I mean there is an obvs answer but that is where my mind wld go if I were in your shoes

[pirate mollie]

"Personally, I am looking at a Guilty/Shotty scum team. Shotty started pinging me all the wrong ways when he busted out the math. It started sending up red flags for me. Then the new day starts and he is going to lynch outside of the cop guilty, for a mostly undisclosed reason."

~Suzune

if he pinged you that hard then why did you not view him instead of guilty?

[pirate mollie]

it makes sense to me. cops usually check their nullish reads over their scum reads, right?

can you plz not answer questions for other pple when I ask them?

guapo's law and all that. thank you

[pirate mollie]

I know I shouldn't have but it was really irritating me
sorry qq

why is it irritating you?

[pirate mollie]

Because it was a question that had a really obvious answer
And I also wanted to post something but I didn't see anything to respond to

the answer wasn't obvs to me. if I have an investigative I either use it to clear a strong player that I think wld be good for town or I use it on scumread that I think will be really hard to get lynched.

pple's reasons for why they use their investigative varies and I was looking for insight as to how both players think/process/apply the information that they receive. I usually file away these insights and pull them out for when I want to get a read on a player for future games. I take the longview approach.

eta: kk, ty bee, can you point me to the posts where you were sus of gl?
eta: hi guilty! lets talk

[pirate mollie]

also gl I don't think its obvs that you are town!

but what is bugging me is that I am bodyguard and a role cop wld confirm my alignment since a bodyguard is a town role.

[pirate mollie]

There was a setup with a Gunsmith, Watcher, and 3x town neighborhood (this is incredibly pro town as there is information going around the scum can't see)
A loved and hated townie. Arguably given the gunsmith and watcher the hated was conf town as giving scum negative utility after all that is pretty crazy.

~Bee

was this a micros game that radja modded?

[pirate mollie]

okay

I will lynch guilty but I wanna hear from mav first

[pirate mollie]

who am I kidding I think it is guilty and shotty too lol

VOTE: guilty lion

[pirate mollie]

see this is why we should have let them check each other and lynched elsewhere yesterday! Now we have no way of anyone backing up anyone else's story, we have two dead town and we are looking at probably a 50/50 shot at lylo tomorrow. We are between a rock and a hard place here. Also why is math scummy, I'm still now getting this. I am, to a large extent, a mathematician. I tutor calculus, and right programming algorithms, my first thought usually is math, btw math helps a lot with games and possible role especially if you assume EV between at least 40/60 to 60/40. I'm not saying it is sure fire but most mods want balance, and math helps us draw lines to be able to fill in the sketch.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

Also I shouldn't have to explain how voting outside the cop and the cop guilty is incredibly scummy play. Like Mollie spent all of yesterday explaining how quickly you can lose a game by waiting to sort stuff like that.

~Bee

^this

[pirate mollie]

like it is so freaking obvs that shotty is scum rn it isn't funny

hey shotty why not just announce that you are scum and be done with it already

eta: yep!

[pirate mollie]

good lord we are lynching gl

[pirate mollie]

if anybody believes either gl's or shotty's shitty claims I am flipping tables

[pirate mollie]

guys guys this really ought to be a no brainer.

good pgo play claims their role in their first post so that the town speshuls don't accidentally hit them. shotty did none of that nor did he even hint as such. wl has a guilty on gl, I mean like really, I don't believe the tracker claim in the slightest cos otherwise he wld have indignantly shrieked that he was a town tracker the second that wl claimed a guilty on him. his claim is for the most part post mortem and looks like he only thought to claim tracker after he thought about it.

scum role pm>>>>scum motivation>>>>scum posts

this isn't hard

[pirate mollie]

I doubt he is a scum pgo I think it likely he is a goon and gl is a scum tracker

[pirate mollie]

I doubt he is a scum pgo I think it likely he is a goon and gl is a scum tracker

Then why wouldn't I claim VT? I've already given motivation for my actions and they explain my behavior yesterday and today. believe me and listen to reason.

/wifom

[pirate mollie]

I doubt he is a scum pgo I think it likely he is a goon and gl is a scum tracker

Then why wouldn't I claim VT? I've already given motivation for my actions and they explain my behavior yesterday and today. believe me and listen to reason.

/wifom

No you started the WIFOM, I just gave an alternate explanation to your "theory". My point is that I'm not going to sit here and fill the thread with WIFOM, I've given my role and reasons, there is nothing more I can do that will benefit town.

in your iso your play does not support a town player with a PGO role POV

you are the 1 who is using wifom to explain why it does.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie you pushed fairly well on WL yesterday in the 1v1, what makes you now think they're town?

I pushed wl intil I believed that they were town YESTERDAY. I said, out of the 2 claims I believed wl's the most. I was never the 1 pushing that if java flipped town that we shld auto lynch wl; that was shotty not wanting to resolve either claim when it made sense to do so at the time.

look at how gl came into the thread with a guilty on his head. if you are town power role and some1 claims a guilty on you, how do you act? you know you are town and you are fighting furiously for your life and the game and to lynch the person you want lynched and claim IMMEDIATELY not mention, yanno, claim your result.

guilty did neither of those things. it looked like he only thought to claim later.

there are some things that give me pause. I guess I can see wl being a lyncher on guilty then that wld speak to the play. hhmmm

but even then it does not explain ggl's poor reaction, the claim looks like something he thought up later not a town role that he had. I cld see his reaction being a scum tracker tho.

what are your other thoughts?

[pirate mollie]

I think Shotty is actually PGO since it would balance out the three town PRS (assuming WL and Mollie are legit, and I do).

then are you saying that you think shotty is town?

cos I am not buying it.

[pirate mollie]

Now that I revealed my alt in that game, I can say that I reread SirCakez and he's playing very similarly to his scumgame in Cocktail party and very different from his towngame in Basic UPick and White Flag.

Yet... I'm not sure if he would bus GL that hard...
Right now I think if GL flips scum we almost definitely win by lynching in <shotty, Cakez>.

If GL flips town then it will probably lead to a 1v1 in LYLO between shotty and Cakez with me or Mav as the deciding vote.

I'd be okay with a hammer because I find that scenario less likely and there's no need to think about it now.

wait

wut

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

why wld it be a 1v1 between shotty and cake boy w/ you and mav as deciding vote?

I mean...what happened to wl?

[pirate mollie]

Well if GL flips town, then obviously we lynch WL tomorrow. As a bodyguard, you will likely die, and odds are the other death will be one of me or Mav.

how wld there be "another death"?

[pirate mollie]

I reread his posts and realized he was playing his scumgame.

I also got the idea that maybe shotty was a jester. Walking Dead games usually include some non-Normal role, and in any event shotty probably has it.

so why wld you go with jester over wl being a lyncher on guilty?

[pirate mollie]

I still say that gl's and shotty's claims look made up

[pirate mollie]

so why are you making up indie roles to justify his play why can't he be just scum?

[pirate mollie]

There's nothing preventing you from making final reads?
Radja isn't usually on until late anyway.

^ this

[pirate mollie]

are you a lyncher on gl, wl

[pirate mollie]

I am a lyncher survivor with a confirmed guilty

~Bee

IT WAS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND NOW HUSH

[pirate mollie]

*taps fingers*

[pirate mollie]

Yes his post-hammer posting looks like scum trolling to me. If he had actually given final reads and such then I might have expected a town flip.

I STAND WITH CAKE BOY

[pirate mollie]

Way to be pedantic, shotty.

[pirate mollie]

oh no I'm not! If cakez is basing his read on GL and others because he

I take reactions post hammer fairly seriously

Then it's not a minute detail. It is something I would like precedent on.

why

[pirate mollie]

I think you are reaching

it looks like you are trying to make something out of nothing. you are not going to lynch cake boy while I am alive in this game.

[pirate mollie]

I pmed radja that we have already been waiting for 2 days but I guess we will have to wait longer

[pirate mollie]

uhm

since when have jesters been allowed to self-vote?

[pirate mollie]

I win if I'm lynched. Who ever hammers me is BP tonight. I hammered myself to fuck town.

pretty sure you are lying

jesters can't self hammer and usually cannot self-vote. its part of the role.

and I don't see how you can get the bp by self-hammering.

you have a cple of choices here. you can come clean or risk pissing off a lot of pple which will limit your games.

[pirate mollie]

yeah no

I am waiting to talk to any1 but you

[pirate mollie]

Well it's twilight so either you think it's GG and I'm scum or you are just but hurt that scum will probably win this and you are an overly aggressive tunneling fool.

why wld scum win?

like I think there is a chance that you are an incompetent jester who really does not understand their role.

or you are scum who self-hammered.

so we will see!

[pirate mollie]

I've never seen Jester that couldn't self hammer....
Mollie what's your claim again?

how about you show me a game where a jester was allowed to self hammer on this site?

and I already claimed bg with zero cc on a protective role.

are you srsly going to go there?

[pirate mollie]

In one of Netherspites Semi Open Role Madness games, Spiffeh the Jester self hammered.
I think you're town, I just forgot your claim lol

do you have a link?

Ithink I have played roughly 3 or 4 of nether's games and I don't remember anything like that happening. I guess I wld like to see the playerlist and to see who reviewed it cos it seems like there wld have been discussion around it if more experienced players participated in it.

[pirate mollie]

I don't think it matters whether or not shotty can selfhammer. If he is in fact not lynched we just lynch Cakez.
Otherwise we lynch Cakez tomorrow.

uhm

it does matter

at least to me. if you yourself don't find any value in it then plz don't interfere with my efforts.

ty

[pirate mollie]

here is a question for you ss: what do you think is going on in the game rn?

also did every1 claim flavour?

[pirate mollie]

Here's the link Mollie: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7286630

thanks cake boy, I iso-ed ank and heartless then anti cos I wanted to see what was up and it was pretty entertaining!

the set up was not reviewed, nether came from offsite and anti was killed before spiffy was lynched and I didn't read the zombie pt. but from the sound of it, anti had bigger butt hurt he wanted to get off his chest

poor anti <3 <3 <3

so that explains that. I can now understand why you think that shotty may have actually self-hammered, since that is your experience with jesters. usually they aren't but it simply depends on what radja does and how handles the role. man, the 1 time if I cld have self-hammered as jester I wld have and won but unfortunately every1 followed my scumread...who flipped scum. then I was nked lololololol.

I am the worst at jestering. and playing lynchers with a guilty on scum, apparently.

so can you tell me what you think is going on in the game?

[pirate mollie]

I'm also used to a form of Jester offsite where there was no restriction on self hammering so there's that too

Right now I think Shotty is probably telling the truth about being Jester, since I don't see the last scum self hammering, and I think both WL and you are legit so that leads me to SS being scum along with what I said about him earlier.

kk

I know we have had an influx of offsite players in the past cple of years who use the roles differently and have different ideas about set up spec. a jester wld make sense with a role cop in play which brings me to my next question: why do you think that wl and I are both still alive?

will you plz talk this out with me?

personally I wld love it if shotty were scum, he wld have my vote for most enjoyable player. cos trolling like that wld be awsum. if he is a jester then I think it is a douchey move to try to dick over town "just because" but mebbe its cos he likes playing scum and decided to align himself with scum. thing is, that attitude is why indies are policy lynched and why it is so swingy to have indies in a micro but *shrug*. II won't have much respect if he is indie.

but that question is self-resolving. I wld like to talk out why are wl and I both alive.

@ ss - did you ever get around to meta-ing me? also who is your alt?

[pirate mollie]

@mollie:
what I think is going on in the game: shotty is jester who can (and did) selfhammer and Cakez is scum.
I never meta'd you because your claim makes perfect sense in the setup so I strongly believe you to be town.
My alt is Vox Dei, I only played in one game with it, but that game is important because it's my only scum meta of SirCakez.

same question to you: why do you think that wl and I are alive?

[pirate mollie]

Why you two are alive, I have no clue
WIFOM probably

this is your life and the game you are fighting for, you are going to have to give me more than that plz

[pirate mollie]

yaye!

thanks for the game radja!!! <3

shotty your twilight trolling was the best!!! <3

I hate that we won by follow the cop but wl really tanked it in this game.

[pirate mollie]

I KEPT TRYING TO GET SCUM TO NK ME NORMALLY THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM LOLOLOLOLOL

ty guys for a good game

[pirate mollie]

lol bbt

@ java

I thought you were town when we lynched you but tbh I did not trust you to be an effective player and was worried that you wld do more harm than good.

gl that was your free pass for mislynching you prior!

[pirate mollie]

Subject: Micro 615: The Walking Dead Episode 5: Braindead

I hate the fact that I'm so easy to townread it really kinda doesn't help my game when I can't do anything with it

mav, can you explain this 1 to me?